He’s talking about playoffs yet AD has only been to the playoffs twice and got swept once, Giannis lost in the 1st round last year to an injured Celtics team, and LeBron got swept by the same Warriors team Harden lost to.
superzayman1 Max’s argument was that Harden’s numbers fall off in the playoffs (which is true, his efficiency drops). If you look at AD’s numbers in the playoffs he plays better than his regular season numbers, and the same goes for Giannis. Your LeBron argument is just so far irrelevant that I’m not even going to reply if you know basketball and momentum works.
superzayman1 what the other guy said plus. Do any of player you mentioned rely on fouls as much as harden? That’s why Harden just deflates in postseason cause refs won’t give him enough fouls.
Kyle Chen Since Harden has been in Houston he averages 28/7/6/2/.5 in the Postseason and has 2 WCF appearances. If CP3 doesn’t go down they might have won the Championship. And the only reason I brought up LeBron is bc they said you had two chance to beat the Warriors and he came up short but the same thing happened to LeBron in the Finals. You can’t beat the Warriors 1 on 4. Giannis and AD may put up good numbers in the Postseason but it doesn’t lead to anything.
ESPN is about headlines. Harden has a huge profile. Simple enough basketball a game of dynasties. Most greats aren't going to win without another great. Maybe 1 between dynasties. Harden probably won't ever have the best teammates and will walk away ringless. Russ is going to be next. Eventually GA and Davis. Never Luka but that's other reasons.
@@Lakersfansince95 I listen to him on the radio and he definitely tries way to hard to be funny. He's actually a smart dude, but on the radio he's annoying as fuck.
When you hit someone’s arms when they shoot it makes it hard to drain the shot... this happened 3 times in game 7, he also made a shot with the foul and they didn’t count the basket, gave him just side out of bounds. The refs sucked warriors dick last year
I'll take kd any day just my opinion but i respect yours too though cause if kd isn't available give me Bron. But if kobe or Mj are around give me either player over kd or Bron.
Kanny Mytil when have those 2 been to a conference finals or a finals ..... yes he haven’t won yet but he went further then they have...... I would love to see u replace curry with harden on this team without another all star and see him carry us night in and night out so u FOH nigga
Kanny Mytil how many times has AD been in the playoffs? Twice??? With the first being a sweep? Lmao there’s a big difference bruhhh but yea keep that mindset up
Agree, AD will get swept by GSW or won't even make the playoffs and Bucks with Greek Freak will get eliminated by Boston & Kyrie. Basically Harden>Giannis&AD. If AD is this ''superstar'' he at least should carry them team in playoff spot like Harden currently does.
@@darrinhedges4034 Jr has a major reason for hate and he doesnt even get alot of hate have whens the last time u talked about Jr or even heard about him
Max- "He had 13 threes and hit 2" Ryan Hollins- "Guess what? That's what playmakers do!" .............can we not invite this guy back on again PLEASE. He's almost as bad as Shannon ANYTIME somebody mentions LeBron James.
If Max's argument against Harden is his playoff performances, what the hell have guys like AD and Giannis done in the playoffs?? And KD, who's proven himself in the Finals (twice!!), doesn't crack this man's top 5 wth man
since you did not understand anything i resay it again for you. James Harden Offense is at or maybe a tiny little bit better than LB,AD,KD,Claw, Freek, Curry.....his defense is worst than Curry and Curry Defense is avg at best. on top of that dude gets 5 to 8 PT from freethows that he does not deserve. to top it off...James Harden chokes in the playoffs every single year. he is not TOP 5. deal with it.
Well his argument is not an argument at all, it's a hypocrite list, he just puts at the top whoever he likes more and he tries to make an argument for it, by bringing players he doesn't like down and praising players he likes for their defense and their offenses being "simmilar". No they are not. Their offense is miles different. gtfo.
@@DanikonLUK bad fg% helped by his flops who doesn't play defense. He can shoot, finish, and pass really well making him top 10, but just that and not more which is GOOD!
@@austinclubb2093 He doesnt play defense but is number 4 in steals in the nba. And an elite shot blocker for a guard. 42% fig isnt bad for 41 points and a win.
Ryan Hollins speaking big facts tho💯 "Harden isn't good in the playoffs" - has been way farther in the playoffs than AD and Giannis. Keep in mind, since Kd went to golden state, not lebron not Giannis, not Ad, not kawahi, no one has gotten as close to beating the Warriors as James Harden but keep on hating. Notice how he never brings up stats when talking about harden but if its lebron oh man stats are everything. What a joke
Tyler Ellis James harden had the pleasure of having Cp3, ariza, Tucker, capela doing monster work defensively and shooting the lights out, let’s not act like harden is the lone wolf
treyvone scott Listen, I am NOT a fan of Harden AT ALL!!! But not a top 5? The current MVP? Come on fam what are we doing here? Bron, KD, Curry, AD & Harden. (Kawhi & Giannis honourable mentions) I don’t think Harden is better than Kawhi btw. But right now, Harden is top 5, simple. 🤷🏾♂️
@@SuperRainbowpoop Harden 30 yrs old and aint did shit but lose and quit in the playoffs. Team went down 3-2 so he quit and shot 2 shots in the first half of the next game. Not to mention he got that who ever defense...that blow by defense. Last time he was in the finals was because he was with KD n Russ and he choked in that finals too. He wass 22 yrs old in that finals n didnt do shit. Kyrie was 22 yrs old in the finals dropping 40. Gtfo Harden overated asf
If you wanna talk playoffs there is no way you can say Gannis and AD are better than harden harden has been to the finals and wcf twice his team always wins more games then those 2 can you just give the man his respect and for all of you who keep saying he scores 8 points off free throws look it up MJ did the same thing
MJ didn’t have more career free throw attempts than field goal attempts tho, to say Jordan was shooting FT’s at near the same rate as Harden is ridiculous. Also team success doesn’t directly correlate to a players skill level because the Bucks and the Pelicans have just been bad teams with generational talents on them, opposed to the rockets who have a HOF coach, had a deep bench full of shooters and defenders last year, and a top 5 Point guard. Also when Harden got to the finals he played abysmally
Giannis is only 24 with no real second star and had a roll of duct tape as a coach last year. We will see how it goes this year. Woulda been nice to see AD with Boogie but that didn’t pan out.
@@jackkorinek3630 So we just forgot that before coming into the season westbrook won mvp that everyone had the rockets not even being a playoff team because "he aint good" and "the team in deep" but when those players fall in line with harden and they have good seasons because of him its because he has a loaded team?
Sensei Damageyourmulz He’s not better than LeBron He’s not better than Steph He’s not better than AD He’s not better than Kawhi He’s not better than Giannis He’s not better than KD Not top 5
Daniel no they don’t look at usage rating look at the system and percentages, stats don’t mean much if their Similar and can’t put up against the best teams
So if you compare the seven players he mentioned (AD, KD, LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis, Curry, Harden) by their numbers this season It’s safe to say Harden is an MVP candidate. PTS/36 - 1st PER - 3rd TS% - 4th FTr - 2nd AST% - 1st STL% - 1st WS/48 - 4th VORP - 1st
So 25 players in the 3pt era have had 35+ usage in a single season with over 500 minutes played and out of all of those 2018-19 Harden is: 7th in PER 7th in WS/48 4th in PTS/36 4th in AST/36 1st in TS%
There is no Number for his Blow by defense. His whoever defense. Player blow past him and he just chops at the ball lmao. Do He even attempt to block shots? Wade average a block a game so dont give that SG shit. And is this regular season stats??? Who give a shit about regular season
Well there’s 124 PG/SG that have played over 300 minutes this season and Harden is 7th in Steals/36 and 20th in Blocks/36. It’s really hard to defend his effort on defense most of the time but I didn’t know we determine the MVP by looking at half of their game. His OBPM is first out of all guards and its 1.6 higher than Curry who is second and 3.2 higher than Kyrie who’s third. His offensive contributions are just too high to exclude him from MVP talks because he has average or below average defense. Also yeah I’d say the regular season is important when the original comment is addressing them talking about a regular season award.
When you score 35 on 34 shots? Not impressive 39 on 35%? Not impressive. 8+ assists per game but 5.3 TOV? He veeeeery inefficient. He’s 44% FG. But let’s take into account this. Hawk may times does he shoot, miss, flop then get the call? Of he doesent get the calls he flops on his fG would be near the mid 30s and I ain’t exaggerating.
I fully agree I think the league should address the way that they call defense of falls if an offensive player initiates contact they shouldn't be bailed out with a call 80 percent of harden points come from the foul line he shoots 20 free throws a game no exaggeration
Not sure what his name is. But the guy defending harden couldn’t possibly be more right. Harden is EASILY top 5 not up for debate, accept it. No one can do what he can do
Dude Harden is not better than Lebron, KD, AD, Kawhi, Giannis and Curry. Even if you believe that he is saying that he is not is a valid opinion even if you disagree.
Was that supposed to be sarcasm? Because Max is right, Harden is NOT top 5. Dude picks and chooses when to play defense and chokes in the biggest moments.
AD and Giannis combine for a grand total of 1 win in the second-round, while Harden has led the Rockets to the WCF twice in the past 4 years. So how do the playoffs put those guys over Harden?
And chokes every time lol Ad got put out by golden state and Giannis got put out by the celtics who clearly were stacked yall stop you put harden on either of those teams and they dont make the playoffs
daddyjeff27 AD got outplayed by the Warriors’ 4th best player in Draymond in that series, while Giannis had Middleton who averaged 25 on 60% and still lost to a Celtics team led by a rookie in scoring.
Kai ThaGuy how is AD is underrated? Ad is definitely a top 3/4 player in the nba. Like everybody knows that AD is going to be the best player in the nba here soon. James harden has a hall of fame point guard on his side. Imagine AD having cp3
1-Lebron 2-Leonard 3-Durant 4-Davis 5-Curry 6-Antetokounmpo (need to improve mid range shooting to be top 5) harden, Irving, embiid, westbrook #7 you choose one, either way its ok so, mx is right on the money this time
I'm sorry but the best right now is Harden then Curry Durant James George Leonard Antetoukounmpo That's only my opinion but feel free to state your opinions in my list
How is KD above Curry when Curry is outplaying him on the team? Come on now. Lebron- It's Lebron. AD- He's having a monster season, still averaging a double-double I'm sure. Curry- Having a monster season even despite his injury.. just killing it. KD- Having a decent season for KD standards but it's because the ball's in Curry's court. Harden- I'm sorry but we cannot ignore these 40-50 point games Harden is consistently dropping.. His AST and REB are decent too. He may not be a consistent player and definitely not consistent in the playoffs.. But for Regular season MVP, he's in the top 5 conversation. It's arguable but I could even put him over KD.
Suinade what basketball are u watching? Kd leads golden state. Fuck are u talking about. If it wasnt for him they would have never got 2 rings back to back.
@@ashtonmap7148 Exactly! So why exactly are we trying to put him over Harden when he hasn't done nothing? He has to win some more awards and play some tough playoff games to even be considered, This proves that niggas just be propping players up in a effort to diminish James Harden. James is a MVP, that alone instantly puts him over guys AD, Giannis, and yes even Kawhi Leonard. What does Lebron, KD, Steph, & JH all have in common? MVPs! Thats the top four in whatever order you wanna flip it.
@@mblackman1170 The argument is Harden was never an mvp candidate at 24 and was barely in the voting at 25, yes he has achieved more success over than giannis and ad, but giannis and ad have achieved more success earlier on.
@Mikey Gray lol middleton bledsoe brogdon = crappy team? Good one. I still think he's better than Harden but we have to start holding Giannis accountable for the playoffs.
ËlŸ mvp doesn’t make you the best player. It just means you’re the most valuable to your team and can score points or help carry them. But harden is a flopper master
@Female Body Is The Hottest Thing Ever the thunder wins without westbrook the cavs r one of tje worst teams in the whole nba without lebron so lebron is more valuable
Espn executives saw Max becoming too likeable among fans so they said, “What bullshit can we make him say to become the next Skip? Oh oh oh how about KD and Harden aren’t top 5 players.”
How can you expect James Harden and the Rockets win Golden state With Curry, KD, Clay, Green after CP3 got injured? I'm talking about the same Golden State that swept LeBron and the Cavs in the Finals man come on. Ryan got a point
BRUHHHH, i remember a couple months ago Max literally said, “There are 5 players going to be better than Durant and that KD was going to decend from top 5, he said Harden, LeBron Kawahi AD and one other person thats going to be better than KD. Now he says Harden isnt top 5, these fukin people i swear
This didn't age well. Harden hit 2 game winners in one game against the warriors to force overtime and win in overtime. This is coming from a blazers fan who hates Harden and the rockets.
@@mushtacular9399 I hate the style of basketball the Rockets use, it's not fun to watch. Lots of iso ball. That's why it never works in the playoffs, because refs won't call as many fouls.
Not really a harden fan because of his flops. But seriously all of them act like they are facing a good team to lose in wcf. They are facing a GREAT team. Asking harden to win alone against gsw ? Thats asking too much . None of the players they named out there even leads their team close to winning gsw. Thats the only thing all other nba teams havent done . Beating gsw in playoffs. Harden faced gsw every year thats the problem why they havent reach the finals. Its always gsw , they are always the team to beat. Teams out there wanted a real run at winning championship first and only thing they need to do. They need to focus on beating gsw only. Thats what the rockets did. Forming a team solely on trying to beat GSW
dunno why these guys keep making the fact that harden lost game 7 against the warriors or even shot 2-13 on 3s that game lol, they already having a hard time with Paul against that warriors team and him going down lol.. you put 2 guys on harden and that's twice hard to score against and twice the pressure lol and he can't even throw or let Paul facilitate cuz he's out.. let's face it warriors is a very strong squad and you at least need 2 stars to at least challenge them.. It's not like warriors are a bad team and stupid in which they already know Paul is out yet still don't offer twice the defence and pressure on their lone star scorer lol.. Given 10 games of game 7 imo without Paul 8/10 or even warriors 9/10 warriors win it you'll probably beat warriors on a game 7 playoff game if they shooting bricks all day and I mean KD,klay and steph all shoot bricks which rarely happens lol...
I'm pretty sure out of all the playoff series the warriors played in 2018 (maybe even in the KD era altogether, i don't remember for sure), no one but the Rockets won a single game. The Rockets won 3. Think about that, the supposed 2nd best team in the NBA (because they went to the finals even though they didn't win) DID NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME, but "choker" Harden let a team to one game away from winning.
@@HarryGoldbergTV Thought about it. Surprisingly all 3 wins came with CP3 as a leader, just like Max said. James Harden didn't win one game vs them and his team was up significantly in both game 6 and game 7. And honestly, I take last year's Rockets without Chris Paul over last year's Cavs in a heartbeat and here's why: Houston has a system that works without Chris Paul. When Harden is doubled without CP3 on the court he still makes the same play as when he's doubled out of it with Chris Paul: passing out of it to a shooter for 3 or Capela under the basket. Houston was good defensively last year and if Harden did more on that end they would be even good without CP3. But Harden isn't. LeBron on the other hand had a team that was good on one end of the floor and there was only one way of winning games: outscoring the opponent. That comparison you made is flawed in two ways: Harden had the better team around him and secondly he didn't win 3 but 0 games. He contributed to 3 wins but CP3 was the main factor and it's fairly obvious when you look at a series of indicators: Harden's playoff performances in general, Harden's performance without CP3 both in the playoffs and in the regular season, plusminus, on/off stats, CP3's impact as a leader, who's stepping up when things get tough etc etc. With the exception of this season and health I'd even add CP3 to that list and take him over Harden
This guy said Nash looked better than he was ? I’m done with his opinions I don’t think Harden is top 5 but you leave Nash out of it! That man is a saint 😐
Every week it’s something from these mfs. First Giannis not a mvp-caliber player then James harden not top 5 nor is KD. Ik im in the new generation but these “old heads” are the real crazy ones.
I normally dont like Max's takes but this time he makes a point. Out of those 6 other players, who do u take harden over? Lebron kd kawhi giannis steph ad all are better players
I kinda agree with Ryan for once , Davis and Giannis are mostly graded based on their age and potential with their size and athleticism They haven’t really done anything in the playoffs that substantial yet, Harden teams usually always makes deep playoff runs so I have him under Curry and LeBron .
Hollins is great at putting words together and speaking clearly, he usually just says a bunch of crap though. I can't stand him on the Clippers telecast's
AD wasnt able to carry his team to playoff for long tome bro Greek freak still dont have jump shot Teams attack Curry in the playoff he is liability in defense I give you Lebron, KD and Kawhi
You should acknowledge that Curry is repeatedly double teamed and triple teamed in the playoffs. KD averages seven open shots a game cause Curry is the defenses top priority.
Going by max argument, giannis, AD shouldn’t b in d top 5.. cause they haven’t done shit in d playoffs.. I have watched max disrespect KD saying he ain’t top 5.. but have watched KD demolish every opposing player guarding him.. even d self proclaimed king..and shows up when it matters most. Max also said steph is better than harden but judging by his standards for picking best players, steph playoffs numbers ain’t on par with his regular season numbers and yet he got a better team.. and for this pundits to say if u are d nba mvp, u should at least carry ur team to victory but I guess that only applies to harden.. when steph won d regular season mvp, why couldn’t he help his team beat Cleveland? He had 2games to deliver but he choked.. and d media blamed it on him being injured..curry has always been a front runner.. he goes missing when d team is in a scrappy game.. James harden played against a team with 4 all stars and took them to a game 7 with cp3 as his second best player who isn’t an all star.. and if that’s d criteria for judging jh, then let’s apply that to d self made king James.. who had 2 fellow all stars in kyrie and k.love and still couldn’t even take d gsw to a game 7.. harden for me is d 4th best player behind James, KD, Klaw.. these players have been battle tested and have proven themselves.. and JH is next in line.. not until ad, giannis proves themselves in d playoffs, they can’t b included in d top 5 conversations..
@@colinschmitt6571 so when LeBron had d greatest choke in NBA history against Dallas, did that stop people from saying he's d best in d world? Or when in Cleveland he couldn't get to d finals cause he was d only all-star in d team u don't see people holding that against him..
This is probably Ryan Hollins best argument since being on the show. He was actually making good points, but I don’t James harden is 3rd , but Ryan was making good points
A system making a player "look" better than they are?? Then used nash as an example? No. Harden just scored in the 40's 2nite in a win vs warriors in oakland. He made an impossible 3 to win it. A system doesn't make u score 40 plus in 5 or 6 straight games (with wins btw) in a league where the other teams know you're capable of scoring 40 and design defenses to stop you... and you still put up 40 pts. That's not because of a "system", fool. And i actually aint even feelin harden like that. But The more I hear max nowadays the less I wanna hear max nowadays.
I'm a fan of James Harden, but he's getting a ton of points for two reasons. First of all, he's pretty much the only REALLY dangerous weapon on offense for the Rockets with CP3 out so of course his numbers go up as he carries the team. Second of all, James Harden benefits MASSIVELY from free throws. He has more fouls called in his favour from behind the three point line ever. Since 2016, he has over 200, no one else even has 90. He has around as many as 2, 3, and 4 combined. Even this year, he's averaging a career high 33.6 points per game, but he shoots 11 free throws a game. 9.4 of thoss 33.6 points come from the free throw line, and when the playoffs come and the refs let them play, Harden is much less dangerous. Since he was traded to the Rockets when he was 23, James Harden averages 10.24 free throws per game. That's between a third and half of his points on a season by season basis.
When you talk down on Harden and the playoffs you better name me others players that have dont better. AD, Giannis etc haven't did a damn thing in the playoffs, remember Harden had the rockets in the Western finals before CP3 was signed he was carrying Hou that far. The notion that 1 MVP is expected to or should be frowned upon because he couldn't beat a team with two MVPs and 4 all stars all together is bullshit. If you don't like his game then so what but all the other talk is bullshit. You don't lead the league in PPG year in and out off foul calls.
Stfu you bitch. Harden has more years in the playoffs then AD and Giannis have in the NBA. Harden hasnt done shit but quit and lose. No body wants to play with him. Btw Curry in 2015 had Klay and Barnes. Still Got a ring. You Jackass
yeahyeahyeah what 2015 curry won against an injured ass cavs team and harden took the greatest team ever assembled to a game 7 which they would’ve won his cp didn’t go down
@@vampcash88 2015 Curry came out the west. He didnt just jump to the finals. Klay and Barnes aint no better then CP3 and Eric Gordon. Who said that was the best team ever assembled?? Lmao. Green is overrated and not better then Iggy. Iggy was out 4 games that series against the rockets
Max out here lookin like a genius. Harden nothin more than Melo 2.0. A guy who'll never put in work on the defensive end. Harden+coach+management should've realized their short comings and made sure it was *paramount* to keep every great defender they had, goin all the way back to patrick beverly.
nabil chowdhury idk bout all them being better than him but harden is def top 5. He’s one of those players who not only gets his own buckets but he makes his teammates better. He’s the best in the league at drawing fouls (like it or not), he’s def one of the best closers in the game, and he’s defense got better overall. I personally wouldn’t put steph out there more so bcuz I feel like harden can produce more consistently and harden has better defense 💪🏾
It’s because refs let teams play in the playoffs. Look at the raptors Derozan crashes the rim and gets calls in the regular season, but look at the playoffs and he was trash. Harden relies on his free throws and in the playoffs he won’t get as many
People think i dont like Ryan Hollins cause he wasnt an all star player and went into reporting straight after his career. Neither did Richard Jefferson, but he's an amazing broadcaster without even trying, without doing the stupid hot take to get clicks, just speakin from the heart. Hollins is trash, cmon. You can tell hes being disingenous to get a TV job. We dont like that Ryan, it aint that we dont like you, we dont like your disingenousness
Max!!! u cnt argue Harden drops off in da playoffs but put the greek freak before him..He hasn't done shii.. Max top 5 are gud players BUT... who really has proven anything other than Bron nd KD.. Steph is definitely in the top 5 as well.. I love AD but what has he done.. I wanna see what Kawhii can do this season...
@Sleezo Porter "I wanna see what Kawhi can do"...Finals MVP, 2 x DPOY; & he carried the Spurs to the WCF in 2017 with an injured Parker, inconsistent Lamarcus Aldridge, and an OLD Ginobli. He would've won the Spurs 1 or 2 games in the WCF had Zaza not messed up his ankle. What more do you need to see?
Look at these guys screaming about someone they can never be. Like plz these people get paid to sit there and argue about who is the better basketball player ?? wtf. We got stats for that pshh
Harden is top 5 offensive player but not top 5 player Greek Freak Kawhi + Kawhi Laugh King James KD 🐍 AD Are all better players.. Westbrook Curry These two are debatable
Everyone holding Harden accountable for game 6 and 7. Acting like Golden State isn’t a 4 headed monster. How he gonna beat them himself? I would like to see Max Kellerman try to make a single layup on the warriors. Smh Harden is top 5
@The Duke if james dumb then what do you call giannis or ad who sometimes cant get to the playoffs? Do they thrive under pressure? They aint winning how they thriving then? They cant even get out of the first round, hating on the man who going toe to toe with gsw 4 on 1 is what i call dumb. Yall acting like gsw dont have 2 mvps and james is putting pressure on those dudes lebron cant even touch those guys wcf with gsw and rockets looks more like the finals than lebron vs gsw at times
Jordan would have closed it out Kobe would have. If LeBron was in hardens shoes with a game 6, and 7 he would have closed it out. The hell with it T mac would have too, Manu ginobli would have, Kyrie Irving, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. If Harden has better offence than all of these Guys then he should have closed it out.
Y’all bash James harden for loosing to the warriors in game 7 but don’t bash Lebron for getting swept ? Harden is a top 5 player .. stop hating on the man and give him credit ...
@@elijahtrosclair purely hypothetical jordan cant even make the playoffs without pip so youre saying he can take 4 allstar at once? Same with kobe, lebron got swept he cant even win a single game against them, manu a sixth man he not even starting what makes you think that? Tmac cant even win a playoff series hell he cant close that one either, kyrie can take the last shot sure but he cant take the last shot if bron is out to make it a close game, he cant even make the playoffs w/o bron. All the people you said was greats but lets not act like 4 the 4 superstar gsw had were scrubs theyre mvps defensive players and arguably the 2 best shooters the game has ever seen plus theyre playing in todays basketball.
@@elijahtrosclair thats why i said it was hypothetical because before we start talking about closing out, we need to first know if the game was even close, 4 to 1 is just too hard like you said with bron its just hard to fight a 4 headed that even the best player in the world didnt even stand a chance. My point with mj is that hes nit winning w/o pip what makes you think he can touch gsw? Even if he had 2 games to win 4 star players had a higher chance to win those games as it was a game to game basis, and stop using regular games to compare playoff series its different
Ryan Hollins is bottom 5 all time
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LOLLL it's fukn funny cuz it's trueeeeee
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I really needed this laugh after Christmas was over
Seriously Hollins was such a joke
James Harden walks into the building and is awarded free throws before he even starts his warm ups
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Big facts!!!
U sound like a hater if bron or curry got to the line that often no problem there right
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eddie hhh they actually do get to the line that often he just really doesnt watch basketball
4:06 Max’s expression is everyone else’s when they listen to Ryan Hollins talk
this dude is a fucking moron his points do not make sense and hes not funny when he yells like Stephan a smith
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ESPN needs to find a complementary Sports Anchor to Stephen A other than Ryan Hollis because he is an embarrassment as a Professional Sports Anchor
Same at 2:53. Max can't even control how hard his eyes are rolling.
He’s talking about playoffs yet AD has only been to the playoffs twice and got swept once, Giannis lost in the 1st round last year to an injured Celtics team, and LeBron got swept by the same Warriors team Harden lost to.
superzayman1 Max’s argument was that Harden’s numbers fall off in the playoffs (which is true, his efficiency drops). If you look at AD’s numbers in the playoffs he plays better than his regular season numbers, and the same goes for Giannis. Your LeBron argument is just so far irrelevant that I’m not even going to reply if you know basketball and momentum works.
superzayman1 what the other guy said plus. Do any of player you mentioned rely on fouls as much as harden? That’s why Harden just deflates in postseason cause refs won’t give him enough fouls.
Kyle Chen Since Harden has been in Houston he averages 28/7/6/2/.5 in the Postseason and has 2 WCF appearances. If CP3 doesn’t go down they might have won the Championship. And the only reason I brought up LeBron is bc they said you had two chance to beat the Warriors and he came up short but the same thing happened to LeBron in the Finals. You can’t beat the Warriors 1 on 4. Giannis and AD may put up good numbers in the Postseason but it doesn’t lead to anything.
In short these guys doesn’t what talking about..
ESPN is about headlines. Harden has a huge profile. Simple enough basketball a game of dynasties. Most greats aren't going to win without another great. Maybe 1 between dynasties. Harden probably won't ever have the best teammates and will walk away ringless. Russ is going to be next. Eventually GA and Davis. Never Luka but that's other reasons.
Ryan Hollins is trying too hard doesnt come across natural
Do you know him personally to know that that's not his true personality or are you just hating/talking shit for no real reason guy?
this is tv. everyone is trying too hard.
He doesnt seem very articulate. Which makes it seem like he doesnt know wat hes talking about
Kellerman and Stephen A are just good actors, none of these guys have anything smart to say
@@Lakersfansince95 I listen to him on the radio and he definitely tries way to hard to be funny. He's actually a smart dude, but on the radio he's annoying as fuck.
“He took 13 threes and made two!” “THATS WHAT PLAYMAKERS DO!!”
LMAOOOO 😂
When you hit someone’s arms when they shoot it makes it hard to drain the shot... this happened 3 times in game 7, he also made a shot with the foul and they didn’t count the basket, gave him just side out of bounds. The refs sucked warriors dick last year
Snake you are making excuses because your used to harden getting every call
Snake
That shit never happened
Lmao he imitates the contact. They stop calling that bullshit in the playoffs ;)
@IslangDong317 he never gets the call tho
Hey random person scrolling down the comments..
Happy New Year, and all the best in 2019 :)
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Cheers mate!
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Guelph, ON?
Thanks bro. You too.
When I consider top 5 they are always the players who are mostly good at everything in basketball but Harden isn’t 5 he’s 7 I agree with Max
1. Lebron
2. Lebron injured
3. Leron's beard
4. Lebron with the flue
5. KD
5. LeBron on the bench*
I'll take kd any day just my opinion but i respect yours too though cause if kd isn't available give me Bron. But if kobe or Mj are around give me either player over kd or Bron.
Munashe Msipa LeBron on the bench by far is the best player in the world.
You edited and still spelled flu, flue 😂😂😂
His beard looks like a baby bib
Ryan Hollins is the worst basketball player AND worst sports analyst ever
Infinite LITERALLY 😂😂😂😂
He not the worst ball player if he in the league and we watching on TV lmao.
Worst analyst - Paul Pierce.
jalepeno89 paul pierce had veteran first hand experience. Ryan averaged 3 points his whole career
Worst analyst contender is Chris Webber for sure
James harden in the thumbnail looks like he's just about to lead the isralites through the red sea
VINAYAK BHAT w
Lol
Bruh 💀
This convo went 0 to 100 in record time
I was thinking the same thing 😅
Who else came back here after harden just wrecked the warriors 😂😂
Harden just single handidly toasted the warriors. Anyone who doesent accept Harden as a top 5 player is the definition of mentally incapable.
Harden is literally so underrated he’s the best player in the league!!! He gets BUCKETS
Harden just shutting up these fools that havent watched him since he took over Houston. Hell get his recognition. Hes showing it now.
He's top 10
Definitely a top 5 player
Lol harden scores 8+points just from the undeserved freethrows
He once had 27 points and had 2 field goals.... call me crazy but he's got some serious foul hunting powers
Alen Ajradinović lmao he also leads the league in turnovers
Ese Omoru no he didn’t shut up bruh😭🤦🏾♂️
Ese Omoru damn really? Haha
@Space Alien lmfao
Max argument is based around playoffs. Giannis and AD haven't sniffed Hardens success in the playoffs yet he doesn't factor that.
TX Boss what success? Harden got a chip??? I ain’t think so all of them same level when it comes to playoff talk.FOH
Kanny Mytil when have those 2 been to a conference finals or a finals ..... yes he haven’t won yet but he went further then they have...... I would love to see u replace curry with harden on this team without another all star and see him carry us night in and night out so u FOH nigga
Kanny Mytil how many times has AD been in the playoffs? Twice??? With the first being a sweep? Lmao there’s a big difference bruhhh but yea keep that mindset up
@@loopyzz you dumb if you think harden better than AD
Agree, AD will get swept by GSW or won't even make the playoffs and Bucks with Greek Freak will get eliminated by Boston & Kyrie. Basically Harden>Giannis&AD. If AD is this ''superstar'' he at least should carry them team in playoff spot like Harden currently does.
Max sweatin after tonight's game
Dylan Lafleur Probably, thinking about to come up with a new argument. he’s knows nothing. Harden is just greatness!
Dylan Lafleur hell yeah😂😂💯
Altamash Majeed Wani Nah, James Harden’ always tries really hard in the regular season but not in the playoffs he is just burnt out.
Altamash Majeed Wani he just got clapped by the warriors again, sorry buddy playoffs is where it’s at
If he wasn't allowed to flop and travel, Harden wouldn't even be Top 10.
EGarrett01 all time NBA lineup
C Kaydee
PF Senior
SF Emjayy
SG Coebee
PG Kuri
@@Craig-bo5fl who us senior
if lebron isn't allowed to travel, flop, and push off is it the same thing?
First person to finally point out the obvious...harden literally gets handed points
FACTS
Damn Harden is that man because everyone has something to say about him. The hate is real.
J. SMITH I guess Carmelo Anthony is that man and JR Smith too because everybody has something to say about them 😂
Facts
@@darrinhedges4034 Jr has a major reason for hate and he doesnt even get alot of hate have whens the last time u talked about Jr or even heard about him
@@Kung-x6b couple days ago
Craig belto and so does harden. no one likes his game outside of rockets fans. it's gimmicky. either a step back 3 or a foul
Legend has it he's still step-backing to this day.
Max- "He had 13 threes and hit 2"
Ryan Hollins- "Guess what? That's what playmakers do!"
.............can we not invite this guy back on again PLEASE. He's almost as bad as Shannon ANYTIME somebody mentions LeBron James.
If Max's argument against Harden is his playoff performances, what the hell have guys like AD and Giannis done in the playoffs?? And KD, who's proven himself in the Finals (twice!!), doesn't crack this man's top 5 wth man
Shourya Sangam whenever ad has been in the playoffs he has dominated
His point was Harden shouldn't be MVP due to playoff performance, not top 5.
wolf_6 so AD get beat by the warriors 4-1 and Giannis is a first round exit yet they’re top 5? Okay
since you did not understand anything i resay it again for you.
James Harden Offense is at or maybe a tiny little bit better than LB,AD,KD,Claw, Freek, Curry.....his defense is worst than Curry and Curry Defense is avg at best. on top of that dude gets 5 to 8 PT from freethows that he does not deserve. to top it off...James Harden chokes in the playoffs every single year. he is not TOP 5. deal with it.
Well his argument is not an argument at all, it's a hypocrite list, he just puts at the top whoever he likes more and he tries to make an argument for it, by bringing players he doesn't like down and praising players he likes for their defense and their offenses being "simmilar". No they are not. Their offense is miles different. gtfo.
“he’s efficient” when he goes 15-35 for 41 pts (and 6 TO mind you)
he's the most efficient player in the league besides giannis who just dunks
@@DanikonLUK bad fg% helped by his flops who doesn't play defense. He can shoot, finish, and pass really well making him top 10, but just that and not more which is GOOD!
Sacastic right thats not efficient thats average
@@austinclubb2093 He doesnt play defense but is number 4 in steals in the nba. And an elite shot blocker for a guard. 42% fig isnt bad for 41 points and a win.
Can't argue with fact don't try. grndvL is right.
ESPN: We need more ratings
Max: Hold my beer.
😂😂😂
A rare W from Max.
Jon155 boo
HELL NO
@@Erick-io5xi Yes. Deal with it
@@aminallam4188 Lmao
L
How can you put Giannis in top-5, he hasn't even won a playoff series yet
Akylas Strat he has tho 🧐
He can't win in Milwaukee.
Of course he has.
1- he has 2- I don’t think giannis is forsure top 5 but he’s begged than harden cause he’s a choke
well he's on his 4th year in the nba compared to hardens 9th year in the nba, and the bucks second best player is middleton compared to cp3
Ryan Hollins speaking big facts tho💯 "Harden isn't good in the playoffs" - has been way farther in the playoffs than AD and Giannis. Keep in mind, since Kd went to golden state, not lebron not Giannis, not Ad, not kawahi, no one has gotten as close to beating the Warriors as James Harden but keep on hating. Notice how he never brings up stats when talking about harden but if its lebron oh man stats are everything. What a joke
Tyler Ellis ,
James Harden is a great shooter but can not stand on his own, he always needs the referees assistance to to do so!
Kawhi was beating GS before he got injured. Not saying they would have won but they might have also been able to push to 7 games.
Tyler Ellis James harden had the pleasure of having Cp3, ariza, Tucker, capela doing monster work defensively and shooting the lights out, let’s not act like harden is the lone wolf
Kawhi could have tried and it would be close.
Lebron came back from 3-1 idiot
Max got a tech for talking foul about Harden 😂
OK, Max, so if KD and James Harden aren’t T5 players, THEN WHO TF IS?!
You said two of them kd and bron, also kawhi, curry, AD, and Giannis. All of them are more complete players than harden
Yeah he says a diff player is not a T5 player every week
Max bout to get a technical for talking about Harden.
I love Max but he needs to stop 😂 fam, if KD ain’t top 5 and Harden ain’t top 5, WHO THE HELL DOES MAX CONSIDER A TOP 5 PLAYER??? 😂😂
FvckWitDreDay no harden aint a top 5, max is delusional when he says kd is not a top 5 though
All LeBron
Top 5:Lebron,Kd,curry,kawhi,Ad
Ad giannis kawhi curry Bron
U can disagree but it ain't crazy to pick these 5 guys
treyvone scott
Listen, I am NOT a fan of Harden AT ALL!!! But not a top 5? The current MVP? Come on fam what are we doing here? Bron, KD, Curry, AD & Harden. (Kawhi & Giannis honourable mentions) I don’t think Harden is better than Kawhi btw. But right now, Harden is top 5, simple. 🤷🏾♂️
Max next week: there are no top 5 players in the NBA. Only LeBron James.
Jermaine Mitchell he said lebron, AD, Greek freak, kawhi, KD and they are all better than harden
Jermaine Mitchell lmaoo
DatBoiiDee e max said KD wasn’t even top 5 😭
kevin mitchell thank you. Max is the worst
kevin mitchell well he said KD is number 5 and he’s fighting for the 5 spot.
He’s usually wrong. But here, he is right.
If Anthony Davis and the Greek Freak are in top 5, why don’t they ever taker over the game offensively in 4th quarters during close games?
apark02 and where are they in the playoffs? Oh right choking Harden is def a top 3
They are 24 yrs old
Giannis Has shown up in the 4th quater a bunch of times
@@SuperRainbowpoop Harden 30 yrs old and aint did shit but lose and quit in the playoffs. Team went down 3-2 so he quit and shot 2 shots in the first half of the next game. Not to mention he got that who ever defense...that blow by defense. Last time he was in the finals was because he was with KD n Russ and he choked in that finals too. He wass 22 yrs old in that finals n didnt do shit. Kyrie was 22 yrs old in the finals dropping 40. Gtfo Harden overated asf
Harden has more years in the playoffs then AD and Giannis have in the NBA. That why people have them better then Harden
If you wanna talk playoffs there is no way you can say Gannis and AD are better than harden harden has been to the finals and wcf twice his team always wins more games then those 2 can you just give the man his respect and for all of you who keep saying he scores 8 points off free throws look it up MJ did the same thing
Yeah MJ shot a lot of free throws, but Harden gets more calls than MJ got. For one, MJ didn't flop
MJ didn’t have more career free throw attempts than field goal attempts tho, to say Jordan was shooting FT’s at near the same rate as Harden is ridiculous. Also team success doesn’t directly correlate to a players skill level because the Bucks and the Pelicans have just been bad teams with generational talents on them, opposed to the rockets who have a HOF coach, had a deep bench full of shooters and defenders last year, and a top 5 Point guard. Also when Harden got to the finals he played abysmally
Giannis is only 24 with no real second star and had a roll of duct tape as a coach last year. We will see how it goes this year. Woulda been nice to see AD with Boogie but that didn’t pan out.
@@jackkorinek3630 So we just forgot that before coming into the season westbrook won mvp that everyone had the rockets not even being a playoff team because "he aint good" and "the team in deep" but when those players fall in line with harden and they have good seasons because of him its because he has a loaded team?
Harden has been deeper in the playoffs than AD & Giannis but his performances in playoffs are always trash dudes a choke artist always has been.
Only player to record 2000points 900 assist and 600 rebounds in a season. He Sounds pretty good to me.
Sensei Damageyourmulz
He’s not better than LeBron
He’s not better than Steph
He’s not better than AD
He’s not better than Kawhi
He’s not better than Giannis
He’s not better than KD
Not top 5
Charles Washington except he’s literally better than all 5 of them stats speak for themselves
Daniel stats lol
Daniel no they don’t look at usage rating look at the system and percentages, stats don’t mean much if their Similar and can’t put up against the best teams
False. Russell Westbrook did that
Edit:: Well I guess he was like 60 assists off but he got more rebounds and points
I would like to see Stephen A. shout at this guy Ryan for saying James Harden is a top 3 Player
So if you compare the seven players he mentioned (AD, KD, LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis, Curry, Harden) by their numbers this season It’s safe to say Harden is an MVP candidate.
PTS/36 - 1st
PER - 3rd
TS% - 4th
FTr - 2nd
AST% - 1st
STL% - 1st
WS/48 - 4th
VORP - 1st
Dane W
Usage rating 36% landslide
So 25 players in the 3pt era have had 35+ usage in a single season with over 500 minutes played and out of all of those 2018-19 Harden is:
7th in PER
7th in WS/48
4th in PTS/36
4th in AST/36
1st in TS%
There is no Number for his Blow by defense. His whoever defense. Player blow past him and he just chops at the ball lmao. Do He even attempt to block shots? Wade average a block a game so dont give that SG shit. And is this regular season stats??? Who give a shit about regular season
Well there’s 124 PG/SG that have played over 300 minutes this season and Harden is 7th in Steals/36 and 20th in Blocks/36. It’s really hard to defend his effort on defense most of the time but I didn’t know we determine the MVP by looking at half of their game. His OBPM is first out of all guards and its 1.6 higher than Curry who is second and 3.2 higher than Kyrie who’s third. His offensive contributions are just too high to exclude him from MVP talks because he has average or below average defense. Also yeah I’d say the regular season is important when the original comment is addressing them talking about a regular season award.
When you score 35 on 34 shots? Not impressive 39 on 35%? Not impressive. 8+ assists per game but 5.3 TOV? He veeeeery inefficient. He’s 44% FG. But let’s take into account this. Hawk may times does he shoot, miss, flop then get the call? Of he doesent get the calls he flops on his fG would be near the mid 30s and I ain’t exaggerating.
the team is nothing without harden
nigga, he averages 32 on 22 shots
I fully agree I think the league should address the way that they call defense of falls if an offensive player initiates contact they shouldn't be bailed out with a call 80 percent of harden points come from the foul line he shoots 20 free throws a game no exaggeration
Smart finnaly someone with a brain
@@samuelakinfenwa6532 nah they still a playoff team
Anybody can get 40 points if they shoot 35 times
Anybody cant do shit bro this guy is a allstar and you beimg very disrespectful to a great player
You could take 135 shots an only score 13 points you fucking bum lmao
You don't know basketball
Stop lol you're making yourself look stupid
Yea and get 16 free throws. Hes a bum. I use to like him. But hes single handedly ruining the nba.
Not sure what his name is. But the guy defending harden couldn’t possibly be more right. Harden is EASILY top 5 not up for debate, accept it. No one can do what he can do
Offensively yes. All around player the others out match him
All star players can match him, if not, are definitely better than him. THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE
Zay- ellé hahah other all stars can outmatch him??!! Your funny
hes a system player who shoots 20 free throws a game, the fuck does he do dude? lmao
nabil chowdhury argument for Westbrook lmao just stop
Lmao Max is on a roll, his next prediction will be Ronaldo isn't a top 5 player in soccer..
Dude Harden is not better than Lebron, KD, AD, Kawhi, Giannis and Curry. Even if you believe that he is saying that he is not is a valid opinion even if you disagree.
It’s football. The fuck outta here with that soccer shit
@@carloseduardoazevedodossan36 He's better than AD and Giannis becaue he's more accomplished and has done more with less.
Was that supposed to be sarcasm? Because Max is right, Harden is NOT top 5. Dude picks and chooses when to play defense and chokes in the biggest moments.
FOOTBALL
He’s not top 5 but he’s definitely top 10
Absolutely. He's in the 7-10 range....I'd put him seventh behind Lebron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Curry, Davis.
Jeff Brisson dude giannis better than steph or Ad ?🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
LeBron
KD
AD
Kawhi
Giannis
Steph
Harden
Russ
Embiid
Kyrie/Dame/PG
makis papachristou best list I’ve seen so far
@@makis7383 Curry is the second best player in the world. To not even have him in the top 5 is absurd
AD and Giannis combine for a grand total of 1 win in the second-round, while Harden has led the Rockets to the WCF twice in the past 4 years. So how do the playoffs put those guys over Harden?
And chokes every time lol Ad got put out by golden state and Giannis got put out by the celtics who clearly were stacked yall stop you put harden on either of those teams and they dont make the playoffs
daddyjeff27 AD got outplayed by the Warriors’ 4th best player in Draymond in that series, while Giannis had Middleton who averaged 25 on 60% and still lost to a Celtics team led by a rookie in scoring.
I agree AD and Giannis are highly overrated tom me. Shit AD has a legit good team this year and is in the 14th spot n the West.
@@daddyjeff27 harden got put out by gsw in 7 it took 5 for them to take ad out try again
Kai ThaGuy how is AD is underrated? Ad is definitely a top 3/4 player in the nba. Like everybody knows that AD is going to be the best player in the nba here soon. James harden has a hall of fame point guard on his side. Imagine AD having cp3
I love Harden and respect him as a competitor, but the dude almost always gets away with travels. Its ridiculous
thats a gather step..its legal in all ball clubs now
An people want to get on IT for doing the same thing .
the entire NBA gets away with travels... what’s ur point ???
serialkiller77 man stop the bull shit
serialkiller77 he doesn’t make the calls
1-Lebron
2-Leonard
3-Durant
4-Davis
5-Curry
6-Antetokounmpo (need to improve mid range shooting to be top 5)
harden, Irving, embiid, westbrook #7 you choose one, either way its ok
so, mx is right on the money this time
Nah..
Lebum
KD
Curry
Leonard
Davis
Gianni's
And everyone else
Your dumb
I'm sorry but the best right now is Harden then
Curry
Durant
James
George
Leonard
Antetoukounmpo
That's only my opinion but feel free to state your opinions in my list
How is KD above Curry when Curry is outplaying him on the team? Come on now.
Lebron- It's Lebron.
AD- He's having a monster season, still averaging a double-double I'm sure.
Curry- Having a monster season even despite his injury.. just killing it.
KD- Having a decent season for KD standards but it's because the ball's in Curry's court.
Harden- I'm sorry but we cannot ignore these 40-50 point games Harden is consistently dropping.. His AST and REB are decent too. He may not be a consistent player and definitely not consistent in the playoffs.. But for Regular season MVP, he's in the top 5 conversation. It's arguable but I could even put him over KD.
Suinade what basketball are u watching? Kd leads golden state. Fuck are u talking about. If it wasnt for him they would have never got 2 rings back to back.
How can you put giannis so high, if he has not pass the first round yet
He only mentions that when talking about harden, as if the Rockets can't pass the 1st round or something
because he's 5 years younger than harden and has been in the league for 4 years compared to hardens 9 years
@@ashtonmap7148 Exactly! So why exactly are we trying to put him over Harden when he hasn't done nothing? He has to win some more awards and play some tough playoff games to even be considered, This proves that niggas just be propping players up in a effort to diminish James Harden. James is a MVP, that alone instantly puts him over guys AD, Giannis, and yes even Kawhi Leonard. What does Lebron, KD, Steph, & JH all have in common? MVPs! Thats the top four in whatever order you wanna flip it.
@@mblackman1170 The argument is Harden was never an mvp candidate at 24 and was barely in the voting at 25, yes he has achieved more success over than giannis and ad, but giannis and ad have achieved more success earlier on.
@Mikey Gray lol middleton bledsoe brogdon = crappy team? Good one. I still think he's better than Harden but we have to start holding Giannis accountable for the playoffs.
Last years MVP not a top 5 player 🤔
ËlŸ mvp doesn’t make you the best player. It just means you’re the most valuable to your team and can score points or help carry them. But harden is a flopper master
That was LeBrons MVP that Harden stole
@Female Body Is The Hottest Thing Ever A triple double who cares. Triple doubles are overrated now.
hes not better then Lebron , Curry, Durant, Davis, kyrie, or leonard
@Female Body Is The Hottest Thing Ever the thunder wins without westbrook the cavs r one of tje worst teams in the whole nba without lebron so lebron is more valuable
Why Ryan Hollins Jesus Christ
Brian Buz 😂😂😂 I know he stupid
Same thing I was thinking, jesus
RYEN FRESCO! 😂😂😂
Next Video: “Lebron is not a top 5 player.”
ChantonsLamour nigga what
I thought your profile picture was hair on my screen. Lol
@nabil chowdhury oh you can't be serious than who is
Espn executives saw Max becoming too likeable among fans so they said, “What bullshit can we make him say to become the next Skip? Oh oh oh how about KD and Harden aren’t top 5 players.”
Harden isn't lmao
1)LeBron
2)Kawhi
3)KD
4)AD
5)Greek Freak
Harden isn’t top 5 lol this is a pretty much known fact.
Most people agree Harden is shit.
The KD thing was ridiculous. The Harden comment is legit.
If they stop calling bullshit fouls tomorrow, do you think harden would score as much? Exactly
How can you expect James Harden and the Rockets win Golden state With Curry, KD, Clay, Green after CP3 got injured?
I'm talking about the same Golden State that swept LeBron and the Cavs in the Finals man come on. Ryan got a point
It became a free for all hack-a-rocket...refs swallowed their whistles in those games.
Haha well it just happened
how come james cant pull a win during game 6 without kd?
BRUHHHH, i remember a couple months ago Max literally said, “There are 5 players going to be better than Durant and that KD was going to decend from top 5, he said Harden, LeBron Kawahi AD and one other person thats going to be better than KD. Now he says Harden isnt top 5, these fukin people i swear
Top 5
5. Harden
4. Curry
3. Giannis
2. Lebron
1. Kawhi
C0brazz SZN kd...
2:22 ‘are you done?’ ‘YOU’LL KNOW WHEN I’M DONE!’ 😂😂
This didn't age well. Harden hit 2 game winners in one game against the warriors to force overtime and win in overtime. This is coming from a blazers fan who hates Harden and the rockets.
Then it would be 1 game winner then... are you slow?
@@ktat01 Well, that's still 2 more big-time shots than Curry now isn't it?
What do you mean “this didn’t age well”? That’s not the point max was trying to argue.
Why do you hate the rockets? Y’all always beat us. If anything the rockets should hate lilard and the blazers.
@@mushtacular9399 I hate the style of basketball the Rockets use, it's not fun to watch. Lots of iso ball. That's why it never works in the playoffs, because refs won't call as many fouls.
Max lost me when he tried comparing Jeremy Lin to James harden. Get off that crack
Rushie He didn’t. He compared their situation. The inflation of stats because of D’Antoni’s system.
Not really a harden fan because of his flops.
But seriously all of them act like they are facing a good team to lose in wcf.
They are facing a GREAT team.
Asking harden to win alone against gsw ? Thats asking too much .
None of the players they named out there even leads their team close to winning gsw.
Thats the only thing all other nba teams havent done . Beating gsw in playoffs.
Harden faced gsw every year thats the problem why they havent reach the finals.
Its always gsw , they are always the team to beat.
Teams out there wanted a real run at winning championship first and only thing they need to do.
They need to focus on beating gsw only.
Thats what the rockets did. Forming a team solely on trying to beat GSW
Max Kellerman really with it this time he got that!
dunno why these guys keep making the fact that harden lost game 7 against the warriors or even shot 2-13 on 3s that game lol, they already having a hard time with Paul against that warriors team and him going down lol.. you put 2 guys on harden and that's twice hard to score against and twice the pressure lol and he can't even throw or let Paul facilitate cuz he's out.. let's face it warriors is a very strong squad and you at least need 2 stars to at least challenge them.. It's not like warriors are a bad team and stupid in which they already know Paul is out yet still don't offer twice the defence and pressure on their lone star scorer lol.. Given 10 games of game 7 imo without Paul 8/10 or even warriors 9/10 warriors win it you'll probably beat warriors on a game 7 playoff game if they shooting bricks all day and I mean KD,klay and steph all shoot bricks which rarely happens lol...
I'm pretty sure out of all the playoff series the warriors played in 2018 (maybe even in the KD era altogether, i don't remember for sure), no one but the Rockets won a single game. The Rockets won 3. Think about that, the supposed 2nd best team in the NBA (because they went to the finals even though they didn't win) DID NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME, but "choker" Harden let a team to one game away from winning.
That’s not the playoff series he underperformed in it’s the previous years.
@@HarryGoldbergTV Thought about it. Surprisingly all 3 wins came with CP3 as a leader, just like Max said. James Harden didn't win one game vs them and his team was up significantly in both game 6 and game 7. And honestly, I take last year's Rockets without Chris Paul over last year's Cavs in a heartbeat and here's why: Houston has a system that works without Chris Paul. When Harden is doubled without CP3 on the court he still makes the same play as when he's doubled out of it with Chris Paul: passing out of it to a shooter for 3 or Capela under the basket. Houston was good defensively last year and if Harden did more on that end they would be even good without CP3. But Harden isn't. LeBron on the other hand had a team that was good on one end of the floor and there was only one way of winning games: outscoring the opponent. That comparison you made is flawed in two ways: Harden had the better team around him and secondly he didn't win 3 but 0 games. He contributed to 3 wins but CP3 was the main factor and it's fairly obvious when you look at a series of indicators: Harden's playoff performances in general, Harden's performance without CP3 both in the playoffs and in the regular season, plusminus, on/off stats, CP3's impact as a leader, who's stepping up when things get tough etc etc. With the exception of this season and health I'd even add CP3 to that list and take him over Harden
This guy said Nash looked better than he was ? I’m done with his opinions I don’t think Harden is top 5 but you leave Nash out of it! That man is a saint 😐
Fact's Nash never deserved a MVP
Big Boss we all know kobe was mvp that year im sure even nash knew
As a Nash fan...Max is right. Look at Nash in Dallas...he got better in the Mike D system and blossomed
Are you being silly or just dumb??
Straight up and I'm not a Lin fan but that boy was cooking and he put that team on his back for a decent stretch
Every week it’s something from these mfs. First Giannis not a mvp-caliber player then James harden not top 5 nor is KD. Ik im in the new generation but these “old heads” are the real crazy ones.
old heads nah more like new heads
I normally dont like Max's takes but this time he makes a point. Out of those 6 other players, who do u take harden over? Lebron kd kawhi giannis steph ad all are better players
Paul Canedo no i agree with that but why every week is somebody not top 5 last week it was kd
suddenly lebron isn’t top5 according to max kellerman
Paul Canedo nigga kd better than everyone u named 😂😂😂😂
Max is 100% correct
MAXIMIZING MAXIMUM KELLERMAN!!!
Is The Best at what he does.
Max just compared James Harden to Jeremy Lin. Just lost all credibility
I kinda agree with Ryan for once , Davis and Giannis are mostly graded based on their age and potential with their size and athleticism
They haven’t really done anything in the playoffs that substantial yet, Harden teams usually always makes deep playoff runs so I have him under Curry and LeBron .
Nah he lost in second round without paul and lost the game that paul was injured. He needs paul to go deep
take lebron out, the real unbiased top 5 would be KD, harden, curry, kawhi, and then maybe lebron
Last night's win against the Warriors was pretty convincing. Her makes a good point about the playoffs.
1.LeBron
2.KD
3.AD
4.Curry
5.Giannis
Big Boy Lebron,KD,Curry,Kawhi,Giannis,AD
U know u miss Stephen a when you up here agreeing with max 😂
PovicWorld bro i'd have to be on drugs to agree w max
Fire Hollins. Fire Molly & keep this girl.
Hollins is great at putting words together and speaking clearly, he usually just says a bunch of crap though. I can't stand him on the Clippers telecast's
i agree 100%. he flops, travels, NEVER plays defense, and never thinks he is in the wrong
AD wasnt able to carry his team to playoff for long tome bro
Greek freak still dont have jump shot
Teams attack Curry in the playoff he is liability in defense
I give you Lebron, KD and Kawhi
And harden isn't a liability on defense? Curry way better then Harden
Dude you defend Harden saying that curry is a liability on defense. At least he has rings being a liability.
You should acknowledge that Curry is repeatedly double teamed and triple teamed in the playoffs. KD averages seven open shots a game cause Curry is the defenses top priority.
curry will change the game, i ont give a fuck. curry top 2, yall can debate the rest
This guy just disrespected Steve Nash
Going by max argument, giannis, AD shouldn’t b in d top 5.. cause they haven’t done shit in d playoffs.. I have watched max disrespect KD saying he ain’t top 5.. but have watched KD demolish every opposing player guarding him.. even d self proclaimed king..and shows up when it matters most. Max also said steph is better than harden but judging by his standards for picking best players, steph playoffs numbers ain’t on par with his regular season numbers and yet he got a better team.. and for this pundits to say if u are d nba mvp, u should at least carry ur team to victory but I guess that only applies to harden.. when steph won d regular season mvp, why couldn’t he help his team beat Cleveland? He had 2games to deliver but he choked.. and d media blamed it on him being injured..curry has always been a front runner.. he goes missing when d team is in a scrappy game.. James harden played against a team with 4 all stars and took them to a game 7 with cp3 as his second best player who isn’t an all star.. and if that’s d criteria for judging jh, then let’s apply that to d self made king James.. who had 2 fellow all stars in kyrie and k.love and still couldn’t even take d gsw to a game 7.. harden for me is d 4th best player behind James, KD, Klaw.. these players have been battle tested and have proven themselves.. and JH is next in line.. not until ad, giannis proves themselves in d playoffs, they can’t b included in d top 5 conversations..
Dimanche junior Ewere no there teams didn’t win but they showed up and didn’t go 2/13 in their most important game
@@colinschmitt6571 so when LeBron had d greatest choke in NBA history against Dallas, did that stop people from saying he's d best in d world? Or when in Cleveland he couldn't get to d finals cause he was d only all-star in d team u don't see people holding that against him..
This is probably Ryan Hollins best argument since being on the show. He was actually making good points, but I don’t James harden is 3rd , but Ryan was making good points
I say KD, LBJ, Gannis, Sheph, Westbrook, AD,
A system making a player "look" better than they are?? Then used nash as an example? No. Harden just scored in the 40's 2nite in a win vs warriors in oakland. He made an impossible 3 to win it. A system doesn't make u score 40 plus in 5 or 6 straight games (with wins btw) in a league where the other teams know you're capable of scoring 40 and design defenses to stop you... and you still put up 40 pts. That's not because of a "system", fool. And i actually aint even feelin harden like that. But The more I hear max nowadays the less I wanna hear max nowadays.
I'm a fan of James Harden, but he's getting a ton of points for two reasons.
First of all, he's pretty much the only REALLY dangerous weapon on offense for the Rockets with CP3 out so of course his numbers go up as he carries the team.
Second of all, James Harden benefits MASSIVELY from free throws. He has more fouls called in his favour from behind the three point line ever. Since 2016, he has over 200, no one else even has 90. He has around as many as 2, 3, and 4 combined. Even this year, he's averaging a career high 33.6 points per game, but he shoots 11 free throws a game. 9.4 of thoss 33.6 points come from the free throw line, and when the playoffs come and the refs let them play, Harden is much less dangerous.
Since he was traded to the Rockets when he was 23, James Harden averages 10.24 free throws per game. That's between a third and half of his points on a season by season basis.
Ok Max definitely has a Kawhi Leonard shine
JesusFollower he should
Max kellerman making A lot of sense right now!
Harden is top 6
Lebron
KD
Steph
Kawhi
AD
James Harden
No lol
Ad #3 and i would put kawhi top 5 if he start palying 3 ganes on a row
Giannis. over Harden
VIDEOLOGY you mean giannis over Anthony Davis
Ill but greak the freak over ad
½ Take
When you talk down on Harden and the playoffs you better name me others players that have dont better. AD, Giannis etc haven't did a damn thing in the playoffs, remember Harden had the rockets in the Western finals before CP3 was signed he was carrying Hou that far. The notion that 1 MVP is expected to or should be frowned upon because he couldn't beat a team with two MVPs and 4 all stars all together is bullshit. If you don't like his game then so what but all the other talk is bullshit. You don't lead the league in PPG year in and out off foul calls.
Stfu you bitch. Harden has more years in the playoffs then AD and Giannis have in the NBA. Harden hasnt done shit but quit and lose. No body wants to play with him. Btw Curry in 2015 had Klay and Barnes. Still Got a ring. You Jackass
yeahyeahyeah what 2015 curry won against an injured ass cavs team and harden took the greatest team ever assembled to a game 7 which they would’ve won his cp didn’t go down
@@vampcash88 2015 Curry came out the west. He didnt just jump to the finals. Klay and Barnes aint no better then CP3 and Eric Gordon. Who said that was the best team ever assembled?? Lmao. Green is overrated and not better then Iggy. Iggy was out 4 games that series against the rockets
Max is spot on with this
1. Lebron
2. Kd
3. Curry
4. Giannis
5. Kawhi
6. AD
7. Harden
Thoughts agree or disagree?
This is current players btw
omer Loya I agree
That’s a good list mine would be a little bit different
1.Lebron
2.KD
3.Kawhi
4.AD
5.Steph
6.Lonzo
7.Harden
Jk Harden should be 6th
Max speaking straight facts. 100
All I hear is Flop
NLMB GBE all i hear is salt
@@KaosOwners shutup before Ingram and Rondo punch your whole team out again 🤣😎
@@youngboy_chiefkeefsosa3856 shut up before lonzo chucks up another brick 🤣😂
All I hear is flopping and turnovers.
NLMB GBE just like ZOs career so far 😂
He's 100% right...
Hes #7 at best
In no specific order,
LeBron
KD
AD
Giannis
Kawhi
Curry
Max out here lookin like a genius. Harden nothin more than Melo 2.0. A guy who'll never put in work on the defensive end. Harden+coach+management should've realized their short comings and made sure it was *paramount* to keep every great defender they had, goin all the way back to patrick beverly.
this ryan dude is a chump and should be banned from talkng
Harden is top 5. A game or two won’t change him overall as a player
nabil chowdhury idk bout all them being better than him but harden is def top 5. He’s one of those players who not only gets his own buckets but he makes his teammates better. He’s the best in the league at drawing fouls (like it or not), he’s def one of the best closers in the game, and he’s defense got better overall. I personally wouldn’t put steph out there more so bcuz I feel like harden can produce more consistently and harden has better defense 💪🏾
@@rambo_4_christ7 James Harden is not top 5 in the NBA
Stanley H how???? Who’s your top 5
@@rambo_4_christ7 1.LeBron
2.Kawhi
3.KD
4.AD
5.the Greek Freak
Stanley H nice... but I’m throwing harden in there over AD. He’s more of a threat
It’s because refs let teams play in the playoffs. Look at the raptors Derozan crashes the rim and gets calls in the regular season, but look at the playoffs and he was trash. Harden relies on his free throws and in the playoffs he won’t get as many
Glad u realize that, your a smart man 💪🏾
Brayden Morin except he’s still number 1-2 in scoring without his free throws
Brayden Morin take fts out of the game and harden would still be leading scorer
let Paul Pierce and Hollins talk. They are a perfect match
People think i dont like Ryan Hollins cause he wasnt an all star player and went into reporting straight after his career. Neither did Richard Jefferson, but he's an amazing broadcaster without even trying, without doing the stupid hot take to get clicks, just speakin from the heart. Hollins is trash, cmon. You can tell hes being disingenous to get a TV job. We dont like that Ryan, it aint that we dont like you, we dont like your disingenousness
Max!!! u cnt argue Harden drops off in da playoffs but put the greek freak before him..He hasn't done shii.. Max top 5 are gud players BUT... who really has proven anything other than Bron nd KD.. Steph is definitely in the top 5 as well.. I love AD but what has he done.. I wanna see what Kawhii can do this season...
Kawhi is a dinals mvp and mvp candidate
@Sleezo Porter "I wanna see what Kawhi can do"...Finals MVP, 2 x DPOY; & he carried the Spurs to the WCF in 2017 with an injured Parker, inconsistent Lamarcus Aldridge, and an OLD Ginobli. He would've won the Spurs 1 or 2 games in the WCF had Zaza not messed up his ankle. What more do you need to see?
Sleezo Porter Fawad B is speaking facts
Kawhi is top 3 young blood, maybe even top 2 after this season
So U got Bron, KD, then Kawhi cool? who 4 nd 5
He’s top 5 after that shot😭😭😭
shotSSSS.... he had 2 big ones, one to force OT and then one to win it in OT.
@Cortez Davis Some b!tch@ss warrior fan sounds hurt.
NBA top 5 players
1.LeBron
2.Kawhi
3.KD
4.Anthony Davis
5.the GREEK FREAK
The disrespect for Steve Nash is crazy!
James Harden is the #1 player
Look at these guys screaming about someone they can never be.
Like plz these people get paid to sit there and argue about who is the better basketball player ?? wtf. We got stats for that pshh
Gandalf the Grey and yet you’re watching this video till the end lmao
You're not making there money
Harden is top 5 offensive player but not top 5 player
Greek Freak
Kawhi + Kawhi Laugh
King James
KD 🐍
AD
Are all better players..
Westbrook
Curry
These two are debatable
If you think Westbrook is as good as Curry and Harden, idk what to say, Paul George is the best player on the thunder.
i see why Stephen A Smith hates Max kellerman...
Is this Jon Stewart's son?
James Harden isn’t top 5 though.
Mr Peeksy THANK YOU!
Mr Peeksy he is over rated
FACTS! 💯
@@Idk-ig4tx he not overrated he should have more than one mvp rn but because people like you are hating on him he can't win the mvp he deserves
Yeah, he's top 3
Everyone holding Harden accountable for game 6 and 7. Acting like Golden State isn’t a 4 headed monster. How he gonna beat them himself? I would like to see Max Kellerman try to make a single layup on the warriors. Smh Harden is top 5
@The Duke if james dumb then what do you call giannis or ad who sometimes cant get to the playoffs? Do they thrive under pressure? They aint winning how they thriving then? They cant even get out of the first round, hating on the man who going toe to toe with gsw 4 on 1 is what i call dumb. Yall acting like gsw dont have 2 mvps and james is putting pressure on those dudes lebron cant even touch those guys wcf with gsw and rockets looks more like the finals than lebron vs gsw at times
Jordan would have closed it out Kobe would have. If LeBron was in hardens shoes with a game 6, and 7 he would have closed it out.
The hell with it T mac would have too, Manu ginobli would have, Kyrie Irving, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. If Harden has better offence than all of these Guys then he should have closed it out.
Y’all bash James harden for loosing to the warriors in game 7 but don’t bash Lebron for getting swept ? Harden is a top 5 player .. stop hating on the man and give him credit ...
@@elijahtrosclair purely hypothetical jordan cant even make the playoffs without pip so youre saying he can take 4 allstar at once? Same with kobe, lebron got swept he cant even win a single game against them, manu a sixth man he not even starting what makes you think that? Tmac cant even win a playoff series hell he cant close that one either, kyrie can take the last shot sure but he cant take the last shot if bron is out to make it a close game, he cant even make the playoffs w/o bron. All the people you said was greats but lets not act like 4 the 4 superstar gsw had were scrubs theyre mvps defensive players and arguably the 2 best shooters the game has ever seen plus theyre playing in todays basketball.
@@elijahtrosclair thats why i said it was hypothetical because before we start talking about closing out, we need to first know if the game was even close, 4 to 1 is just too hard like you said with bron its just hard to fight a 4 headed that even the best player in the world didnt even stand a chance. My point with mj is that hes nit winning w/o pip what makes you think he can touch gsw? Even if he had 2 games to win 4 star players had a higher chance to win those games as it was a game to game basis, and stop using regular games to compare playoff series its different
Harden has gotten better over the last couple years.
Wat is U talking about??