How Puss In Boots the Last Wish Should have Ended
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I get the idea, but Death coming back seems a bit… wrong?
His exit after his duel with Puss, the “you know we will meet again… right?” line, it feels like that weight goes away if he comes back and saves the day.
He doesn't really save the day though from what I understood of the rewrite. Matter of fact it's a net loss overall for that world minus this specific scenario, because I understood it as Death wishing for *nobody* to have more than 1 life/be immortal, which means Phoenix species go extinct, many other happy endings are ruined, cats no longer get 9 lives, it's like eroding part of the magic of the world they live in. Yes, it gives them a fighting chance, and at the time it feels like it helps them, but then, at what cost? Everything is mortal now. Which fits great for the hero who gets over his lack of care for his many lives but ends up bringing death upon the whole world more powerful than ever. It's bittersweet really.
@@lucianocastrogiovanni2879 I thought that, rather than Death disliking the concept of immortality altogether, he was deeply upset about people who don't value their lives or the concept of a life, which is often a side-effect of immortality. And therefore his wish would just be to make jack become mortal, as he was the one abusing immortality. Death knew that he would be killed again, so he just made it so the death would stick next time. For example, I presume that Death would not punish the phoenix, who we have no indication of having been ungrateful for each of its lives.
Just move the line to when he makes the wish, before he actually leaves and sees Puss for the last time.
I can understand where you're coming from, and there is a simple solution to that problem: have Death say the line after the climax. Puss in Boots could thank him for the help. Death could reiterate that he does not like the concept of being immortal and unappreciative of life, then tells him that they will meet again someday and that Puss in Boots will be looking forward to it.
@@ap3productions81This would directly ruin the entire point of Death's character though. He doesn't care about them living, only that they respect what time they have left. Death being their get out of jail free card kinda kills the entire mood his character set.
I'm genuinely shocked that so many people are this fixated on someone actually making the wish. I guess for me it doesn't really feel like like a Chekhov's Gun since it's not always or repeatedly in play, it's just what the characters initially view as their end goal.
Also, I have similar problems with Goldie's progression but not quite the same. I was looking for a more specific reason for her wish. Something like, "Yeah, I'm an orphan! My parents are out there somewhere and I still don't know why they abandoned me." Especially since the movie goes out of its way to mention that she's an orphan so much.
I think it's hard not to constantly mention she's an orphan, after all, she is literally raised by bears. It's difficult to avoid such a topic even if she wanted to, which was the crux of her predicament.
I think you really can't remove the final fight between puss and death. It's too much of an important character moment.
Yeah, probably the reason he didn't change anything about that part
Yes, the idea is that Death goes away and then returns for Jack
@@tedarcher9120 Fuk, I remembered both final fights so disconected I changed their order in my mind and thought the death fight happened first
@@angelveda8651 it did
I think the return of Death (and the change in plan to get perrito away from the star) would occur after the duel between Puss and Death, still letting that climax of Puss' character growth take place
I always feel Death is some being similar to the wish itself, an immortal concept personification using another immortal concept seems odd to me. And the magnifying glass seems to have no root of fairy tale (Jack very concept is he have no original ideas) and too covoluted for the "steal" part as there are too many implacation that Jack in his character trait should abuse the hell out of it.
But I do like the Goldilock twist, its very fun to go through the whole special tweak!
I'm glad someone else noticed the glaring thematic problem of an "Ability stealing magnifying glass". It's not just Jack, the whole Shrek-iverse (for lack of a better term) is entirely themed around European fairy tales. Even if you stretch the boundaries out to all fairy tales worldwide, there really isn't anything particularly comparable, probably because even old storytellers knew such a powerful object would break most stories by itself.
I think the implication with Goldie's feelings about the bears being "bears" is that she felt that humans aren't supposed to be poor/not-classy like the bears are. Aside from being wild animals, the bears are raunchy, motivated by simple pleasures like food and sleep, and speak in a dialect of the British accent associated with the working class (I don't know exactly which one). Further, Goldie's main conception of humans as a child was probably through that book she stole, and the image she associated with the most was the aristocratic human family she drew herself into.
Basically, Goldie's identity crisis is very class-coded and probably not meant to be taken literally.
Cockney is the accent you're thinking of.
I didn't really see it as class-coded, but I can see the points you could draw from that. I thought it was just she felt too different from the bears, but I wish the movie explored that better. Unique's rewrite was cute.
It's also racially coded as well, considering the bears clearly represent an inner city london working class black family, where goldie is a prim and proper white girl.
It's actually a pretty elegant way to display it
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I don't see it that way. How do you figure they're coded at all?
I honestly just see them as talking bears.
Probably was meant to be taken literally. It's just that the human element that created the movie inserted stereotypes without really thinking about it.
@@thatlonelygiraffeinc.6989 nah you smoking some crack.
To understand Goldie's psychology it's important to understand the feelings of adopted kids and how they feel about the parents they never saw. Now, I grew up with my biological parents and can't relate. However, I heard it time and time again from professionals, that a lot of adopted kids want to find their biological family, or at least go through that obsessive phase. It's hard on them emotionally, and they want that closure. Why their real parents abandoned them and stuff like that. This is why it's important to take responsibility and raise your own kids. But, at least that's how I understand Goldie's motivation.
The crew chef deserves the wish.
Yeah but they dead
@@SmartAlec1 have the 13 members wish to revive all his friend.
@@SmartAlec1 also what up man.
@@Hornetog9vp what up
Goldies feeling about wanting a "real" familie really hit me. Because I have felt that way before, as I was removed from my toxic as hell parents. But even thought I knew they weren't good for me I felt like I betrayed them by loving my new familie. So Goldies want might not make sense in a plot way but as an emotional reason it is really strong
I think this is pretty good, but I personally don't find it as satisfying as what we got for for the movie, but I think a mixture between the tweaks and the movie's story would work rather well
I like your challenge here for improving a movie you already think is perfect.
I did have a different interpretation of the movie’s moral, however. You mentioned it being “appreciate what you already have” whereas I interpreted it to be “you don’t need magic to make your wishes come true”.
There are lots of things in life where people would rather have things answered instantly; like healing a scar (be it physical or mental), finding a place where you belong, etc.. While there are some cases where magic could be justified, most of the time it’s better to go on a “hero’s journey” and work to make your dreams come true.
Just having your wish granted without effort you never learn the lessons or gain the wisdom that comes through overcoming your weaknesses.
The star actually did grant their wishes by showing them what they needed during the journey through the dark forest. This allowed the characters to learn though experience, and by the end they didn’t need the magic because their wishes were already granted.
I feel like my one problem with this is the obvious one of that the magnifying glass doesn't have a fairytale counterpart, other than that its terrific.
I had my doubts when the video started, but you ended up more than impressing me. You tied in all the new elements while keeping the strong beats of the original, and without losing anything. You even subverted my expectation of 'who's the least likely' with a very satisfying choice! I wasn't sure where you were going with the hibernation idea, but it definitely makes sense and I love that final resolution. Now we just have to find a really fun magical fairy tale item that steals powers away to slot in, and you're set! Rock on!
Lol, i'm reading the comments and i'm realising I probably should have done that. I just kinda explained the required mechanics without giving it visual flavour. Its not that I couldn't, I just don't usually go over flavour details or im writing a whole ass novel.
Oh actually a magic mirror is probably a bit more fairy-tale-y isn't it?
@@Uniquenameosaurus
Magic mirrors are more often the cursed kind of fairy tale object, but I could see it working.
Honestly when hearing his diatribe about it for a minute I thought Death would be best too. When watching the movie I assumed it would be Perrito like a lot of other people.
Ooohhh, what about a magic glove? Both because thieves use gloves when stealing things and because then they could have a "got your nose!" joke to help explain the glove's power without spelling it out.
I like the idea of the magnifying glass but it seems a bit too broad a scope for an item to have?
And it doesn’t have a connection to any fairy tale that I can think of.
I can’t think of a solid comparison but maybe thief’s glove instead?
Something with a limited range and three uses so Jack couldn’t just steal everything with them, just when it seems like he has no other options.
(and it would add some physically since he has to literally rip their abilities from them, the glass feels a little passive)
Cool ideas here just thought I’d throw that in too ^^
edit: wait didn’t see the rest of the video, I guess I like baby and her using this but it still seems a little too powerful to not break other parts of the story tbh
If I knew there was gunna be so much focus on it, I would have given it more thought. But yeah now I think of it, magnifying glass is to scientific so it doesn't fit the whimsical setting. Now I'm thinking some form of magic mirror, but this works too. 3 Uses is probably smart too, but I'm also trying to avoid exposition and in depth mechanics.
@@Uniquenameosaurus I think the uses could be implied, if you went with a magic mirror each use could crack the surface. Then when Jack uses it at the end it could shatter so he couldn’t just use it to steal from Death or anyone else after ^^
@@Uniquenameosaurus One of the strengths of Jack Horner's character is that his arsenal of magical weapons comes almost exclusively from known fairy tales and Disney movies, which has the double benefit of disguising a full arsenal of Checkov's guns as innocuous Easter eggs (best example being Alice's "Eat Me" cookies), and making their powers and rules implicitly known by the spectators (you know that a crystal ball can see anywhere you want, and even if you don't, that info is easily conveyed when needed).
I feel like the magnifying glass, or whatever shape it takes, must have that same fame status to feel like a natural part of Jack's collection. But surprisingly, an artifact that can steal anyone's power isn't that common in popular media. Most entries on the Power Parasite page of TV Tropes are either too niche or not tied to an object unfortunately. Unless I'm missing an obvious one...
@@Uniquenameosaurus I assumed your direction was that its a 'looking glass' and its connection is to the Alice Through The Looking Glass story.Afterall the looking glass is kinda meant to represent the concept of something opposite, so it could make sense a looking glass shard could make sense for swapping aspects of people, thus giving the effect of stealing powers. Ill admit though that might be a little bit much since the Story IIRC never really had a looking glass as anything more then a gateway to a mirror world.
@@Uniquenameosaurus A pirate's spyglass, perhaps?
I have mixed feelings about this one. I don't think it would make the movie worse, but I'm not exactly sure if it would make it better either.
I think there is something very human about wanting to get to know your real family. it's not just a point and case of her not loving the bears as much as she should. in the house scene it's clear that she just longs to know part of herself that she never could know. almost as if a part of her is missing without it.
that is clearly not the focus of her motivation, but a feeling like that is there.
but there is more. while you did try to make up for it with a different scene, I don't think anything else could truly replace the 3 of them tearing up the wish. your version would work well enough, but it would certainly be a downgrade to that specific moment.
I think death vs puss wouldn't work as well. there is kind of a frustration in death's fighting, which comes from him refusing to see that puss has changed until he is proven wrong. and even afterwards you can see him be somewhat annoyed by it. him already having his wish granted, wouldn't ruin that fight. but I do think it would remove this aspect at least partly, and that would be a change for the worse.
we could remove the fight entirely, but that would not only take the best part of the movie (imo) away, it would also be a much bigger blue ball than them not using the wish ever was.
there is also the possibility of the ending being dragged out after the changes, since making an already long climax even longer could have some negatives.
I feel unique not being able to empathize with Goldie is probably because he hasn't been in the system. For myself and any other adopted/fostered kids, her sentiment is obvious and deeply relatable. Sure I love my found family, but there's something inseparable about the people you were pre-destined to be with, who you were literally born into.
"But why?" I click on the video only to get slapped in the face with an explanation
My only problem is the fact that death doesn’t get a long fight at the end. However that twist with the magnifying glass is so adorable and sweet
death could do his wish after fighting puss
i assumed this whole thing was post the death fight
@@Vishal-hf1mw rule of cool tho
@@Vishal-hf1mw I mean it was a primordial force given human form. (Or wolf form more accurately). Which he was gonna still lose to whenever. Being able to fight a primordial force period doesn’t exactly sound like that much of a problem. Like technically all humans fight death daily but eventually lose to it. Also this is a movie where the main character is a talking cat. Beating him would have been unbelievable tho.
But he does, Puss and Wolf fight, then the Family Gang and Jack arrive.
I echo the setiments that everyone else has about the magnifying glass being out of place with the fairy tale theme.
But Ill also add that this new ending ditches the big Puss v Death showdown that IMO was the real climax to cement Puss' character devolupment.
Unironically crying about your goldie changes. I'm a sucker for burdens shared out of love. Like damn, this is why you're always in the "Hear me out" tier of creatives in my book.
One small complaint is, well does the magnifying glass that steals powers have a fairytale origin? Pretty much all of Jack's items have some kind of fairytale, mythical, or folklore origin. If the magnifying glass is made just to serve the plot, well it kind of sticks out as an artificial way to facilitate the plot. Granted this is coming with the hindsight of seeing the original film, but still.
Just my little critique, I enjoyed the video and like the twist of Death getting the wish alongside Jack becoming immortal mirroring where Puss began.
Maybe the titular item from Alice through the looking glass?
I gonna be honest bro you are trying to win a up hill battle on this one
I appreciate the willingness to challenge yourself by trying to "improve" an already great story, but I have my grievances with these changes.
The Wish:
The Wish is not Chekhov's Gun, it's a MacGuffin. It's not some background piece that is nodded at once and then comes back later, it's the central plot device. Closest thing to a Chekhov's Gun in TLW is the Gatito Blade which does make a significant comeback. The Wish on the other hand represents the inherent naivety of the character's desires, which is why the path the map chose for each character was designed to SHOW them why they didn't need the wish. Goldilocks had the cabin that forced her to reflect how much she loved her current family, Puss had the Cave of Lost Souls that forced him to confront the folly of his past lives and put "The Legend" of Puss in Boots into perspective, and Kitty's Abyss of Eternal Loneliness probably would have taught her a lesson about self-reliance or, potentially, that it's okay to take risks in order to trust someone. It's also why Perrito's path was the only easy one, because he had no lessons to learn, and was ironically the only character who wasn't naive enough to think one wish would solve their problems. So by the end of the movie, the only wish to make at the resolution of everyone's character arcs, was for NO ONE to get the wish.
Magnifying Glass:
This item feels like a contrivance without any thematic backing. All of Jack's horde is stolen from the fairy tales he is envious of. Basically all of them (save for maybe the magic staff?) are taken directly from one fairy tale or another, fairy tales the audience is expected to be at least partially familiar with. The magnifying glass by comparison has no history and would be far too plot-critical of an item, not to mention it would open up the door to too many plothole possibilities.
Bears and Hibernation:
I think this is being taken far too literally, personally. The world operates on cartoon logic with talking cats and bears, so I could absolutely believe that Goldilocks would just be able to sleep for 3 months because she was taught how to hibernate. It doesn't have to make physical, biological sense. The idea that she's an orphan who misses out on being nurtured by human parents is far more relatable to the audience. Her not being able to hibernate is not brought up at all despite it being apparent the bears have hibernated before, so bringing it up here seems like inventing a new problem just to invent another contrivance to solve it.
Death vs Jack Horner:
First off, if simply using the magnifying glass to STEAL immortality was always an option on the table, then that cheapens the entire journey Puss was taking to get his lives back. Instead of making the journey to make the wish, he could have just stolen like two things from Horner's collection (two things he obviously values less than wishing star) to get effectively infinite lives.
Moving on from that, having death come BACK after the encounter with Puss feels odd. It's like saying your final farewells to someone you won't see again until your deathbed (hence the line Hasta la Muerte), and then he just comes back in for a sec because he forgot his keys. Narratively awkward.
Moving on to Death's motivation... I can't help but feel you've missed the point. It was only his goal to kill "an arrogant legend who thought he was immortal" in the context of Puss in Boots, who he had seen mock death repeatedly while squandering 8 of his lives. This was something Death took personally, which is why he took action against Puss in the first place. Jack has no such interactions with death, metaphorical or otherwise, and Death suddenly taking an interest now would be completely without buildup (unless, once again, you take his words literally and outside of their context). It also breaks the movie's pattern of having death interact ONLY with Puss in Boots, because Death was a narrative antagonist that Puss and Puss alone had to overcome. He doesn't say a word to - or even looks at - any other character. He is single-minded, and once that goal is off the table, he peaces out. That is all the conclusion he needs.
With scripts I feel like "less is more" is a good adage to operate by, especially in shorter films with more concise stories to tell. Just because something else is possible doesn't mean it's necessary. Unless you're going for a twist (which is not always a good idea depending on your story) then taking the Occam's Razor approach is often best.
while I do like the attempt, Puss' entire character arc throughout the whole movie with Death chasing him just got sidelined with this rewrite - as well as his whole final confrontation with Death, which... was the entire point of the movie. those previous scenes now serve no grander purpose.
Not using the wish sounds to me like the kind of plot event that happens at the start of building the story.
so while I don't think this would really make the movie better, I do think it's a very fun alternative sequence of events. Your logic is very sound and it does tie up a lot of things in a neat package especially Goldielocks and the bears, but I think the semi-personal connection between Puss and Death in this movie is one of it's strong suits and this does encroach on it a bit.
Still, it's a good video, and fun to think about, I just, at least personally, think changing Death's relationship with the plot to be that way wouldn't work out as strongly. But yeah don't take any of this comment as negativity, I enjoyed the video, thank you for making it.
I think the idea of having death be a bigger part of the climax and specifically being more connected with Perrito and Jack would be perfect, if a bit on the nose-
Since it fits with each of those character's themes in the story, with both Death and Perrito sharing the core value that the story aims to teach, of life being precious and something to be valued, while Jack is BOTH their polar opposite, as his complete disregard for any form of life is what makes him such a horrific villain-
Although with Goldie, I think her and the bears' story is too perfectly made and tightly knit to be expanded on-
With the Perrito, Jack and Death idea, you have the outright clashing of the two main ideologies the movie presents between those who waste not only their own lives, but others in the pursuit of something "more", and those who view life as important, you don't really lose anything, you just make the thematic ideas of the movie even more in focus and add at most a few minutes across the movie's run time to devote extra care to building the three of them up in the story more, so that it doesn't feel like it's out of nowhere to the less observant members of the audience, such as hinting at the fact, that similar to how Death is breaking the rules to go after Puss (and later in this version, Jack), also plant the seed that Death may have bent the rules in the past by letting Perrito live when he would otherwise drown. All the subtext and themes are there, just make them more overt and you can basically keep the core soul of the movie intact without harming it any. The biggest issue I see with this plot is that it could potentially take away some of the subtlety of the movie, which is ultimately the movie's biggest strong suit-
I personally wouldn't change anything about Goldie and the bears at all, as you miss out on a lot of the small details by changing the track of where the arc takes them, you lose some of the impact behind Perrito telling Goldie that she "won the orphan lottery", and you also completely erase the downright brilliant but insane detail of the fact that when Goldie reads her story book where she dreamt about her ideal family, the first letter of every line spells out "You already have it" which is INSANE, because it shows how much attention to detail went into this film, and how much you'd miss out if you took out or changed ANY of it-
That's why I think the ideas with Death, Perrito, and Jack would all be much better to implement, as they would only serve to add and expand on what already exists, without changing anything else that may take away from this, by all rights, already perfect and air tight movie-
You even already have ALL the subtext needed to create the connection between Perrito and Jack, and how they relate to Puss' encounters with Death-
From every location on Perrito's map already having double meanings related to death already being in the movie.
(Pockets full of posies being a reference to the nursery rhyme, which in of itself actually has it's origin in the plague. The River of Relaxation is directly a reference to Perrito's own near-death experience, but can also be seen as a reference to the River Styx, which is the river dead souls travel through on their way to the afterlife. And the path of quick and easy solutions being a double meaning for what some may call Suicide.)
Death despises people like who Puss used to be for how flagrantly he wastes his life away, but he would likely also despise someone like Jack even more, who not only wastes his own life, but also the lives of others in pursuit of godlike power, you could even have a cool scene where Death properly shows off his supernatural abilities by having the souls of Jack's dead dozen fight against him, and aiding the heroes in the final climax-
Plus you can acknowledge the fact that while Death despises those who are wasteful with life, he'd also likely be sympathetic, and even have a lot of chemistry with someone like Perrito, who, I don't think it's a coincidence just so happens to be the only other canine in the film, and they both just so happen to have the same philosophy on how life should be lived, and one just so happened to have a near death experience, while the other LITERALLY IS DEATH-
Seriously, NO ONE would complain about a "director's cut" or "alternate cut" of this movie, where it was longer, and they had even more time to build up the core themes of the film and put everyone's favorite characters front and center in the climax of the film-
Don't you think it's sort of...odd? And anti-climatic, that Death chased Puss ALL throughout the movie for having wasted his lives away, and Perrito helped teach him not to anymore-
And in the BIG FINAL CLIMAX-
Death walks away right before it, without so much as saying a word to anyone else-
It's also not like he can't be seen by others, Kitty and Perrito DO see him in Puss's final fight with him, and the creators had the attention to detail to just-
Place Death in the background of scenes where he would be watching Puss-
Imagine if they did that-
But also built up or hid the fact that Death was also following Jack the whole time-
Like have him just be there in the background for a split second during one of Jack's scenes, and then after his final duel/test with Puss, instead of having him walk away-
He just quietly turns, and whistles as Jack enters the final arena, and Jack just asks Death-
"Do I know you?"
And in one scene, we'd have the emotional climax of the bears, Kitty, Puss, and Perrito-
And we both see what happens when someone changes with Puss, and when they don't with Jack-
Because not ONLY, did Jack disregard life carelessly-
He also had his own Perrito-
His own conscience-
And he didn't listen to it, in fact he didn't listen to it SO much, that it's a literal joke how absurdly evil he is, even saying that he was gonna shoot Perrito in the face-
It'd be the ULTIMATE resolution for everyone else, and the PERFECT comeuppance for Jack.
The "Irredeemable Monster" VS all the people he wronged in his life, with the aid of the force of nature that is Death himself.
"-" is not a period. Please don't use it that way. It makes you look like you're rambling and then abruptly stopping to breath, only to begin rambling again.
@@Chameleonred5 I apologize if it bothers you, such as if you have OCD tendencies, but you literally just described exactly what I was doing.
I ramble a lot when I talk about things I'm passionate about, and that's why I let it come through my typing, I'm a very expressive person in regards to how I write, and I won't apologize for that, it's just who I am and how I express myself through text. I will however be considerate enough to acknowledge how I write isn't for everyone, I like long-form, expressive texts to try and get my point across.
I hope this response was more to your taste, as the only hyphen I put in it was in "long-form", I've liked your comment, and I hope you have a nice day.
@@Dmobley9901 I see. It's not OCD on my end. I personally see people's typing as literally how they actually speak, and sort of hear a "voice" when I read. Which... is very in line with what you just said. I usually "correct" people who adopt... let's call 'em "quirks" when writing just because they think it's neat or funny. It mostly just comes off as unpleasant.
I have no desire to change you as a person, and in understanding that the way you type _is_ reflective of that, take back my previous comment. Though I hope you understand if I still find it unpleasant to see. Rambling breathlessness is just not something I personally handle well.
I don't have anything against you, or really anyone online. I hope your day goes well.
Honestly the magnifying glass is a bad idea. Unnecessary (and not supported by fairy tail lore, which is the biggest issue).
Your could easily have someone else make the wish on Death’s behalf.
It could be set up for Perritto as a step in his therapy dog journey. Or Puss in recognizing something he sees in Death.
Heck, you could actually pull an Aladdin 2 and make Jack use the wish. However, in a monkey-paw scenario, it actually makes him the wishing star and imprisons him.
Oh no! Not something unsupported by fairy tail lore! Whatever shall we do?
Maybe it's just because you're describing the plot as a concept (which hasn't stopped me from enjoying your videos in the past, but still), but I really just don't see it. 'MAYBE' the idea of incorporating Death more and wrapping up his story line works a little bit on paper, but I thought that the movie played into the idea that Death could've just been a figment of Puss' imagination until the final fight very well. No one else notices him, and his motivation of hating immortality feels exactly like the anxiety of Puss becoming manifest. It's only when Puss actually fights for his final life that it becomes real, literally halting all the other plots in their tracks. I don't need any more of Death, because when Puss overcomes his fears, he overcomes Death. There's no reason for him to stick around in a meta sense, and Horner wishing for immortality would only elongate the final battle further than it needs to be.
But yeah, your version of Goldi's story just feels too over-complicated for its own sake. If I was reading it in a version of a script, I would note that there's a bit too much fluff. If anything, I think it waters down the emotional weight of making Goldi's mental state clear: if the conflict wasn't as cut-and-dry, then the impact of Mother Bear stepping up for Goldi wouldn't hit nearly as hard. That's the only scene between them I got really emotional at, mainly due to the juxtaposition of philosophy rooted in the value they place in each other. They both value each other a lot, to a point that when one of them is making a bad call, the other will stick up for them, even if they don't deserve it. In your version, there would be no clear-cut answer to solving their problems until after the climax, which is a bit weird since we can just put it back to when Goldi rescues Baby, before even the fight between Puss and Death.
And on top of that, there isn't any need for more of Jack's trinkets, and I think what made them so special are their references to mythology and fairy tales. You didn't outright say what the magnifying glass would be based on, which just makes its relevance to the theme of Jack misusing fairy tale objects feel out-of-place. It would also be the only thing from the bag besides Jimminy Cricket and the bag itself to return to multiple scenes, which might overwhelm an audience member even more than they already might be from several protagonists, several antagonists, several magguffins and several checkov's guns to juggle like clowns.
I will say that the current version of the magnifying glass does introduce a plot hole with Jack not using it to steal magic from one of the many people/animals he killed for his stash, although it wouldn't be hard to work in a throw away line along the lines of Jack saying "It doesn't work on magic though, trust me, I tried...". Other than that, the only real problem I have with the plot as is is that the way it is, we do lose the sick Death vs Puss fight.
The only thing I would add to this is having Death join in the final fight. He wouldn't kill Jack because he's just happy to have taught him a lesson (and so we can keep the movie's age rating the same), but maybe he helps out by blocking Jack's magic trinkets from hitting the heroes. And since he's death incarnate whenever he slashes a trinket, it loses its magic, and maybe he even sees Baby grab the magnifying glass and makes a note of not destroying it since he knows what Baby wants to use it for. This is a minor thing, but I'd also love some kind of interaction between Death and the Phoenix. Like maybe Death recognises the Phoenix as an old friend since while she is immortal she still dies, meaning she still values each of her lives and has met Death numerous times in the past.
The glass feels like a terrible idea
This entire thing is a TERRIBLE idea 😭
Damn, I did not think the ending could have possibly been improved.
Can't wait for your new take on plot.
i LOVE the idea with the magnifiying glass and would be lying if it wasn't the cutest thing i've heard. i'm still iffy on the idea of death getting a wish and feel like there's probably a better way to use it than giving it to death
You're an actual genius. I wish you were a "consultant in storycrafting" or whatever the title. If it ever happens and I start seeing your name put up in posters and promotions of various works that'd be such a guaranty of quality!
Really cool ideas, I enjoyed listening to them! Personally I think the stuff with Goldie is great, but I didn't really have a problem with the wish not being used.
Also Death coming back definitely takes away from the impact of him leaving Puss in the final fight.
So in the end, I definitely don't think this is outright worse than the movie, but it's not a strict upgrade for me either.
Regrardless, just want to say I love when you do these types of videos. I'm sure it takes a lot of effort to come up with this stuff, but it's always really interesting!
Honestly, the impression I got from Goldie is more that she DID have a human family, but was separated from them somehow and the wish is about trying to get that old life back. I thought it was about original family vs found family. Her plot thread was a big vague and confusing for me, and I agree it did not get enough time.
I would just gave Jack the wish then monkey's pawed it by turning him into a djini or something.
I'd say he wish is not a Tchekov's gun, because it being fulfilled is not really interesting in itself and because a Tchekov's gun is useless until used, called back to. The wish as a goal is useful, it's a McGuffin to bring characters into action.
What's interesting about it beyond that is to know what the characters would wish for; but once you do, having it magically fulfilled would not be interesting as an end point, only in another movie as a exploration of its consequences.
Idk about the hibernation thing honestly, a different solution like Goldie still remembering her human family and having some sort of abandonment issues would be a better solution to why she wants a different family, we could even show a scene of he original family leaving her in front of the bears house and that would explains how she stumbled upon some random house in the middle of the woods despite being so young. So now he motivation is not just "they're bears and I'm human" but rather "I want to go back to my 'real' family" or something along those lines and think that feels better than "I get really lonely for 3months a year"
Only problem is how out of place a magnifying glass is as the chosen item, it should be at least something generically magical so it doesn't come off as so arbitrary sticking out like a sore thumb with everything else Jack has
Excellent, a lot better than some of the others I've been a part of. Only point I found weak was Death showing back up at all. If his hand reaches out of the darkness to grab the wish and nothing else. I think it's beautiful if everything simply stays implied and doesn't ruin what he's been set up to be.
At first I was a fan of Goldilocks' new motivation but then I realized something. A lot of the time when people complain about the motivations or this or that character others often quip that "there's dragons/zombies/magic in this world and yet you're complaining about realism?". But the one thing that cannot be unrealistic in any story are the characters, their personalities and their motivations.
So I think it follows that character motivations should be understandable, relatable or at least understandable even at the expense of in-world realism. With the hibernation thing, Goldilocks' motivation is dragged down from that higher understandable plane into a more mundane, "realistic" plane that I think is more of a side-grade, focusing on selflessness and sharing burdens with family instead of prejudices about what a "real" family is like, but more importantly because it's more of a mundane motivation specific to the story world it makes it less relatable, which I think is the biggest weakness of this motivation.
great comment. Think this explains everyone else's reactions to this really well.
Throwing Porrito over the walls feels weird. They feel like you can't leave until the wish is made or broken.
Also, Death coming in to just say one line and leave feels awful. I though you were gonna make him go after Jack now, but he just left.
Damn man, the bit with Goldie Locks and the bears at the end got me to tear up, great job man!
Goldie deserved the orphan background and chip on her shoulder that lewis from meet the robinsons got
While watching the movie I was SURE that Goldie's wish was to become a bear herself. Still think it would have been better. And then the lesson she learns is that you don't have to compromise who you are in order to fit in, because the people who love you do so regardless of if you fit in.
It's ok, but I ultimately think it's unnecessary.
I agree, what's the point of making the wish if it's just going to be used as a plot deviece to defeat the antagonist?
I don't know about disqualifying the baker's dozen from having the wish so easily, I feel like the last one getting and bringing about Jack's downfall would be very fitting and satisfying, and as far as making it someone we're emotionally invested in I feel you could get that from her at least a little bit with maybe one or two minutes of extra screentime, not saying give us her backstory or anything like that, just a few lines showing her emotional state after everything that's happened and maybe a short back and forth in the final fight with one of the other characters that convinces her to change sides in the end, and a line or two about why she's loyal to Jack in the first place, something that's understandable, amkes her sympathetic, and something that would be a big deal for her to turn her back on, so that her betrayal hits harder as it has significant stakes for her too. Now of course you would need to change the one line of Jack making sure she's not chatty before saving her, because this would require she actually talk at some points instead of being too terrified to do so, also I think it would hit best if we didn't get any of this until after she was the last one, or any of it we get before also be mixed in with stuff from the other baker's dozen, which would make them more of character's in their own rights instead of being nameless goons, and thus further emphasize Jack's villainy when he kills them off, as well as not make it obvious what's going to happen with her specifically getting the spotlight for a moment at the end.
Oohh! I really love these changes! Death was my favourite character in Puss in Boots and I love the way you deeply wove his character more deeply into the main story. I was also felt the original ending was a bit anticlimactic and I found yours much more interesting!
I was genuinely surprised you managed to make this work, but that goes to show how you really rose to the challenge!
ok but if you do a death gets the wish reveal you have to do it by hearing him read the rhyme and everybody getting spooked
Seems like a bit of an ex machina for death to show up, also we would miss puss’s fight with him, i thought death would wish for cats to have 1 life or for the legend of puss to be forgotten
A simpler way to give Death the wish is for ripping apart the map to be interpreted as Death claiming the wish, which you could use a little artistic liberty to say the piece the Phoenix destroys looks like a wold with the eyes missing. This would also be a nice detail to say that even if Jack _did_ get that piece he cannot get the wish. I dont think Death should be part of the climax or even that the wishing star should be used in the climax, but if there is a end credits scene where we get the Wolf talking (no visuals or even have this play over the credits). First he says the full phrase to use the wish, but then he says Jack Horner's nursery rhyme. He finishes it, but then continues on with a second verse to mention Jack's desire for the wish, getting the powers of the Phoenix, him becoming part of the starry night sky, and ends off with
*"but even stars die.*
_chuckle_
*Guess I got my wish after all".*
Finally he finishes this piece with the whistle and the rest is silence.
The magnifying glass feels... Kinda clunky but I do agree the wish needed to be fired, it felt anticlimactic to have the wish torn up, like you said.
The magnifying glass just feels like it came out of nowhere but I'm not exactly sure why.
But at the same time I do feel it rounds off Goldilocks arc better as well. She did feel a little lacking.
I also think this is one of the best rewrites because it would cause at most, 15 minutes of extra time, unlike the Avengers one (last one I remember watching) which would've resulted in a 5 hour long movie.
Ahaha. One of the other benefits of reusing plot elements i've found. Takes less time.
If I new I could get guaranteed views, I'd go back and do a lot of those rewrites.
Oh, I think the magnifying glass feels clunky cause its too scientific in a whimsical fairy tale world. Magic mirror probably would have suited the setting better.
@@Uniquenameosaurus in case it wasn't super clear, I was meaning the length of the film wouldn't change too much with this rewrite.
Also yes, Magic Mirror (despite conflicting a little with the Shrek films) does fit a lot better.
It's a pretty good answer
This was really good. You made it so much better. Good job!
I think it's definitely an interesting idea! Especially the sharing hibernation, that's super cute 🥺
I thought Goldie was going to use the wish to save Baby Bear as he was flying away because she already had the wish basically in her hand. That way she gets the perfect bear family she already has.
Tbh, I at first thought the direction you were heading in was Death to wish that cats all have one single life.
When I was watching the movie I was thinking that Goldie's wish would be to find her family to ask them why they abandoned her, and I spent the entire movie thinking perrito was going to die and puss would use the wish to bring him back.
When you said that Death was going to get the wish, I was skeptical at first, because I thought it might undermine his character, but you ended up making it work! Pretty solid video, good job
So here's the thing with Bears, they don't Hibernate, they hivernate..
Basically They just rest but it's not like they actually sleep for 3 months, it's more like they sleep for 14 hours and the rest of the time they go drink a bit, they go on a short and sluggish walk, if they find something to eat, they eat..
Basically they just become super chill,
so for the crime bear family, it would just mean no criminal activity during the winter and just chill together listening to Lofi and drinking hot chocolate..
You know, I was reeeeeally sceptical about this but I really like how you pieced everything together. Also I may have misheard or misunderstood this if you did mention it, but I would love for the same fight between Puss and Death to have happened, only this time with more dynamic things going on since everyone else could be fighting in the background now that Jack Horner isn't immortal anymore.
this will definitely be a challenge and I'll await your answer
Tbh just seems clunky not a bad idea but but it feel weird for death to have his final scene with puss then show back up and then leave again.
Assuming all this happens after the final fight with death, he doesn't really have a reason to come back just for a one liner. You could probably just have him talk to perrito so the audience knows what he did and then have him leave.
The “magic smelling” magnifying glass is a bit weird. Baby could just grab it because he wanted to get it.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the tweaks, but I'm disagreeing with classifying the wish as a Chekhov's gun, or thinking of Chekov's gun as something that builds anticipation that must then be discharged in a climax. That's not what a Chekov's gun is.
The principle behind it has nothing to do with pacing or spectacle, it's about relevance to the narrative.
"Don't point out something that isn't relevant to the narrative. If you point something out, then it must mean something at some point."
The moment the Chekov's gun "discharge" is when it is revealed what the inconspicuous thing that had been pointed out before hand mean and how it impact the narrative.
The wish is in no way a Chekov's gun, since there is no point when it doesn't seem relevant to the narrative, or when a new previously unknown relevance is revealed. it's closer to a MacGuffin something that could be interchanged in the narrative with any other thing as long as it would still represent "The thing that let character accomplish their goal".
Everyone else is out here with problems of Death, or the wish... meanwhile im just thinking to myself, "but theres no magnifying glass like that in any fairy tale"
Tbh, this isn't a bad plot twist, it works really well!
I feel like you fell into the "doing something unexpected for the sake of being unexpected" hollywood trap
- is what I typed halfway through the video, but your tweaks are actually pretty cool.
Though by having Death use the wish and the gang just defeating Jack rids us of the climactic final battle of Puss with Death, where Death realises that Puss has come to terms with being mortal. That wraps the arcs of both Puss and Death and without it, with Puss kinda just saying "eh, I don't need 9 lives anymore" somewhere in the middle of the Jack fight being kinda anticlimactic
The hibernating plot point is pretty cool, but then it clashes with the strong theme of birth family vs found family that is Goldy's arc. And being happy with what you have being the theme of the entire movie. If Goldy is wholly happy with the bears and just wants to spend more time with them, then we don't see the found family motif as much
I thought Goldilocks was going to wish to be a bear.
Me too, buddy, me too.
I'm a bit confused what you mean by the hibernate aspect, bears don't sleep for months on end (school lied to us all)
this was amazing!
Movie needed the fight between Death and Puss
This gave me a whole new outlook on the movie, and I'd be happy with either. (Just a little more with yours❤️)
I feel like the magnifying glass makes Jack's wish useless.
I had a similar Idea with Death manipulating Puss to wish him out of existence (instead of getting back his 9 lives) and being triggered when Puss decides to face him bravely instead..
interesting idea, but unless the magnifying glass is based on some kind of fairy tale or nursery rhyme or something it'd feel a little out of place.
I'm typing this before you reach the part where you say what wish you'd give death, but I think a cool wish, an unexpected but actually logical one, is for him to wish a normal life for himself.
This man doesn’t miss!
I like Goldie's wish being much more than "I want a human family", though the wish Checkov's gun with Death I feel isn't that necessary or may make the movie's end a bit longer than it should be? That's just me, but interesting idea though.
I loved the magnifying glass idea, and I love what you did with it, specifically at the end, my only criticism is that death still needs to have that final fight with puss at the end, but I loved the rest.
Eyy, welcome back boi!!!!
Both tweaks feel... weird. Goldie's problem with bear's hybernation is never fully resolved. I understand that it's basically what happened in the movie, but when the problem is more abstract, like just wanting a "proper" family, when she's challenged on what that means for her she realises she already has it. Whereas with the hybernation problem, with which she would have dealt for most of her life, she just decides to deal with it a little more? And then you end up having a new magical mcguffin that's not the wish fix it. Feels weird, Goldie finally understanding how much her family means to her already has enough impact, and the additional conflict of hibernation feels like diluting it for no good pay off.
Death stuff was pointed out in other comments, feels weird to have him battle Puss, then leave, then come back for like a single thing and then leave again.
And the mcguffin of stealing property of other stuff with no restrictions is way too powerful, he wouldn't need the wish at all if he had it.
I think with more tweaking you could make these ideas work, but not the way you presented them in the video. Btw love your videos, they pretty much always make my day!
I think the hibernation aspect, while interesting, isn't as emotionally fulfilling as what the movie went for. The bear family talking about hibernation so much would just make me wonder why they're so dead set on that aspect of bears and they're not focusing on who they are as a family.
Nah bro. Way off the mark here. I understand trying to dig deeper onto Goldie but the hibernation thing sounds way too childish. The whole point of her arc is that it was a childish insecurity that she let fester and made her blind to what she already had. Death doesnt interact with anyone else because hes comming to kill Puss. Not teaching a lesson. He ended up teaching him a lesson because he, as he puts it “played with his food.” So he would never interact with Perrito or anyone else and he definitely wouldnt come back to teach Jack a lesson. He would come back to kill Jack and then you’d either have to let him kill or you’d have to make some dumb plot point as to why he wouldnt kill him. Neither would be as satisfying as Jack dying because he antagonized everyone he ever met. Also everything in his nanny pack was from a fairy tale or fantasy setting. I dont know if you got that magnifying glass from a fairy tale but if you did you didnt say. And if you didnt then it wouldnt have a place in the movie. Also even if it was from a fairy tale it would have wayy too many uses and people would shred it to threads. “Why didnt he just take death power? Why didnt he just fly away?” Yadda yadda. Its not a good plot device, sorry to say. Ultimately as you said the movie is about appreciating what you have and the lack of wish is refreshing because through the entire movie you expect the wish to be used one way or another. They subverted expectations with the main moral of the story. Its honestly perfect. If, in your own words, you try to put out a message of non violence but then use the gun to kill the bad guy in the end, you’d be trying to have your cake and eat it too. That would only cheapen the message and make people wonder why they even bothered watching this hypocritical preachy shit.
Your ideas werent horrible but they distract too much from the main goal. I’d take the original plot every single time. Good on you for tryina challenges like this though. I love your star wars rewrites so dont be discouraged from trying again.
Initially didn't like Death getting the wish, since he's a Force of Nature villain, and(supposedly) wishing away all immortality wouldn't make sense for a character so dead-set on Puss.
But you managed to surprise me. Death taking away Jack's immortality seems somewhat in-character, since it's aimed solely at one person rather than everyone to exist.
I wouldn't say it makes the movie better, but it's a cool alternative ending.
If you were to ask me, I'd say the last of the Baker's Dozen gets the wish and uses it on Jack, either after fumbling(i.e "I wish Jack had all the *magicians* in the world") or a change of heart. Either way, he now uses the wish to his benefit(i.e. grabbing a few magicians and squeezing them like water guns, or everyone in the scene(excluding Death, the last baker and Goldilocks) can't hurt Jack Horner because the wish was that "Magic couldn't affect him". Then, the last baker dies before Jack is defeated.
I think it’s a decent enough idea, the movie as a whole just doesn’t super have time for it. Given the sheer amount of moving parts, I don’t know it could have another major mechanic added and still feel cohesive.
Plus the death vs puss fight would suck to lose
Also also: in a fairy tale land, death removing all immortality/multiple lives things would probably have wider ramifications
I kinda figured Death was gonna be the wisher but i didn't figure out how and you did a great job!
Went to the comments to see how people thought of this, only to realize no one has really had a chance to fully finish watching the video lmao.
I suppose to put my two cents; I think this is quite the creative and great small change to the movie that honestly emphasizes to be just a bit better than it already was. The story line with Goldy felt a little bland for me when I watched it and having just a bit more behind it would really bulken it enough to where it's not overwhelming [with all the characters] but not dull either. Truthfully though, I do still think the idea of her wanting another family should still be in there? Or at least the "because I'm not a bear", but I prefer you explanation as well.
I think something along the lines of "I'm not a bear, I can't hibernate, I can't make friends, I have no fuzz to keep me warm, I'm stuck here in a lonely forest with no one. In the end I'm human, I'm not like you. And I want a real family". Perhaps worded differently, but enough to still mesh the two concepts together. With the hibernation being a huge main focus most likely, but the "human and bear" thing still being vocalized as well. Maybe we get a viewing of all the hardships she had to go through when they were hibernating. Since it would be winter and gathering food for herself with barely any warmth would probably be traumatic in some way [especially to a little girl].
So instead of her looking at the book to see her reading back on it with them. Instead we see her desperately reading it as she's huddled in a corner with a logs she couldn't light up in the fireplace. Cold, trembling, and covered in blankets. With the book the only thing to keep her going. And seeing a happy family work together and be so caring and loving for one another. Probably made her feel like the bears were never really 'there for her'. Despite her never opening up about these struggles. Maybe even lashing out that "well you're just bears! Bears that were never there for me, but if you were human maybe you would have been"
I dunno, I don't write stories well. But in the end, I think your interpretation of everything was amazing as always. I always eat these videos up. Even for the series that I haven't even watched once. I just love hearing your perspective and storytelling insperations. Thanks again for the new and wonderful video, keep up the great work!
You need to mark when Death fights Puss in this scene. I was waiting until you’d specify but it never was mentioned. I think instead of Death leaving, you could have him stay after Jack was defeated, and then say something along the lines of: “And now to take out the other immortal *PRICK.”*
I feel the wish is more of a maguffen then checkoff gun
Honestly awesome idea
I do really like these changes. The goldilocks wish feels like it actually makes those characters logically work a lot better. I feel neutral about the introduction of the magnifying glass, but I think it's interwoven pretty well with it having a useful introduction and a great use at the very end with the bears.
The one issue I have now is that Puss' fight with death seems to lack some of the same punch. It is now kind of muddied amidst the fight with the other dude whose name I am immediately forgetting. I think the film already slightly struggled with interweaving these scenes since they're all happening together during the climax. Then again, maybe it would work better without a confrontation. With Puss realizing the value of life taking Death's target off of him.
Maybe Puss is shown risking his life for his friends and death realize he's no longer just living for himself and thumbing his nose at death. It's serious and not just an amusement park ride for him. And as such, there's just no need to have them fight. You could argue this is its own unsatisfying payoff since they fought earlier and Puss lost, but honestly, I think it works to make the resolution of Death vs Puss non-combat focused.
My only complaint about the magnifying glass is that it's not and object from a recognizable fairy tale or legend like the other magic tools in Jack's bag. If their is a story with an object that does something similar that would make it perfect.
The twist i always thought was coming was that noone gets the wish *alone*. That instead of ripping the map apart, they'd all just use up the wish to become mad rich.
Could've been used to show that "you have to solve your personal problems yourself instead of relying on external power" =/= "you should live a life of abstinence", hammering down that they all now want to enjoy life (esp. puss) and that they can best achieve this together.
I thought it was a great improvement tbh, I think you're very good at improving upon a work without taking away from what the audience valued in said work
This would sorta lose out on puss and death's final fight, which i think is important for showcasing Puss' growth over the movie
This feels like a lot of work just to reach one moment, to the point it feels a little contrived. At first I thought you were building to something like "Death wishes the very concepts of multiple lives and immortality away," something that would've had huge ramifications and been in line with his motivations while not being so huge it breaks the plot, and not requiring an entire new macguffin subplot to make work.
I also, at first, thought Death should have wished for so, but truthfully, the way Death is portrayed in the movie shows him as a composed person who's just doing his duty - even if he has his opinions about it.
I think this portrayel of Death wouldn't think he has any right to wish for everybody to have only one life.
If this were executed well and a scene given to death where you can derive this logic, I think it would be a bit more convincing than what this guy was proposing.
Oooooh, I really enjoyed this movie so I was interested to see your take. I agree that Goldi's plotline was a little lacking and the wish not being used was a bummer. Not entirely sure with the exact events you laid out. There's no final Death fight? Which is important because Puss only survives because he put away his pride when kitty shaved him, she gave him the knife, and he used that to counter Death, showing Puss' growth. And all of Jack's weapons/items come from different fairy tales, so the magnifying glass would have to originate from one too to fit that design choice.
But all in all, I like this