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Consciousness is a fundamental force of physics | Annaka Harris and Lex Fridman
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In the search for the truth one should always leave enough space for doubt.
When people speak of consciousness they always speak of the content of consciousness. A sense, an emotion, intuition, etc. that is all what you are conscious of. It is not consciousness itself. Consciousness is before the mind so it is out of reach for the mind.
Reach the same conclusion after listening to this conversation. It's like trying to understand how the projector works by discussing details of a movie that is being projected
@@frenessis If the movie is b&w then you can assume there's no RGB lamps in the projector.
Meditation allows Consciousness "mirrors"
@@azdjedi interesting thought. Could you please expand on it?
Damn dawg!
I think it's related to first person experience. The observer is the first trick of consciousness.
One could suggest that information is fundamental and that consciousness is an emergent property of information that is processed in 'strange' complex ways
Basically Nietzsche theory of forms.
Pretty much, don't see how it can be anything else really
So what’s strangeness?
@@Zzzooooppp ....that is indeed the subject of so much research.
There is two fundamental things in universe, infinite empty space and certain amount of materia in it. Everything else is ..build.. on materia i.e. constructed of materia according to the law(s) of nature(force).
These two people are very extremely smart. 🎶 👂 🎶 to them. Love Asha ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Being self-conscious is the universe experiencing itself experiencing itself.
Asha seems to follow Francise Lucille. Very interesting conversation. Paradigm shift is comming and it will change scientific mind like never before.
So is there a consciousness field and would matter interact with it? I guess you could build a model where complexity with specific properties interacts with the consciousness field more and becomes more conscious.
Matter and consciousness can’t interact unless they are fundamentally the same ‘thing’. Either all is matter and mind is an illusion, or all is mind 👁
I think when we’re saying that consciousness is fundamental, we’re talking about the nature behind everything- metaphysics. We’re saying that all matter and all physics is what mental processes look like. That doesn’t mean that there’s a field of consciousness which could interact with matter. It means that matter itself is a form of consciousness. Science is models. I don’t think you can model metaphysics
Faucet
We all have two lives the one we live and the one that we are capable of.
I had qualia and experienced another state of consciousness with additional sensors the other night after taking quarter of a jar of shrooms
Something to consider when talking about consciousness in this way is the different modes of consciousness one may possess. For example, you may categorize consciousness into 3 key modalities (I do not assume this is the only way to divide it, but it is a useful starting point):
Abstract
Conceptual
Experiential
The abstract modality of consciousness is what allows you to analyze and piece together ideas about what is going on around you. Having an idea what these words mean through the remembered connections in your brain, piecing them together with other strings of words to deduce their meaning etc.
The conceptual modality of consciousness is what allows you to interpret and particularize the world around you. Conceptualizing the distinct shape of these words, the type of sound they make in your head as you read them, the kind of feeling the ground makes on your feet, back, or bottom.
The experiential modality of consciousness is what allows you to contextualize and express the meaning of the world around you. Experiencing the essence of the sight of these words, the essence of their meaning in your mind, the essence of sound they make as you read them etc.
Now, consider if we were to take away the abstract modality. You would no longer be able to remember or piece together the world around you, but you would still have a distinct perspective of it and a way to express it meaningfully and qualitatively. This might be what it is like for an atom, with the main difference being that it can only conceptualize the force of electrons on it's shell and perhaps the quarks within itself, giving an essential meaning to this conceptualization. Perhaps it may be analogous to feeling around, as the shape of the atoms electron shell changes with it's interaction with other atoms, forming molecules. A feeling of repulsion, then attraction. A feeling of your silhouette, your borders.
Now take away the conceptual modality. All there is is the meaning itself, no distinct perspective to contain it; your entire existence is an ever changing sea of expression that permeates all around you. In fact, it is all you are. This may be what it is like to be an electron, which lacks any distinct position let alone a position that detects other positions (except when interacting with other particles). The essential feeling of the electron may simply be one of attraction and repulsion, made distinct only when interacting with other electromagnetic forces.
In this way, you can come to understand how consciousness could be fundamental by constituting the inner essence of every and anything in different modalities depending on the composition of that thing. And even though we may not fully understand this essence, it will be analogous to our own, since we are all essentially the same at the fundamental level.
Just another way of getting at some of the ideas expressed in the clip. Hope it helps :)
I've not thought of it this way. Thank you for taking the time to share this. Some good food for thought.
@@Echo-Magnus I'm glad you got something out of it, all the best fellow traveller!
Hmm it’s just hard to understand why “I” feel like something when really “I” am actually just an assortment of atoms bunched together. Not even the same assortment either, they change constantly.. so then where does the “I” come from?
It only gets more mind-bending from there..
I will read and reflect on your brilliant exploration/ analysis of consciousness.
It will take me a while to process all this.
Thank you very much for offering your insight.
Jeremy
@@jakeh2049 It definitely depends on what one means be 'I'. In your case, it seems you may be more attracted to considering the self as an emerging process rather than as a distinct entity. In either case, however, you can consider different facets of the process or events which are occuring from within the perspective which is viewing this. Paying attention to these details is the start of phenomenology. I was simply trying to give a useful division of phenomenology to understand how these facets may be less available for different kinds of selves (either processes or entities depending on your fancy). Hope that helps.
Consciousness can be a part of the universe without being fundamental. Yet it is a part of the universe regardless, and maybe one of the ultimate forms of the universe giving that consciousness itself is something completely unique and amazing as far as matter goes. Who knows what the upper limits of it are and what it will become? We will probably not know until we know. Still lots of work to be done on the mathematical side. Physics is still very much an open and interesting field of study.
Study ontological mathematics
I like that. Consciousness requires the flow of time, but the flow of time doesn't require a consciousness.
The most real fact abt the universe we can dedice is that qualia exists because i feel it OR the reader of this messege feels it.
Consciousness something most americans are searching for
-Artem 🐐 Lobov
how does a universe "know" it's implementing the laws of physics? It's almost like it has to be a priori "aware" of its own existence to exist. Some might say it's a mathematically prescribed a priori and therefore inevitable, but how does mathematics "know" what its axiomatic foundations are to be a priori "aware" of its own existence too? But then some one might add a priori all the axiomatic mathematical possibilities just are, but how or what is able "know" they "are" for them come to exist and so on and so on? It's like awareness/consciousness has to be an a priori element implicitly.
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I agree.
Consciousness is fundamental.
The problem is its just so damn hard to apply this knowledge to our daily lives. Perhaps Consciousness is a “ fundamental phenomenon”by design… and by design unknowable for a reason?
It appears this way to me.
Thx Lex
Study ontological mathematics
@@atyler111
Thx Aaron, I will look into this.
Consciousness is computational ,case closed.
What a beautiful scientific mind she has.
Furst
Fieeeerrsssttttttttttt
Consciousness as in nature, or the physical universe is a mechanism. What does it mean really ? The matrix movie was good, consciousness is like the matrix movie on steroids, in a good way. Take your pill.
Consciousness is like math or like language...it can be accessed only with a special combination of matter put together.
I was surprised by how off putting the way she describes her ideas was to me
You can’t prove consciousness using science.
Ontological mathematics answers this
Faust
Second lol
Third I mean
hello
I sometimes wonder if people who have had experiences of a kind of universal consciousness via Eastern philosophies are just sighing and waiting for “western” physics to catch up.
What are you talking about?
You’re 100% right. So are idealist philosophers who know that materialism is an incoherent and internally contradictory metaphysics
It is true. Universal consciousness is not conditioned by time periods. It is timeless. Everything else is invented on the grounds of that universal consciousness, the source of everything.
Consciousness is not a fundamental force of physics. Consciousness is produced by physical (electrochemical) activity of the brain).
Exactly. I don't really understand what Annaka Harris is trying to say. I don't even think she does.
The most ubiquitous ‘thing ‘ is : life,light,love, gravity? Gravity. Here these wits are profoundly and pathetically ignorant. Why babble these inanities. Max Stirner/ Landstreicher “ The Unique and Its Property “ with the “creative nothing “ is still - after 178 years- the better ‘answer.’
This woman is a terrible comunicator 😢 she is about to reveal why she thinks consciousness is fundamental then lead us into another rabbit hole “how to explain to someone what is to have a sense they’ve never had” and in the end she doesn’t reveals any both!!!!! Omg 😂
Thank you! It just amazes me that people like this are allowed to get away with such useless word salad. It's as if she has no idea what she's talking about.
Consciousness declaring that there are physics that it can understand and that consciousness is a fundamental part of the declaration ... fucking duh.
Interesting way to put it