So why not just use peak alloy on traditional cartridges to amplify their performance, 243, 270, 3006, etc. instead of making a whole new caliber cartridge???
I have no issue with them creating a new cartridge, however I had a similar thought as you. What happens if they use this peak alloy and fast burning powder in existing rounds? In theory it should just mean increased velocity/performace across the board right?
When will Federal release intel on how to reload these cases. I understand it can be done but requires additional steps. Next, when will Federal release the smokeless powder necessary to achieve the velocities?
@@jonathanrogers9961 Not sure if it was a youtube comment, video, or other online article but the way I understood it is that Federal would eventually "release" the powder to reloaders "eventually." I took it to infer that releasing it means not available to anyone vs "reveal" which might imply a powder we all know about already
I'm hoping that instead of a bunch of new cartridges trying to reinvent the wheel, all the old cartridges get updated to take advantage of these new alloy cases and higher chamber pressures
@@Cloth_Gloves The problem with old cartridges is the rifles that chamber them may not be safe at these higher pressures, and for that reason it will never happen commercially.
nope. the extra charge is to go to cartridges we don’t need instead of getting all manufacturers on board with updating barrel twist in existing calibers and better mag fit for reloading longer bullets
This doesn't change the dozens of other cartridges which use a brass cartridge case, and this is only a point in time item. Early rolled brass cases weren't reloadable either. This cartridge requires learning new reloading techniques and at this time has limited case life. So what? There are plenty of hunters and shooters who do not reload. For these hunters this cartridge may have appeal. Perhaps five or ten years from now "Peak" allot may actually be as reloadable as brass.
The American market wants the cheap blasting ammo we used to get from Russian steel-cased ammo. Can this tech be cheaper than brass to bring prices down?
Gee, it would be nice if you guys make some 7 x 57 in the 140 gr Nosler Partition loading along with 338 Winchester Mag 210 gr Nosler Partition. But you would rather spend time and a boat load of money on this. Well at lease make the cases and make priners in enough quanities that I can actually go find some were I live! My guess its no and double no on the two mentioned cartridges.
At this point RCBS running 12 passes on a case and not being able to effectively work the case. Maybe be honest about this never being a reload option.
@ronaldtrask3444 I do like the highter velocity you're getting with the heavy projectiles with this cartridge. That's one thing that's always bothered me about the 7 rem mag.
So currently Federal is saying it will be retail $52 - $82. That's not too much more than other premium offerings. But not having "range" ammo outside of premium competition ammo will be a hindrance.
@@ronaldtrask3444 Thank you! So $82 US is about $118 Cdn. Pretty close to my $120 estimate. It will definitely cost that much here. We seldom get big price breaks on premium ammo here. So, that'll be a hard "no" for me. I can get Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter for my .30-06 Sprg for about $62 Cdn/box at regular prices. Almost half the price. So I won't be switching anytime soon.
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So why not just use peak alloy on traditional cartridges to amplify their performance, 243, 270, 3006, etc. instead of making a whole new caliber cartridge???
thats right. its almost a 280 AI.
This was where I went to yesterday. An 80k psi 300 Win Mag would be just fine for me, but feel that there’s lawyers involved somewhere here…
I have no issue with them creating a new cartridge, however I had a similar thought as you. What happens if they use this peak alloy and fast burning powder in existing rounds? In theory it should just mean increased velocity/performace across the board right?
Old bubba will try to shoot them in a rifle that can't handle these pressures like a really old bolt gun or maybe some of the auto loaders.
@@gerry6.8exactly, it’s a liability issue. Plus if they can get this to catch on I’m guessing it will be more profitable.
Do this with every cartridge
When will Federal release intel on how to reload these cases. I understand it can be done but requires additional steps. Next, when will Federal release the smokeless powder necessary to achieve the velocities?
the powders are already available, you will just be using a larger quantity of a faster burning powder than normal for the case size.
They are likely using a powder based on h322, or something similar
@@jonathanrogers9961 Not sure if it was a youtube comment, video, or other online article but the way I understood it is that Federal would eventually "release" the powder to reloaders "eventually." I took it to infer that releasing it means not available to anyone vs "reveal" which might imply a powder we all know about already
Pistol power. 😂
@@jonathanrogers9961 not that easy...
an actual innovation in firearms. right on!
Bring the 338 Federal back with Peak Alloy
Yeah, that would be awesome.
Just size 277 fury brass into 338 fed. Works great.
@z987k Do you know anyone listing high preasure loads?
@@ronaldtrask3444 it's technically a wildcat? so no. You have to work this up yourself.
Is this "Peak Alloy" case capable of being reloaded?
@@jaimesanborn308Where did you get this information? Please give us a credible source.
@ In Buffalo, WY?
yes
@ How do you know that?
Yes, says so on their website
Can it be reloaded, and how many times can the case be reused?
Federal says yes, haven't heard the amount.
If I wasn't forced to buy things from Vista, I absolutely wouldn't.
28 Nosler should be king of 7mm. But the short barrel life made it king of the consignment rack. Hopefully this cartridge is more successful
I will upgrade in about 10 years when all the kinks are fixed. I went with 6.5 and have had no issues since but after 10 years when it came out.
It will definitely be interesting to see what kind of velocities these new casings provide the reloading community.
I'm hoping that instead of a bunch of new cartridges trying to reinvent the wheel, all the old cartridges get updated to take advantage of these new alloy cases and higher chamber pressures
@@Cloth_Gloves The problem with old cartridges is the rifles that chamber them may not be safe at these higher pressures, and for that reason it will never happen commercially.
@@Pete856modern rifles chambers can withstand 120k psi the cases are the limiting factor with the pressure not the chamber of the rifles.
Any corrosion concerns???
This magical material is also known as "steel"
How much more expensive is this peak alloy case going to be vs brass for us reloaders??
Can we have 5.56 for $0.30 per round instead of things like this?
Those days are gone
Exactly. I posted roughly the same thing before seeing your reply here.
nope. the extra charge is to go to cartridges we don’t need instead of getting all manufacturers on board with updating barrel twist in existing calibers and better mag fit for reloading longer bullets
Trust me, you want this. This is truly the future of case technology.
This isn’t 2017
The frustrating thing is that there's nothing for reloading, Now !
And only 6 reloads Sucks.
But less powder for each reload compared to a magnum round so you'll save money there. Might even itself out that way.
This doesn't change the dozens of other cartridges which use a brass cartridge case, and this is only a point in time item. Early rolled brass cases weren't reloadable either. This cartridge requires learning new reloading techniques and at this time has limited case life. So what?
There are plenty of hunters and shooters who do not reload. For these hunters this cartridge may have appeal. Perhaps five or ten years from now "Peak" allot may actually be as reloadable as brass.
So you created a round with pressure levels so high and velocities so hot, that it needs special cases. How long do you expect a barrel to last?
Can you do this with a 30-06 or 6.8 western?
You should make that same alloyd and tree stands .
The American market wants the cheap blasting ammo we used to get from Russian steel-cased ammo. Can this tech be cheaper than brass to bring prices down?
Unfortunately you guys have missed the boat with this cartridge. Backcountry is DOA. Such a limited audience.
Interesting. You guys should start a podcast like vortex and hornady
Gee, it would be nice if you guys make some 7 x 57 in the 140 gr Nosler Partition loading along with 338 Winchester Mag 210 gr Nosler Partition. But you would rather spend time and a boat load of money on this. Well at lease make the cases and make priners in enough quanities that I can actually go find some were I live! My guess its no and double no on the two mentioned cartridges.
I guess no one is concerned with shorter barrel life?
cant u just make a 280ai in peak alloy???? why the new chambering
That's the question!!!!!!
At this point RCBS running 12 passes on a case and not being able to effectively work the case. Maybe be honest about this never being a reload option.
Didn't Winchester offer a nickle plated steal case 15 years ago?
This is a totally different kind of steel
What pressure is it handling, 80K, 100k, 120k psi? SAAMI approval coming?
Federal website says 80K psi max pressure.
I don't think SAAMI will approve over 65k pressure...
@@deanriley4700they approved the .277 sig fury at 80k
@@deanriley4700 They approved 277 Sig Fury at 80K max pressure.
Tony Stark had something to do with this.
Next Marvel will come out with "Alloy Man" instead of "Iron Man" LOL
Ok Federal, tell me how to reload it...😂
Looks like a nickel case like. You'd find on 357 mag 460. Notice that don't say what alloy it is. Seems more like a rebrand marketing gemmick.
They are not nickel-plated brass like premium pistol ammo. This is more like NAS3 cases.
@@ronaldtrask3444 Well, if that's the case, they should be 50% lighter than a brass case of equal size.
@davidhomen6204 I am hoping so. That will be a great benefit.
@ronaldtrask3444 I do like the highter velocity you're getting with the heavy projectiles with this cartridge. That's one thing that's always bothered me about the 7 rem mag.
Barrel life will suffer badly high pressure also shorten barrel life big time
Get back to the basics Federal not what we the people need or want.
An entire video to communicate nothing.
Every chance federal has to do something great and they do this . SMH crash and burn in less than 3 years. Same as 7 wsm . 80k psi no thanks .
So, is all of this going to create another Gucci-priced cartridge? I'm all over innovation, but not if it's going to cost $120/box.
So currently Federal is saying it will be retail $52 - $82. That's not too much more than other premium offerings. But not having "range" ammo outside of premium competition ammo will be a hindrance.
@@ronaldtrask3444 Thank you! So $82 US is about $118 Cdn. Pretty close to my $120 estimate. It will definitely cost that much here. We seldom get big price breaks on premium ammo here. So, that'll be a hard "no" for me. I can get Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter for my .30-06 Sprg for about $62 Cdn/box at regular prices. Almost half the price. So I won't be switching anytime soon.
@@PonderosaOutdoors-20-gauge I didn't know you were in Canada. $120 is over the top.
So how would this compare to Nas3?
Tony Stark had something to do with this.