I start with a character concept, and then look for the best character I can make consistent with it. I don't nerf myself for the sake of it in a SP game, OTOH, I don't min/max either, unless it's an unfair build. But to me unfair and RP don't go together well.
@@shawngillogly6873 I do the same however, some of my builds are tend to be weak especially in the later arcs. For example, I am playing an orlan monk in pillars of eternity and rignt now I can say orlan race is not designed to be an unarmed monk. However, I am having a blast with it.
I'm somewhere in between, I come up with basic idea for a character then a basic build for them. I don't "plan" though, I just think about what I want them to be. I usually play on Core because I find it just about right, but I would simply tone it down if the build wasn't working, I don't care what difficulty I'm playing on, I just want a certain challenge and a certain character.
i normally go for a mix of function and rp so my first build was a illusionist evocation arcane trickster who was also a trickster mythic who was chaotic good then i went with all the spells associated with the azata's or the tricksters most fun iv ever had got my scorching rays 1 shoting people then my illusion magic could oneshot any boss who isen't immune to them it was histerical
That is basically how I made builds for Neverwinter Nights, back in the day. Which, given these are both alternate versions of D&D 3rd edition, doesn't surprise me.
It’s super frustrating that so many class features aren’t working. I got really excited by the Hellknight Signifier and a lot of those features are borked.
I love these kinda videos, getting a peek into peoples heads about how they learn a game is really cool. Saw there was a decent patch and decided I wanted to do an evil playthrough for the holidays since the decepticon virus is going nuts and I have time off and no where to go. And I wanted to do a normal or normal+ custom difficulty playthrough so this is very helpful as I try to preplan some stuff.
I use a spreadsheet to make some notes just to show what feats at each level and to add ToDos. Humans also get the extra skill point and access to the Fast Learner feat. So humans make great skill monkeys. I am about to finish a Lich Path - it is the best arcane caster path, but other paths are more fun.
I wonder if they bring the rouglike dungeon from the kingmaker back. That was an amazing and fun tool to learn about classes and builds without the hassle of actually playing half of the story before you realize that you have a turd on your hands.
@Mortismal Gaming could you, please, consider putting all of the build stuff into a separate playlist, I tend to consult your videos a lot, and that would make it a bit easyer to find. If it is not too much of a hassle of course.
I like multiple synergistic builds in the party. Rn core of party is Skald, monster tactician, and brownfur transmuter. Raging dragons with teamwork feats it's uh... it's pretty good
the most complicated part of building a character is when characters get bonus feats like rangers... so you dont want to pick those bonus feats for you regular feats and you want to "time" those picks right in case of prequisites. classic example here is dipping 2 into ranger which allows you to pick power attack even if you have no strength at all on your character...
Could you do a raptor riding javelin build? I've been trying to sort a fun hafling build for it. But it's really unclear of this could actually work. I'm trying a sneaky build that uses the dino to body block, then hop on and weapon swap for clean up charges. Can this be a thing? I couldn't find a way to just ride around on him and shoot. Maybe just give him the trips and stuns and back up? Free disengages? Run around a skirt the melee.
that footage from the end was absolutely mental... do you have recommendations for team compositions? or a formula for how to make effective well rounded teams for normal difficulty?
Mort, does this mean you plan doing more builds? I think you have only a couple builds on your channel (Kineticist, Ember & Nenio). Much of your videos after release are informational (ie: Maximizing Magic, Mythic Paths).
Can you do a video about how multi-classing works? I have a sorcerer/dragon disciple build and I'm not sure if there is a glitch or I just don't understand these systems. I am still getting sorcerer abilities even though I stopped leveling in the class. Is that how it's supposed to me? If I take one level in monk, would I continue to get monk class abilities as I go up?
Dragon disciple is a prestige class which typically carry forward parts of other classes as applicable. Draconic bloodline sorcerers carry forth their bloodline abilities + levels in their spellcasting into the dragon disciple prestige class because that's the intended synergy.
@@MortismalGaming Thanks for the response. The guide says we get the sorcerer spell progression but not other benefits the class would gain, so I was confused because I got both the breath weapon and dragon form spells from the sorcerer class as a Dragon Disciple as well as from the prestige class itself. It's awesome because I have so many dragon form spells at my disposal. It just seemed weird and a little redundant. So I wasn't sure if it was intended or specific to this prestige class.
I really wish content creators that suggests builds tell people at what difficulty level their builds are made for. It's probably the biggest factor for builds every builds work for lower difficulty. Does your builds work for unfair?
In this example build you presented here - character has both evocation and illusion spell focus feats. Why not only 1 of them and then duplicate all feats to another school of magic by mythic feat?
The thing i hate the most is that i make builds based on PnP knowledge and this does not work in this game. In pnp using all your spell slots on AC buffing is basically wasting them because nothing will ever require that much AC(the tarrasque has an attack bonus of +37. You see those numbers in midgame WotR), and the same is even more true on attack bonus. I started the game thinking "it can't ve worse than Knight of the Chalice 2" and it isn't but holy hell it's 10 times more annoying. The besg way to kake D&D difficult is smart enemies and enviromental challenges. If that is too demanding, at lesst they should increase things like HP and damage instead of the numbers affected by the D20, as those need to be whitin a certain range for the system to not break apart.
I actually had this discussion with, a friend just yesterday. I never played PnP but from what I learned CRPGs are combat focused most of the time, which encourages certain builds or you end up having something like Disco Elysium which is essentially and RP adventure game with no combat at all. I think a decent balance could be struck, but not on the scale (both game scale and studio scale) and budget such games are made, though it is open for debate.
Table top and pc pathfinder are different tho, you should have thought about it at beginning. There's no GM or flexibility in the video games so its hard to implement certain aspects from table top.
@@majimagoro7029 it is not that hard tho. No other D&D based game, not even Kingmaker, broke the math in such a ridicolous way. And many are as challenging as wrath.
@@noukan42 i mean your complain as mentioned above is "smart enemies and challenging environment". If you have issue with inflated stats, like AC or higher AB, why not playing on lower difficulties instead? And again, i think game difficulty feels fine, especially after 1.1 patch, story is good, a lot more content compared to kingmaker, i though people from tabletop/DnD players should appreciate this game more, because game on this scal1e with a lot of mechanics and story, its very rare this day. This game is on par with BG 2 imo but after experiencing so many bugs still remains probably wouldn't make it so.
I keep trying to builda caster (specifically a necromancer cruromancer) and just cant bring myself past the tutorial with how useless I feel in and out of fights and thus never make it to my animate dead. Any advice for that early game for magic users before they come a bit into their own?
Focus on support spells, like grease or pit, you can't deal a lot of damage yet but you can control the battlefield better than anyone else at that level
In all seriousness. Mortismal, do you find yourself using more custom character than the set NPCs? I like the characters, but find that due largely to them coming with at least 5 levels pre-built you tend to not get as much customization on them.
@@bigwig8657 different companions start with different respec treshholds. Woljif for example is lvl 4, act 1 crew starts at lvl 1. Act 3 at about lvl 6-7
@@bigwig8657 You can respec back to the level you can get them. So Ember, Daeran & Woljiff are level 3. Arushalae starts at Level 8. Regill level 6. IRC Greybor is level 10.
I don't know, I feel like 90% of the power for most martial builds in this game comes down to 'mythic vital strike', without which vital strike is pretty bad on anything except a warpriest. I sometimes wonder how the devs of this game approached it, where they're doing a ton of work putting all these options into the game, only to have their design philosophy render probably more than 80% of those options obsolete on anything but the lowest difficulties.
Im a longtime fan of c rpgs. Im also struck by a strange disease that means I can only play them solo...a party just doesnt interest me at all. Companion quests and stories, sure. But I wanna fight alone and be a badass taking on gods and dragons my own damn self. A lot of games obviously dont accommodate this playstyle. Pillars of eternity was the closest Id come before the pathfinder games, but this takes the cake. The level scaling means I can actually play it solo very viably, though I am locked into some class choices which kinda suck for the rp aspect. But making builds its still a very fun balancing act trying to cover as much ground in terms of AC, saves, offense and skill checks
So this isnt exactly related. (Though im super interested in figuring out how to make builds so I can use my own brain rather than other people's through build videos) But that whole prepared/spontanous caster made no sense to me until I remember last night that I read about how druid spellcasting works in dnd 5e which is basically the same. It was just a cool coincidince.
I prefer rp builds than optimized or min/max builds because it is more fun that way. It is also the reason I play on story/easy difficulty.
I start with a character concept, and then look for the best character I can make consistent with it. I don't nerf myself for the sake of it in a SP game, OTOH, I don't min/max either, unless it's an unfair build. But to me unfair and RP don't go together well.
@@shawngillogly6873 I do the same however, some of my builds are tend to be weak especially in the later arcs. For example, I am playing an orlan monk in pillars of eternity and rignt now I can say orlan race is not designed to be an unarmed monk. However, I am having a blast with it.
I'm somewhere in between, I come up with basic idea for a character then a basic build for them. I don't "plan" though, I just think about what I want them to be. I usually play on Core because I find it just about right, but I would simply tone it down if the build wasn't working, I don't care what difficulty I'm playing on, I just want a certain challenge and a certain character.
Yes! Yay I thought I was the only one. I also don't have time to lose a bunch. Im like 50 hours in and don't have any idea when it will end
i normally go for a mix of function and rp so my first build was a illusionist evocation arcane trickster who was also a trickster mythic who was chaotic good then i went with all the spells associated with the azata's or the tricksters most fun iv ever had got my scorching rays 1 shoting people then my illusion magic could oneshot any boss who isen't immune to them it was histerical
That is basically how I made builds for Neverwinter Nights, back in the day. Which, given these are both alternate versions of D&D 3rd edition, doesn't surprise me.
It’s super frustrating that so many class features aren’t working. I got really excited by the Hellknight Signifier and a lot of those features are borked.
Is this still the case?
@@JakeTalksGamesYT yes with out mods
I love these kinda videos, getting a peek into peoples heads about how they learn a game is really cool.
Saw there was a decent patch and decided I wanted to do an evil playthrough for the holidays since the decepticon virus is going nuts and I have time off and no where to go. And I wanted to do a normal or normal+ custom difficulty playthrough so this is very helpful as I try to preplan some stuff.
Really cool to get a glimpse on your thought process for the builds. Thanks for sharing.
Please have more "How Morti Makes Builds" for the CRPG's you know enough about.
I really enjoyed the BG one, which is very insightful.
You and werglia are my go to you tubers for this game. Please keep ‘em coming. This game has so many layers… btw, first.
I use a spreadsheet to make some notes just to show what feats at each level and to add ToDos. Humans also get the extra skill point and access to the Fast Learner feat. So humans make great skill monkeys. I am about to finish a Lich Path - it is the best arcane caster path, but other paths are more fun.
I wonder if they bring the rouglike dungeon from the kingmaker back. That was an amazing and fun tool to learn about classes and builds without the hassle of actually playing half of the story before you realize that you have a turd on your hands.
Owlcat said in the Season Pass release that a Beneath the Stolen Lands clone DLC will happen, but the end game story DLC will come first.
@@shawngillogly6873 very good to know, thanks!
I wasn’t aware of this but I’ll surely be looking into it post haste! Thanks for mentioning it 🙏
@@nerbomatic6054 There's a write up for it on steam, for all the (yet to be released)DLCs. Cheers.
@Mortismal Gaming could you, please, consider putting all of the build stuff into a separate playlist, I tend to consult your videos a lot, and that would make it a bit easyer to find. If it is not too much of a hassle of course.
I like multiple synergistic builds in the party. Rn core of party is Skald, monster tactician, and brownfur transmuter. Raging dragons with teamwork feats it's uh... it's pretty good
Thanks for your videos! By thw way, not seen any Hagbound Witch guides ;) …Id like to see your take on Hagbound mercenary.
the most complicated part of building a character is when characters get bonus feats like rangers... so you dont want to pick those bonus feats for you regular feats and you want to "time" those picks right in case of prequisites. classic example here is dipping 2 into ranger which allows you to pick power attack even if you have no strength at all on your character...
Wow, good to know! I just wing it... play the build and start over if I dont like it.
Wow that is a lot of work, thanks for everything you do Mortismal.
Could you do a raptor riding javelin build? I've been trying to sort a fun hafling build for it. But it's really unclear of this could actually work. I'm trying a sneaky build that uses the dino to body block, then hop on and weapon swap for clean up charges. Can this be a thing?
I couldn't find a way to just ride around on him and shoot. Maybe just give him the trips and stuns and back up? Free disengages? Run around a skirt the melee.
that footage from the end was absolutely mental... do you have recommendations for team compositions? or a formula for how to make effective well rounded teams for normal difficulty?
Mort, does this mean you plan doing more builds? I think you have only a couple builds on your channel (Kineticist, Ember & Nenio). Much of your videos after release are informational (ie: Maximizing Magic, Mythic Paths).
Ive done several, I probably need to make a separate playlist for them really
I’m just trying to find a gnome build but guess I’m gonna have to wing it because everybody uses only human aasimar or tiefling
Love your videos. Would love if you could make a video on how to get the 'secret ending' for Wrath of the Righteous.
its been quite some time, do you know if the bugs have been fixed?
Can you do a video about how multi-classing works? I have a sorcerer/dragon disciple build and I'm not sure if there is a glitch or I just don't understand these systems. I am still getting sorcerer abilities even though I stopped leveling in the class. Is that how it's supposed to me? If I take one level in monk, would I continue to get monk class abilities as I go up?
Dragon disciple is a prestige class which typically carry forward parts of other classes as applicable. Draconic bloodline sorcerers carry forth their bloodline abilities + levels in their spellcasting into the dragon disciple prestige class because that's the intended synergy.
@@MortismalGaming Thanks for the response. The guide says we get the sorcerer spell progression but not other benefits the class would gain, so I was confused because I got both the breath weapon and dragon form spells from the sorcerer class as a Dragon Disciple as well as from the prestige class itself. It's awesome because I have so many dragon form spells at my disposal. It just seemed weird and a little redundant. So I wasn't sure if it was intended or specific to this prestige class.
Does the eldritch surge work now?
I really wish content creators that suggests builds tell people at what difficulty level their builds are made for. It's probably the biggest factor for builds every builds work for lower difficulty. Does your builds work for unfair?
Does anyone know if they’ve fixed these bugs yet?
Im running a crossblood dragon celestial sorcerer right now thats pretty fun
In this example build you presented here - character has both evocation and illusion spell focus feats. Why not only 1 of them and then duplicate all feats to another school of magic by mythic feat?
I was still tooling around with it when I discovered the bug, I wouldnt take it as anything set in stone
The thing i hate the most is that i make builds based on PnP knowledge and this does not work in this game.
In pnp using all your spell slots on AC buffing is basically wasting them because nothing will ever require that much AC(the tarrasque has an attack bonus of +37. You see those numbers in midgame WotR), and the same is even more true on attack bonus.
I started the game thinking "it can't ve worse than Knight of the Chalice 2" and it isn't but holy hell it's 10 times more annoying.
The besg way to kake D&D difficult is smart enemies and enviromental challenges. If that is too demanding, at lesst they should increase things like HP and damage instead of the numbers affected by the D20, as those need to be whitin a certain range for the system to not break apart.
I actually had this discussion with, a friend just yesterday. I never played PnP but from what I learned CRPGs are combat focused most of the time, which encourages certain builds or you end up having something like Disco Elysium which is essentially and RP adventure game with no combat at all. I think a decent balance could be struck, but not on the scale (both game scale and studio scale) and budget such games are made, though it is open for debate.
Yeah you gotta learn the system from anew which is probably very annoying
Table top and pc pathfinder are different tho, you should have thought about it at beginning. There's no GM or flexibility in the video games so its hard to implement certain aspects from table top.
@@majimagoro7029 it is not that hard tho. No other D&D based game, not even Kingmaker, broke the math in such a ridicolous way. And many are as challenging as wrath.
@@noukan42 i mean your complain as mentioned above is "smart enemies and challenging environment". If you have issue with inflated stats, like AC or higher AB, why not playing on lower difficulties instead? And again, i think game difficulty feels fine, especially after 1.1 patch, story is good, a lot more content compared to kingmaker, i though people from tabletop/DnD players should appreciate this game more, because game on this scal1e with a lot of mechanics and story, its very rare this day. This game is on par with BG 2 imo but after experiencing so many bugs still remains probably wouldn't make it so.
I keep trying to builda caster (specifically a necromancer cruromancer) and just cant bring myself past the tutorial with how useless I feel in and out of fights and thus never make it to my animate dead. Any advice for that early game for magic users before they come a bit into their own?
Focus on support spells, like grease or pit, you can't deal a lot of damage yet but you can control the battlefield better than anyone else at that level
In all seriousness. Mortismal, do you find yourself using more custom character than the set NPCs? I like the characters, but find that due largely to them coming with at least 5 levels pre-built you tend to not get as much customization on them.
I wonder what autoleveling them actually looks like, since I have a feeling that all of them had a specific build in mind.
I've only ever specced Wenduag, can you not respec the other companions to their lvl 2 level up? Just the level 1 stuff was set.
I usually use the companions outside of hard/unfair
@@bigwig8657 different companions start with different respec treshholds. Woljif for example is lvl 4, act 1 crew starts at lvl 1. Act 3 at about lvl 6-7
@@bigwig8657 You can respec back to the level you can get them. So Ember, Daeran & Woljiff are level 3. Arushalae starts at Level 8. Regill level 6. IRC Greybor is level 10.
I don't know, I feel like 90% of the power for most martial builds in this game comes down to 'mythic vital strike', without which vital strike is pretty bad on anything except a warpriest. I sometimes wonder how the devs of this game approached it, where they're doing a ton of work putting all these options into the game, only to have their design philosophy render probably more than 80% of those options obsolete on anything but the lowest difficulties.
Im a longtime fan of c rpgs. Im also struck by a strange disease that means I can only play them solo...a party just doesnt interest me at all. Companion quests and stories, sure. But I wanna fight alone and be a badass taking on gods and dragons my own damn self. A lot of games obviously dont accommodate this playstyle. Pillars of eternity was the closest Id come before the pathfinder games, but this takes the cake. The level scaling means I can actually play it solo very viably, though I am locked into some class choices which kinda suck for the rp aspect. But making builds its still a very fun balancing act trying to cover as much ground in terms of AC, saves, offense and skill checks
Are your builds usually unfair difficulty viable?
I usually shoot for Core, but some of them are. Unfair is a lot about your entire party/items/mechanics more so than any one build though
So this isnt exactly related. (Though im super interested in figuring out how to make builds so I can use my own brain rather than other people's through build videos)
But that whole prepared/spontanous caster made no sense to me until I remember last night that I read about how druid spellcasting works in dnd 5e which is basically the same. It was just a cool coincidince.
Wait, you do not have fun with spreadsheets? Wait until Regill finds out.
God this game is so confusing.
how do i type comments: free.
Talking over my head.
i hope you report all the bugs you find
this is worth golf for owlcat
First! After the first first and the next first after the first first.