When the Ladies were drinking wine in the residence, Donna said what needed to be said but no one had the guts to say it, "Abby you were a doctor when she gave your husband the drugs & then didn't tell anyone." The best of intentions don't always make the actions moral.
@dee_dee_place nothing immoral about that. Maybe something about ethics and professionalism, but that's her husband first and foremost, so the rules be damned with an asterisk.
Bartlet's problematic relationship with his middle child - who is JUST LIKE him, while simultaneously being her own person - was one of the flaws that made the character human and real. His moment of self-awareness and his efforts to grow and do better model the right answer.
Honestly Aaron Sorkin is a great writer but at developing relationships he is just crap. None of the relationships and love interests at the WW make sense. Attractions don't blossom and the one time they do, they just end up in Mandyville and are ignored for the rest of the time. It's like he just doesn't know what to do.
@@Lio032980 IA that the chemistry with Ainsley was off the charts, but sadly I could never get into them being romantically involved because I couldn't see them making it for the long haul. The things they disagreed on and divided them went way deep into who they fundamentally were. In the end they would never be able to find common ground when so many of their core principals clashed. A fling between the two though we were absolutely owned.
That bully scene is still viscerally upsetting and not at all a scenario as an audience that felt like "d'oh these guys are messin' wid da wrong crew" kinda vibe eben if that was the case ultimately. It was viscerally upsetting. At least a follow-up that those bullies won't ever see the free light of day or blue sky.
Not on the same level, but my late Dad would get so frustrated with me in our back and forth saying I'm sorry! ... Sorry! I'm 64, it was then a young woman's verbal tick, a thing of it's time. I got over it. He died in '94. I think he'd be very pleased with where we are now. 😆
@@Sherron-e3k Martin Sheen is alive and well and campaigning for Kamala Harris. John Spencer is the one we lost and I'll join you in asking for his intervention. 🙏
I still think "The Jackal" is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I watched the original RUclips video of the song, performed by Dana Bryant & Ronny Jordan, & I still don't get it.
20:20 How does Ron know that Zoey is barfing in another car? Besides - I don’t think that would stop her from answering a quick radio call…weird script moment for me.
You see that earpiece that he's wearing? The one that Secret Service agents wear to a point that it's become a cliche in how they're depicted? Yeah. That's how he knows.
@@blackcat4859 You can see blood on Bartlett's lips indicating internal bleeding (or he just bit his tongue, which he didn't seem too) just before Ron suddenly becomes anxious and starts checking him. Up until that point, there was nothing above the chest that showed he was bleeding (presumably adrenalin was keeping Bartlett going) EDIT: I never noticed it either until I started rewatching on Netflix years ago.
@@swainschepshis earbud has a running commentary in Ron's ear (keeping one ear on that and one on the president is a skill) and Zoey chatting with her daddy would be a huge interruption in the flow of critical data speeding back and forth on that air. Actually one of the more accurate portrayals of how secret service is supposed to function.
That would have been incredibly inappropriate. As much as women like to talk today as if they reside in a gutter, her character was much more an Audrey than a Kim.
Nahh they were right. She was mad that her mom left her dad, and was taking it out on her dad, not the person who broke up the marriage. And even more importantly both women couldn’t have the slightest amount of understanding for those men in a extraordinary situation.
@@arm2307 Women? The way both sexes speak, and to each other, is really beyond the pale. Civility is practically unknown today. Including in the halls of government.
And Ellie finally hit her Dad hard with... "You'll have to ask Liz & Zoey how to make you happy." It rocked him so badly that he had to take a few minutes to himself to digest what Ellie said. How he felt in that moment is exactly how Ellie has felt her whole life. Game, Set, Match, Dad!
He’s realizing he’s behaving like his own father treated him except without the physical abuse. Jed was expected to be perfect and in tune with everything his dad did and Jed is now expecting Ellie to be perfect and in tune with everything he wants.
Bartlet's problematic relationship with his middle child - who is JUST LIKE him, while simultaneously being her own person - was one of the flaws that made the character human and real. His moment of self-awareness and his efforts to grow and do better model the right answer.
3:20 very cringe scene - Hey Zoey - maybe time to work on your ‘get away from creepy assholes’ moves. You could - I don’t know - actually TRY to squeeze past them….It’s three guys standing around at a bar, you arent in manacles behind to an electrified fence. Push through them, and if they restrain you, loudly say “let me go NOW dipshit!” And every person at the bar will help you. And “Mr streetwise” Charlie seems exceptionally bad at reading the situation…offering to buy these guys a round and asking them to ‘be cool’ sounds ridiculous given their early reactions…
Or… Charlie was trying to avoid an actual incident of any kind for the sake of decorum. Screw what those frat boys/delinquents think of him, and/or what he does!
Maybe so - just feels like when the frat boys start the racist “Kool Moe Dee” crap he *has* to recognize immediately that no amount of ‘talking them down’ and ‘buying rounds’ and ‘let’s all be cool’ talk is going to de-escalate the situation (especially while Zoey is bound and determined to hold herself prisoner among them.)
Well, she is one small young woman surrounded by three guys who are bigger than her and intentionally blocking her. Unless you have been in the same position (and most young women have been at some point), it is not an easy position to “get out of”. Sometimes trying to de-escalate an uncomfortable or scary situation is often a better tactic than making a public scene. On the other hand sometimes “making a scene” is more effective. But that strategy takes courage and is not usually taught to young women or girls. Escalating a bad situation can make things worse very fast depending on the situation. It is a delicate situation to determine on the fly. It can turn an uncomfortable situation into an intimidating dangerous one in a heartbeat. As always for women, you have to assess each situation as it happens and make the best decision under the specific circumstances.
@@swainscheps y'all DO understand that was written/filmed nearly 30 years ago? 20 years before "Me Too"? AND she'd been raised in the public eye, very well trained to not make a fuss? "Tell me you were born this century without telling me you were born this century."
RIP John Spencer, an extraordinary actor.
These long videos are truly tremendous - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep them coming!
agreed!
After all those years, I get chills with the Beast-turning on the bridge scene after Ron Buttersfield calls out 'GW, BLUE BLUE BLUE!'.
I always thought he said MOVE MOVE MOVE but I guess since it's the hospital codeword it makes sense
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly Indeed.
Butterfield is so hot. I've always loved Michael O'Neill.
When the Ladies were drinking wine in the residence, Donna said what needed to be said but no one had the guts to say it, "Abby you were a doctor when she gave your husband the drugs & then didn't tell anyone." The best of intentions don't always make the actions moral.
Sticking to the rules doesn't mean morality has been satisfied.
"When you* gave your husband..."?
@dee_dee_place nothing immoral about that. Maybe something about ethics and professionalism, but that's her husband first and foremost, so the rules be damned with an asterisk.
Bartlet's problematic relationship with his middle child - who is JUST LIKE him, while simultaneously being her own person - was one of the flaws that made the character human and real. His moment of self-awareness and his efforts to grow and do better model the right answer.
And was my second favorite relationship he had on the show. Abby was the first. Everything about their dynamic was wonderful
The fact that Sam and Mallory weren't endgame is something that I will forever be bitter over....
Right? Or at the very least, Ainsley. I loved their chemistry ^_^
Honestly Aaron Sorkin is a great writer but at developing relationships he is just crap.
None of the relationships and love interests at the WW make sense. Attractions don't blossom and the one time they do, they just end up in Mandyville and are ignored for the rest of the time. It's like he just doesn't know what to do.
@@Lio032980 IA that the chemistry with Ainsley was off the charts, but sadly I could never get into them being romantically involved because I couldn't see them making it for the long haul.
The things they disagreed on and divided them went way deep into who they fundamentally were. In the end they would never be able to find common ground when so many of their core principals clashed.
A fling between the two though we were absolutely owned.
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly CJ and Danny made it in the end.
@@Lio032980 Three seasons after Sorkin left
October 2024 and still love this show and wish there was a reboot of this show!
"Your father is a demented, demented man". 😂
That bully scene is still viscerally upsetting and not at all a scenario as an audience that felt like "d'oh these guys are messin' wid da wrong crew" kinda vibe eben if that was the case ultimately. It was viscerally upsetting. At least a follow-up that those bullies won't ever see the free light of day or blue sky.
Leo’s funeral always hits hard.
We need a compilation of all the Dr. Keyworth sessions.
That would be good.
Not on the same level, but my late Dad would get so frustrated with me in our back and forth saying I'm sorry! ... Sorry!
I'm 64, it was then a young woman's verbal tick, a thing of it's time. I got over it. He died in '94. I think he'd be very pleased with where we are now. 😆
It is too bad that we couldn’t find anyone to run for president today who could resonate even West Wing put out?
Mayor Pete
I didn’t always agree with everything they did and advocated for, but god I wish that I was able to vote for that administration.
I think walken handled the situation well. He acted as a president, not a father and that’s what was needed
Ever notice how charlie says secretary?
I'm getting a t-shirt that says "Never Talk To Me During The Jackyll"
❤❤❤. God I wish he could've been our president in real life 😔, We miss you be blessed 🙌. Maybe ask the father to bless us down here 😢😊.
The man's brilliant, but even if Josiah "Jed" Bartlet were a real person, he couldn't be elected. The Republicans would kill him.
@@Sherron-e3k Martin Sheen is alive and well and campaigning for Kamala Harris. John Spencer is the one we lost and I'll join you in asking for his intervention. 🙏
I still think "The Jackal" is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
I watched the original RUclips video of the song, performed by Dana Bryant & Ronny Jordan, & I still don't get it.
Pretty sure that's the point
Are you talking to me during the Jackal? Never talk to me during the Jackal!
It's something Janney did on set to being up morale. The crew found it funny enough it ended up in the show.
Cringeworthy for sure. But it’s typical of what the highly educated find entertaining.
@@donnaone1nine Is that the opinion of an irrelevant, poorly-educated nobody? Sit down, sis. No one is looking for you.
Was the guy at the bar the same guy who gave the signal to try to kill Charlie?
20:20 How does Ron know that Zoey is barfing in another car?
Besides - I don’t think that would stop her from answering a quick radio call…weird script moment for me.
You see that earpiece that he's wearing? The one that Secret Service agents wear to a point that it's become a cliche in how they're depicted? Yeah. That's how he knows.
I never understood how he realised that he should check Bartlett if he was shot after not having a clue earlier
@@blackcat4859 You can see blood on Bartlett's lips indicating internal bleeding (or he just bit his tongue, which he didn't seem too) just before Ron suddenly becomes anxious and starts checking him. Up until that point, there was nothing above the chest that showed he was bleeding (presumably adrenalin was keeping Bartlett going)
EDIT: I never noticed it either until I started rewatching on Netflix years ago.
@@MorsecodeZ thanks, that must be it. They could have made that a little clearer. As we both initially missed it more people must have as well.
@@swainschepshis earbud has a running commentary in Ron's ear (keeping one ear on that and one on the president is a skill) and Zoey chatting with her daddy would be a huge interruption in the flow of critical data speeding back and forth on that air. Actually one of the more accurate portrayals of how secret service is supposed to function.
Mal: “Mr President all due respect I don’t give a fuck. He’s not your father. I’m not your daughter. But out.”
That would have been incredibly inappropriate. As much as women like to talk today as if they reside in a gutter, her character was much more an Audrey than a Kim.
@@arm2307 "Ladylike" women achieve nothing except the continuance of the patriarchy.
Nahh they were right. She was mad that her mom left her dad, and was taking it out on her dad, not the person who broke up the marriage. And even more importantly both women couldn’t have the slightest amount of understanding for those men in a extraordinary situation.
@@arm2307 Women? The way both sexes speak, and to each other, is really beyond the pale. Civility is practically unknown today. Including in the halls of government.
He's so mean when he's talking to Ellie. I know he's mad, but he's a little bit of a bully
And Ellie finally hit her Dad hard with... "You'll have to ask Liz & Zoey how to make you happy." It rocked him so badly that he had to take a few minutes to himself to digest what Ellie said. How he felt in that moment is exactly how Ellie has felt her whole life.
Game, Set, Match, Dad!
He’s realizing he’s behaving like his own father treated him except without the physical abuse. Jed was expected to be perfect and in tune with everything his dad did and Jed is now expecting Ellie to be perfect and in tune with everything he wants.
Bartlet's problematic relationship with his middle child - who is JUST LIKE him, while simultaneously being her own person - was one of the flaws that made the character human and real. His moment of self-awareness and his efforts to grow and do better model the right answer.
A little bit of a bully? I'd hate to see his full-on bully!!
the idea that someone who is in medical school has any time at all, never mind to help him campaign is absurd.
Mallory was weird, arrogant, and obnoxious. She didn't deserve Sam and didn't get him. I really disliked the scenes where this character was involved.
I would say Josh was the pompous jackass, but ok
1st viewer. :) 😎
2nd viewer 😂
3:20 very cringe scene - Hey Zoey - maybe time to work on your ‘get away from creepy assholes’ moves. You could - I don’t know - actually TRY to squeeze past them….It’s three guys standing around at a bar, you arent in manacles behind to an electrified fence. Push through them, and if they restrain you, loudly say “let me go NOW dipshit!” And every person at the bar will help you.
And “Mr streetwise” Charlie seems exceptionally bad at reading the situation…offering to buy these guys a round and asking them to ‘be cool’ sounds ridiculous given their early reactions…
Or… Charlie was trying to avoid an actual incident of any kind for the sake of decorum. Screw what those frat boys/delinquents think of him, and/or what he does!
Maybe so - just feels like when the frat boys start the racist “Kool Moe Dee” crap he *has* to recognize immediately that no amount of ‘talking them down’ and ‘buying rounds’ and ‘let’s all be cool’ talk is going to de-escalate the situation (especially while Zoey is bound and determined to hold herself prisoner among them.)
Well, she is one small young woman surrounded by three guys who are bigger than her and intentionally blocking her. Unless you have been in the same position (and most young women have been at some point), it is not an easy position to “get out of”. Sometimes trying to de-escalate an uncomfortable or scary situation is often a better tactic than making a public scene. On the other hand sometimes “making a scene” is more effective. But that strategy takes courage and is not usually taught to young women or girls. Escalating a bad situation can make things worse very fast depending on the situation. It is a delicate situation to determine on the fly. It can turn an uncomfortable situation into an intimidating dangerous one in a heartbeat. As always for women, you have to assess each situation as it happens and make the best decision under the specific circumstances.
@@swainscheps y'all DO understand that was written/filmed nearly 30 years ago? 20 years before "Me Too"? AND she'd been raised in the public eye, very well trained to not make a fuss? "Tell me you were born this century without telling me you were born this century."
29:00 - good lord, Donna. Mix a cheeseburger into your diet once in a while, sweetheart. 🫣Yikes.
People love to hear that they need to lose or gain some weight to make you happy.