This was a crime of a fistbump At least Mew2King and PPMD's hands actually touched decently well, the only problem was they gave a flimsy hand. aMSa and Hungrybox's fists hardly even touched, and it looked so weird how Hbox's fist was sideways on top of aMSa's fist which was vertical
This matchup is so interesting and I'm glad we are seeing it a lot more. It's between one character with an aerial dash dance and the other with an aerial crouch cancel.
aMSa really showing that he could viably be rank 1 threat. Major consistency in wins over the best players in the world makes a big deal. Can't wait to see him at Panda finals- OH WAIT
I'm not a melee nerd but I'm pretty sure it missed due to the Y axis. I can't explain it well but I'll try. So smash is a 2-D fighter because they are stuck on moving up down to left and right, it's platformer like tradition mario bros. But it uses 3-D models. So if a fighter slides slighty out of the Y-axis point where another fighters moves would usually hit, it will miss. It is very rare, but to see a good example, look up "Yoshi's taunt Y-axis Smash Brawl". Sorry I'm don't very good at articulating the game of smash
Amsa seems like Hbox new demon - Yoshi parrys very much everything on Puff and can even parry thru rest - Amsa has this insane flow chart if Hbox rest kills him or miss rest , he just go for this punish that can lead to high % or 0 to death - On the counter pick wars , Hbox cant really go to his Dreamland stage due to Amsa timing him out - If you choose a stage with platforms you are giving Yoshi tools to tech , drop shield and more recovery options. - But if you choose a flat stage like FD you can run into having a harder time getting in - Amsa shielding is next level , he knows how to move fast , the intereaction , the power shields , and more
It’s crazy because it’s a battle of the last titans of their respective characters. The only person who plays Jigglypuff at a semi high level besides Hbox is 2Saint, and I cant name a single other yoshi player besides Amsa.
@Trololo231 No , Amsa is a bit opposite than Hbox. While Hungrybox straight up does not play friendlies to give info , Amsa does it with players who are very good against low tiers like Moky and Plup. Also he does lots of friendlies with the AZ gang like Axe and Eggstinction. Amsa plays friendlies for the MU and to improve his mind games , but his tech like parries and perfect power shields are while he is labbing.
HBox and Amsa are some of my favorites in the game and their continued refinement of their characters is really fun to watch. I'm so happy for Amsa that he can fight HBox and Mango at this level, you love to see pioneers of their character actually making it to the top level and being a significant threat. So proud of him.
19:36 this up throw was so dumb .every time Hbox upthrew aMSa just floated away. He lost a stock for it . Muscle memory + not preparing for yoshi = this
Hbox has had success sharking Amsa with up throw in past sets this year that he won, so I understand why he goes for up throw, since there is no combo throw option. But amsa did a much better job of getting back down from the air without getting sharked this set.
you don"t always up throw to combo into upair or rest in the puff ditto for example you do up throw because it's easier to catch the landing of you're opponent from below and puff's upair beat most descending option even falco's dair. Don't know how much that is applicable to the yoshi's mu tho.
@@dragvrallass1658 it’s the same idea against Yoshi or most floaties who have trouble getting down from the air, up throw into sharking them with up airs works well against Yoshi, Samus, Pikachu, marth, etc. I have found.
Hell yeah aMSa! He continues to demonstrate just how good Yoshi can be. His movement, his kill options, all on display against one the best. The god of all us Yoshi-mains. (also that dunk at 3:01 JAAAAAYZUS!! I spilled my drink😂😂)
I love how playing against aMSa is about learning Yoshi gimmicks, but aMSa is so sick, he invents new things for every tourney he's in. Once you get the feeling others caught up to his stuff, he kicks into the next gear
i think rest being that powerful breaks armor pretty early and rest is a one frame hitbox so very hard to time well even if you read the rest happening.
Amsa being so good and being so good with yoshi specifically, has changed the top 10 meta. Like your bracket can be completely ruined if amsa is in your run. It seems like hbox is lost in the matchup, not saying that he isn't a god, but like, hes figuring it out as he goes? Same with so many foxes that end up vs amsa
It just feels like he had such a good read on it earlier this year, but with the jetlag debuff gone from Amsa that seems like a huge change in the mu. I don't know how much of it exactly was jet lag or HBox knowing the mu at the time or anything, but in the later half of the year it's changed drastically. Like, I think HBox is 0-2 or 0-3 with Amsa recently, starting at least since TBH10. If that rest hadn't been armored it'd be a completely different story. I don't want to call him another bracket demon yet, but sheesh. HBox may still firmly be top 5 now but at this rate he's 5th behind Zain, Mango, IBDW and now arguably Amsa. (Leffen's been good, don't get me wrong, but his lack of appearances hurts him. I think he's probly #6-8 with Plup and Jmook.) (it's also insane to think that, aside from Low Tide which he DQ'd at the start and Double Down which he DQ'd after getting top 8, this is only his third non-top 4 finish I know of this year--Genesis 8, CEO, and here. Every other time he's been 1-4.) EDIT: Also, can we say RTC rest's are viable with that ending to game 1? That looked like a hard/good tech-in-place read to me, and they've been dogging him most of the tourney for whether or not HBox was really incorporating them into his play. I'm not asking for people to be scared yet, just to stop saying he's not doing them. It'll still take a bit of time before he's at the scary level.
I love aMSa, I LOVE seeing aMSa play against hbox (maybe new favorite player MU), but I fear for aMSa’s lead. Juan is a legendarily incredible player, and I don’t expect him to stay so staunchly negative in record against him much longer.
@@raphu2272 Even though None and Llod won't appear on the top 10 due to either inactivity or low placements, and Amsa wasn't even close to approaching the top 10 for YEARS until 2022 (maybe had a shot in 2021, idk, I wasn't watching regularly last year)? Meanwhile, an icies player has a chance at top 10 for the first time in years, a solo Sheik main has become a community darling and top 10 mainstay and a YOSHI is in contention for #1 IN THE WORLD for the first time in literally the game's entire competitive lifetime? Yes, it's likely that the top 5 will stay the same for at least a couple more years. Eventually HBox and Mango will drop off a cliff purely due to aging, while Zain and IBDW at least are young enough to maintain position for awhile. But just because that part has basically only seen one new challenger in the last couple of years (Amsa) doesn't mean the entire top 10 is dead. That's ridiculous and very ignorant of how things are nowadays. This isn't the era of Five Gods anymore where only Godslayers like Plup and Leffen were the only viable contenders. Slug, Amsa, None, Llod, Jmook, Kodorin, S2J and Axe are all making (or already have made) believable claims to being in the top 10, and already in 8 names there's only one overlap (S2J and None both are Solo Falcon). You think that's a dead meta?
When I first got into melee, I remember mentioning to the guy who got me into it "why doesn't anybody go yoshi vs puff? Seems like he would counter a lot of the stuff puff goes for." And now I realize its because yoshi is insanely hard to play, but nice to know baby me had a bit of a point at least.
If Puff jumps from stage and get meteored she can’t meteor cancel if she hasn’t used a double jump yet, she can however up-B meteor cancel to grab ledge if it’s close enough.
@@surfingraichu7594 no you can still meteor cancel even if you haven’t jumped. It just means you have to time it. Once puff uses a double jump, she can buffer the meteor cancel
@@djhooker8782 unless turndownforwalt misinformed there’s a 40 frame lockout but that was probably more than 40 frames tbh, so Hbox just needs to meteor cancel like everyone else
Would someone be so nice and create a meme (I would take tom hardy legend meme) from the Superarmored Rest and Hungrybox's reaction :-D I will pay in monopoly rupees
Man aMSa really needs to work on his neutral and punish on the left side of FD. He barely eggs in neutral, doesn't reverse Bair or accurately snipe with uair at all when he's on the left trying to edgeguard or clean up a stock.
Every close game 5 he loses since LSI fk this man..all that coming back from the slump until September was nothing because mang0 and aMSa perfomed better for 2 and a half months this year nice.
God I love Amsa. He makes tournaments so damned entertaining.
12:05 you can actually pinpoint the exact second hbox's heart rips in half
That felt so tilting and yet hbox is solid enough to bring it to game 5 anyways.
12:22 “I felt that too Hbox. That was tough” LOL
You love to see it happen, when Rest has stolen so many games with taking out stocks stupidly early.
@@Boyzby fox player detected
@@syntax2679 lmao
22:10 this is the single worst fistbump attempt i've ever seen
yeah i think they didn’t mind it was a nail biter
ppmd and m2k have worse
PPMD and m2k have worse but they would be proud
This was a crime of a fistbump
At least Mew2King and PPMD's hands actually touched decently well, the only problem was they gave a flimsy hand. aMSa and Hungrybox's fists hardly even touched, and it looked so weird how Hbox's fist was sideways on top of aMSa's fist which was vertical
@@Michael-hc2hp he literally put his fist like in front of Amsa’s face LMAO
This matchup is so interesting and I'm glad we are seeing it a lot more. It's between one character with an aerial dash dance and the other with an aerial crouch cancel.
THIS WAS soo good bros ggs both
18:57 - Amsa really took eyeglass damage for being on stage? That's crazy.
because the camera was so zoomed in that he was offscreen
aMSa really showing that he could viably be rank 1 threat. Major consistency in wins over the best players in the world makes a big deal.
Can't wait to see him at Panda finals- OH WAIT
what? amsa is far from #1
Hes pretty damn good but relax with the dickriding. Its making him go into overrated status
Melee Nerds, how does that grab miss 24:00?
yoshi shield has invincibility during its start up then amsa cancelled shield startup -> jump -> upsmash
same thing as parrying
I'm not a melee nerd but I'm pretty sure it missed due to the Y axis. I can't explain it well but I'll try. So smash is a 2-D fighter because they are stuck on moving up down to left and right, it's platformer like tradition mario bros. But it uses 3-D models. So if a fighter slides slighty out of the Y-axis point where another fighters moves would usually hit, it will miss. It is very rare, but to see a good example, look up "Yoshi's taunt Y-axis Smash Brawl". Sorry I'm don't very good at articulating the game of smash
Most of Yoshi's body is out of Puff's grab range on the z-axis, except for his arm hurtbox which is ungrabbable.
@@apolmedrano3914 that was great articulation thanks
@@apolmedrano3914 FYI, it’s the Z-axis that goes “in and out of the tv screen.” Y is up and down, x is left and right.
Amsa seems like Hbox new demon
- Yoshi parrys very much everything on Puff and can even parry thru rest
- Amsa has this insane flow chart if Hbox rest kills him or miss rest , he just go for this punish that can lead to high % or 0 to death
- On the counter pick wars , Hbox cant really go to his Dreamland stage due to Amsa timing him out
- If you choose a stage with platforms you are giving Yoshi tools to tech , drop shield and more recovery options.
- But if you choose a flat stage like FD you can run into having a harder time getting in
- Amsa shielding is next level , he knows how to move fast , the intereaction , the power shields , and more
It’s crazy because it’s a battle of the last titans of their respective characters. The only person who plays Jigglypuff at a semi high level besides Hbox is 2Saint, and I cant name a single other yoshi player besides Amsa.
@@gregoryent n3z
he double-jump armors through rest I think you mean. I think he can parry rest but double-jump armor saved him game 3 last stock
@Trololo231 No , Amsa is a bit opposite than Hbox. While Hungrybox straight up does not play friendlies to give info , Amsa does it with players who are very good against low tiers like Moky and Plup. Also he does lots of friendlies with the AZ gang like Axe and Eggstinction. Amsa plays friendlies for the MU and to improve his mind games , but his tech like parries and perfect power shields are while he is labbing.
Hbox keeps choking he can beat amsa for sure but can’t close it. Cody Leffen and Zain are bigger problems for hbox
Good lord that whole set was actually decided by Yoshi armoring a fukcin Rest
Melee is wild, bois
12:05 YOSHI PASIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOSHI YOSHI YOSHI YOSHI
HBox and Amsa are some of my favorites in the game and their continued refinement of their characters is really fun to watch.
I'm so happy for Amsa that he can fight HBox and Mango at this level, you love to see pioneers of their character actually making it to the top level and being a significant threat. So proud of him.
19:36 this up throw was so dumb .every time Hbox upthrew aMSa just floated away. He lost a stock for it . Muscle memory + not preparing for yoshi = this
Hbox has had success sharking Amsa with up throw in past sets this year that he won, so I understand why he goes for up throw, since there is no combo throw option. But amsa did a much better job of getting back down from the air without getting sharked this set.
what throw did you want him to do
you don"t always up throw to combo into upair or rest in the puff ditto for example you do up throw because it's easier to catch the landing of you're opponent from below and puff's upair beat most descending option even falco's dair. Don't know how much that is applicable to the yoshi's mu tho.
@@dragvrallass1658 it’s the same idea against Yoshi or most floaties who have trouble getting down from the air, up throw into sharking them with up airs works well against Yoshi, Samus, Pikachu, marth, etc. I have found.
Hell yeah aMSa! He continues to demonstrate just how good Yoshi can be. His movement, his kill options, all on display against one the best. The god of all us Yoshi-mains. (also that dunk at 3:01 JAAAAAYZUS!! I spilled my drink😂😂)
Let's kick some ass, Amsa!
12:05
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I love how playing against aMSa is about learning Yoshi gimmicks, but aMSa is so sick, he invents new things for every tourney he's in. Once you get the feeling others caught up to his stuff, he kicks into the next gear
20:43 no Blur that was Yoshi parrying the grab, not dodging it by using upsmash
Amsa moves so fast on battlefield and his egg to up air smash is 💯
I can confirm that Amsa, as the last surviving red dinosaur, is an arch-tempered Anjanath
12:05 how have I never seen him armour the rest before? That's actually insane
something similar happens during summit 12, a set where amsa 3-0's hbox. almost a year later, a similar thing happens...
i think rest being that powerful breaks armor pretty early and rest is a one frame hitbox so very hard to time well even if you read the rest happening.
Charizard vs jiggly puffy is my new favorite match to watch.
lmao same
Melee keeps developing like its Chess, its nuttier than a squirrel turd.
Amsa being so good and being so good with yoshi specifically, has changed the top 10 meta. Like your bracket can be completely ruined if amsa is in your run. It seems like hbox is lost in the matchup, not saying that he isn't a god, but like, hes figuring it out as he goes? Same with so many foxes that end up vs amsa
It just feels like he had such a good read on it earlier this year, but with the jetlag debuff gone from Amsa that seems like a huge change in the mu. I don't know how much of it exactly was jet lag or HBox knowing the mu at the time or anything, but in the later half of the year it's changed drastically. Like, I think HBox is 0-2 or 0-3 with Amsa recently, starting at least since TBH10. If that rest hadn't been armored it'd be a completely different story.
I don't want to call him another bracket demon yet, but sheesh. HBox may still firmly be top 5 now but at this rate he's 5th behind Zain, Mango, IBDW and now arguably Amsa. (Leffen's been good, don't get me wrong, but his lack of appearances hurts him. I think he's probly #6-8 with Plup and Jmook.)
(it's also insane to think that, aside from Low Tide which he DQ'd at the start and Double Down which he DQ'd after getting top 8, this is only his third non-top 4 finish I know of this year--Genesis 8, CEO, and here. Every other time he's been 1-4.)
EDIT: Also, can we say RTC rest's are viable with that ending to game 1? That looked like a hard/good tech-in-place read to me, and they've been dogging him most of the tourney for whether or not HBox was really incorporating them into his play. I'm not asking for people to be scared yet, just to stop saying he's not doing them. It'll still take a bit of time before he's at the scary level.
I love aMSa, I LOVE seeing aMSa play against hbox (maybe new favorite player MU), but I fear for aMSa’s lead. Juan is a legendarily incredible player, and I don’t expect him to stay so staunchly negative in record against him much longer.
thers no top 10 meta cuz melee is dead
alternative comment: top 10 meta changes cuz its the same 10 ppl playin
@@raphu2272 Even though None and Llod won't appear on the top 10 due to either inactivity or low placements, and Amsa wasn't even close to approaching the top 10 for YEARS until 2022 (maybe had a shot in 2021, idk, I wasn't watching regularly last year)? Meanwhile, an icies player has a chance at top 10 for the first time in years, a solo Sheik main has become a community darling and top 10 mainstay and a YOSHI is in contention for #1 IN THE WORLD for the first time in literally the game's entire competitive lifetime?
Yes, it's likely that the top 5 will stay the same for at least a couple more years. Eventually HBox and Mango will drop off a cliff purely due to aging, while Zain and IBDW at least are young enough to maintain position for awhile. But just because that part has basically only seen one new challenger in the last couple of years (Amsa) doesn't mean the entire top 10 is dead. That's ridiculous and very ignorant of how things are nowadays.
This isn't the era of Five Gods anymore where only Godslayers like Plup and Leffen were the only viable contenders. Slug, Amsa, None, Llod, Jmook, Kodorin, S2J and Axe are all making (or already have made) believable claims to being in the top 10, and already in 8 names there's only one overlap (S2J and None both are Solo Falcon). You think that's a dead meta?
The fistbump after the set was so bad
hbox forced that fist in the end
Goddamn yoshi is one tough dinosaur to put down
This is the true 20XX era, everyone mains Yoshi and play in Battlefield.
12:05 that's some anime shit right there
a yoshii???????
' you're shooting 3s but you're opponent is goaltending' lol
So glad the commentators switched.
The competition is more fierce than ever in melee. I hope hbox can really hop on his grind and make next year an even better run
Replace hbox god rank to amsa 22:10 lmao hbox is so heart broken when he went for a fist bump, he didnt even look at amsa 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
When I first got into melee, I remember mentioning to the guy who got me into it "why doesn't anybody go yoshi vs puff? Seems like he would counter a lot of the stuff puff goes for." And now I realize its because yoshi is insanely hard to play, but nice to know baby me had a bit of a point at least.
"Imagine if exactly one dinosaur lived?" @14:04. You mean like Alligators Blur lol...
LET’S GO JAPAN BABY. AMSA THE RED YOSHI 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵❤️❤️❤️
ジャパニーズゴッドスレイヤー、アムサ！！
HDBD
Hungrybox Do Be Drifting
hbox wearing versace shades to a smash tourny??
😂 “it’s 2022 we not winning honest out here”
"The options are options"
This genuinely might change the way I think about playing the game.
How?
Can puff not just dair gimp yoshi off stage? I never see hbox go for it
Hbox out at 5th? Ouch, feel your pain bruh.
The rest at 9:54 was actually cracked
good try hbox. congrats to amsa
Is hbox unable to meteor cancel those fairs that kicked him?
If Puff jumps from stage and get meteored she can’t meteor cancel if she hasn’t used a double jump yet, she can however up-B meteor cancel to grab ledge if it’s close enough.
Also, hbox uses tap jump, which makes it so you can’t meteor cancel
@@surfingraichu7594 no you can still meteor cancel even if you haven’t jumped. It just means you have to time it. Once puff uses a double jump, she can buffer the meteor cancel
@@phenethylamines oh so melee pros mod their controler to dissable tap jump? ok
@@djhooker8782 unless turndownforwalt misinformed there’s a 40 frame lockout but that was probably more than 40 frames tbh, so Hbox just needs to meteor cancel like everyone else
Man yoshi and puff scrap like dogs
Would someone be so nice and create a meme (I would take tom hardy legend meme) from the Superarmored Rest and Hungrybox's reaction :-D I will pay in monopoly rupees
Ngl matchup looks tough for jigglypuff
😎
Idk how Hbox is still in contention for rank 1. He getting eliminated so early I haven't seen him win in forever
Hbox hasn’t been in contention for 1st since he lost to zain at apex
He isn't
bro that double jump armor on the rest was sooooo cringe, but good game for amsa
Man aMSa really needs to work on his neutral and punish on the left side of FD. He barely eggs in neutral, doesn't reverse Bair or accurately snipe with uair at all when he's on the left trying to edgeguard or clean up a stock.
god i love seeing hbox lose
Every close game 5 he loses since LSI fk this man..all that coming back from the slump until September was nothing because mang0 and aMSa perfomed better for 2 and a half months this year nice.
Hungrysucks is boring
Hungry box is so cringe
Good to see hbox not reaching top 3 again.