Burbank, Long Beach, & John Wayne | Los Angeles Airports - Part Two
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- A comprehensive look at current and future plans for Burbank, Long Beach, & John Wayne airports, along with speculation on potential future transit connections. Part two of three in a series on LA airports.
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0:00 Intro
0:22 Burbank Airport
3:06 Burbank Airport Transit
7:46 High Speed Rail and its Effect on Airports
11:40 Long Beach Airport
14:33 Long Beach Transit
16:30 John Wayne Airport / El Toro Airport
19:02 John Wayne Airport Transit
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I am here for OCTA slander. Somehow they manage to be worse than VTA and get absolutely no shit.
Buses in OC run empty. Better off giving uber credits
@@joeyscleaninglady2877they run empty because their service is abysmal. Their service is abysmal because their buses run empty. It’s a rather vicious cycle.
I drove down Beach Blvd and it has a posted speed limit of 50 mph! I don't think any street in LA County has a street with that speed limit. If it wasn't for the occasional traffic light, it felt like a freeway because everyone was driving 60+.
I could clearly envision a light rail line in the median of this wide street and it could be a very popular line. Orange County has many wide streets where light rail trains could work really well.
@@mrxman581 Beach, also known as SR39? Couldn’t imagine why a state route feels like a highway.
It's a shame too, because the entire Northern half of Orange County (and even Irvine) has higher densities than Chula Vista--yet Chula Vista gets far better frequency and ridership.
If Burbank Airport is leaning into the "Hollywood" theme in both its name & design philosophy, the B Line extension isn't so far-fetched. Not because of connecting the airport to downtown, but for connecting the airport to Hollywood.
It would get a more direct Hollywood connection with a K line extension into the valley.
@@pinhead35but the subway would be the faster travel option. The fact it doesn’t reach Burbank Airport is a huge missed opportunity, hopefully one that’ll be resolved in the not too distant future.
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@@ChrisJones-gx7fc routing the K would technically be the more direct “subway” option as a K subway would have comparable travel times to that of the B line. The B line has loads of latent demand in the valley that would be entirely missed by a Burbank Airport extension.
@@pinhead35 if it’s a subway, yeah.
Definitely looking forward to the OCTA video. I've been living in OC for a few years and I can tell you that in OC, no car = no legs. For countless times I thought: Ah! if only there were actually usable transits to Metrolink stations or SNA.
I recently looked into taking transit via Metrolink for work. I'd need an e-bike to make the connection to departure and from arrival station, and going to the departure station involves crossing a highway interchange where the bike lane disappears into a little yellow "share the road" sign on a 45mph road. Fun stuff! At least the timetable for Metrolink isn't that horrendous as I remembered (at least for commuting), but indeed it is impossible to get around in OC without a car unless you are very, very determined. I take it says something that Chicago felt like a transit heaven to me when I visited.
I live in the UK but have been to LA 3 times on vacation. I enjoy watching these airport and transit videos. I hope to go again for the Olympics in 2028
Ah Long Beach. As someone who lives between LAX and Long Beach, the Long Beach one really is the "I don't want to deal with LAX today" airport. Flying to Sacramento is the most common usage from people I know, and it will take the biggest hit once LAX is well connected. I really see them losing ridership once the People Mover and Metro lines open at LAX, and they really need something more in order to survive.
If Long Beach can get preclearance and fly to Canada/Mexico/Bahamas that could help. I really don’t know though a friend of mine flew with JetBlue back then but yeah that doesn’t exist.
Maybe they could try and make it the “executive airport” like in Rush Hour but that’s probably me joking around.
SMF is the third most common destination from LGB, behind LAS and PHX and barely ahead of OAK. (If OAK and SJC were counted as a single destination, they'd be #1 by far.) I think LGB will continue to do fine with these flights.
LGB is a great little airport! When I lived in the area, I became so spoiled. It could be marketed as the southern LA alternative to coping w LAX traffic.
Same, if I want to fly somewhere in the western us , I always favor Long Beach
@@zakkaryzoah1386it’s great for people in OC to fly to places not directly served by flights out of John Wayne, including Hawaii.
I went to undergrad at Chapman University and seeing it mentioned in the OC rail part got to me. I came from out of state, and was told it’s well connected to LA and the beach cities, but they just assume I had my own car. Without one, OC is like a prison.
Thanks for this video series, I am all for the an Orange County focused rapid transit video! We desperately need it! Our real only option, Metrolink, is a joke IMO. Keep up the great work!
As a former Irvine resident now in San Diego, come to San Diego. It's dream world version of Orange County with Minneapolis/Denver levels of per capita ridership.
Looking forward to the ONT video. With the right transit, you should be able to get to Downtown LA faster from ONT than from LAX. Hopefully, there is a plan to fill in the area between the two current terminals. I've never seen anything so crazy in all my travels (except, possibly, the Marine Terminal at LGA).
When they built the terminals in the late 1990s my understanding was that there was some sort of stupid beaurcratic reason that made it easier in some legal way to build the two terminals on the ends with a gap in the middle for future expansion as opposed to two connected terminals with a terminal sized spot at one end for the same thing. Never made sense to me, and since the airport has always been chronically underutilized since those terminals were built it looks like it will never be built.
When you talk about ONT you might want to mention the San Bernardino airport which (technically) has a passenger terminal and passenger service. From their website "San Bernardino International Airport is currently served by Breeze Airways, with service to Phoenix (PHX), San Francisco (SFO), Provo (PVU), and Hartford (BDL)."
Yes, it is. But it's primary purpose is to service Amazon air cargo.
@@stevekluth9060 For what it's worth Ontario is a major freight hub for UPS so it might actually be a good contrast
The issue with San Bernardino is that it is an overflow airport for Ontario, but Ontario is nowhere near capacity so an overflow airport is not needed. Ontario is also cheap to fly out of, so that reason doesn't even exist. Breeze flying out of it is just them being both really, really cheap and contrian in general. I have my doubts they will survive long term.
Burbank getting a new rennovation and a lot more connectivity to Metro rail and High Speed Rail is very exciting, hope to see it in my lifetime :)
Loving this series! Can’t wait for the ONT video!
About the OC centerline, there is already the metrolink orange county line which already connects to downtown Fullerton, the Anaheim Transit Center, and close enough to Irvine Spectrum. I feel like they just need a light rail line that connects to the Tustin station and that can serve John Wayne, UCI, etc. In fact, having lived north of John Wayne in Tustin, I know there are some abandoned tracks branching off of the orange county line (between the 55 freeway and Red Hill Ave) that go south and terminates pretty close to the airport. They could leverage that for a light rail.
Oh sick!
I was just looking at those tracks today on maps wondering what they are used for. I've never seen them in use and cross them most everyday.
Agreed on the Orange line. BRT or light rail from there to SNA would be great. It's also a huge business area could service a lot of work commuters (including me)
@@bonddizzle If you zoom in on some tracks (especially right after it branches from the metrolink line) you will notice they branch off a few times and go directly into various warehouses (factories?). Presumably they were used to offload/load freight directly from those warehouses. But yea, I used to work at a place directly adjacent to those tracks and never saw anything use it except for those cool maintenance trucks with wheels that drive on the train tracks.
You make amazing videos. Can you comment on the "other" LAWA airport that is also quite large but not presently being used for commercial traffic, Palmdale? It has been used as a commercial airport in the not too distant past. Thanks! (I'm an American Airlines pilot based in LAX)
I'm way more excited for a video on secondary airports in a metro area I no longer live in than I should be.
Man I read about the El Toro saga and I do wish we had the international airport but John Wayne isn’t too bad it’s not Burbank but it’s close enough.
Also Nandert I’m literally wanting that OC route like I would finally be able to visit my friends and go everywhere without driving on freeways like I want that
Long Beach is great. Back when it was the JetBlue hub, I used it all the time. Since then, not so much.
I would realy like the video of the orange county transit i hope it comes very soon
In my 10 plus years of watching RUclips this is one of the very few times I’ve ever commented on a video… good fuking work dude. Keep it up
Can't wait for your video on OCTA. As someone who goes to CSUF and doesn't have a car, OC bus frequencies are shit and they are super slow compared to a car ride.
hey me too !!
Excellent. The amount of research and transit ideas is impressive. Well done.
The history lesson on these regional airports make it very clear why LAX has to keep expanding and renovating. However, after the final additions of the Southern Mid field extension,Terminal 9, and Concourse 0, LAX has nowhere to go. It will be at capacity in every aspect.
This scenario is why getting HSR to Los Angeles sooner rather than later is so important. I had envisioned Burbank, John Wayne, and Ontario would continue to expand and grow to alleviate the demand on LAX, but you're saying that is very unlikely due to the restrictions on these airports. That's a huge problem and much more serious than I had expected. SoCal is screwed in 20 years. CAHSR and BLW now take on a whole new level of necessary critical transit infrastructure.
Whoa. Nandert is spoiling us in 2024 🎉
Burbank is a wonderful small airport, super fast and easy. Excited to see the new terminal going up, finally.
I find it funny that Nandert’s suggestions for SNA made no mention of the OC Streetcar. Just shows how little anyone cares for it.
It's useless!
Because it's being done half ass.
@@PASH3227 I mean… now that I’m no longer local, I 100% foresee myself using it to visit DTSA.
Not having jet bridges is a plus since they often bring stairs to both the front and rear doors, making getting on and off quite efficient.
Not the best for older and handicapped passengers though.
Since you brought up the Octa bus line connected to John Wayne, I think it would also be worth mentioning that Long Beach Airport also has at least one Long Beach transit bus line that serves the terminal.
Great video on the Los Angeles area airports. BTW, the new parking structure at Hollywood - Burbank airport is built using a seismic isolation foundation that makes it highly survivable and usable after a San Andreas earthquake event.
PS - Also my favorite area airport.
PS2 - is this was Japan, we’d replace John Wayne airport with an offshore airport like Osaka International.
They used similar technology for the new 6rh street viaduct. And, you can see them up close which is cool.
Long Beach is the most pleasant airport experience around here, once you get there. Don't speculate about it, try it. Southwest opened up a lot more indirect destinations and, so far, their prices from/to Long Beach have not been higher than the alternative airports.
LGB's prices are so much higher than LAX or SNA. As someone that commutes between socal and SLC everyone other moth, I've noticed how much higher LGB is and keeps getting. I would much rather fly into LGB as it's only 20 minutes from our house here, but most of the time I have to fly ro LAX or SNA and put up with that horrible deive.
Like your LIght Rail proposals for Orange County.
What a surprise treat this morning🙏🏻
i luv u nandert you are my hero
I flew in and out of LGB for business constantly for a decade. It was like having your own private airport compared to LAX etc. It's a shame they never were able to make El Toro the OC airport. Too many developers saw dollar signs. It's probably what happened to the Tustin hanger but who knows?
I would think they could build a bridge across the 405 to make John Wayne's runway longer as I understand that it's a wee bit short in bad weather.
It is truly sad that so many SoCal cities have always managed to hamstring airports expanding.
And results in more pressure on LAX.
This was a great video. You need to fly Long Beach, best airport in SoCal! I have an amazing shot of a plane at sunset when I flew there in summer 22. Thanks for you you do!
highlight of my week!
Me watching this vid while driving through hell to get to lax.
I may have the most gruesome work day imaginable but seeing his video pop up after my shower makes today good enough to have gotten through. Idk why this is the shit I like
Great content! As someone who works in the planning department of a major US airline the data around origin and destination demand, capacity by market, and average fare is readily available using a tool called Dio which is part of the Cirrum toolset. Subscriptions are expensive but worthwhile.
Can’t wait for ONT in part 3!!
NIMBYsm surrounding public transport projects is probably one of the most bizarre american things from european and asian perspective... NIMBY around airport expansions, construction of industrial plants and whatever other unpleasent things, fair enough but public transport?... the proplr living near it are literally the winners, all people want in european and asian cities is to live as much in proximity as they can to transport hubs...
No way, there's NIMBYism about public transport here in Europe, too. People love access to public transport, but they also don't love it being constructed near them. I don't think LA is so different, either. Angelenos get up in arms against public transport projects near them, but they also agreed by referendum to pay a bunch of money for exactly those projects, so they clearly want them (in general).
Maybe it’s because here in LA any surrounding public transportation project is accompanied by people defecating, talking to themselves, shooting up drugs, and all around lawlessness. Until we take care of that, you can’t expect people to welcome these types of projects into their communities.
@@n.bastians8633Historically, in LA, NIMBYism usually comes from the wealthy areas of Los Angeles County.
The most current example is the very wealthy area of Bel Air is against the heavy rail option for the Sepulveda Pass line because it would tunnel beneath Bel Air. How ridiculous is that? The extension of the D line was ultimately sued by the Beverly Hills School District because it was tunneling under a high-school. Deep tunnels they would never even notice at the surface in any way.
@@n.bastians8633In general, public transit NIMBYism is from rich people who think building public transport near them will make it easier for "those people" to get near them and rob and rape them.
Noise from train tracks is also sometimes an issue and is at least a less classist/racist one.
It's weird for me. In Asia it's the exact opposite. Everyone is always looking for real estate near transit stations. Lobbyists and PACs are formed around which district will get a station.
looking forward to your ONT video!
20:30: your idea is good, (seriously start a petition for it) but i think it should be elevated automated light metro (or I can't believe I'm saying this monorail). Call it the Orange County Skytrain.
Agreed!
I flew out of LGB once. Easy in and out but the choke point is one Slow TSA checkpoint.
SNA has just upgraded their escalators. Two new restaurants have opened in the past few months. There is plenty of parking but not enough seating at the gates. (A common problem at most airports)
A survey crew was just taking measurements this week but for what, I don't know. As an employee, we have to park at the Main St. lot across the 405 from the foot of the runway.
My understanding is that while Alaska will acquire Hawaiian, flights to and from Hawaii will continue to be operated under the Hawaiian brand.
I didn't even know the Center Line proposal existed. It's a damn shame the project never got off the ground. The route was great, and would serve ton of workers and students and get so much commuter traffic off the freeways.... Maybe one day after they finish HSR.
The price difference for BUR vs LAX is often something one can offset by the cost of rideshare/cab if going into the valley, as well as the time.
Looking forward to your OC ideas!
Great job nick! Long Beach airport is similar to Burbank in that getting in and out of the airport is super quick and easy. Combined with the fact that Long Beach residents live within a short drive of the airport mean it's vital for work trips to the Bay Area, Vegas or Phoenix.
I agree with you that High-Speed rail lines will eventually serve all of these cities but for Long Beach residents the biggest issue is getting to Union station. Right now the A line is very slow (I take it on a semi regular basis and it's not great). The proposed freight line conversion you speak of will be very hard to implement. The ROW is very narrow and mostly single track, with only a few grade separations. The ROW also ends immediately north of the airport in an area the city is developing. It also (as you acknowledge) will need to share space with the gateway cities line.
We flew for the first time ever out of long beach on our family vacation last year. Got an amazing deal with SW. Other than the incredibly rude employee at the gate, we absolutely loved the Long Beach airport. Very easy.
Metrolink plans upgrade to 15-20-minute Regional Rail status in the 2030s. Extending Metro B Line up to Metrolink Ventura Line ROW, then turning west would better connect with the emerging Metrolink-Metrorail-Amtrak Van Nuys Station. Along the way, there could be Metro B Line stations at Lankershim & Valley Glen and Laurel Canyon. Combined with a Metro K Line extension to BUR Airport, San Fernando Valley would gain far more high-quality Rapid Transit, Regional Rail & HSR service.
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I live in the valley and have no idea why anyone would fly out of Burbank aside from the proximity. The flights are so expensive.
its like vacation compared to the experience known as LAX
@@MaoistBankeryeah, but my vacations start *after* my flight
I love your airport videos!! Can you do other cities as well??
John Wayne should do much more traffic. 28 gates can handle more traffic than it has now, and the fact that there’s a limited amount of daily slots granted yearly to airlines AND there’s a passenger cap is ridiculous. In 2023 airport officials had to ask airlines to cancel flights at the end of the year because they were going to exceed the annual cap when throughout the year airlines exceeded projections on flight fill. At a minimum the airport needs to lift the passenger cap and maintain the slots limit so airlines can upgrade aircraft to fit more passengers with the same amount of commercial slots. Long term they need to raise the cap, and if they want maybe limit it to the quietest new aircraft (max/neo). John Wayne can just support so much more and has the demand already, it’s just artificially being limited.
For added context John Wayne allocated 127 take offs per day for 2024, that’s 5.8 flights per gate, which is low for the type of planes at SNA.
Glad this got recommended to me, this was an amazing watch right up my alley! Out of curiosity, have you done much research on Hawthorne (HHR)? I've never understood how it ended up with air service, much less to those destinations. Might be a fun quick footnote in the next video, if you're willing of course. Great work, looking forward to more of your vids!
Good overview. Wish Burbank would expand at least 2 more gates with their new renovation. Too close to neighbors and they won’t allow expansion. But this airport is the closest to Hollywood for tourists and Rose Parade/Bowl, etc. You are right SNA will never expand anymore. Too many wealthy people around there and NB already deals with so much noise. I always thought like ONT was like half the size of LAX, wow was I off. ONT is fairly large area, maybe not number of gates, but land wise, so felt big. Easy to get in and out and less expensive. ONT just doesn’t have the tourist flights the same as LAX. It is all the IE, Riverside and SB Counties. Feels like it should be bigger.
The area now has six airports.
San Bernardino International Airport currently offers direct service to and from San Francisco, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Provo (Utah), and Hartford (Connecticut).
San Bernardino International has three terminals, four jet bridges, and a location that is only 1.5 miles away from San Bernardino's central station where multiple Metrolink lines currently terminate. In fact, the land between the station and the airport is vacant or underutilized, and express trains on the San Bernardino Line to and from L.A. Union Station only take about 60 minutes.
While the S.B. County Transportation Authority has discussed extending the Arrow transitway to San Bernardino International, the real value is in letting people take one‐seat Metrolink trips right to the entrance of the domestic terminal.
The international terminal, including the U.S. Customs office, is a completely new building that is far superior to the one at Ontario International Airport, and the runways and terminals can accommodate the largest planes, including the A380 and the 747.
Importantly, the Southern California Association of Governments, in its 2008 Regional Transportation Plan, says that air-rail integration is absolutely essential to San Bernardino International Airport reaching the 2035 Regionalized Aviation Demand projections in that document due to "mounting and increasingly unpredictable traffic congestion on area freeways."
Re Long Beach, one time traffic caused us to show up at nearly the last minute and they managed to breeze us through to get us on the plane. Long Beach is great and a big preference over LAX.
A HSR connection to SF 5 minutes from me would be incredible. Burbank is my lifeline as it is, adding those new connections would be huge. Excited for the new terminal too - my only real complaint about Burbank is that when you're waiting awhile for your flight, there's not a lot to do and not a lot of places to sit when it's crowded.
Thanks for bringing up CenterLine and the complete dearth of efficient transit in OC. Unfortunately, having interned at OCTA, I can say that there’s almost no possibility that CL will be revived. All of the staff energy and funding for the project have been funneled into the OC Streetcar, which opens this December. If the Streetcar performs well, it could be expanded along Harbour Blvd with a stop near Disneyland and a terminus at the Fullerton train station, essentially a less useful version of the northern portion of CL. A John Wayne connection is unlikely before 2040, imo
I don't like that the project is a streetcar. Sparse grade separations, slow by design, and limited capacity. Sure it will drive new development, but most of the new residents will drive to job-rich Irvine or Anaheim.
SAN would make an interesting deep-dive video with all of the construction and expansion.
To be honest, two of the airports mentioned in this video, John Wayne Airport in Costa Mesa and Long Beach Airport, are part of one of the two or three main missing links in Southern California's rail transportation system (along with a line connecting San Diego to the Inland Empire via Escondido, which in turn could make the Riverside Amtrak/Metrolink station an eastern hub for lines going in all four cardinal directions). That link would be connecting the coastal cities of Orange and southwestern Los Angeles counties via Metrolink, starting in Irvine, and going to either LAX or Santa Monica, and both John Wayne Airport and Long Beach Airport could serve as stops in that route (definitely John Wayne Airport would be a stop on that imagined line, as it would effectively connect to nearby Santa Ana). But given the problems with the bluffs in Del Mar and San Clemente, you wouldn't be able to run it up the coastline.
There's already a train connecting Irvine to Union station. It just needs much more substantial improvements.
Once OC Metrolink line is fast and reliable, shuttle buses between Irvine Station and John Way r would work.
@@PASH3227 There always has been one connecting Irvine (really from San Diego) and Union Station in Los Angeles. I'm referring to one connecting Irvine and LAX/Santa Monica via the coastal cities of Orange and southwestern Los Angeles counties (such as Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, Westminster, Long Beach, Carson, and Torrance), possibly going as far north as Santa Monica, but definitely going to LAX, and including a stop at John Wayne Airport, and possibly a connector to the Long Beach Airport, as well. My only question is, would this hypothetical line be light rail, like LA Metro's A, C, and K Lines and the San Diego Trolley, heavy rail, like Metrolink and the Coaster, or a hybrid line, much like NCTD's Sprinter (which connects Oceanside to Escondido) is.
Looking forward to the next video, as it seems Ontario airport has a lot more capacity than it is using, and doesn't have as many problems with noise/expansion potential as the other smaller LA area airports
1 local bus and an occasional shuttle bus service to a Metrolink station for John Wayne Airport? Mesa Gateway Airport on the outskirts of the Phoenix area has better bus service with 1/6 the passenger volume, if that. Mesa Gateway has 2 30-minute bus routes, which is especially surprising, given it’s in a part of the valley that generally has lackluster transit service (Gilbert barely has bus service, and east Mesa isn’t much more accessible by transit, unless you’re going to/coming from somewhere further west).
Honestly, the college thing is a big deal. I chose to apply to UCLA's doctoral program instead of UCI specifically bc driving there everyday from East LA would suck and the Metrolink station isn't really near UCI and doesn't have great frequency
Cool. Now you can take a one seat ride on the E line and get off at the Westwood station and take any number of buses into campus. They should have the UCLA Shuttle bus go all the way down to the E line station until the D subway station opens near Gayley. Once that subway station opens, it will be a huge game changer. BTW, it's set to open in 2027.
I find it funny that LGB put in clear last year😂! It only takes 5 minutes to get through the regular security line anyway.
The climb east out of Indio and Blythe worry me about your routing of HSR from the Coachella valley to Phoenix via the I-10 right of way. There's probably an obvious solution that I'm just missing.
I don't see a Los Angeles to Phoenix high speed rail happening within 30 years, unless Brightline does it. If publicly financed, no way Arizona pays for their half of the cost, and it would be a political non-starter for California to pick up the entire non-Federal tab, even if the California High Speed Rail system is built and is successful.
I noticed at the part where you mention the highspeed rail in Burbank, that is the location of the new industrial park that was recently built. How would that work?
They plan to tear down part of it, but not much since the station will be underground, I think.
I still want the B line extended west on chandler. It would be supplemental to the 101, and most valley trips are going on the 101, or another freeway to get to the 101 or the 405.
when i was working at BUR, there were talks about them opening up flights to canada, any word on that? or was it scrapped?
ALL HAIL BURBANK!
Another very well produced video! Excited for the Ontario and Orange County videos. Would love to see some discussion on potentially phasing out some of these smaller airporrs as high speed rail and climate concerns ramp up.
Is there going to be part 3 for ONT?
Can Knott’s get a connection too?
16:00 they might put a station right next to the airport and have either a bus shuttle or a people mover connect it to the terminal
Suggestion. Bike Path Plans. Bike share last mile plans
10:42 It seems strange to me that the combined % of the top 6 airports would only be 29%, especially when those airports seem to comprise around 50% of flights to and from Burbank. If anything I think the numbers may be underestimating the % of traffic serving HSR routes.
When my sister lived in Simi Valley, I would gladly take a connecting flight from Atlanta to go to Burbank rather than LAX. Of course since she moved, now there is a nonstop flight from ATL to Burbank
There's limits on the long haul flights that KBUR (and KSNA) can accommodate due to 5700' runways, which are the shortest runways in the US commercial system at airports that aren't 100% regional traffic. Currently, the only in production commercial jet that can realistically (technically there are others but there are so many practical limitations that most airlines that tried gave them up) serve these long haul cross country, performance limited (fuel/weight) routes, is the 757, which is no longer in production and nearing the end of it's service life. One might hope there will be better options by the time high speed rail hits Burbank but it's worth mentioning.
Huh, is there any limiting factor that inhibit the 737 MAX(in hindsight, nevermind) and the Airbus A320/A321 NEO in particular...(perhaps the 757 is a high thrust jet that could in shorter runways than them?)
Hahaha 😂 high speed rail that’s funny!
I have experience with LGB. It's rather nice, especially if you're flying in not to go to L.A., but other places like the IE.
can you make sutre to brefiley talk about SBD in the ONT video
Could there ever be rail in Irvine?
Me watching this video with a flight out of Burbank later today
The Paramount ROW could be a spur of the SWAB line to serve LGB
Great video, I miss long beach's super cheap 14$ flights from long beach to the bay area via jetblue as unsustainable as that was. I think Burbank could become a huge transit center if the calHSR is ever completed, it could be similar to orlando where people could fly into burbank and then transfer onto CalHSR to the central valley (which is super underserved by flights)
OCTA is probably the worst transit agency in California, the nimby population of OC has destroyed any hope for any semblance of bus service. I used to live car-free in OC (yes I was crazy, I had a bike), but there as basically no bus service right now.
I don't even know if the OCTA light rail would work because there's no residential density near most of the stops, most college commuters are driving from their homes. It would have to be some sort of system of park and rides to solve the atrocious traffic
OC is densifying. Visit Angel Stadium and there's apartments that weren't there 5 years ago.
The area surrounding Main Place Mall in Santa Ana, and South Coast Plaza are also adding new multistory housing.
Park and ride will be part of the solution but OC has the density to support mass transit. I think it should be a separate automated subway system like Montreal's REM, taking advantage of OC's wide streets.
I’m glad things are changing - I’ll have to see next time I visit
I don't really fly at all so this is mostly interesting because working in aerospace my jobs are usually near airports. Would love a BRT running down Lakewood for my job by LGB instead of riding my bike and taking the slow ass 91/92/93 bus lines. And working all the way in Irvine was god awful and the OCTA is the epitome of "nothing is sometimes better than something" because at least you could start from the ground up. But it's OC so it's not like they want public transit, they'd rather Disneyland have another parking structure built and have 50 mph highways.
Obviously the stakeholders would want the airports to still exist but if they were to become redundant because of trains and/or LAX having more capacity, what could be done to convert the airport land to something else? Especially because so many surrounding businesses support the airports even more land would be affected, my only ideas are creating another population/job center or a giant park space (or both) but I'm sure other people have more imagination, or previous examples of other cities.
And the last one is ontario airport
I’m beginning to think we’re never getting the ONT update 😒
i'm working on it, it's just very long
Please make that OC video
Why isnt PSP on your list? Huge runway. Nice terminal, it is in So Cal. And passanger traffic is going through the roof each year. And its an international airport with customs.
As someone who lives two miles from PSP, it's really a separate destination. It's also not going to have enough traffic to qualify. Not to mention that Bakersfield is as close as LAX as Palm Springs.
I reckon metro areas like LA should really have a more unified regional transit authority to decide on intercounty transit projects and make life easier for everyone while also cutting on nimbyism power to undermine sustainable development.
This said.. a lot more money should be poured into these prejecta anyway, in 10 years a metro region like LA should be able to build sooo much more than seems to be the case
Well, Metrolink is funded by the 5 counties it serves. So it works like a unified transit agency.
Agreed, much more money is needed from the federal government. LA residents voted several times to increase taxes on themselves to build the LA Metro system which started operations in 1990. LA has built more rail transit infrastructure than any other city in the last 33 years.
Good heavens, another nander video!
don't get my hopes up for the OC Center Line man 😣
please please make a video about OCTA, i moved to OC from LA to go to CSUF and the way transit operates (or doesn't operate) here is fucking killing me
It really is disappointing that Orange County doesn't have it's own International airport. It has a HUGE population. We need to stop caring what people want around their homes and build these damn airports. Sorry, your property will lose some value but at least the rest of the population is able to get to destinations.
How do you only have 11k subs?
Burbank blocking all Metro lines in to their city was the worst idea ever.
Palmdale on the sidelines, asking WTF? I thought I was your last big project???
You do not include SBD as a Southern California airport? It has commercial flights and given the lack of development next to the airport is much easier to expand and connect to public transport. LGB could also be served by a people mover or gasp Monorail between A line Wardlo station and LBCC
Doesnt it make zero sense to connect a airport that small to hsr?