This is the best explanation I've seen about these polyrhythms. One idea about tapping. The right and left hand have to be different. Maybe you can tap on a coaster on one hand and the wood for the other.
Thank you for your very helpful explanation. I took classical piano lessons as a child and as an adult I still love to play and get out new music to play. I am currently working on Schubert Moments Musicaux. The first movement have triplets played against eighth notes. This was very difficult for me, but with your explanation I feel much more confident that I will be able to play this! Thank you!!!
I’m learning Nocturne/posthumous by Frederic Chopin right now and I’m stucked on triplets against 8th notes. Thank you for the tips. I wrote them down so I could follow step by step.
Thank you for your videos! I’m an adult currently self teaching after 40yrs away from the piano. I’m currently working on Liszt Consolations No 3, which has 2/3 polyrhythm. It’s the sixteenth notes against the triplets that I’m struggling with (along with the sostenuto pedal!).
You are very welcome! I absolutely love that piece :-) the polyrhythms and it can be tricky for sure! I have one other video where I explain to against threes. I don’t go into 16th notes, but it could still be helpful for you. ruclips.net/video/n0plki8p1rU/видео.html And if you ever have any specific questions, feel free to connect with me in my free Facebook community. It’s very easy for me to answer questions directly with short snippets of videos and what not! m.facebook.com/groups/526106875169837/
i tried counting with metronome seperately then tried tapping it and my left hand just does not want to do triplets while my right does eighth notes. ur right it does feel almost impossible. im learning jasmin flower in the rcm book, grade 6. i hope with ur video advice i can get it. thanks!
Hi Ashlee! One of the last pieces I attempted before giving up the piano for many years was Debussy Golliwog's Cakewalk from the Children's Corner. I thought I was getting the rhythm right, but apparently not and my instructor at the time was rather harsh and not patient in the least. That was counterproductive to my learning for sure. Had I had your insight and instruction, I would have been much further along.
Ah - that is a tough one rhythmically for sure! Thanks for the kind words - I’m glad you are finding the insight and instruction helpful. We’ve all had those teachers. I try my best to do the opposite ;)
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio , I think empathy is the key ingredient in relating well with students, knowing that even the teacher struggled and to remember what that was like would impart grace and patience to the student. For me, that goes a long way.
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio Thank you for your reply! I'm not a Facebook user and really don't expect you to answer detailed questions on-line BUT if you like....... As you showed the triplet over 8th note pairs can be counted 1-la-and-li...2-etc I'm assuming for triplet over dotted 8th/16th note pairs are counted (counting next subdivision of the beat): 1-e-la-li-and-a....2-etc Thanks!
I play some drums and am keen on learning polyrhythmic stuff. This was a great lesson, thanks! I'm looking forward to keeping time with the left foot hi hat pedal doing the tri-p-lets while right hand plays 8th notes on the ride cymbal, kick drum on 1's and 3's and left hand back beating 2's and 4's on the the snare. Then do it all with permutations of every limb combination keeping the various counts and later set the kit up left handed and melt my brain learning it all backwards and so counterintuitively its a nightmare... A nightmare I hate doing but I love reaping the rewards. It'll take ages of ad nasuem frustration and oodles of patience and tenacity... Im also mid-late forties and the piano has called to me all my life so hopefully I'll get to tinker on one soon too
Hi, just trying to see some of the example pieces that have the polyrhythms in it - both of the videos linked are a slightly different combination of this one?
I’m learning a piano version of Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd and the guitar solo has lots of triplets against 8th notes. Tough, but fun. Your video has helped. Thx
I am learning to play Claudine by Tonci Huljie, that has some of these notes you talk about and I really couldn’t play them. I got help from a piano teacher on instagram and also watched the piece being played over and over and can now play them without counting and thinking. It was super hard at first and took a good week and more to even get to attempt playing . I am now on another hurdle in the same music. Can I send you a message anywhere for help in that part?
Absolutely! The best way would be to join my Facebook group and connect with me there. I’m happy to give you personalized advice! m.facebook.com/groups/526106875169837/
Yes! I’d be so happy to give you feedback. The best way for me to do that would be if you would join my Facebook group. It’s called casual the confident piano player. go ahead and join and I can answer any questions you have. Feel free to post video or photos with your question for specificity!
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio that’s brilliant, thank you. Also, I’m an adult beginner at piano, I started to learn piano last year May 2021, and learning to read sheet music since December 2021. I’m 48!!!🤩
Thank you for this; I'll definitely give it a workout. Something that's been particularly "fun" is alternating in and out of 3-against-2, with either straight eighth notes before and after, or straight triplets in both hands, before and after. There's a good example in the Henle edition of Bach's Inventions, where they've included some Bach-penned variations; the variation of Invention One converts about half of the sixteenth note groupings into triplet sixteenths. There is a brief passage with triplet sixteenths in the left hand, while the right alternates 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3. In counterpoint, of course. I had to learn to hear each voice in its own rhythm to get it right.
You are so welcome and Oooooh that is so cool - I’m going to check that out because I have that edition! Thanks for the tip! Also, are you in the free community yet? LMK if you want the link!
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio Found the link in another of your replies, and joined this evening. In that Henle edition, pages 4-5 for the Invention, measures 13 and 14. So much fun.
That’s a big question! Haha we actually have gone over that in the live classes in Casual to Confident Piano Player many times as it’s a favorite. I always teach it as 1 La li 2 La li 3 La li and that way the polyrhythms are easier. I have some videos on that. Lmk if you want the link.
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THANKS! I'm a Philip Glass fan, and trying to learn his Solo Piano works as a beginner. I'm looking forward to trying this counting method.
You’re welcome! You’ll have to let me know how it goes! And thanks for taking a minute to share what you’re working on - that’s awesome!
This is the best explanation I've seen about these polyrhythms.
One idea about tapping. The right and left hand have to be different. Maybe you can tap on a coaster on one hand and the wood for the other.
Thank you!! And that’s a great idea about tapping!
Thank you for your very helpful explanation. I took classical piano lessons as a child and as an adult I still love to play and get out new music to play. I am currently working on Schubert Moments Musicaux. The first movement have triplets played against eighth notes. This was very difficult for me, but with your explanation I feel much more confident that I will be able to play this! Thank you!!!
I’m very happy to hear that it was helpful! I’m also glad you’re back at it :) welcome to the community!
I’m learning Nocturne/posthumous by Frederic Chopin right now and I’m stucked on triplets against 8th notes. Thank you for the tips. I wrote them down so I could follow step by step.
Love it!
Thank you for your videos! I’m an adult currently self teaching after 40yrs away from the piano. I’m currently working on Liszt Consolations No 3, which has 2/3 polyrhythm. It’s the sixteenth notes against the triplets that I’m struggling with (along with the sostenuto pedal!).
You are very welcome! I absolutely love that piece :-) the polyrhythms and it can be tricky for sure! I have one other video where I explain to against threes. I don’t go into 16th notes, but it could still be helpful for you.
ruclips.net/video/n0plki8p1rU/видео.html
And if you ever have any specific questions, feel free to connect with me in my free Facebook community. It’s very easy for me to answer questions directly with short snippets of videos and what not!
m.facebook.com/groups/526106875169837/
Excellent video: friendly, concise direct and to the point. Many thanks!
Thanks for the kind words! You’re welcome!
I always counted them as “one-is-a” and on would be like “one-is-a-and-is-a” so a bit in between your method and the examples
Oh yeah - I'd be curious to know what happened if you tried 1 la li and stuck to it for a bit! :)
i tried counting with metronome seperately then tried tapping it and my left hand just does not want to do triplets while my right does eighth notes. ur right it does feel almost impossible. im learning jasmin flower in the rcm book, grade 6. i hope with ur video advice i can get it. thanks!
i think i have got it thanks to the “1 la and li” at 4:13 thank you so much!! i was getting so frustrated. glad i stumbled across ur video!!
Yayyyyyy! I’m so glad you updated it! I was going to tell you to keep trying - once you get it you can get it again and you’ll rock it!
Yay I’m so glad you did! Thanks for the update - I was going to say keep at it and you’ll get it but you did! 🎉
Hi Ashlee! One of the last pieces I attempted before giving up the piano for many years was Debussy Golliwog's Cakewalk from the Children's Corner. I thought I was getting the rhythm right, but apparently not and my instructor at the time was rather harsh and not patient in the least. That was counterproductive to my learning for sure. Had I had your insight and instruction, I would have been much further along.
Ah - that is a tough one rhythmically for sure! Thanks for the kind words - I’m glad you are finding the insight and instruction helpful. We’ve all had those teachers. I try my best to do the opposite ;)
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio , I think empathy is the key ingredient in relating well with students, knowing that even the teacher struggled and to remember what that was like would impart grace and patience to the student. For me, that goes a long way.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video!
You’re very welcome!
What if the pattern is right hand triplets and left hand is dotted eighth note and sixteenth note pairs? For example La Paloma? Thank you!
Oh can you post sheet music in the fb group?
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio Thank you for your reply! I'm not a Facebook user and really don't expect you to answer detailed questions on-line BUT if you like.......
As you showed the triplet over 8th note pairs can be counted 1-la-and-li...2-etc
I'm assuming for triplet over dotted 8th/16th note pairs are counted (counting next subdivision of the beat): 1-e-la-li-and-a....2-etc
Thanks!
Thank you!
I play some drums and am keen on learning polyrhythmic stuff. This was a great lesson, thanks! I'm looking forward to keeping time with the left foot hi hat pedal doing the tri-p-lets while right hand plays 8th notes on the ride cymbal, kick drum on 1's and 3's and left hand back beating 2's and 4's on the the snare. Then do it all with permutations of every limb combination keeping the various counts and later set the kit up left handed and melt my brain learning it all backwards and so counterintuitively its a nightmare... A nightmare I hate doing but I love reaping the rewards. It'll take ages of ad nasuem frustration and oodles of patience and tenacity... Im also mid-late forties and the piano has called to me all my life so hopefully I'll get to tinker on one soon too
Oh my gosh this is so awesome to read - thank you for sharing!!! Sounds like you’re doing some great stuff. Keep at it - you’ll get it! :)
Hi Ashlee ! Nice topic ! triplets along 8th notes is very common on Chopin's nocturnes. such as C# Minor opus posthum and E minor Op. 72 No. 1
Yes it is! Thanks!
Hi, just trying to see some of the example pieces that have the polyrhythms in it - both of the videos linked are a slightly different combination of this one?
They have similar info but especially in the livestream I go deeper into the topic of rhythm 👍🏻
one la an' li nothing loosey goosey about that! A rather splendid, and efficient way to count such situations! :) 👍
Hahah! Excellent :)
I’m learning a piano version of Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd and the guitar solo has lots of triplets against 8th notes. Tough, but fun. Your video has helped. Thx
So glad to hear it!
Sound advice, thank you.
You’re welcome!
I am learning to play Claudine by Tonci Huljie, that has some of these notes you talk about and I really couldn’t play them. I got help from a piano teacher on instagram and also watched the piece being played over and over and can now play them without counting and thinking. It was super hard at first and took a good week and more to even get to attempt playing . I am now on another hurdle in the same music. Can I send you a message anywhere for help in that part?
Absolutely! The best way would be to join my Facebook group and connect with me there. I’m happy to give you personalized advice!
m.facebook.com/groups/526106875169837/
Yes! I’d be so happy to give you feedback. The best way for me to do that would be if you would join my Facebook group. It’s called casual the confident piano player. go ahead and join and I can answer any questions you have. Feel free to post video or photos with your question for specificity!
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio that’s brilliant, thank you. Also, I’m an adult beginner at piano, I started to learn piano last year May 2021, and learning to read sheet music since December 2021. I’m 48!!!🤩
@@redribbonredribbon2430 love it!! You’re rocking it if you’re already at this point!
Another tricky concept you so clearly explain that I feel confident about being able to face when the time arises.
Thank you for the kind words! And you would rock them :)
Thank you for this; I'll definitely give it a workout. Something that's been particularly "fun" is alternating in and out of 3-against-2, with either straight eighth notes before and after, or straight triplets in both hands, before and after. There's a good example in the Henle edition of Bach's Inventions, where they've included some Bach-penned variations; the variation of Invention One converts about half of the sixteenth note groupings into triplet sixteenths. There is a brief passage with triplet sixteenths in the left hand, while the right alternates 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3. In counterpoint, of course. I had to learn to hear each voice in its own rhythm to get it right.
You are so welcome and Oooooh that is so cool - I’m going to check that out because I have that edition! Thanks for the tip! Also, are you in the free community yet? LMK if you want the link!
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio Found the link in another of your replies, and joined this evening. In that Henle edition, pages 4-5 for the Invention, measures 13 and 14. So much fun.
@@dianewilson7415 ok thanks so much for sharing! Excited to look. And yay! You’re already in 🎉
15 minutes and I've got this skill down at least tapping it with left and right hand. Thanks!
Heck yes! That’s so awesome. Keep it up - so glad it was helpful!
It’s not difficult to learn 2 against 3 polyrhythm thanks to your video.
Oh good!! I’m so glad to hear that!
@@AshleeYoungMusicStudio also 2/3 polyrhythm can be counted with the words “Not difficult “
@@RajaSir21 yes! Someone else mentioned this in a livestream once!!
@@RajaSir21. I learned it as “Nice cup of tea”. 😎
In a group of four 16th notes counted "1 e + a" against a triplet counted "1 la li" ....is the "a" lining up with the "li"?
No the a would be slightly after the li
Mad Rush (Glass)!
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La Paloma
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4:13 was my aha lol
Oh good!!! I’m so glad!!
DeBussey loves to put x-lets against 8th notes, see Claire De Lune and Arabesque.
How to count Debussy's Clair de lune ? Thank you.
That’s a big question! Haha we actually have gone over that in the live classes in Casual to Confident Piano Player many times as it’s a favorite. I always teach it as 1 La li 2 La li 3 La li and that way the polyrhythms are easier. I have some videos on that. Lmk if you want the link.