I have to say that while I may not fully agree with all of your points and may not entirely share your viewpoint, I always appreciate input from another regular guy instead of how many creators spesk with authority everything. Besides that, though, you genuinely have a very pleasant voice to listen to. I could imagine you'd be a great narrator!
im glad that im not the only one who things cards with interesting art and history shouldn't be banned just cause of its possible or even probable connotation or relation to real life
I find it interesting how they decided that Drannith Magistrate is tier 3, but all tutors are tier 4. I guess they wanted to clearly state that stax is not the problem, just fast cards. No mention of Thoracle, U.Breach, Exquisite Blood etc and other infinite loop instant win 2 card combos, which made me think that some might end up banned
@LittleMushroomGuy I didn't see anyone mention Drannith Magistrate, was that from some follow-on announcement? All those 'I win!' cards are going in the top tier, why curate a banned list when it's easier to throw cards into a higher tier? Makes everyone happy they can play with their cards and run as broken a game as they can stand.
@@keywacat Yes on twitch they revealed a infographic demonstrating the 4 tiers. It should be their latest stream, on the 00:18:30 mark. Swords and Grave Titan are tier 1, Fabricate and Thalia are Tier 2, Magistrate is tier 3 and Armageddon and VampTutor are tier 4
Black has been able to kill enchantments for ages. See (Gate to Phyrexia) It’s artifacts that black has trouble with. I don’t see the problem with a black mage using the color that represents “power at any cost” being able to break a white mage’s enchantment.
@meatforge Gate to Phyrexia deals with artifacts though. And to be honest I must agree black should be able to do anything for a price, it does fit the colour identity.
@@meatforge No worries, any regular listener can confirm my memory fails me with cards all the time. Sometimes even when I'm looking right at the damn card. 😕
counterspells and one time interaction I think unless it's doing something else or maaaybe if it's zero cost should be tier 4 Same with any kinds of combat mechanic stuff. The real things I think people want on the tier list are cards that take over games, or enable otherwise reasonable cards to take over games. As an example 'Koma, Cosmos serpent', without instant speed interaction or exiling interaction is really difficult to stop overwhelming a table at lower power levels. If you play a deck that's just ramp and protection Koma will often just win you the game on it's own. especially if you put some form of anthemn in.
@funa2865 'counterspells and one time interaction I think unless it's doing something else or maaaybe if it's zero cost should be tier 4' By 'tier 4' to you mean lowest tier / 'precon level'?
@@funa2865 Definitely, though I still want to see almost the entire banned list dumped on the top tier, I want to see a Darwinian game state where the truly mad players can do everything they want to do. It'd be the nerd version of Jund in real life.
Can't wait to see what low tier card becomes high tier because a new combo is made but they don't update the system. Also white has always had counter spells just very very narrow examples
@indrafides2648 Did you hear what came out about Brawl? I think its a portent of how the EDH tiers will be managed: ruclips.net/video/Q50t8BvWrsU/видео.html
I really enjoyed the conclusion. A few days ago, I reinstalled Shandalar and was amazed at how fun old-school Magic is. It feels like casual kitchen table Magic, with hundreds of different decks, no banlists, and no meta. It's like playing vintage duels, but your opponent only has one Mox Sapphire in his deck because they only run blue cards-stuff like that. So lately, I've been spending some of my free time going through the various decklists in the game and tweaking them for my own enjoyment. If you manage to run the game, I recommend it, there are also mods that add cards and decks till 2016 I think? (I have a 2010 version) I don't plan on picking up any Duskmourn cards, and I completely skipped over Thunder Junction and Karlov Manor. I’m not interested in Marvel crossovers, or Jace and Liliana racing go-karts in space. Plus, I know I'll be moving to a new city in about a year, both for work reason and starting a family and getting married, so I’ll lose my current group. I got into Pauper mainly thanks to my fiancée. She being the wonder she likes joining in on my hobbies, but Commander games take too long for her. After one round, she's done haha. Pauper, on the other hand, moves quicker, and we end up laughing a lot more. That’s kind of how I see my future: I’ll keep playing the game, but I won’t necessarily keep up with the game.
@LittleMushroomGuy I'd forgotten about Duels of the Planeswalkers (Shandalar), last time I played that was in 1998 when I went to sea. I'm happy for you that your life is progressing and you've someone that supports your hobbies to share it with. 🙂
@@uniteallaction Ah, I get your point now. Well, I'll still buy cards I like, but will try my damnedest to cut it off at Bloomburrow. Though I did fail in my attempt to cut it off at Olivia's Wedding. 😕
@@keywacat nobody is saying its not a good or effective card. the issue is that the artist is an actual white supremacist and the fact that you're comfortable using the card with art by said white supremacist. the art is a very clear reflection of the artists extremely harmful real-world beliefs it was also catalogued as card number 1488 on Gatherer. the use of the number 1488 is a white supremacist dogwhistle and has been for decades why not just proxy the card with a different piece of art? hell you're already playing a card banned in EDH, you could probably change the name to something more tasteful as well and nobody would care. then you also wouldn't be signaling that you share the beliefs of the artist
I have to say that while I may not fully agree with all of your points and may not entirely share your viewpoint, I always appreciate input from another regular guy instead of how many creators spesk with authority everything. Besides that, though, you genuinely have a very pleasant voice to listen to. I could imagine you'd be a great narrator!
@laricus3647 Cheers for it, I do appreciate your kind words and support! 🙂
im glad that im not the only one who things cards with interesting art and history shouldn't be banned just cause of its possible or even probable connotation or relation to real life
@agrocreepers7710 And don't forget, if one likes Invoke Prejudice, for ANY reason, that's enough to paint one as racist...
@@keywacat oh yeah wouldn't want to forget that XD
1:33 haha that was a genuine laugh on my end too
I find it interesting how they decided that Drannith Magistrate is tier 3, but all tutors are tier 4. I guess they wanted to clearly state that stax is not the problem, just fast cards.
No mention of Thoracle, U.Breach, Exquisite Blood etc and other infinite loop instant win 2 card combos, which made me think that some might end up banned
@LittleMushroomGuy I didn't see anyone mention Drannith Magistrate, was that from some follow-on announcement?
All those 'I win!' cards are going in the top tier, why curate a banned list when it's easier to throw cards into a higher tier? Makes everyone happy they can play with their cards and run as broken a game as they can stand.
@@keywacat Yes on twitch they revealed a infographic demonstrating the 4 tiers. It should be their latest stream, on the 00:18:30 mark. Swords and Grave Titan are tier 1, Fabricate and Thalia are Tier 2, Magistrate is tier 3 and Armageddon and VampTutor are tier 4
@@LittleMushroomGuy Oh wow, I like we're getting more insight into how this'll shake out. 🙂
Black has been able to kill enchantments for ages. See (Gate to Phyrexia) It’s artifacts that black has trouble with. I don’t see the problem with a black mage using the color that represents “power at any cost” being able to break a white mage’s enchantment.
@meatforge Gate to Phyrexia deals with artifacts though.
And to be honest I must agree black should be able to do anything for a price, it does fit the colour identity.
@@keywacat Oh, right I got mixed up. My bad.
@@meatforge No worries, any regular listener can confirm my memory fails me with cards all the time. Sometimes even when I'm looking right at the damn card. 😕
counterspells and one time interaction I think unless it's doing something else or maaaybe if it's zero cost should be tier 4
Same with any kinds of combat mechanic stuff.
The real things I think people want on the tier list are cards that take over games, or enable otherwise reasonable cards to take over games. As an example 'Koma, Cosmos serpent', without instant speed interaction or exiling interaction is really difficult to stop overwhelming a table at lower power levels. If you play a deck that's just ramp and protection Koma will often just win you the game on it's own. especially if you put some form of anthemn in.
I think most cards are going to end up in tier 4
@funa2865 'counterspells and one time interaction I think unless it's doing something else or maaaybe if it's zero cost should be tier 4'
By 'tier 4' to you mean lowest tier / 'precon level'?
@@funa2865 Definitely, though I still want to see almost the entire banned list dumped on the top tier, I want to see a Darwinian game state where the truly mad players can do everything they want to do.
It'd be the nerd version of Jund in real life.
Can't wait to see what low tier card becomes high tier because a new combo is made but they don't update the system. Also white has always had counter spells just very very narrow examples
@indrafides2648 Did you hear what came out about Brawl? I think its a portent of how the EDH tiers will be managed: ruclips.net/video/Q50t8BvWrsU/видео.html
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I really enjoyed the conclusion. A few days ago, I reinstalled Shandalar and was amazed at how fun old-school Magic is. It feels like casual kitchen table Magic, with hundreds of different decks, no banlists, and no meta. It's like playing vintage duels, but your opponent only has one Mox Sapphire in his deck because they only run blue cards-stuff like that. So lately, I've been spending some of my free time going through the various decklists in the game and tweaking them for my own enjoyment. If you manage to run the game, I recommend it, there are also mods that add cards and decks till 2016 I think? (I have a 2010 version)
I don't plan on picking up any Duskmourn cards, and I completely skipped over Thunder Junction and Karlov Manor. I’m not interested in Marvel crossovers, or Jace and Liliana racing go-karts in space. Plus, I know I'll be moving to a new city in about a year, both for work reason and starting a family and getting married, so I’ll lose my current group. I got into Pauper mainly thanks to my fiancée. She being the wonder she likes joining in on my hobbies, but Commander games take too long for her. After one round, she's done haha. Pauper, on the other hand, moves quicker, and we end up laughing a lot more.
That’s kind of how I see my future: I’ll keep playing the game, but I won’t necessarily keep up with the game.
@LittleMushroomGuy I'd forgotten about Duels of the Planeswalkers (Shandalar), last time I played that was in 1998 when I went to sea.
I'm happy for you that your life is progressing and you've someone that supports your hobbies to share it with. 🙂
To be honest buddy I don't know why you're not just playing with proxies a good quality colour printer and a laminator that's what I do.
@uniteallaction I find the authentic cards more visually appealing for the most part.
@keywacat if you print them on photo paper you're not notice the difference trust me once they're in a sleeve nobody would even notice.
@@uniteallaction But why would I do that if I own authentic cards?
@@keywacat it's instead of buying new cards going forward
@@uniteallaction Ah, I get your point now.
Well, I'll still buy cards I like, but will try my damnedest to cut it off at Bloomburrow.
Though I did fail in my attempt to cut it off at Olivia's Wedding. 😕
Tell me your a racist without telling me your a racist
i like how he is proud about using a banned card, especially one like that
🤣
@steamh4mmer264 Why? Because I employ an official card WotC banned for bullshit reasons, not power or financial impact?
@@Calico365 Tell me how its fundamentally not a good card in a mono-blue deck.
@@keywacat nobody is saying its not a good or effective card. the issue is that the artist is an actual white supremacist and the fact that you're comfortable using the card with art by said white supremacist. the art is a very clear reflection of the artists extremely harmful real-world beliefs
it was also catalogued as card number 1488 on Gatherer. the use of the number 1488 is a white supremacist dogwhistle and has been for decades
why not just proxy the card with a different piece of art? hell you're already playing a card banned in EDH, you could probably change the name to something more tasteful as well and nobody would care. then you also wouldn't be signaling that you share the beliefs of the artist