The Death Row Prisoners Suffering From Severe Mental Illness
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2024
- VICE News looks at high rates of severe mental illness among America's death row prisoners. Are we executing the "worst of the worst," or some of the country’s most vulnerable?
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Their victims are suffering from permanent death.
Everyone suffers from permanent death? why do you need to put permanent before death?
U could just use a revive spell, also what som dem were innocent
Whos victims?
The thing is …at least these prisoners kind of know when they gonna die .. where as we dnt know when our death will come .. but it defo will come defo…
@@gregorycook5305 “murder” and “death penalty”?
Even if someone is mentally ill, if it causes them to brutally kill people, that person should never be released.
You missed the point entirely.
If anything, that’s another great reason to never release them…
@@kovy689 No one is talking about releasing anyone in the video
@@KLienne Wasn’t talking to you…
I agree with you yet in keeping a person who is mentally ill in prison for life versus the death penalty seems like a conundrum because either way tax payers will pay the price for either outcome. It makes me wonder, despite the crime committed that sentenced that person to the death penalty, does their execution cost less than housing them in prison for life? Others could question and wonder - what do tax payers get out of spending money on a person who should never be free?
The gaslighting by the criminals is crazy like they the victims
I’m so sick of them being portrayed as victims.
And liberal white women fall for it
Frr mam
Cry more.
@@aliceglado they're all still on death row where they belong bro, we're happy, you the one crying
No excuse to drown a child , attempted to murder two more , brutal murdering their mother. He remembers all that, I expected otherwise..Damn he should never be released! RIP victims 🕊️🕊️
Ikr this lady acting like he is a saint. All the top comments are like nah this guy deserves to be there lol.
God shows us mercy EVERYDAY.
Well he might have a mental illness, that’s could be why he did those murders a mind problem
The human brain is honestly terrifying.
And why do we care
Yes yes yes yes
@@bradygamess Speak for yourself bud, you need to change "We" to "I"
@@codyjohnson2821 Why do you care?
Are we really more than just mammals. Maybe the most disciplined, the smartest, so we are allowed to control ourselves through our intelligence, but yes we don't have full control, but we all try
Some of these inmates are EXTREMELY MANIPULATIVE.
Vice reporters are ripe for manipulating
Exactly.
...and some are EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL.
...which is why we need to learn to tell the difference. It's essential that we understand everything we can about the link between mental disorders and violent crime.
@@clicheguevara5282 Sometimes they are both. Have you ever considered that? Then what?
@@clicheguevara5282an excuse used to justify/excuse abhorrent behavior rather than take responsibility fir one's actions.
That Jury who kept that Monster from Walking in the Daylight again were HEROES.
So we should base our judicial system off of our emotions?
@soccerguy325 the definition of a hero is someone who has made an ethical decision despite the difficulty.
@@benjaminfranklin8412 I don't care what the definition of a hero is. What I care about is how we engage with our criminal justice system. We don't need "heroes" to dole out punishment.
Yawn.
I'm your 183rd like. Lets get this to 200 :)
As someone who has a mother with schizophrenia it’s all about the medication and support they have around them. It truly makes such a big difference. When my mom was locked away it was very sad hearing the stories of people’s families who basically had given up on them. It’s like walking by a rabid animal and not even acknowledging it just letting it suffer.
Playing victim when you the perpetrator is crazy
This is fiction. Did you check if anyone there has the body parts required to play?
@@bunk95 who cares if it's fiction or not i stand by what i said😅😅
Educate yourself on mental illness
You can be in prison and be innocent. You can defend yourself and kill someone and still tried and convicted.
@@thepurplevelvet “thanks for [the story],” Jeff Tweedy.
So he’s mentally ill, but he tried to leave no witnesses? Got it !
Bunch of bullsh!t
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They only have this so called mental illness when they are in the process of committing a murder. Any other time they are sane.
To me real mental illness is when you walk out in the middle of the freeway during rush hour but these people have enough since not to do that but not enough since not to commit murders.
Well how many ppl does he have to kill before you say he has a mental illness
Knew exactly what he was doing.... miss me with the sob story....
Just started this and it already feels very inmate friendly. If you've ever been in a prison and seen the kinds of people locked up, you would absolutely know that they're in the right place. Mental illness is not an excuse for murdering anyone.
This lady is always on the inmates side
Of course it is. One look at that lady and the short hair and you know she’s a commie. 😎✌🏻
Exactly, as a former CO people like her and this idealistic mentality is why I left. She is living in a dream world
I'm constantly in Prisons. It depends on the prison. My grandmother's older brother was in prison for life for a double murder. A crime of passion. The only reason they didn't fry him was cause he took out two other blacks, so being in the south, they didn't see it as such a bad thing. He did them a favor. He definitely deserved to be in prison, but there are people there that are falsely accused and then there are some that are there for smaller nonviolent things.
I have clients that were in for attempted murder or manslaughter that now that they are out are better behaved then people who have never been in at all. I would say that for me, I need an already documented history of mental illness. Just saying it because they are no realizing the gravity of what they have done isn't quite enough for me. I would have to do more research.
It wouldnt be a very interesting show if she just had 30 second interviews where she told everyone "You're a monster, die." She plays devil's advocate because these are important topics and the discussion is just as important. Maybe there are lessons we can learn from these cases to prevent future tragedy
I don’t like that the protester used the words “legally lynched” when thousands INNOCENT Black Americans and Native Americans were murdered by lynch mobs. I don’t think the word lynched should be used in that way.
I agree 100%
The pastor that appeared is Jeff Hood, he has his own agenda.
i get it, but they are using it as a way to say “state sponsored murder”
@@alw_9911 you said it better.
@@alw_9911 I understand that is what they meant. innocent people have definitely been put to death by the state. I don't support the death penalty. I don't know why, but the used that protester used just didn't sit right with me for this situation. It's complicated I guess.
Mental illness is NOT a justifiable excuse for what he did.
Agreed! I hate that some ppl believe that’s a justifiable excuse.
Mental illness as it's portrayed being prevalent, like anxiety, ptsd, depression, and so on are a hoax.
Is anyone saying it is?
Literally nobody (Himself included) is saying that Jesus did you even watch the video ?
@@jman0022just ignore the politician defending him lmao
I suffer from severe mental illness. I've lost touch with reality, heard voices, experienced hallucinations... there's no excuse for murdering innocent victims. You want to SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE this? MAKE MENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION MANDATORY IN K-12 ED. Make access to EFFECTIVE mental health resources available to ALL. And if you see something/hear something that your gut says, "Whoa, that's OFF..." SAY SOMETHING.
thank you, please stay safe
We don't need mental education, we need access to mental care. Lack of access to medicine costs lives.
Very true if more people were educated on what could happen to them in the future instead of just being immature in school. I think that could help kids be more understanding of others too, very much a win win for society. If we were taught about it than someone having something happen to them could realize whats happening instead of hurting others.
@@cancerino666We need both in my opinion someone may not know to seek out care and think the way they're living is normal and not realize a better life is possible for them
Or maybe adults and parents who work with children should be educated on mental illness because that would reach a lot of possible jury members and allow people to identify early signs, though most people don’t develop it until they are grown up. So…
G Green was given antipsychotics, allowed to leave within 4 days and couldn't afford to continue the prescription and committed his crimes within a month, also after being told he was being divorced. That probably made him more dangerous.
They can not take rejection. Black femicide happens every 4.8 hours due to inability to move on, being told no/take rejection, and domestic violence.
EVERY 1.75 HRS NOW.
The lady who did the interviews did such a good job. She's very kind, compassionate, & professional.
Do men that cut their child's heart out and kill their wives deserve "compassion" or "kindness"? I mean think of the sentence you just typed out lol, are you completely disconnected from reality ?
She did a good job, but at the same time I feel like she casts the criminals like they are the true victims. I feel sorry for people that have mental illness, but it absolutely can not ever be acceptable to use it as an excuse for killing. The people who did not get to speak at trial, and the people who did not get to speak during this VICE episode, are the victims. We don't get to hear how they suffered as they were dying, and we don't get to hear their side of the story. I was in favor of capital punishment before watching this, and after watching this, my opinion has not changed, nor will it ever.
Put yourself fully in the position of a victims family, would you really be impressed? It was uncomfortable, not great reporting and the subject was made vague - not clearly about the death penalty, methods used, or prevention of mental illness. Nearly all inmates have a history of it or some trauma, victims need compassion too. The son of the woman GG killed works to raise awareness of the signs of domestic abuse.
@@petef.4361 She probably didn't see the murder scene, the bodies or the toll on the families. I'm not in favour of corporal punishment but couldn't guarantee I wouldn't feel like taking that kind of revenge if it was my child or mother.
@@H-youtube7 Your comments are valid and very fair, and I do see the points you are making. After watching some more VICE episodes with this particular reporter, she does seem to skew to one side of the story, and she certainly could do a better job at showing all sides.
Her son is brave for speaking on camera about it
Ya
There’s a documentary about this case (I think on Amazon Prime?), and he participates in that as well
Bro ripped out both his eyes. Now that’s crazy af. AND ATE ONE OF THEM👀😨
Nasty work
Reading this grossed me out, oml. That is HORRIFYING
Oooweee 🤦🏾♂️
Yes !! 😮 really insane that people could even do such things smh
@@v.g7279RIGHT, maybe he’s not human
This man who drowned his step daughter I have heard the interview of one of the children he was trying to kill .The murderer was saying to the boys he tried to kill " your mother cheated on me ,Why should I let you live ."
I live in Dallas and remember the case involving Gary Green. He deserves his death sentence in every since of the word. What he did was the most horrific thing imaginable.
drowning a child to death is beyond evil.
@@chipwilliams6236hmm
As someone who knows someone who was killed by a person with mental illness I can say the system failed everyone.
Nobody wants to talk about how the health care system is beyond repair and for people with mental illness it’s basically impossible to do anything. The only people that benefit are the very few who actually respond well to the antidepressants doctors shove down our throats every day and become dependent on. There’s no such thing as getting to see a therapist that k owns what they’re doing unless you have the money to pay for a good one, otherwise the lower class/poor therapists that are offered are glorified guidance counselors
This 👆
@@Astro_Samalmao be honest with yourself most don't take their meds or don't give them time to work, they use drugs, and they try to self Medicate and act like doctors aren't doing anything. Most of it is on us to take better care of ourselves. Proper nutrition, sleep, etc. People are just shitty.
Same thing here in the UK.
Best statement here
Notice when he chose to do it…When she filed for divorce! How convenient 🙃 He didn’t try to do it before that🙃🙃
Exactly and i watched this story on Evil Lives Here, he killed the mom and little girl out of jealousy/insecurity, he was not her bio dad and she had a close relationship with her own dad who was still very involved in her life😢
Mentally weak people are easy to break
My problem is..,...WHY THESE WOMEN ,(MANY HAVE KIDS ALREADY) IN THESE RELATIONSHIPS ALWAYS PUT THEIR KIDS IN THESE SITUATIONS.....
@@user-zr3jv6bt5j probably because they cant see the future?
@@aaa-hs3it Maybe they could do background checks.....You think 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe .......just a thought.........But,if you , yourself let people into your house that your perogative..... Stay safe
Bro really sitting there acting like he's the victim. Unbelievable.
Who feels sorry for a murderer that's mental all in itself
it's not about feeling sorry for them, or excusing what they did, it's about understanding the so many reasons (sometimes severe mental illness) that may drive the person to do such horrific things. obviously, these people deserve to be punished, but there are so many layers and reasons why this occurs. if there wasn't, we wouldn't have criminals.
To sociopaths like you.
I do
if a person is acting OUTSIDE of their rational mind, and is controlled by forces that they themselves cannot control - then yeah, of course I feel sorry for them. What's so hard to understand about that?
So killing doesnt bother them but getting a punishment does ? Cry me a river
Exactly
A big wide river! Such bs
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Exactly
This dude is a bad example. Theres documentaries about what he did. People always call these dudes on death row "monsters" but this guy really is. I about choked on my dinner when i saw who shes interviewing.
right, now he talking some mess
Me, too. If I remember correctly, the little girl he drowned had a disability.
Guys I went to high school with one of the boys and I didn’t know then what I know now about his upbringing and challenges in life he went through , he was so bright radiating high vibrations I never would’ve guessed this happened to him if I wasn’t a true crime detective .. happy to know that he didn’t take they joy!
I used to work in a unit for inmates who were criminally insane. The one thing I learned, is in these days and times, you have to have a strong thinking brain. Mental illness goes untreated in the country.
My 4 1/2 yr old grandson was murdered by Darriynn Brown who sits in a Texas psychiatric hospital right now as I’m typing this. He apparently has schizophrenia but, being the victim’s family member, we haven’t seen the proof. I would like to see the proof. How many times had he been hospitalized? What treatment was he receiving? Why are we kept in the dark about it? He stabbed Cash to death and left him lying in the streets of Dallas on May 15, 2021. The nanny cam video of the initial kidnapping is all over the internet. We want answers. This guy tried to kidnap a girl just a few months prior. Why was he not in a mental institution? We need long term care facilities for the mentally ill so that some of these tragedies can be avoided. The families of the severely mentally ill need help. I have an adult son with schizo-affective disorder and it is horrible. I’ve tried everything to get him help or to have him committed to a facility but it is impossible. It can’t legally be done for longer than 72 hrs. They just give him boat loads of medication and then leave me to care for him 24/7 with no help. I can see these tragedies from both sides. The break in the system is there is no access to adequate care for the mentally ill (no legal way to have them committed long term) nor is there help for the families who are doing everything they can to care for them.
I have a daughter with the same disorder and I agree the system is broken.
I am so sorry for all of the loss, on all levels. You deserve to know this information, as it's pertinent to the case and serving justice. I also have an adult child with the same issues and the law prevents me from helping them, while the state prevents them from helping themselves. It's also happened to a life long friend with her adult child as well, who ended up serving time. While serving time her daughter was denied medication and my friend had to fight for months to have her placed in a facility that would allow her medication. The reason the crime was committed in the first place is because she wasn't taking her meds. Which is quite common. Can you afford a private investigator, or have access to law libraries? If you can't afford help I would suggest setting up a go fund me type account to hire someone. If you do, please leave the link here and I will donate. Rest in peace to your beautiful grandson.
I have schizoaffective disorder. I don’t think I’m that of a liability. I hallucinate constantly. Sounds like your son is a brat and find whatever little excuse he has for his mental illness. Good that you want him psych ward but the point is to get better
🥺 very sorry
The only real illness they got is psychopathy. And if you got no emotions you easily use that space to mimic other mental disorders. I remember this case about the hill side strangler who saw on tv while in prison a documentary about mulitple personality disorder and he tricked everybody for some time into thinking he got it. Even one well known doctor wrote a long documentation about his illness and then the murderer just said "ok sry I made it up".
Man: plucks out and eats his own eyeball. Texas: but did you eat both?
He ate one
let him live with you.
@@xreediculousx we’re not talking about who he lives with. We’re talking about whether he lives or dies.
@@donnellcorbett7077 apparently that didn’t make him mad enough..
@@tomatofaceddisgracelet him live with you
I am from Scotland and I'm respectfully against the death penalty, but the one thing I do not understand is why due process takes so long.
So that an innocent person isn’t executed
@@holahovito11 naw, 20 years plus, naw... I've heard that in some prisons the inmates commit murder because the regime is less strict on death row and they know that they are still going to be alive for quite a long time.
@@holahovito11yet they've done that before. Doesn't seem to be working well.
Sweaty socks 🧦 who care what a jock thinks ffs
My mother (in the UK) wrote to a man on death row for about twenty years before he was executed. Whether or not a person is or was mentally ill the system is barbaric and I know my mother was one of the only compassionate human contacts the man had in his whole life
Cruel to have him wait for 20 years.
By the time of this video, Gary Green has already been executed
Justice 🎉
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Justice. Lots of us survived torture. By a repeat offender.
@@pennyc11 I’m not gonna say he didn’t deserve it but the rest of the world still looks at us like we’re Neanderthals with our approach to capital punishment
@@mantistoboggan2599 Exactly - would never happen in Denmark or any other western country in Europe. Belarus is the only European country who still have the death penalty. First of all, death penalty is not an option - because the system would be considered no better than the criminal. Death penalty doesn't belong in a modern society. Next, people with severe mental illness who are psychotic in the moment of their crimes, should be treated for their mental illness and sentenced to lifelong treatment if serious crimes. It is possible to distinct between psychosis and manipulative behavior. Actually we are quite good at that, the US too, among other things using malingering tests. I think the worst thing in the US system is the failure not to give people proper treatment - it's a huge failure. Way too primitive for a western country.
In the end. He needs to face the consequences of his actions. Mental illness or not. A crime is a crime.
1000%
Exactly,but most female with kids don't want to b alone
Not according to the constitution.
@WLDB well. Even if he fights for clemency. It will be denied. Because he has caused so much devastating impact on the victim and the victims children. In the end, he needs to own up to his crimes and take accountability. He is really not a victim at all. He is considered a menace to society.
How would you like it if you had a mental health issue, committed murders and now no1 has sympathy for you, think about it bro
I have absolutely no empathy for monsters.
I have no empathy for your kind
@@aliceglado I like your spirit, but maybe we should not let these people drag us down to their level..?
nobody asked you to have empathy. the rest of the world does not care about you, or your narcissistic "look at me" bullshit.
That first man doesn’t have a mental issue, he has an accountability issue
Master manipulation is not a mental illness
Oh wow ... My wife is a Dr of Psychology, previously a clinician and criminologist who now advises governments world wide.
No professional could come to your conclusion from a video news report ... and frankly, neither can you.
Let's face facts here for you, you know nothing about mental illnesses. So maybe cease posting such utter dross.
@@captainblacktooth371where’s the ACCOUNTABILITY 👎🏾
@captainblacktooth371 nope, he's just evil and full narc, among other disorders... is what is
What are your credentials?
People seem to think that being found not guilty by insanity means they walk free. This couldn’t be further from the truth. These individuals often never see daylight again. Criminally insane facilities are often worse than prison.
You know you make a good point, I think we always assume this because of the old eat poop in court to avoid jail thing.”
But we rarely get into the actual punishments.
Now are you certain these guys never get let off ? I’m not an expert on the matter
Hello! Forensic nurse here that works with NGRI’s(in my state it’s called :Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity). So, many of the people I serve have committed anywhere from very minor felonies(petty theft, A&B on family, drug related issues, a few with more serious crimes) and honestly the majority of them it was their first offense and if they just served time in jail, they may have already been released by now. Most times, if they do end up being released, they are on “conditional release status” which can last the entirety of the rest of their lives, meaning that at anytime they can be readmitted to a state hospital for as ever long as the court seems fit.
Another thing is that after you serve your full sentence in jail, you are released without papers(aka no parole). So they can freely live where they want, move to another state or country, while many NGRI’s have to ask permission to do most things.
I was lookin for this comment.
I got diagnosed with schizophrenia and I never killed or raped anybody I do not have much violent behavior in my history but I did destroy some property at my parents house and now I don't have my gun rights anymore, something that would normally be a standard right for any normal person if they chose to exercise that freedom. I also doubt I could ever get off medication without things becoming much worse for me so I have to deal with the many side effects caused by the medication while at the same time I have developed a high tolerance to the therapeutic, mentally stimulating, qualities of the medication. Also about 95 percent of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes and I doubt I could ever quit them. And just the people that I met in the mental health system all turned out to be toxic after they had already worked themselves into a entanglement with my life. Dead end friends. Some sane, normal, productive in society type people seem to understand me and that helps me but others will have nothing to do with me because of the stigma. And did I mention that my entire adult life has turned out nothing like I would've ever imagined after going through mental health but it is what it is so I gotta make the best of it. The disability checks aren't much and are a fixed income. Having a mental illness has its struggles in a variety of ways whether it leads a person to engage in inappropriate behavior or not. We used to just lock everyone up who had mental problems until we realized that doesn't work. And it's not like anyone ever did a scan of my brain, I am schizophrenic because of exhibiting bizarre behavior and from how I told my doctor I felt.
As a mental health therapist i can honestly saw that the system is completely broken and often fails everyone. Until we start taking mental health seriously, meaning that mental health professionals are paid substancially better, things are not going to change. I see a lot of really great therapists leaving the field altogether simply because they cant afford to feed their family on the salary.
taking mental health seriously i translate that to pay more taxes. Whos gonna pay for that?
@@devdr8983 Well the government would obviously need to be the one to take action. Our taxes as grossly misused, take some of that money we are already paying and give therapists a fair wage for the work we do.
@@lpbbinc do you even know how big of a debt your government has???
@@lpbbinc do you know how big of a debt your government has?
@@devdr8983 Yes I do. That's why I proposed reallocating funds toward mental health - not spending more.
For someone who suffers from mental illness I can say is scary. In my case, I attempt to end my life twice. Unfortunately for these people they tried and succeed to end other people's life. My case and their case is the same. No difference.
These people shouldn't be release but receive treatment in prison, instead of death penalty.
And countries should invest in mental health issues for their citizens to avoid this cases.
That dude clearly described himself as needing help before he comitted the murders. That means AT THE TIME he was aware of his state. Totally competent to stand trial.
one might argue that his recognition of need for help in fact moreso affirms that his mental state was in fact compromised such that the condition of 'mens rea' cannot, in that mental state, be met.
I guess under religious law it's justified.
A whole part of schizoeffective disorder is experiencing delusions. As in not being able to tell whats real and whats not. I know someone who suffers from it. It's not just something your brain flags in that sort of way if you've never had the experience of really understanding and labeling it for what it actually is.
So if you’re drunk…
And I ask you if you’re drunk and you say yes
And then I ask you can you drive and you say yes
Do I let you drive?
Moreover can I say in court you were “competent”?
You still know wrong from right. I have asked for help many times in my paranoid state. You dont want it to go that far that you dont know what you are thinking, doing, feeling, it can be minuts, hours, days. Its so different
Mental illness may be a cause of crime, but it is never an excuse
...just don´t blame the perpetrator of the crime. blame the illness. and deal with the situation in the best way possible.
Well if itz a mental illness then thier is no excuse is there ? 😮🤦♂️
@@sublime_death_1789tgere are schizos who dont kill
@@sublime_death_1789it’s still no damn excuse, nor does it make it any better. Those innocent babies didn’t even have the chance to grow up, it’s not our job to play god. So regardless if you have a mental illness or not, if you take a life then you should lose your life!! 😢
not always sometimes it is the very reason a crime was commited but ic what your getting at
Sometimes there IS no excuse. When you are evil, you are evil. Call it anything you want. Facing the death penalty would cause anyone mental illness.
This made me emotional as my father has schizoaffective disorder and it just made me think about how lucky I was to have made it. But at the same time, about how there’s a difference between mental illness equaling evil/wrong doing versus just who you are as a person and knowing deep down that something is wrong and that is what prevents you from committing a terrible act. I always felt very loved by my father but it still created many difficulties and trauma to this day.
1) Do you know right from wrong?
2) Did you know murdering that little girl was wrong?
3) Did you know murdering her mother was wrong?
3) Did you try to conceal your crime and why?
If you answered yes, you're eligible for the death penalty
You clealry didnt watch the video nor understand how mental illness works.
If someone said no to the first three questions, and then said yes to the fourth, I feel like they probably knew it was wrong but lied. People wouldn't conceal a body if they didn't consider it to be wrong, unless I guess they view it as legally wrong but not morally wrong.
Thank u
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b I agree.
Perfectly explained! 💯
“After the murders…”, - “he killed everyone including the children, some survived.”.
What are we talking about here? If he’s struggling, and having mental issues we have to help him. Is there anyway to speed up his execution date?
Ohh lort 😅
Exactly
Just say you don't understand mental illness.
what happens if the person doesn't or isn't able to understand that the accused is able to understand that they are being sentenced to death did you watch the whole video this is talked about? there is also a lack of psychological services clearly in Texas and understanding about mental illness. It helps to step out of an eye for an eye mentality.
Imagine watching this whole video and still being too thick-skulled to understand the point.
My 25 yr old son has mental illness he spends most of his time in jail I tried to help him as a child but nothing ever worked he’s currently doing 7 years for shooting at a house with a rubber bullet gun while he was out on release before sentencing for a prior charge.. it’s difficult
As someone who deals with 3 mental health disorders, I haven’t killed anyone. There’s no excuse for that. A life for a life!💯
Agreed! 👏
It's about how the severity interacts with what you use to support yourself
Probably on your "TO DO" LIST
thank you,dovebar,,you understand..
You just haven't reached your breaking point yet.
People are failing to see that the focus is on preventative mental illness not that the they are trying to justify the crime. We need to focus more on preventing issues like this instead of waiting till theres a problem then looking for a solution.
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This everyone is choosing to be dense rn
Imagine thinking you can “prevent” creeps.
We haven't really changed how we deal with it for 100 years. Some say bring back the 1950s mental health help not knowing any new advice
@@famousmortimer7933 there deluded evil is evil. meds and mental health propaganda aren't going to do nothing but get more people addicted to hard drugs.
My family has schizophrenia running rampant throughout our bloodline. Siblings, aunts, nieces, nephews. I would give my life for ANY one of my family members to avoid them being in this situation. I know we as a society don't have the solutions yet, I just wish we could stop hating those who are sick 😢
Their logic is what makes THEM so dangerous
Sorry for the victims 😢
Why don't they interview and advocate for the victims families? The victim didn't have a chance
Agreed.
Foh They’re biased a lot of them don’t even believe in the death penalty until something happens to their family and then they’re all for it🤡😆🤣😂
Because people keep excusing the killers like unaware children
@budgonstopCANYELO Their ignorant selfish narcissistic minds can't see past their own bllsht.
I feel real bad for his sons that survived. How awful 😢
If I were on death row I'd be pulling the mental illness card as well
Only in America there are people that will find an excuse for those who have done the most inhumane things imaginable to people
Exactly! United stupid of America
You clearly know nobody with these severe mental issues.
After 100 years of seeing cases like this u get used to it and come up with mew advice to help that has never been used before
@@KingZealotTactics its not real thats maybe why only people in large countries are getting drugged and tricked into believing there ill and accepting the label
If he has these issues, he is too dangerous to be free
I’ve never killed anyone. But when I was in school the counselor told my grandmother that I likely had ADHD and that she should take me to a doctor about it. She believed what the counselor said but OUT RIGHT refused to take me. She believed that any diagnosis would follow me for the rest of my life and become a barrier for things like jobs and schools.
Which is a shame. I’m sorry you experienced that
The same happened with me, but with depression/bipolar. My mother thought a diagnosis would be a hinderance for future prospects. It wasn't until the school forced my mom to take me to counseling after I tried hanging myself in a school bathroom(and to be honest yes, I did it for attention because I was begging for help and nobody was doing anything, so I thought if I was caught trying to kill myself it would force action)
Wow a lot of parents think this way instead of getting them the help they need
Parents are failing their children all the time. Many parents secretly hold their children in contempt. They have children for narcissistic reasons. One in 5 ppl have NPD supposedly.
Parents are willfully ignorant. They also covertly hold their children in contempt. Read “For your own good “, book by Alice Miller.
Omg! That little girl’s talk she was giving was absolutely heartbreaking! I felt a pain in my torso when I understood what she was saying! It was so beautiful and so profound! I guess I can kinda understand why they would have wanted to give killer the toughest sentence that they could. It doesn’t make them right but that little demonstration helps to understand what they must have been thinking. But the man they’re getting ready to execute doesn’t seem like he’s much older or aware of what’s going on than she was!
I suffered from mental illness my whole life. Have i killed anyone? No. I dont feel bad for a second for these monsters
This is really disgusting to the family who survived, trying to elicit empathy for a man who tortured and killed a baby girl.
did u watch the video
Who cares how they feel? They committed the worst crimes imaginable and gave their victims no mercy.
Mentally ill people are not always capable of thinking from a mercy perspective. Often, they are triggered and responding to their brain telling them things that are not accurate.And sometimes, emotions trigger it. Their brains dont view situations in a correct way. And some have no emotions at all. And those are the scariest
@@dianeitani8368 well if that’s their situation, they should be discarded and not amongst us.
totally normal comment from a well-adjusted, empathetic person
@@annabrewer8054 You have no empathy for the victims. You have no empathy, just sympathy. It's not the same.
Exactly.
I pray for the two step sons may they find peace in knowing their mom and lil sis is in a better place 😢🙌🏾 also it’s ok to get help when needed
If I ever hear voices telling me to harm children I'm going straight to the police station and refusing to leave unless they get me help a doctor and a priest.
It's not an excuse.
Or the hospital.
We need to revive the mental institutions we once had before the prison system was turned into a thriving business.
Mental institutions were atrocious and far more inhumane then the prisons we have today, that’s why we shut them down lol. A republican president did that too
Absolutely, privateisation of prisons is stupid. We all know it leads to cuts in staff etc. the happiest countries in the world pay almost half their wages in tax and everything is paid for, from the cradle to the grave. I live in New Zealand and we have free healthcare (except doctors visits that are free for under 5 and subsidised for others, free education up to university, free water, so it helps those who can’t put aside money for those unforeseen issues.
That would require people to have the balls to put them in there and not let them out
Our country has never had a working mental health system. What are you smoking?
We need proper institutions. Not what we had before.
The first guy, I remember seeing a documentary from the surviving sons' POV. What he did to them was horrific.
Link?
Notice how hulking big he is, some women like that, and don't survive it.
@@jeep19 So much she liked it, she divorced him less than 90 days in. You speak like a frustrated short or weak male who’s ego was hurt by ‘some women’, nothing else. What a loser, i can assure you tho, that’s not the only reason they don’t like you
I saw that documentary also. Didn’t Greene drown the 6 year old in the bathtub after stabbing the 2 boys?
Both death row inmates have an excuse " oh I'm sick and i want to stay in prison" no, both of them murdered people including kids,andre's stepson is 100% correct,being sick is an excuse,period
The mental illness is called evilness. We’ve all been through trauma. No excuse
Prison should be for rehabilitation. It should focus on mental health, trauma, and PTSD. I understand most should not be allowed back into society, but the ones who do get back out leave worse than coming in.
We have all the resources to put into making sure people who go to prison expected to be released have been mentally evaluated and treated. Seeing a psychiatrist should be part of all paroles and people who committed crimes.
Many countries have put in the proper resources for their inmates and have had amazing results due to that. And one of them was not seeing repeat offenders, bc they made mental healthy treatment a number one priority.
But for America it’s more than making mental health treatment available for inmates to make sure they leave in good health before being released into society. Our prisons are for profit. Major corporations use inmates to make their products Paying them basically in Pennies. Our prisons are modern day slavery. You can’t have any of that if you are making sure inmates are getting proper healthcare and mental healthcare.
I’m sorry for every victim of a criminal. I’m so sorry
But if we want a peaceful society we have to have empathy even for those who suffer and make bad decisions. We have to push for our prisons to make mental healthcare accessible for inmates. Not just for inmates, but everyone.
USA prisons don't want to treat inmates, not just because it would cut into their profits, but also because repeat offenders allow them to charge the taxpayers multiple times!
Absolutely agree, there is a bridge between youth hood and jail, and we have to be genuinely proactive to prevent the road there.
At the very least we must get to the root of why they ended up in jail. Every story has its past, every illness has its root
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'Reformed Offender' on Joe Rogan Allegedly Murders and Dismembers Friend | Sheldon Johnson
Watched this some time ago , feel free to search it and tell me your thoughts
The one daughter has mental health issues and the other is so full of rage. Neither option is healthy. I pray they both find Peace!
I don’t think people need to feel sympathy for men who have already committed horrific crimes after not getting all the help they could have, but it’s crazy to me we have a system where men do keep doing this and the violence isn’t considered a national crisis. So many people unwilling to do anything to actually help anyone until it’s too late and they can capitalize on the violence.
Life in prison without the possibility of parole is rarely enforced. There's always someone advocating for their release even after such a sentence.
The time from sentencing to the time of execution is far too long. It shouldn't be decades. It should be a year or two at most.
The Next day.
They gon get they money out of them first, its all about money
A couple of days
@teranceg5671 "they gone get they money." Naw, not really. Its actually more expensive to house & feed these killers & the only people they gon get they money from is us the tax payers.💰
@@ShaunKang69 no, its not. Do your research lol its more expensive to do what u mentioned.
People in the UK who commit such psychopathic acts are put in secure psychiatric institutions for the rest of their lives. Broadmoor is the most well known. It is a hospital staffed by prison guards. I wonder if the USA also has such facilities.
Yes but it is very difficult for someone to be found “not guilty by reason of mental insanity” you can be found to be not competent to stand trial which means you don’t understand the trial process so you can’t assist in your own defense. An example of this was Lori Vallow who was recently found guilty of killing her two children with her brother and her husband who she married after he also killed his wife and 2 weeks after both her kids were killed. She was first found not competent to stand trial. Once she was determined to be found competent, she was put on trial and she will be standing trial for other crimes in another state later on.
Being found not guilty by reason of mental insanity means you could not determine right from wrong at the time of the crime. An example of this is, Andrea Yates who was found NG but mental inanity after drowning her 5 children in an episode of post-partum psychosis. If she is found to mentally well she can be released under supervision but from my understanding she has stated she doesn’t want to be let out, she feels she should remain hospitalized. That’s the last I heard.
In 50s and 60s we had a lot more hospitals for the criminally insane but, laws that were passed basically closed these facilities down (which were not run very well at all. They had a lot of abuse and neglect which is why so many people wanted them to be shut down). The system is broken, our prison system is the new mental health facilities because we don’t have the funding to properly care for our mentally ill. I pray one day we focus on mental health services and preventing these crimes from happening in the first place. Maybe we could prevent the Gary Greens and Andre Thomas’ of the world which would mean those poor people who were the victims of these men wouldn’t be dead and the lives of their family and friends wouldn’t have been completely obliterated.
I think they do. There are people who've been found mentally incopotent. Look up Ed Gein.
Its just a very high bar here to be found that.
Another high profile case,Jeffery Dahmer, fought insanity but wasn't found insane. Dahmer literally ate his victims.
We used to until Regan began shutting down state funded mental hospitals. It's sad though because when I think of Broadmore I can't help but think of Saville and how I genuinely believe that part of the reason he went unpunished was because of the prejudice against the mentally ill in which people would rather pretend that they didn't exist so people like Saville could operate in the dark.
Not like the UK. They would send you to life in prison before they get you help. The U.S. doesn't care their people enough to get them help.
We used to have many similar facilities to broadmoor, but no longer. Some state hospitals now have forensic units, and there are still at best a handful of dedicated forensic hospitals, but they are extremely few. Sadly it’s rare that someone who should be found guilty by reason of insanity, actually is, so most people just end up in prison.
If we are in right mental state .we should be accountable for our actions
That's the problem.. Look at today's society.....
I have schizophrenia took meds for two weeks, it helped me drastically but the meds had severe side effects, made me gain so much weight, made my eyes look drugged up, my mind was processing things slower, and my driving skills were slower too.
I then tapered down the amount of pills I had to take. After getting off of it, the voices slowly came back. But it’s a lot quieter. Before taking meds, the voices would wake me up in the middle of the night and early morning. I never got normal hours of sleep. I even heard my door getting knocked 3 times. I heard things and it made me so paranoid.
But schizophrenia, some people hear us say and talk about this stuff, and no one believes us. If we were to do a CT scan of our brains, there’ll be clear evidence that we have schizophrenia.
I wonder how the mental heath of their victims and families are.. because I'm not concerned about these criminals
They don't have to be mutually exclusive. You should care about both. They're all human. They're a product of their environments. If psychiatrists say they have a severe mental illness then they need treatment for that and to have it taken into account. It isn't their fault that they have it.
@@0Linerider0forever0even if it’s not “ their fault if they have it” they’re still a danger to society and could do it to others. Not to mention their victims need justice. I think we’re opening a Pandora’s box with this false compassion. It started with closing down insane asylum’s because “they were inhumane” leaving no help for severely mentally ill people until it’s too late and now excusing the worst of crimes. What next?
@@0Linerider0forever0I bet if it were your kids you’d have a different take. This entire video seems to want to persuade people that murderers are victims because of mental illness. As of the victims who survived, should understand that and be ok with it.
If our society and our "leaders", were concerned about people with mental health issues (that they did not choose to have), and made sure they had effective treatment and guidance, there wouldn't be so many victims. It's appropriate to wonder how the survivors are doing, because they are also victims of the same broken system, and often a lack of appropriate long term mental healthcare for the survivors either. Please, be concerned and compassionate about the mental health of your fellow human beings, so this never happens again. Peace be with you!
consider that criminals are victims of their mental health. nobody chooses to be ill.
Some of the comments here are alarming, but not surprising. We don’t treat mental healthy seriously for even regular citizens who haven’t committed crimes. And getting people to care about the mental health of inmates? Good luck on that.
Honestly, your on point. I thought I was becoming crazy when I was reading these comments.
Ffs he was an evil person
We understand, dear... But we do not agree with you and we have the right to not agree. 😅
Really wild and alarming. And the ones like "...I also have ADHD and depression, and i havent killed anyone" Oh child!🙄.
my most unpopular opinion is that mental illness CAN excuse murders.
do I believe they should be released though? No. Killed by death penalty? No.
I just don’t get it, it’s one thing to blackout going through a mental breakdown vs planning it all out, and even leaving no witness? It’s like you have to be fully aware to do that. That’s what makes it so sketchy.
"I think Christians typically support the death penalty"
This has absolutely blown my European mind.
😂😂
Your European inquisition and crusades Christian mind? I'm from south America by the way not from 'murica
@@germangru Well, I guess I was talking about recent centuries. Apologies I don't have any lived experience of inquisition era Spain.
It's so odd. They are "prolife" but also PRODEATH penalty. The contradictions are so weird. They even get upset if you tell them.
@@user-bf7zw3nt2q I don't get it either, I'm pro life and strictly against the death penalty
Two wrongs don't make a right
Regardless of his diagnosis he should be locked somewhere forever, his actions shows he's a clear danger to society because the vast majority of people with these diagnosis aren't out here killing people.
when was that ever even said in the video they obviously wouldn't be released
I think this is why this argument is so misunderstood; so many of you people think that it literally means the person is found innocent and then released. Extremely mentally ill people who are not found culpable of a crime do not walk free, they’re put in custody of the state. They often times spend the remainder of their life in a high security mental hospital. And the state has more control over you than a prison would because you’re subject to a doctors opinion, not a release date.
There’s no chance that he will ever be released
Did you even watch the video??? That's the entire point of the video...
@@uptoCHINAtown its not tho its about people with mental illness on death row.
#mentalhealthmatters
Such a sad and devastating situation for all involved 😢 Prayers 🙏 for comfort strength and healing light 💖 🙏 💔
there are millions of us out there with mental health struggles and we constantly have to battle a society that doesn't take it seriously and won't fund it as a result but we don't use it as an excuse to be violent. we just try and survive until we've had enough of the suffering. i'm a big believer that a person has the right to take themselves out but taking out others with you or instead of you is just evil.
Am I supposed to feel bad for these people? I struggle with depression and anxiety too, but that’s no excuse to go around killing people. If you take an innocent person’s life, you have forfeited your right to live.
Depression and anxiety are a lot different to psychosis
Yes, in that people with psychosis are dangerous.
100%
Guess #BigPharma isn't held accountable yet a lot people died
Are we supposed to feel sorry for these murderers! SMH
Never
This video isn't about them being held accountable, they are def doing that. And no, someone with severe mental illness should not be sentenced to death.
They just gonna roam free and possibly run into your child? There are no more state run mental asylums. It's either prison or population.
people like u r disguating
I believe a severly ill person doesnt believe they are sick like in my sons case he will not ask for mental health services but he lives in a world of despare & he doesn’t rationalize in reality anymore im so heartbroken
Those rallying against the death penalty don't seem to show any empathy for the families of the victims. Like every heated social issue, with no middle ground, there's no place to make peace.
I'm the daughter of a murder victim. My brother and mom have also died. I'm against the death penalty. For one, the justice system has gotten it wrong time and time again. Innocent people have been executed and sit on death row or in prison as we speak. Until it's a perfect system 100% of the time, the death penalty shouldn't even be a discussion. It needs to be perfect, they need to never get it wrong. Even then, I don't really care for it. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. We're telling them "You're worse than us, you murder people." And then "teaching them a lesson" by doing the same thing. Many killers look forward to the death penalty because death row inmates often get their own cells, TVs, privileges, etc. and they stay for decades. I don't want my dad's killers to die, I'd never wish their family to go through what they put me through. It's a waste.
How does being anti death penalty = no empathy for the victims? This is just my opinion, but I think they're the most empathetic people around.
14:40 This is the part that people need to understand. Prison is a business.
True and most convicted people are used by political figures and government's
I work as a tech lead in a robotics laboratory and have bipolar 2 and ASPD, 99% of the time you would not suspect anything, the other 1% I have been locked up in a mental hospital. The idea that most people have about mental ilness is wrong.
most people are so narcissistic that they believe the rest of the world NEEDS to hear their uninformed, uneducated opinions.
I’m so tired of people using this as an excuse to commit crimes.
Exactly
So what about if itz not an excuse ?
@@ketovoreking5440it doesn’t matter, if you commit a crime then you must be held accountable for your actions, if you take a innocent life, then you too should have your life taken. The only victims are in fact the innocent people whom lost their lives, so therefore regardless if your mentally ill or not, it still doesn’t give you the right to take away anyone else’s life!! So technically no, there is no excuse, if you have a mental illness then it’s your responsibility to get help!! Plain and simple 😢
@dawnr5158 itz not a one size fitz all there are people that at one point were up standing citizenz good people and then something catastrophic happenz in there life and they lose there mindz become severely mentally unwell and unstable some are failed by the system and left alone and cant think straight. Itz unfortunate in some casez that this happenz and the mentally unwell person takez a life itz not right but there is so many factorz to why they did it. I think your wrong.
Oh he hit the nail on the head when he said growing up in the 70s. So many things were overlooked or just hushed when brought to light.
very moving. great reporting
It’s hard I’ve been to the point I’m literally in a living nightmare and sometimes it’s hard to have to deal with what you do in those spaces of the mind I pray for everything and one
I find it funny that they think it's better to let them do life in prison, as if that's any better than death.
Death row is an easy way out, Life in prison, especially for mentally ill people, is hell.
The average time between sentencing and execution has increased by two-thirds in the past 20 years - from 11.4 years in 2000 to 18.9 years in 2020, according to the most recent available data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
20 years locked in a cell waiting to be killed by your own guards is not really easy, nor even a 'way out'.
They will just complain about life in prison after the death penalty is abolished. Then anything longer than 20 years will be cruel.
True
@@forstcroh6233 True. And the reason is the death penalty is dying.
I’m sorry but there is no excuse for killing a woman and her 6 year old kid that’s just a sick twisted person don’t care what anyone sais he’s just trying to save himself
Mental illness does not excuse their horrible crimes. They are still being shown more mercy than they showed their victims!
That lawyer explained it well, ultimately the decision to consider mental illness over a death sentence is made by a jury that has "mercy".
That is misplaced mercy.
@@benjaminfranklin8412 i agree
It's actually chilling that she becomes emotional & feels like she failed him as his life was in her hands... A very human emotion for someone who had zero humanity at all...
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A gift.
My brother was undiagnosed with bipolar schizophrenia for 2 years, while using shrooms and smoking weed and he never hurt me or my dad. We thought he was on drugs he went mute, would talk to himself and later on once he got help he told us the voices would tell him to do things to us but he never wanted to act on it. Mental Illness is NOT an excuse to kill.
great example
My ex was schizophrenic if u stay off drugs and stay on your meds it helps he was diagnosed as a psychopath he told me had a kid it was his drinking that was a problem and his narcissistic problems I got bipolar I’d never hurt anyone I get aggressive and do crazy manic things but I’ve never hurt anyone being sober helps ur right if people have help supported and safe and on there meds try to be a good person there’s not an excuse for killing people and the fact that people who do claim there crazy when there not is making people with mental illness be scary there not
@@KayLeeHoward-vc2ph true