'The Fat You Eat Is The Fat You Wear' CRITIQUED By Dr. Campbell
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2020
- The fat you eat is the fat you wear is a common phrase spoken about by Dr. John McDougall. This video explores Dr. Colin Campbell's critique of this messaging.
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What do you think about the phrase 'the fat you eat is the fat you wear'?
It's incorrect. I eat whole fat almond or coconut yoghurt with tons of nuts and seeds every day, and I don't gain any weight. If I would eat refined grains like bread instead, I gain weight.
I think that phrase is a brilliant and effective teaching and lecturing tool to get people to rethink their sad diets
@@uski1942 100% correct.
It's accurate.
I love it!
I’ve read 3 of Dr. McDougall’s books as well as the China Study (and others) and his statement is taken out of context. Taken as a whole they’re both saying the same thing (no added oils). The only difference is McDougall says to refrain from nuts, seeds, and avocados IF you have a lot of weight to lose, so does Chef AJ and others. Once you’re at your goal you can add them back in.
I can tell you from my personal experience, switching to a whole-foods plant-based diet enabled me to only lose 20 lbs over a 2-year period and I’m over 100 lbs overweight. Taking nuts, seeds, and avocados out of my diet recently enabled me to finally start losing again.
I can see how some people get confused by differing info out there but I don’t think we should be pitching one plant-based advocate against another ESPECIALLY when they give the same advice. Don’t we just want people to start eating more plants and less animal products?
Well said, exactly what I was thinking!
Yes this is a longer version of what I just commented myself. This video should be taken down. It's just trying to stir up drama where there is none. This is the only PBN video I have ever thumbs downed.
ScootyTheVegMan I agree. Why add Dr Mc Doughall’s name into this video. Completely out of context and as mentioned Dr Mc Doughall does not advocate NO fats in form of whole foods
I was thinking the same thing. Yay! for the concept of calorie density. “Eat to the left of the red line,” -Chef AJ. This has helped me lose the weight without going hungry.
Well, that makes perfect sense though. When you're in a calorie deficit, you want to more of your nutrient dense foods, vegetables/fruits. Fats are high calorie. So getting enough fat in your diet from sources like flaxseed and the rest carbs(you get your protein pretty much no matter what you eat, as long as it's not all fruits), you always want to choose lower calorie nutrient dense. Going with calorie rich foods just makes it much harder to stay in a calorie deficit as you won't be as full/satiated with those meals. Much easier to 'bulk' with calorie rich foods.
Dr Mcdougal says things in a way to catch you and that’s easy to remember. Catchphrases even. He isn’t against nuts just says to be careful. Nothing wrong with that.
And if you are trying to lose weight, it is essential to avoid fat as much as possible.
Exactly. Dr. McDougall and Dr. Esselstyn both talk about nuts and seeds being fine unless you have heart disease or are trying to lose weight.
I agree too. My parents won't be able to understand much more in-depth. Sometimes it's not a lack of intelligence, but a lack of attention that we get from people that are super traditional.
@@foggypatchfarm6048 even then people can train themselves to focus more
Idiots it's the other way around. Carbs make you fat. You have to count calories when you eating a high carb diet. On the other hand if you try to overeat fat you can't you will get nauseous.
If you have read they're books with attention, both doctors are saying the same thing:
1. The artificial fat (oils) and the animal fat will make you - fat.
2. The healthy fats from whole foods (nuts and seeds, avocados etc.) are very good for us when used in moderation, of course.
Dr. John McDougall point is that if you want to lose waight asap, avoid any kinds of fats to get to your weight goal and be healthy again.
Than, use healthy fats from whole foods (nuts and seeds...) in Moderation for a healthy living.
This makes total sense! 👌
Take care and enjoy your WFPB lifestyle! ❤
fat makes you fat? lol
I feel like so many ppl bash McDougall even in the vegan community. I am a BELIEVER with what he has to say about potatoes at least. I started eating potatoes everyday redskins in my soup at lunch and sweet potato with dinner. I've ate these everyday for over 6 months and I'm not tired of them at all. They have absolutely kept me on track and I've lost 15lbs without feeling deprived. The weirdest thing is I stopped eating meat during the day bc anything heavy made me tired. So I used potatoes to make things hardy. After awhile I realized I wasn't craving meat at all and corona was the the last straw that I decided to cut out meat completely. It was such an easy transition and I really think it was due to potatoes
Word on that. I have recently read them too and you are spot on.
Ashley Wyatt I also admire Dr. McDougall. His teachings have helped me beyond measure!! They are taking one statement out of context!
Dr McDougall says that we tend to eat too many nuts if we start with one. That's true for many people. Most people consume the SAD diet and therefore refined fats as well.
Greens are surely very important. I find raw veggies and fruits very beneficial. Potatoes are good and we need few because they are nutritious.
You can’t possibly be going against Dr McDougall , they are on the same side .
Stop the madness !!
He is not against McDougal, he is just having a discussion. He also "slammed" Fuhrman ("nutrient density") and Esselstyn (eat a lot of greens) in the above clip.
I don’t think he was. I think he’s just reeling in some of the extremes that are going on. If you’re healthy there is no reason you can’t use nuts & salt in moderation. He’s not addressing weight loss and heart or kidney disease. I think they could have added that in there. For people like me who have digestive issues if I eat that many greens it causes issues then I start getting anxiety if I’m getting enough of the nutrient dense greens. For me personally, this helped me to chill. I have enough background info to know that I need to balance what I eat and eat a variety and stay away from refined sugary foods and oils and processed foods.
Correct. The title of the video is clickbait. @@UncleJ2058
I watched the whole interview and it seemed like the criticism of the “fat you eat is the fat you wear” slogan was part of a larger point that Nelson Campbell was trying to make, which is that the SOS [salt, oil, and sugar-free] crowd is so strict that they are unnecessarily scaring people away from embracing a whole food plant-based diet. To my mind this backhanded attack on McDougall was unwarranted. Interestingly, McDougall is also of the same mind that a little bit of sugar and salt is not going to seriously interfere with the long term benefits of a plant-based diet. What both are overlooking is the pleasure trap. For some people adding a small amount of salt, oil, or sugar can be tolerated without adverse weight gain. But for many others, even small amounts of salt, oil, or sugar do not allow their taste buds to neuroadapt, so they end up consuming excess calories because they cannot stop themselves from binging on foods tainted with these additives. There is no need to stir up controversy here because it’s a spectrum and people can figure out what works best for themselves.
DDL FTW!
The pleasure trap is stupid, too many people have this negative attitude toward pleasure is if it’s this demonic thing always leading people to destruction, I think it’s the residual affects of religious indoctrination on the culture
l21n1 it certainly has overtones of that.
Will i ever neuroadapt to beetroot, i wonder?
Steve, this is a repeat of a comment I made to another poster. There is a subculture that has emerged that advocates absolutely NO consumption of added salt, fat, and sugar, which is what I believe the video is addressing. If you look back at the early work of McDougal, Esselstein, Fuhrman, etc., an absolute ban is not usually prescribed. They speak of historical evidence supporting diets that were PRIMARILY plant-based. The problem is that the West in particular has turned added salt, fat, and sugar (along with highly processed foods) into major food groups rather than condiments. This has been done via taxpayer funded subsidies to Big Ag, which doesn't have to worry about the health consequences of overconsumption of their subsidized products.
It should be: “The fat you wear came from the excessive amounts of fat you ate.”
Go ahead and eat your avocados, nuts & seeds, but in moderation.
I like the way you phrased it 😂
Absolutely
Exactly, but oil wouldn't be a good Idea as it's quite easy to overconsume and the calories add up quickly.
Everything I. Moderation. Sugar is more dangerous than fat especially with the over saturation of it in our foods.
Id add a "probably" in there, cause if one just ate a surplus of calories from any source it could have made the same.
This is 100% truth. I struggled with getting below 15% body fat for years(have been vegan for 8 years) and as soon as I cut out oils and reduced my fat intake to no more than 30grams a day on average, the fat melted away. In 3 months I dropped down below 10% body fat and for the first time in my life have 6 pack abs and feel the best I ever have. I eat unlimited carbohydrates.
awesome bro, do you have any channel you share your journey? Im in this path too... about 25% now
,I'm glad to hear that you got 6 pack abs after trying for so long. I too lost weight and kept it off on whole food-plant based strict. I got to my minimum healthy weight but knew that's not quite right for me and gained back some weight. I'll do it the slow way with muscle building first. 😊💪
some people may eat Twinkies and live to 100. That doesn't make Twinkies healthy. You get plenty of fat in foods without searching it out. Pretending that todays world is "natural" is crazy. In nature, you can only get avocados or nuts during a certain time of the year. Today you can have fats every day from the supermarket. People think that "oh, an avocado a day is fine" it's natural." but it is not. We get way too much fat in our diet. You can believe what Campbell says, or you can simply go to the mall and look at how fat everyone is. His advice is great for 70 years ago.
@@pablo12250 Yes, but...the people at "the mall" aren't on a whole food, plant-based diet. There goes your argument, flop..
@@pablo12250 Most people are omnivores. When I went vegan, my excess weight fell off. I don’t exclude anything except animal products and heavily processed junk food.
Carbs, fats, who cares. Let’s all just eat our plants and be nice to each other 🌿
Brainwashed slave
I care, because Dr C is wrong even when he's sometimes right. The argument should never be "it's complicated so don't worry about causation".
Karen Marukjan Who is a brainwashed slave?
You cant move forward in science if you dont discern the truth
@@karenmarukjan8943 Rotting flesh filled simpleton?
There really isn't a whole lot of controversy here. Both doctors are advocating for the same WFPB diet. No one on such a diet will be adding much fat to their waistline, and probably reducing it.
Agreed!
As someone who has been following a WFPB diet, I can tell you that when I eat nuts and seeds I don't lose weight. And weeks I don't eat them I do better. But I guess it depends how many you eat. For people like me, and I know lots of folk like me, it's virtually impossible to eat only a handful of nuts if you have a bag of nuts in the house.
I do agree that they are healthy in moderation BUT also think that for those of us wishing to lose weight, steering clear of these items can be useful. I would also add that having listened to a lot of Dr McDougall's videos, you will see that he is talking about ADDED fats such as olive oil, coconut oil etc. I did check his website however and he doesn't seem to support a nut based diet.
I also am trying to lose weight and I agree with the difficulty with moderation but I find I don’t feel well if I don’t eat enough fat, so I measure out a tbsp of walnuts with my oatmeal and 1/4 avocado with my salad, take a DHA Supplement and I feel so much better. If you track your intake you will lose no matter what. I’ve lost 25 pounds in about 4 months eating fats in moderation. But some people do well on extremely low fat and don’t miss it so I think you have to find what works best for you.
Totally agree; I couldn't afford nuts for a long time, but then my sister started bringing me lots of packages when we both went wfpb. I was losing weight - until I introduced the nuts, but the fault is all mine, not the nuts/seeds. I had 10 packs of nuts and seeds at home after years, so what did I do? Since I had so much at home, I went ahead and ate half a pack ... a whole pack... convincing myself 'this is healthy', knowing deep down it wasn't.
@@soniak2269 thank you for sharing your experience
@@vickythecat1741 thank you for sharing your experience
I have a better idea. How about eat them - they have nutrients your body needs plus fat which makes you go longer until your next meal and will control your blood sugar better than if you just ate a bunch of carbs. This way you can fast 20 hours a day and drop your weight that way, while getting lots of nutrients at the same time. Cheers.
Very big breakthrough happened for me weight loss wise when I eliminated hemp seeds, pumpkin seeds, chia seeds and almonds from my morning oats. I’m now doing the Rip Esselstyn way eating raw oats with a healthy tablespoon of flaxmeal, Ezekiel cereal and lots of fruit. The pounds came flying off. McDougall is right. Fat is fat.
Isnt eating flaxmeal the same as eating hemp seeds or pumpkin seeds? The meal is just grounded seeds.
@@acdcmiami Not the same, because flax seeds have ALA which is converted to EPA and DHA in the body which helps convert our white fat cells (which store fat) to brown fat cells (which have a lot more mitochondria, and metabolise fat for energy). Because of this, flaxseeds actually are beneficial in losing body fat and speeding up metabolism.
My friend is obese and is now trying to lose weight, heal his diabetes, and reclaim his life. He told me that for lunch he ate refried beans (fatty), on a corn tortilla, with smashed avocado, poured creama and olive oil on it thinking this is going to help him lose weight because there is no animal products in it. There is so much fat in this meal he is never going to lose weight. If you are obese, do not eat fatty foods - you already have plenty of fat on your body and you don't need any more right now. When you are of normal weight, then one can tolerate higher calorie foods.
What your friend did sounds pretty excessive
Your friend is eating their own version of a WFPB diet. Keeping as close to their old diet as possible without actually stepping over the line by eating meat. In time he can say he tried WFPB and it didn’t work.
I do find weight loss more difficult if I eat nuts, as healthy as they are. I think they’re great, as long as you can control yourself!
InconnuGlitterBoy nuts are fine depends which ones you eat , Brazil nuts are very good for you full of selenium
@@mshnaidstein NO WAY DONT WANNA LOOK LIKE NO POTBELLY HIPPY!
I avoid nuts all together. Very easy to over eat them
Nuts are dangerous for me, sadly. They are a rare treat these days😊.
There is research showing adipose tissue matching fats/foods that were reported in food journals/Food frequency questionnaires so I do think the concept McDougall uses is factually valid.
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Exactly, RPV. If our fat doesn't come from the food we eat, where else could it come from?
Reverend Al your body can create fat from excess sugar...
@@MrYorugua12345 That's only true if there isn't enough FAT from your meals to put into adipose cells. The body will only convert carbohydrates into FAT if there isn't enough fat available for use.
I think the lesson is learning to balance consumption and also listening to your own body...rather than getting caught up in the micro analysis as over time and with more research our understanding expands.
It is the excess calories that get converted to fat. If both fat and carbs are present in the diet and there are excess calories, the fat will get converted first. Carbs are a much more energy intensive process to convert to fat. That is why it is better to limit fat intake as much as possible.
For anyone with weight to lose, yes.
Exactly.
McDougall is correct. Campell is misconstruing it as saying you shouldn't have any. FAT makes you FAT is the point. It's not carbs.
Yes, the interviewer mislead him to think by saying "some people advocate avoiding fat in avocados, etc", and Dr Campbell is quite old so he may have misunderstood what is being asked and defended that nuts and seeds and fruits in whole form is beneficial, which is correct. Also he wanted to point out that not all fats are the same. So, it was an age related misunderstanding or inadequate explaining I think.
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Mmm no. Excess calories makes you fat
@@ep4533 They are mentioning about the fact that carbohydrates are difficult to turn into fat and it takes energy but if you eat the same calories as oil then body can store much more efficiently. No one is arguing that excess calories cause weight gain, but they are saying that the body prefers to store fat and it stores it more efficiently. Also carbohydrates can be broken down and stored as glycogen, an alternative method of storing energy rather than fat.
@@ep4533 not when the most calories come From carbs.
Hellerstein, M.K.: »De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects«. Eur J Clin Nutr. Apr. 1999; 53 Suppl 1: S53-65.
It's good to see so many level headed commenters... I love PBN, and we love all these docs who are all fighting for the same cause. but let's stop trying to pit our heroes against each other when there's a much bigger message to be made.
I always interpret McDougall as saying refrain from additional processed oils as a counter the keto/low carbs diets.
Its so true, we humans think we're so clever, yet have you seen any other species on the planet needing a dietary guideline on what to eat? We do overcomplicate things 🤦♀️
I appreciate the ongoing education, conversations and discoveries to improve weight, health and outlook. It all started for me with The China Study in 2010. Thanks, Dr. Campbell (and, even, Dr. McDougall)
I keep my fat low, I'm lean, people I know who are vegan that eat fatty foods are bigger people, facts.
Good thinking. Don't turn vegan, it's insane. It's not good for you, you don't get the nourishment you should and you wind up with mental problems.
@@toni4729 Vegan is the best diet nutritionally, I've been 9 years vegan, vegetatrian since the mid 90s and am fitter and in better shape than I was when 20, example did a 65 mile cycle yesterday and can do a 20 minute 5k run anytime. Was just making a point about fat and you can be fat and vegan if your diatary fat consumption is hight.
@@johnnyveganite9141 What's your diet though?
@@longjohnny I eat anything vegan but keep my fat low, big fan of asian style foods, italian etc
This actually really helped me. I feel like my head has been spinning with all the different takes on wfpb. Simple and easy like this not stressing about single nutritional compounds. I can back this.
You and me both!!! I can’t eat that many greens as it messes my digestion up! I was starting to think I needed a plant based nutritional counseling certificate and it was causing me anxiety. I think he was reeling in the extremes out there.
with mcdougal on this one. TCC didn't even truly assess and address the statement . If I remember correctly , the actual fat molecules eaten have been proven to be same ones on the body.
You need to hear McD's explanation, it is not that simple. Of course refined carbs containing fructose increase weight. Pritikin also knew this. It is a guaranteed pathway to diabetes and insulin resistance.
1 gram of fat is 9 calories.
1 gram of carbs is 4 calories.
1 gram of protein is 4 calories.
This fact alone demonstrates that it is easier to consume excess calories on fatty foods, thus giving some merit to Dr McDougalls common phrase.
And lets be clear, Dr McDougall has never said not to eat nuts and seeds, but to be cautious not to eat them in excess. And that is sound advice since more people are obese than starving in this day and age.
That's not really what McDougall believes. He believes that the fat macronutrient causes obesity; that it's not calories, it's the fat.
@@a.s.vanhoose1545 Dr McDougall actually has a short guide to healthy eating. In that guide he has marked certain foods with green, yellow and red lights, to clearly demonstrate what is healthy and unhealthy foods. Green lights he gives to starches, fruits and vegetables, red lights he gives to all animal products and oils, and yellow he gives to nuts and seeds. So he doesn't advice people to not eat nuts and seeds, but to eat them in small amounts.
@@Sergei_Gusakov Excess calories make you fat, and calories in excess is easier from fatty foods. Guess why you can eat cucumbers and cabbage and still be hungry... Because they are scarce in calories.
@I invented Google I know all fats are not the same. And I have never stated that.
Sat fats and trans fats are crap for health, mono and poly sat fats are not. But that doesn't mean you can't gain weight from mono and poly fats.
@@Sergei_Gusakov I never said that calories are born equal, because they have different metabolic effects in the body.
Your first statement - that it's impossible to overeat calories from fat - is something that I want to see evidence on, because it sounds very counter intuitive to me. I can't settle for just an anecdote, even if I agree that certain food combinations makes it easier to overeat.
There are some very good effects I’ve had from eating Chia seeds in my morning oatmeal, but I have noticed that I cannot eat it as often as I like to conserve the fat I am eating for other good foods. It is learning how to watch the scale and live in balance and be able to keep my appetite under control. Plant Based is the most comfortable way to eat long term as it is not just a temporary diet but the way to live the rest of our lives.
Most people won’t over consume greens. It’s stupid that he brings up over consumption of greens.
aikirunner I think the questions were possibly targeted at certain doctors who advocate some of these ideas
@Ajgleskorv We're frugivores. We're primates
Ajgleskorv Dr. Milton Mills give an eye-opening presentation on comparative anatomy- comparing carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores. Humans fit in the herbivore category. It’s pretty cool
Why is this video attacking the ideas of 3 other WFPB Dr's? McDougal, Esselstein and Fuhrman?
There is a subculture that has emerged that advocates absolutely NO consumption of added salt, fat, and sugar, which is what I believe the video is addressing. If you look back at the early work of McDougal, Esselstein, Fuhrman, etc., an absolute ban is not usually prescribed. They speak of historical evidence supporting diets that were PRIMARILY plant-based. The problem is that the West in particular has turned added salt, fat, and sugar (along with highly processed foods) into major food groups rather than condiments. This has been done via taxpayer funded subsidies to Big Ag, which doesn't have to worry about the health consequences of overconsumption of their subsidized products.
Yes indeed, why? Arent we (they) all on the same side here??
It’s not.furhman,Gregor say exactly what they are saying right now
I like to wear my fat with high heels and a nice dress.
Tie-dyed T and flared denim jeans for me :'D
McDougall uses the catchphrase to keep us from going wild eating nuts, etc., while avoiding free oils. Many of his recipes contain nuts, etc. but I never saw him use coconut milk or coconut meat.
I find it odd that Mcdougall says a little sugar on your oatmeal for example is Ok....its not a health food and it is empty calories, but it will help you to eat the Oatmeal ...Ok, but can't the same logic be applied to using a little oil for cooking, since oil is also empty calories but it can enhance the taste of your food?
because denovo lipogenesis isnt as effective as storing fat
9 calories per gram of fat. Vs 4 calories per gram of Carbs is the reason.
If you do a biopsy of fat cells you can see where they come from and about 95% of the fat we wear comes from the fat we eat directly.
You can even do an analysis in the lab to see whether this fat comes from olive oil or blubber because it is stored with so little alteration.
The rest comes from a conversion from carbohydrates. So yes the fat is the fat you wear.
You can now argue that over consumption of calories no matter the source makes you store that fat but it is still almost exclusively the fat you ate.
If you eat a minimal amount of fat the body has to convert carbohydrates to fat first in a process where about 30% of the calories are lost.
The body does not want to do that. So if you eat very little fat you make it harder for the body to store a lot of it.
That does of course not mean that nuts or avocados are bad for us.
I think it was taken out of context. Doubt he meant, fatty vegetables and nuts etc. No need to jump on the guy about it. Lets use some fckn logic
This guy is the worst interviewer ever!. Dude, you asked and you answered!
He kind of knows the answers since he's interviewing his father, who he's been working together with basically his whole adult life :-).
He’s a physician, not a journalist.
Carina Ekström That’s irrelevant since the interview is for the audience, not for themselves.
MegaVegan Then why do the interview in the first place?
Please Klaus. Yes you refine this phrase but it also sounds oppositional. Of course he's talking about added fats....lets be clearer about "clarification" as opposed to "opposition".......
McDougall was talking in average-person talk here to appeal to the non-scientific. Dr. Campbell took this out of context
Fat from food gets converted into fat tissue more easily than carbohydrate and protein from food gets converted into fat tissue. If you analyse human fat tissue you can actually determine exactly what source the body fat comes from. For example researches might determine that a small amount of human fat on someones body was originally from bacon fat and then was converted to human tissue fat when it was processed inside the body.
Ugh! That’s horrible!
WHAT is he doing???? You can tell he knows he’s on shaky grounds for sure! Dr. McDougall’s diet isn’t just about fat/weight loss, he’s about disease reversal, including diabetes. And it’s necessary for T2 Diabetics to consume whole plant food without any added fat, at least while they’re in the recovery process. Can they eat fats after they’re healed, possibly, sure. But even FOK uses minimal fat. He’s definitely treading lightly and pinning one against he other. I’d hate to see this blow up in his face. Dr. McDougall is not one to hold his tongue! Watch out Nelson. This is not a battle you want.
I'd love to see a rebuttal.
Jacob Parker I don’t. I hope they just let it pass by. We don’t need any more crap going on right now.
Do you know anybody who reversed his diabetes?
@@MReza-nq3pd yes, me!! My A1c went from 10.6 in May to 5.8 in September. High carb whole food plant-based works!
@@PlateAndProgress Were you still taking your diabetes medication during those months?
Im going to try removing fat from my diet and see if I lose body fat
"The fat you eat is the fat you wear"
in isolation is not correct, if you only eat fat your body will burn fat
but in practical terms it is a true statement because most of the fats we eat, even from whole foods are not pure fat, they are a combination of carbs, sugars PLUS fats 95% of the cases
when that is so, your body will burn the sugar and store the fat so
in isolation the phrase may seem wrong, but in practice it is accurate for the most part
I wish people could offer their advice and knowledge without slamming other plant-based doctors. That would be ideal.
Sorry, I slam all plant based doctors. That's no diet for any human being. It's making too many people really sick.
Love this information! Thank you so much 😊
I love this!!! Favorite interview ever.
I love your channel and all your content!! Great video
I love nuts but I rarely eat them because whenever I eat nuts , I can't stop eating them :))
Please, guys. Don't do this. Don't we have enough controversy in our life already. I follow all of you, and I value each and every one. I get something of great value to me each time I hear any of you speak, but like any sane human, I take what I can personally use and leave the rest. I don't expect everyone to agree on everything 100% of the time, because in most cases you are all on the same page. But Please, don't sink to the level of our politicians and make everything personal. I am afraid that if that happens, I will be forced to move on.
Move on then
This is clearly a Q & A about concerns people have eating plant based.
It's not a debate that you believe it is.
Bty... even if it was, debate is healthy.
Idk how you follow them all because so many believe such different things. I like Dr. McDougal but I don’t follow him. This clip helped relieve my anxiety I was developing from listening to them all!
The title is clickbait. But it's expected among doctors and scientists that other doctors and scientists will disagree with their ideas. That's intellectual exchange, not fighting.
As a society, and in general, are we at the point where everyone is Vegan or plant-based and overconsumption of greens is now a problem that must be addressed?
Wow... if only...
I found this particular issue un necessary & damaging considering that this 2 doctors ate iconic in the wfpb community & respected & revered! They also are friend and respect each others but to put them in such a contrast I found it not cool & misleading on ur part! In-fact Dr. Campbell does not criticize Dr. McDougal instead he specifies that the refined oil are the worse offender & yes we understand that our body is more complicated then “ the fat u eat is d fat u ware” that is a simplistic yet catchy iconic phrase pointed at animal products & refined super processed oils. I love & follow ur channel you do a great job all the times but this one was not explained well and presented with a misleading headline, thank you!
8:24 Check out Dr. Campbell's face after hearing "maybe we shouldn't even be eating the lowly potato" XD Too funny
"We shouldn't use that as a blanket statement", is not what I would call slamming.
Every single day I eat 7 grams of walnuts, 10 grams of pumpkin seeds, 10 grams of sunflower seeds, 1/2 Brazil nut and 10 grams of ground flax seeds. I’ve lost 20 pounds in under six months. True, my diet is vegan, so it’s not only about fats. I track it on Cronometer app.
what else do u eat tho? (am interested, please)
make sure you buy nuts in shell and you break it--the commercial already to eat nuts all old rancid and toxic
I personally have found that I have needed all these great people's ideas, at different times. I started out very over weight...and have lost a considerable amount of weight over time, by using the ideas presented by many of these great people. People are different and what works for some people do NOT always work for another. I have had these last few pounds that I just can't shed and it bothers me...I want them off, so I got more strict with the SOS free people. I have added in the carbs(potatoes, whole grains) and eliminated the nuts and have minimal seeds, eliminating chocolate and coconut and the last few pounds are coming off. My point is this...we need them ALL. All the ideas will help in a journey to a Healthy whole foods plant based life...and I'm thankful for them ALL.
I just watched this again. This is a ham-handed interview by a son who is trying to manipulate his elderly father to agree with his agenda. Take this video down.
Did not see any manipulation on my part
“Slammed”?!? Come on. I am tired of this channel creating drama instead of just telling the facts. You make it seem like these doctors are adverse to each other when that only creates more confusion. Just tell the facts and stop trying to create a drama between doctors that are all in this together with trying to get the information out to the public
I think it is O.K. to try out certain ways to improve a patients condition, when he is already eating a plantbased diet. What‘s the harm of eating a few more greens? What harm is done when you tell people simplicified things like, the fat you eat is…, there is no harm done. It‘s not scientifically correct. But I cannot study medicine to eat healthy. So I think, you are perfectly right.
I wonder if the reason why Nelson Campbell is talking about plant-based fats with his dad is due to the fact that some younger plant-based doctors are stating the notion that PUFA and MUFA fats are healthy and not implicated in heart disease. Dr. Danielle Belardo is a new cardiologist strongly stating on her social media sites that PUFA and MUFA, including extra virgin olive oil is heart healthy. Of course this claim goes against our older plant-based doctors who particulary eschew any added oils, even EVOO. As I look at the recipes shared by a new cohort of plant-based docs, I see them use olive oil as an ingredient. Dr. Joel Kahn, also a cardiologist, but older, recently stated in a post that he lets his heart bypass patients eat olive oil if they like. He doesn't believe it will accelerate their heart disease. I think there is a reckoning happening on this point of plant fats among various folks in the WFPB community. Although oil is clearly not a whole food, several doctors advocating WFPB are not against some olive oil being used. Belardo gives her patients handouts which suggests they could eat 2 TBSP of EVOO daily. Also, another reason Nelson may be trying to get some agreement from his dad on the plant fats question is that their esteemed plant-based course now also has competition from Dr. Belardo as she is now advertising a new plant-based curriculum with CME credits. Clearly this is in competition with the E-Cornell course. Just after she announced her course, I see Dr. Klaper announce his Master Class. Along with some comments on this thread, I do not think we need to divide ourselves in the WFPB community. It certainly appears that plant-based docs interpret some scientific literature differently. I think it would be great if somehow these doctors could come together with their different perspectives and discuss the scientific literature in front of a public audience in order to reach some consensus. I do not wish to be in a particular camp. I just want to know the scientific basis for our decisionmaking to the best of our abilities.
Excellent Expertise!! Top notch info that is true and simple 👍✌👏
Dr. Campbell I love your work but in this case you need to read Dr. McDougall’s books. He does not say you can’t have nuts and avocados on the plant based diet. He said them use sparingly or not at all if you are concerned about your weight. When he said, “the fat you eat is the fat you wear” he was talking about added oil in or on foods such as olive oil
If you agree with Campbell you also agree with McDougall. The editing of this video just makes it look like they disagree.
All these Vegan doctors are heroes, they are not debating if meat has any benefit or processed oil! From personal experience weight-loss is effortless on the Mcdougall plan!
If you agree with Campbell you also agree with McDougall. The editing of this video just makes it look like they disagree.
I don’t get this at all. It looks to me as though McDougall is talking about what happens in a caloric surplus (I’m sure he must know that this is the only time that fat is stored and is likely working on the assumption that everyone will know that’s what he means).
yes he was. but a long sentence is not effective in communication.
just look at the name FAT THAT IN ITSELF SHOULD TELL YOU WHAT IT WILL DO WHEN ITS STORED IN THE STOMACH OR THE POTBELLY!!! ITS GOING TO MAKE YOUR BODY FATTY.
@Cathey Towers-Rey Not me I had a very Bad Experience with the Disgusting Ugly Fat i hate fatty Foods they slug me up and Make my Belly look obese Looking
@Cathey Towers-Rey Fat is a storage Carbs is for Burning On a High Carb diet i can eat tons of Carbs with no Restriction but if i Eat things with a lot of fat i do gain weight within i have done it before and every single time i gain a ton of weight
@Cathey Towers-Rey I come from a past of Fatty eating and Had a terriisble experience from it it makes me nauseous and vomit and fat i look in the mirror i start thinking all negative about myself and also got a diagnosis cause by fat One time i ended up in a hospitable of food poisoning on a iv drip so yeah I HATE FAT WITH A VENGENCE ITS THE REASON IM IN THE STATE IM IN! AND THE REASON I NEARLY KILLED MYSELF BECAUSE OF THIS UNHEALTHY FAT.
Recently coming from a very high meat diet and high wheat,I've cut these both out and now focus on potato,cornmeal,almonds,legumes and vegetables,I can't eat oats or rice as I'm intolerant,also no fruit,my joint pain is almost gone,I suspect it was through gluten or high purines in the meat I consumed,does my diet sound ok? I'm new to this and have limited knowledge,thanks
Sounds good . Add a B-12 supplement, and D3 in winter time(there is vegan d3 sourced from lichen/available with k2 on amazon). Experiment with different plant foods. Some fat is ok - especially in whole food forms like olives, seeds, nuts,avos . I also do not eat wheat. I have been vegan and gluten-free for 16 years. There is gluten-free pasta made from lentils/rice now( among other kinds ). Chia seed/flax seed are good on salads. Salads and soups are my go to meals,but boiled potatoes are great,too. A little processed vegan food is fine from time to time. Check out Chef AJ on RUclips and Dr. Milton Mills.
'The fat you eat is the fat you wear' is a response to people who think that carbs make you fat and who don't seem to be concerned at all about dietary fat. It's an oversimplification, but a useful one for everyday conversations.
It can also be useful as a temptation quasher! Every time I'm tempted to eat 4 (or 6 or 8; oink!) Thin Mints (they're VEGAN) instead of just one, I tell myself "the fat you eat is the fat you wear" and it keeps me from stuffing the other 3 (or 5 or 7) in my mouth.
I love this man he has wisdom and he is maching it with science!
Really? What's the science? There is none.
Interesting perspective on the matter.
PBN Thank u so so much for clearing this up because i used to hear dr. MacDougall a lot and that's the only thing i just couldn't wrap my mind around. Coz i am from India and our vegan food contains a lot of plant based Fat such as Nuts and all. So this statement "Fat u eat is the fat u wear" was really bugging me for a while. Thank u so much for clearing this up.
Have you read: The Starch Solution or the new edition of the China study? Both books explain all this. Both say the same things.
Excellent this has been needed for better understanding all these wonderful doctors I follow, however I have had reservations about the fat you eat is the fat you wear, thanks again
Thank you for this video. I agree with Dr. Campbell on this for the most part.
My response should have been more complete: If you read their books, you'll see that if you agree with Campbell, you also agree with McDougall. The video just makes it look like they disagree.
@@tom-ys7pd I have watched both of their content and they do vary on things so that's not necessarily true. In one of his talks Dr. McDougall mentions how eating some oils is ok whereas Dr. Campbell is a bit more strict on the matter and would rather people get their fats from whole foods like nuts and seeds for example.
@@chiyerano My response should have been more complete: If you read their books, you'll see that if you agree with Campbell, you also agree with McDougall. The video just makes it look like they disagree.
What this doctor said is exactly what doctor MacDougal teaches people. He didn't say anything different. When it comes to avocados, nuts and seeds he advices some people to leave those out only if one is having a hard time loosing weight like myself while eating those things. I had to take em out cause I was gaining weight while on a plant based diet and eating nuts, seeds and avocados. Now I've lost all the weight I needed to loose and I've added them back to my diet with moderation because I will start to gain weight if I eat too much of that and it's just how my body works. Some people can keep eating all those nuts and avocados and still loose weight and that's how their body works. So for some it is true that the "fat you eat is the fat you wear."
The only problem with nuts is the quantity we eat. It’s easy to eat cups of shelled nuts and seeds which really throw your calories into the weight gaining zone!
I've lost 70lbs in 11 months going whole food plant based. No exercise yet. I eat 1/4-1/2 cup of nuts and seeds a day. Yet still I've lost 70lbs 🤔
Dr Gregor does point out that a small amount of fat (eg a couple of walnut halves) helps the body absent the nutrients in green leafies. Consumption is one thing, absorption another. If you don’t absorb nutrients, there’s little point eating them in the first place.
awesome! thank you!
McDougall is talking about animals fat and isolated fat, he isn't referring to a fats found in whole food.
There is no disagreement here.
Yep.
Dr Cambell was not told the concept behind Dr. Joh McDougall phrase “fat you eat is the fat you wear” Im sure John agrees with Cambell´s comment. But its taken out of context. We all know that carbs, fat and protein are sources of energy for our body. What Dougall was saying was that our body digest carbohydrates before it uses fat. So if you eat an hamburger, the bread and the salat will be used for energy and the fat in the burger will go in the fat "stock" for later use. Problem though is that we come back and eat more food BEFORE the body get to need that fat from burger. The body will use both carbs and fat as energy as long as we give it a chance. So therefore.. if you want to lose weight. Do not use oil/avocado/nuts when your´e eating your salat/or potatoes for that matter
love Dr Campbells view on not worrying about eating certain foods fr certain nutrients, even if its not true its what i HAVE to beleive just to live my life, eating wasnt meant to be so complicated, makes me wonder if a diverse fruitarian diet might be the healthiest diet afterall!
Yes! Some of these WFPB people were causing me anxiety because they eat their greens at every meal. I can’t eat greens like that as they cause me digestion issues. This helped me chill! 😅
@@TheIndecisiveWigWearer yea focus on having fun and doing what you gotta do and eating as healthy as you can at the time it is what it is wel be right :)
If you agree with Campbell you also agree with McDougall. The editing of this video just makes it look like they disagree.
I definitely like the idea of keeping it simple!
I think it's out of the context. People are trying to find excuses to don't believe in the uncomfortable things Dr. Mcdougall says. Like soy products can cause as much cancer as dairy. Vegans love their mock meat, nut cheese and avocado too much and they will say that they are vegan for the animals and not just for health.
It seems to me that the interviewer and the question are far more superficial than McDougall's statement. I'm sorry for Dr. Campbell been part of this uncomfortable moment. They missed Dr. Mcdougall's point about that in nature avocado has a short season of few weeks and nuts have hard shells, so you do not consume them so often. Today in North America one can eat avocados every day all year long and nuts are peels and ready to consume in cups, daily.
Furthermore, Dr. Esslestine had been said that if you have cardiovascular disease, you should avoid any fat, even whole food plant-based fat like avocado and nuts. For people with an overweight problem, even fat from whole food plants like avocados and nuts can be an issue or a trigger to calorie overeating. And last but not least, If you read How Not to Diet, Dr. Greger uses this statement a few times to strengthen that idea, and he loves it.
He basically agreed with Dr McDougall. Avoid oils. Whole food fat is ok if you don't need to lose weight.
I went on a fat-free plant based diet. I had my cholesterol and triglycerides taken before and after and my cholesterol came down but my triglycerides went up
Does anyone know why this would happen?
I whole heartedly agree 🙏
I took "the fat you eat is the fat you wear" as the fat from the pint of plant-based ice cream I'm about to eat will go to my butt and gut!
Great interview! I love what he had to say about how we have inflated the idea of "nutrient density." It's easy to get hung up on whatever the latest "superfood" is.
It’s the simplistic approach to the bounty nature gives that’s so important.
Well said
the implication that this a disagreement between Campbell & McDougall is misleading. McDougall, of all people, certainly does NOT find fault with eating the fats in whole plants.
Sorry, totally off topic but ....those glasses brought me back to my childhood, loved the rubbery feel on the outside. Haven't seen those in a few decades.
I love my tahini and peanut butter and walnuts. I can't gain weight eating the stuff even if I try, and it's always mixed with carbs usually from oats, beans, and sweet potatoes. I even make peanut butter and banana ice cream. Absolutely zero weight gain from it, but I've always been underweight being born premature so maybe this is unique to me. I agree the fat you eat is the fat you wear, but simply eating nuts and seeds combined with other healthy whole plant foods isn't likely to cause much weight gain assuming you aren't eating a jar of peanut butter per day. The rate that whole nuts and seeds turns into energy is so slow, that basically you can burn it while it's turning into energy at about 2-3 calories per minute while conserving muscle glycogen as you have fats to burn. Now oil on the other hand, is absorbed into the bloodstream at about 25 calories per minute. You can't burn that, so it all gets stored.
Carbs make me fat, fact! Everyone is different, what works for you may not work for the next guy. Do what works for you.
Wrong
That doc being interviewed looks like he's been around awhile but man I can tell his brain is sharp as a tack!!! It took him no time to think before replying and his answers were very clear and detailed. I compare this to my mom for example who is now 102 years old but her mind started slowing down in her 80's, and now can't even remember who I am. 😢
that video was 3 yrs ago he is 90 now and still just as sharp. You should chat at Dr. Esseltyn and his wife he is 90 also are sharp and in great health.
Eating a higher fat diet from whole foods means my weight loss slows down just by the simple fact that the calorie deficit is lost. Once I start adding tahini, avocado, nuts, it just halts. I find it hard to control the portions of high fat whole foods and I wind up overeating them. (Really the problem).
Unfortunately, Dr McDougall's mantra, "The Fat You Eat is the Fat You Wear", may confuse those people who regularly eat fat-rich foods (eg, avocado, nuts, seeds, coconut, tofu, olive oil) whilst being able to lose weight or maintain a healthy weight. So, what does Dr McDougall actually mean by his mantra? Well, let's rephrase it in order to better represent what he means by it according to nutritional physiology:
"Approximately 97% of the excess fat calories that you eat will be stored in your body as fat tissue, whereby 'excess fat calories' are those calories that your body does not need in order to maintain its current weight". Put more simply, "Nearly All of the Excess Fat You Eat is the Fat You Wear".
So, what about carbohydrates? Well, excess carbohydrate calories first get stored as glycogen mainly in the liver and skeletal muscles. Once the body's storage capacity for glycogen has been completely filled, approximately 70% of any further excess carbohydrate calories will be stored as fat via the process of de novo lipogenesis. Put simply, "The Excess Carbohydrate You Eat Is Unlikely to Become the Fat You Wear", unless your body is rebounding from a long period of starvation (see the Minnesota Starvation Experiment).
The fat you eat is the fat you wear is a pretty great slogan when you are trying to convince standard dieters who are overweight/obese to try your plan to become healthy.
Although this video is misleading. No one is advocating overconsumption of refined oils (which is incredibly easy) and they even speak of "moderation" when it comes to nuts and seeds.
I am 100% plant based, active, even eat junk food sometimes. We don't use oil in the house as to help avoid lots of excess calories but outside of the house vegan food is fair game! Dropped 40 lbs once going plant based and don't even track calories to keep it off. The whole lifestyle is fantastic! Eat a ton and be nice to people! I am in!
This seems to be edited? I think I'll try to find the full interview!
The key is, a handful. so many go all out when they consume them or they can be a trigger food. I think limiting some walnuts to breakfast is a great idea. Anything else is a risk...unless you have the absolute self control under control. And potatoes are so satisfying. Love em.
Old but gold.
That was a very poorly done interview and a cheap shot at Dr. McDougall and Dr. Esselstyn. Pathetic really.
Dr Campbell is a god whose work has managed to touch an infinite number of lives. The movie Plant Pure Nation, a masterpiece, it's probably more popular than the book The China Study. Dr Campbell's word is as good as gold. God bless the Campbell's families for their brave and outstanding contribution to humanity, the environment and our fellow earthlings! 🤗☺️😁
I remember a few years ago Dr Campbell attacked Dr Fuhram for saying vegans should eat 4 nuts a day. Now he back-tracks.
Good catch.
Where is that info at I have never come across hearing him say anything like that.
I'm sure most of this was taken out of context. And the thing about greens is not accurate. If you are a coronary artery heart disease patient, eating copious amounts of greens is one of the best and fastest ways to repair and restore the healthy function of the endothelial cells. That along with removing the foods that damage the endothelium. The 9 servings of greens a day is for people who are in an acute situation and literally need to save their own lives. And fast. To say it's not healthy to do is irresponsible. The situation is different. I suppose it looks extreme from the outside. But it's not more extreme than heart surgery. Dr. Esselstyn calls coronary artery heart disease "a benign food-borne illness". I'm disappointed that this information would be displayed out of that context and made to look like quackery instead of the incredible life-saving program it is.
Absolutely correct. With a high-carb low-fat diet our body preferentially burns off excess carbohydrates through adaptive thermogenesis because the process of lipogenesis, the manufacturing of lipids from carbohydrate sources is extremely inefficient. The catch is you have to eat low-no fat to harness this effect because the body will simply stock up on glycogen with the carbs and add the excess in dietary fat to the fat stores. It also means you won't lose weight without a deficit (at least part of the time) because your body will preferentially use glycogen stores rather than enter ketosis. However, high-carb low fat combined with intermittent fasting does wonders. I dropped from 220 to 130 ripped and remained stable until I experimented by adding in more fats. Now I'm 160 and planning to cut back down to 130 using the tried and true methods.
Dr Greger recently did mention in a vid that high fiber diet will absorb the fat in the stomach/intestine and flush it out hence the fat you assimilate may make you fat but not necessarily the fat you eat then?
Obviously, it's what we absorb, not just what we eat.