The horrifying tale of Alfred Packer: Colorado's Cannibal
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- April 1874. Present day Colorado. A half-starved weather-beaten Alfred Packer came limping into the Los Pinos Indian Agency seeking refuge. Feet covered in rags he claimed he had a harrowing story to tell.
The man was ushered in and given food which he vomited up almost as soon as he got it down. Too long without he explained, asking instead for whiskey. Anything that would calm his stomach and hopefully his trembling hands.
Finally, Alfred spoke. Said he had been a guide up in the mountains for some prospectors. They hit some bad weather and worse luck. He himself got snow-blinded and the other five would-be miners abandoned him.
For the next two months this survivor somehow scrapped by - living by his wits, surviving the hellish winter, and making it to civilization all on his own, with almost no supplies.
An amazing tale of endurance, for sure. There’s just one catch - Alfred Packer didn’t seem all that malnourished. Matter of fact, the man seemed pretty well fed. And his story? Well, it had holes.
Who was Alfred Packer? Was he truly guilty of the crimes that would see him spend nearly two decades behind bars? And what’s human flesh taste like, anyway?
Pass the chianti and crack open the fava beans as we delve into the life and times of the Colorado Cannibal, Alfred Packer. #wildwest #history #western
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I am an old cop, who worked as a gunsmith on the side. I can assure you there was indeed a single shot "revolver" it was built as a target pistol by Colt in the early 1900's. The cylinder was not round as most, but pretty much flat with the frame, it would "revolve" to insert the round then go back into battery for the single shot at the target. It was a slick looking unit based on the Bisley frame and was said to be a tack driver by those who invested in one for their target shooting. Where there needed to be a fairly good gap for the cylinder on a revolver, this unit had a very tight fit to insure better velocity of the round and the flat piece where the cylinder would have been was very solid in comparison to the revolver version of the firearm.
So?
It's called a colt camp perry
Are you sure you're not referring to the Ruger Hawkeye?
Colt Camp Perry. I've seen them covered on Forgotten Weapons
I enjoy all your story telling .You just tell it like it is don’t stop.
Thanks
I love the way you present " history stories "
This guy's good. 🎯🍻🐎❤
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Welcome aboard, Joe!
Fantastic episode. Really well told and presented. You mentioned Cannibal. I'll raise with Ravenous.
He sure looks like Charles Manson in this photo. Really enjoy your style of story telling LOL. Great job!
You truly do have the best Wild West channel on RUclips! You have proved the average working man can produce better content than many who have a PhD’s! God bless you, and keep up the good work!
Thanks man!
You are very welcome. Thank you for your informative passion for our great history, and the great comedic aspect of your presentation style.
I couldn't agree more!
Josh is very entertaining and informative!
Hey man, I've subscribed and I've been listening to multiple of your videos.. love them.. I was gonna tell you about cannibal the musical but you just mentioned it lol.. I've been laughing this whole video and my wife thinks I'm deranged now lol.. I just wanted to make sure you knew the movie existed.. great stuff.. keep it up 👍
Lake city Colorado (which is right by lake Sancristoball on the Gunnison) has a pizza place called "Packers" where you can have "The Packer special" made with "Al's 5 favorite kinds of meat."
Yeah I kinda lost my appetite a little when I saw that on the menu.
man meat :(((
I'll have to stop by sometime.
This gave me information I haven’t heard yet. Like the waiter story. Peak historical content 👌
I believe he found himself in a rough situation and decided to hunt his fellow man. I believe he killed more than Bell, based on what you've mentioned of his past behavior. Seems consistent with his pattern of sociopathic thinking. I further believe that he continued to insist on his semi-innocence because he couldn't even acknowledge to himself the horror of what he had done, and of what he really was, deep in the quick of him. You may indeed be right that he killed one of them only, but I would not excuse him due to insanity. He was capable of rational thought and attempted to conceal his crime(s). Sociopathy isn't the kind of insanity that excuses a crime, especially a crime like this.
What s a Come to Jesus movement?Important or subject of ridicule&foolish allegory?
Strange,Alfred bornnear Pittsburgh&same city the serial kidnapper of girls lived years before being caught.
Ooooh! Ooooh! New episode! Thank you 😄
Ok, now I've eaten my dinner I can watch this episode lol
Thanks so much for this episode Josh…I’ve been waiting for it.
You did a fantastic job as usual.
Goddamn, I love your channel!
Cheers Josh. 🇨🇦
Your channel is really great. No idea why you don’t get more views. I’m sure you’ll get some traction soon
Thank you
At least the tattooist didn't misspell his last name as "Pecker". You do know there is a diner on the UC campus at Boulder named The Alfred Packer Grill. I ate there a few times during my last sojourn across the country in the '70's but found nothing unusual about the food.
There was a Federal building that named their cafeteria after him as well. That is until it was found out what his “claim to fame” was.
It was renamed shortly thereafter.
I mentioned this in a previous thread were I encouraged a story about this and somebody called BS. I sure hope that he reads this.
Cheers. 🇨🇦
Looks like it wasn’t such a Schpadoinkle Day for Alfred in real life lol
Nice Hat!
At least you can name your snowman bob...
You looking at my eye??????
Extremely well done. Thank you Josh.
I was laughing my ass off when you started talking about not liking the cold as you get older. I split my time between CA and my house in Colorado Springs. When I was in CO this past Nov - Jan, I was freezing my ass off. And I am a guy who spent 2 and half years in Korea (it gets very cold there!) but ...I was much (much) younger. Great episode!
R David I'm a California native too, spending most of my time either in Marysville, Roseville, or the Bay Area. I was with the 1/9th Inf at Camp Greaves back in 79-80, and our DMZ mission was from November to the end of February, so I spent quite a few nights either on the south barrier fence, or at GP's Collier & Oullette freezing my nuggets off. Brother it was COLD !
You ever work in -55?
Love the way you tell your podcasts the wacky banter proper entertaining . Stories never heard before there well good Love to buy you a coffee anytime your in London 😜
Damn I can’t get enough of these stories, thanks cowpoke
Your videos are awesome, I really enjoy yoru style of story telling with a bit of comedy sprinkled in. Keep it up man and thanks for the great content!
Thank you
Dude, you're hilarious... if it ever comes up, I owe you a beer for the chuckles... good story telling.
Love your content brother been tuned in for a long while now keep ‘em coming
Thanks man
Just watched this for the second time. Great video. But if you were a motorcycle rider from Louisiana you’d love Arkansas just like I do. Thanks for the great work
Definitely the best guy I've heard in a long while. Here, have a sub.
Thanks! Welcome aboard!
Excellent episode as always.
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These tales of the Wild West need to be kept alive in the same way the Native Americans pass down their history by word alone. The Wild West forged America in the way the Victorians of old London forged my birth country.
But Americana and America are truly free. A free equalled in it's beauty with it's violence.
freedom is an illusion brother .
Greetings from Louisiana, my friend!
As a Minnesotan who sounds like a rural Norwegian, that comment hit home.
Lol Norway in the house who also love this channel and he s style and awesome humor Greetings CZ 75 Shadow ✌🏻🇧🇻
Love these stories! Great narration. Jus so you know arkansas is pretty awesome.. lol thank you for these stories keep me entertained at work all day
Like the history, insights, points and opinions. One of the top channels around.
Thank you
Mad to think that this man would of been within living memory for my great grandmother who I used to visit before she died when I was young.
Crazy huh?
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Great upload thank you for sharing
Thank you for listening
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Hell yeah
Worth the wait. Gracias amigo.
I love the lengthy tangent on the legality of cannibalism. Also just a couple years ago a Grand Junction Colorado funeral home was busted for illegally selling the bodies without consent of the families.
That's crazy
I happened on to an article about that. Freaky. Funeral homes are corrupt. Big business. I lived in GJ, for a spell.
Imagine the types of people looking to buy body parts…. Why? For what? It is not a bag of weed or something simple to find on the black market. Lol where would you even meet someone that has the in for body parts. Creepy as hell.
I recall the guys from South Park making a musical about this very topic...
Cannibal!
I found this to be amazing I am from Utah and my family has worked at the Bingham mine since the early 1800
Considering the mormans didn't get to ut till 1847 and gold at Bingham was discovered by solgers that had invaded utah in 1858 and maybe mid 1870s before large scale mining took place.
@@jeffbybee5207 well I maybe off on my time line but my family name checks out to almost the beginning of the Bingham Mine
Great episode!
Josh,tough subject nice delivery.the restaurant 11 bang bang mentions is called Packers Saloon & Cannibal Grill .
I love your channel ma man. I’m working just outside Inverness. When I finish on a Friday and make the 210 mile drive back to Glasgow I put on the channel and listen away. I enjoy the puns and don’t give a f**k about the cussin as every second work you hear in Glasgow is a profanity of some sort. All the best sir 🇬🇧🇺🇸
Good ole Scotland!
Whereabouts in Ireland were your family from?
That guy doesn't deserve sympathy. He lured those men to their deaths.
There is a movie loosely based on this story called Ravenous and it's pretty good.
Packer was a great man who set new standards in the culinary arts.
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Same
I'm 40 years old and my parents would say this when I was a kid. I don't remember if they ever gave it to us but I know I've heard both my parents say they use to be give Castor oil on many of occasions
Union troops occupied Nashville shortly after the battles of Fort Henry and Fort Donelson in February of 1862 and held it until the end of the war. There were several Federal forts that ringed the city.
Thanks!
Lake City is really cool to visit! You should really try to go there sometime! I went in the summer, and it gets a little cold at night, but it’s not terrible at all. The courthouse in Lake City that he was tried in is still in operation. And it’s also featured in Cannibal the Musical, by Trey Parker. And don’t forget to get a *bite* at the Cannibal Grill! 😂 There is some beautiful scenery there as well, Lake San Cristobal is a gorgeous area. ❤
Castor Oil... My Grandpa used to say if you ain't hungry after a day's work you must be sick so a dose of Castor Oil will fix you right up..
Trust me... my appetite greatly improved from then on no matter how hungry I wasn't!!
I bet!
I can't look in his eyes, he has the most terrifying eyes I've ever seen
Getting old isn't for wempt. I lived in Dillon Colo. Last year I lived there, woke up on the 4th of July with 4 in of snow on the ground. Dillon is about 10 miles across lake Dillon from Breckinridge at about 9600 ft elevation.
Never seen such a clear photo of Alfred Packer before. I’ve seen this photo before, but never this large and clear and fresh looking.
He looks a tad like Manson - and I find that creepy and disturbing.
Just saying is all.
I do believe the reason why the judge would reapeat hung until dead three times is that the hangman had three chances to try to hang a prisoner. There is a story in Canada of a prisoner who was sentenced to hang. The first try the trap door wouldn't open. They removed him and tested the trap door and it worked. They tried again and the trap door wouldn't open. Again they teated it and it worked. On the third try, no surprise, the trap door didn't open and the prisoner was consequently released.
This was awesome
Lots of civil war action in TN
Nashville fell easily after battle of Franklin Nov 1 1864
John Bell Hood was decommissioned shortly there after
There s also a temporal lobe type epilepsy &migraine combined where they can have see bright lights as your friend had,or called an aura.
I hope you wont confuse the word cavalry with a more solemn word,cavalry where your Saviour &mine died for a debt He didnt owe.
Dont confuse those please.
DrBob😊
Our line of thinking is the same concerning waitstaff and so forth. The easy I look at it they are doing something I couldn’t/ wouldn’t do myself so for that alone they deserve my courtesy.
HUNGER. Interesting there is modern song called "Cannaba" lol. Gots to be hard rock.
We had a butcher here back in the 30's who killed his wife and the tinker who he found her in bed with. He butchered both and ground them up mixing their flesh with pork and sold the meat in town as sausage. It was discovered when a lady was eating the sausage and found a long fingernail from the woman in her sausage patty. Those who had the sausage said it was good sausage so I guess it does sort of taste like pork.
Yikes
Tha is the same story in evert town
By the way, Harmann from my home town of Hannover disposed all his victims in our river Leine. It was never explicitely proven he made human flesh sausages, it was just said they were secured "just to be sure...". It was never said he also ate his victims.
Thanks for your awesome Channel, Josh, highly appreciated. It doesn't get more american than this!!!
Alifred is most upstanding morman there ever lived
When u got to the pt of Alfreds death I was left hanging - i really thought u were going to say Alfred packed up and moved to the spirit realm or something like that. My theory is that after gettin 'leaded' 2 many times, his boozing and brawling not helping either - all this led to a thunderstorm in his mind the very worst case for someone w epilepsy as a result of the poor conditions - this along with the poor choices made leading to starvation would have caused the storms of electrical charge to dampen his grip fog his focus and loose control of the tenuous hold on his sanity he had left - thats his state of mind which was probably playing tricks on him w audio if not visual hallucinations and a paranoid fear that he must get the others before they get him - wasnt too hard on him bc AP had enough of these pansies crap talking down on him, bustin his chops, shunning him etc - the perferct storm of crae
Ravenous is a bad a$$ movie, it doesn't have to be completely "historically accurate" to be bad a$$ lol
Thanks again.
First time I heard of Alfred Packer was a dedication to him by Cannibal Corpse on Butchered at Birth album...
I remember that band from i was a youth but that i dont remember cool✌🏻
They say “until you are dead, dead, DEAD so you can tell the judge to “go to hell, hell, HELL”
At least his first name wasn’t Fudge.
Good job 👍 u hilarious and good content👀
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*gift list, not gift account
I have affiliate links with Amazon. If you click on the link in the show notes that says "book recommendations" or the "store" button on my website.
Hell yeah! Here we GO!
I wonder if he was hungry when they took the picture 🤔
Lol
Funny😂! Really😊.
Brother I wish I knew you personally., Saying nothing freeky just saying..
Your a HOOT.
The movie "Ravenous" is based on Packer.
Another fine episode good sir. I'll have to say people who treat others like crap to either make themselves feel better, or cause they think they got more junk are empty vessels. Now, how is the ever living f**k is cannibalism not illegal?
"A whiskey, sir?" Cheers.
Yeah, Packer took the entirely wrong route if he was heading near Breck. Just follow the damn Colorado(Grand) River. He went entirely way too far south.
Did you ever watch ravenous yet? Im epileptic. Sucks ass just started out of nowhere at 38 years old. Have a seizure once a month ish. Cant drive my truck anymore which pisses me off. Chewing ur tonge to shreds sucks but its a good workout.
That does suck! I'm sorry to hear that.
@@WildWestExtravaganza shit happens
I'd assume, if he really had seizures that often, the CO's saw it before they could put him in the fight. He most likely never saw actual combat.
I am directly related to him By his younger brother and I love telling people about him
Yeah Packer was strictly self serve. No obnoxious waiters necessary.
Colonel Douglas learned his trade from riding with The Wild Fruits, hence the nickname 'Camp Douglas'.
A term of affection.
It must have been so easy back in the 19th century to just change your name and be never found. Not like they had ID and Social Security Numbers.
Exactly
I don't know if this is true or not but back when I was in law school another student asked that question & professor said back then the stated that if the hung you and you didn't they had 3 tries to get it right josh if you find out that is wrong please let me know by replying here
I live a couple blocks from Littleton cemetery, I go past his grave (and everyone elses' in there) all the time.
I’m curious if there’s any information on the way the men where killed I think it might help paint a better picture of what happened if they all had Blows to the head and a shot to bell it’s hard to believe you could kill all the men up close like that without being over powered
Packer the wacker,.
.too damn funny
Liked and shared!👍✌😎
Ruger Hawkeye is a single shot revolver chambered in .256 magnum.
Never been that hungry
“Salt lake soaker” “Mormon marinaters” 😭😭😭😭
Good stuff
To be a fine talker helps when you're a cannibal i presume..
Silence of the lambs
Calvary it reads, not cavalry,also called Golgotha outside Jerusalem
I know, i just can't say it right
You ever seen the movie ravenous?
I don't think I have
@@WildWestExtravaganza you should watch it
Sounds like you and the judge have a lot in common! You like to hear your own voice and go on aimlessly
I'm sorry that you're going through whatever you're going through
it's like Pringles once you pop
Ravenous. Good one beaver
How about the burro gang pretty bad ass story not well known
Never heard of them
@@WildWestExtravaganza yeah not well known i forget leaders name end of the 19th century might spelled it wrong. Look into them . U will be interested ✌
Fun fact.... the Colorado University cafeteria is named after him.... for real
I wonder if any of these doll houses still exist. How much could I sell it for? 🤔
He looks like a Bushwacker from the 1860’s! 😮
My best friend this is his great relative on his dads side boone helm read the newpaper at there family reunion and on his moms side his great grandfather was war eagle that made souix city iowa theres a statue thats his grave over souix city iowa highway just look up war eagle statue