The Power of Trust in Finnish Education
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2018
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I want to say thank you to Miika Tammekann, along with the faculty and students at Martti Ahtisaari School in Kuopio, Finland, for a wonderful visit! And thanks to David Popa for filming it! (Subscribe to his channel here: bit.ly/2OTytP3)
Tools and their use are an important part of Finnish culture. Our son got his first knife at the age of 5. My husband taught him how to use it. His own little billhook at the age of 6 and an ax at the age of 7.
We spend a lot of time at the cottage and he wants to do the same cottage tasks as his father. Every Finnish child cuts his finger at some point with a knife, but learns from a mistake. Thats life ... :)
yeah i mean learning how to correctly use tools as a kid is more important than just trying to shield from them, same with guns. guns dont kill people, people do.
*sahaa raivokkaasti*
"Manuel mitä sä teet"
"Öö semmosta taskuveistä" 😂
Suomi oon muute btw tos koulus
Se sahaa raivokkaasti ku sillä on niin pienet lihakset
Oh memories :) That one 1:10 is a classic in Finnish woodworking classrooms: A sauna scoop, for throwing water on stove.
Those sixth graders made beautiful sauna scoops! Cool to hear it’s been a tradition in Finland. I could have made a whole episode on that process based on my visit to Miika’s classroom :)
It's a classic for sure, made mine back in 1996 in a school in Kuopio :)
@@droogiesouls8635 haha. I made my sauna scoop about thirty years ago, and it has been in active use ever since. The physical quality of the concept was/is that good, the product of learning is still fully functional in my use of what I like to call "Hardcore Sauna Enthusianism".
This is fun to watch because I don't understand what is so special about this - as a Finn I can't see any other ways of doing this!
hahaha -- I understand where you're coming from! It's common sense, but this model of teaching is just so different from what many teachers and parents around the world are used to. Thanks for sharing, Henri.
As an American, all I can see is activity I would have been prevented from doing due to the associated danger and/or potential legal issues involving the school should something go wrong. In general, children are discouraged from attempting any dangerous or risky activity during school hours due to risk of injury; in other private schools, like the one I attended, they are told that the lower classes perform the dangerous tasks so they will never have to. As you can tell by my tone, I disagree with this philosophy, and feel I missed valuable education opportunities because of it.
In the States, activities like this are kept to an absolute minimum and strictly limited due to the risks involved. One reason for this is because too many parents in the U.S. have a nasty habit of being very litigious and will gladly drop a lawsuit against their school district over any and every perceived slight or danger to their child at school.
Also, in the U.S., skills-based and technical learning is now counterintuitively reserved exclusively for those students who excel academically (a high GPA being a prerequisite to even apply to such programs) while it is prohibited to those students who do not. These students who are left out are the very students such learning would greatly benefit, as they're the ones who need it the most _because_ they are not academically inclined, and they need those skills to excel in life after graduation.
I could go on, but the long and short of it is this: The American education system is extraordinarily frustating because everything-and I mean everything-about it is ass backwards and runs contrary not just to education and cognitive research, but also just plain old common sense (which isn't common at all).
In a nutshell: If given two choices-Option A, a program backed by solid research and proven effective with numerous successful trials, and Option B, a program that is purely theoretical and unsupported but has lots of corporate money bankrolling it (and lobbying for it)-American school boards and departments of education will unfailingly choose Option B, forcing admins and teachers to adopt it as their standard, and the blame the admins and teachers when the program fails to produce the results of Option A (which they ignored), even going so far as to punish those schools by reducing funding, blaming their poor test scores, etc.
I am finnish and had no idea this wasn't a 'normal' thing. Sometimes our teacher literally even just leaves us in the classroom for a bit of time.
Ei kannattais riehua tunnilla🤓😏 se auttaa asiaan tosi paljon😁
exol :D
@@inzaghi8935 yep
Thank you Tim for sharing this. It is also a learning process for us as parents. I learn to trust my kids especially the 8yo one to walk alone at 7:40am for nearly 2km, in the thick snow at -15°C, and darkness, on his own, so I myself can attend my own lectures at the university. Trust them to walk home, play outside, use public transport etc. Sometimes things happened, like he plays with his friends after school without informing me, phone calls not answered, but I learn to stay calm, make use of the technology to monitor a little bit remotely, and when my 11 yo kid had a cut on his finger while using the saw, I learn to tell me self, “it’s okay, lesson learnt, let’s be more careful next time.”
The teacher wrote in the online communication platform, ““Your kid got a tiny scratch to his finger during the lesson. We cleaned it and placed a bandage on it.””
Risk taking is essential to nurture and reinstall the culture of trust.
Greetings from Oulu.
So true! I’ve seen a lot of trust exercised by parents in Finland too. Thanks for sharing!
I'm a Finn and at 80's when i was in school we were allowed to use power tools like wood and metal turning machine, milling machine, welding machine etc. but I think it only after you are at 7th grade. To me it's a bit weird that in many other country's kids are not teached to use basic tools? I like Finnish style more :) Good video again.
I think it's brilliant to see this kind of resilience being built among young people. I would think this is a key reason for the building of a successful society in Finland. I try my best to build this kind of teaching into my practice in Ireland but for me my government is attempting to sanitize failure at school. It should be seen as a learning experience. I have a large sign in my classroom - FAIL = First Attempt in Learning
I am from India. I was just searching about best education system in world. I landed to your videos.. Finnish education pattern is what exactly Earth must inbuilt in themselves. It's really a dangerous task to assign wood handling instruments to students, but they do it casually.. I appreciate that you are spending your quality time in finnish education system... It would be great if you could make videos on how "finland" make teachers ??? I mean teachers training in detail.. I am a teacher here.. I would like to know about how different age groups are embarked with knowledge by teachers, I also want to see the curriculum of each class, if you can make available. I am keen interested to know about higher, graduation and post graduation teaching pattern. How finnish teach different subjects in school? How many subjects a student learn in school? Do students join coaching classes after school?... What is the medium of instruction ?? and lot more ... I hope you will let us know.. Thanking you..........
As much as this approach is about trusting the children to work safely and teach them how to use the proper tool for the job, it is also about teaching the kids about trusting the tools they are using. If you cannot trust your hammer/saw/planer/teacher, then you will have little trust to other people or tried & tested methods later on in life. This teaching mentality extends up until the military service (for men) where the last "tool" you're taught ot trust is your gun. This can sound violent, but the 7yo kids are already given sharp knives (mora) to whittle away on a piece of birch.
For the 2ndand 3rd degree studies, young adults are expected to not be taught this trust anymore, instead the school (uni, tech uni, upper secondary, vocational) is cashing out on that built trust. Classes become less about guiding the practical work, but teaching the theoretical of more advanced parts of the subject. Instead of the teacher trusting that the student doesn't cut themselves, they trust that the student can use tools and concentrate on explaining how things like all-wood joints, MIG welding, material strength, surface finishes, practical applications and so forth.
Also, in my opinion, if you are not taught how to hammer in a nail on the wall for a painting in school, you've not really learned anything useful. Parents raise the child, school prepares their skills for life.
THIS!!! 🙌
@@timwalker6836 Indeed🙂🙏, and speaking of preparing learners in developing skills for their life; I'm actually trying to build a new system which is a substitute to schools, colleges and universities of academia🎓; by opening as an Vocation⭐ instead (for all ages regardless of who they are or of their age👶🧒👦👧🧑👨👩🧓👴👵).
Its inspired by the Finnish Education System🇫🇮, Montessori🎲, Summerhill🌞 and Sudsbury🏕 where we blended their ways in creating something holstic and flexible: allowing individuals to choose their own program, curriculum, syllabus to courses that are laid out and can even create their own if preferred (which is aided by the community council if help is needed).
In assessment, instead of you having to do tests📄 or exams📑 where its marks🔢 will prove your worth, you get to do projects🏗 and real-life activities🤼♂️ where your abilities💫 will decide for itself.
For eg:
•Instead of you having an business test/exam, you get to work in a business👨💼👩💼👨💻👩💻.
•Instead of listening to history lectures in class all day, you get to visit museums, historical places and archaeological sites where it all happened 🏺🏛🏯🏰⛪🕌🕍⛩⚰🗿⚱.
•In biology and its other related studies, you get to explore the forests 🌳🌲🌴⚘🌵🍋🌽🍌, nature🏞🏜🏝 and wildlife 🐆🐅🐃🐐🐘🐿🦘🦚🦜🐟🐬🦈🐛🦀🦟🦂🐞🐝 🦠 with music🎵🎶 happening in the orchestras, shows, theatres to pantomines🕺💃.
Its a huge project that I'm working to make it happen someday and currently, I'm sharing my ideas in Discord where I would like to invite those who are intrested🤝.
(Also, here's the link:
disboard.org/server/717846393074614435
damn! finnish classrooms r so peaceful
I see teachers in Finland so comfortable, becuase that is how they feel. Thank you Tim for sharing your experiences and showing education in a different and exciting way, we that are from different countries can learn from. I live in Barranquilla, Colombia, South America. If you love teaching anywhere in the planet, teachers will share PASSION for their work, passion for learning, learning on how to have your students learn in a differente new world, and sharing the love and caring for your students. I had a beautiful experince in Nova Scotia, Canada and what was most valuable of my experience was the connection between my feelings for teaching and the feelings for my students and the canadian teacher's feelings for teaching and love and caring for their students.
I remember having woodwork and metalwork lessons at the age of 11 in England and enjoyed them too.
We do not have continual assessment in England so there is only a focus on progress for examinations at 16 and 18. Teaching to the test is also a focus with many weeks and months being spent on looking at past questions in preparation for the the SAT test at 11 as schools are judged on results and a league table for every school means a ‘name and shame’ policy to try to drive up results. Inspectors also visit schools and see lessons and admin. The Ofsted inspectors give a grade and the report is published. Many schools have not been visited for years so grades may be inaccurate. The intake of the school is an important factor to consider especially if families have a low income. Many poor schools have improved with new Headteachers although some have introduced draconian discipline.
We still have selective schools at 11 (Grammar and secondary modern) in counties near London. Most schools are comprehensives and do not select at 11. Some newer schools are academies and are ‘not for profit’ schools. They are not inspected. We have private schools and parents pay for the education of their children. They are not inspected by Ofsted and have their own inspectors. They also take different examinations at 18 so it is difficult to compare state and private schools.Top universities generally take pupils from private schools but the situation has improved slightly in recent years.
The curriculum and examination syllabi have a focus on memorisation expecting pupils to have an encyclopaedic memory. There is no focus on problem solving so PISA test results are average and not improving.
Finland decided to reform their system after the catastrophic event of the war. We now have a catastrophic event with Covid and there is talk about a longer school day to allow ‘catch up’. It could be the ideal time to reorganise the school system in England and copy Finland and Estonia. No early selection, comprehensives, mixed ability, continual assessment, no exam at 16, introduce vocational education at 15/16, introduce problem solving and creativity etc. Etc
Good point about trust: this is fundamental and is reflected even later in business life. You trust others (boss or subordinate) to do their part. Then you do not need so much supervising, people take initiative and act on their own. Quite effective and less costly …
Great point, Jouni!
I use this approach and it works IF, students follow safety procedures. The reality is I have to teach and document safety lessons and tests. You know why this is a must.
Tim, something I've noticed from the stories in your book as well as these videos is that Finnish teachers are, in general, quite laid back in their approach to education and have a great sense of humor.
I love it, and wish this were so in the States! For all our strictness and overwork (for teachers and students), what do we have to show for it? Nothing much to be proud of, that's for sure.
Trust is the basis of any human relation and probably one of the most important personal skill. If adults can't trust their students, how are students to trust their own skills? It gives them the responsability to do it and this is more important than control, since it encourages inner control, bot just blind rule following. Thank you Timothy for sharing this experience.
Iam from Bolivia and I here when 8 was in school we didnt even have tools in the clases XD we have to buy them and work in home.... Ususally our parents would make all the work we were suposed to do... Finland is just great I whis some day I could send my kids to study there...
Very impressive and thought-provoking. I would like to see more discussion of how trust is generated among Finnish school children and their teachers. This is the real strength of their educational approach, as it is foundational.
I agree! This was “Power of Trust in Finnish education” part I :)
in short it is not generated in school, but as a sosiety. As a kid is born, we try our best to give an equal stand to life no matter what the backround is. It all starts from prenatal care and carries over till the kiddo grows up via kindergarden and school. The kid is put into the center. Yes the system here too has flaws, like on all systems. but it still works more or less better than most of the systems around the globe.
I participated in Waldorf education from 5th - 9th grade and there was wood working and leather working throughout those years. I don't recall it being a leap transitioning from public school since hand tools were taught to me by my mother from as early as I can remember. The tradition was continued with my son. So important to building self confidence.
I love it! I have seen this kind of trust with very young children at City and Country School in NYC. I run a STEaM Lab in NJ at a public school and often find ways to introduce risk with tools. This is not always well received by my peers but is supported by administration. By 8th grade they are empowered to take risks and try new tools as each challenge presents itself!
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. You mentioned peers and administration. How about parents? How do
they generally receive this style of teaching/learning?
Timothy D. Walker I’m not sure they are even aware of the risks involved in the work students do. The woodwork for the younger students is shared via an online portfolio but older students don’t highlight this in their ePortfolios. I think this will be a new addition to the reflection and sharing for students in my classes. Thank you!
I let my own children use tools and knives at that age but they had been socialized for years to be responsible and careful (though we had to remind one to ask before he disassembled an appliance). However many students do not get that training outside of school. Note he said if he can't trust them they are not there - that was my rule in labs and ropes courses. If you are following the instructions and safety rules you are not allowed to participate. You can do worksheets in the office.
Thanks, I admire that tough-love mind-set too: ‘if I can’t trust you, you are not here.’
Thanks a lot for sharing this great experience of yours and of course the students of Finland with us, I've been teaching for ten years now and I would love to go to Finland and just see the schools there. Teaching there even for just a couple of days is one of my biggest dreams!
Buen trabajo! Sigue subiendo más videos sobre la educación en Finlandia 🇫🇮
Powerful video Tim. Thank you...saw this firsthand and was blown away by this. We can learn so much from this...
Thank you, Mike! Yeah, this is trust in Finnish education part I. It’s such an important ingredient here.
I went to school in England beginning in 1949. The boys did woodworking and the girls did knitting, but I so wish I had done woodworking. Now my husband has died I have to learn how to use his tools!
When I was teaching in CanadaGrades K to 7 the closest we came to Finland was building a compost box with my husband. But we did have a class garden. We were given a treadle sewing machine when we were learning about Pioneer Life and the students all got to use it before after school and when they finished their other work. They used it in pairs, but one of the girls did sew her finger! Luckily not too much damage done, but she was more careful after that.
I love what I see and wish our school were so well equipped. Our son took a short course but it was following a pattern and they had no choice and were graded on the result. He did not take a second course and never really enjoyed using tools as these students in Finland do.
Thank you for sharing, Natasha. By the way, I am sorry to hear that your husband passed away.
When I was a kid in the 80's there still used to be that restriction though in a form choose this or that ie. boys did the wood working and girls did sewing, you could choose but what boy or a girl would choose against what their peers & friends have chosen and society expects, well not many.
Later on system was changed so that it was no longer just either one also on higher grades you can also do metal working, some kids "fixed" their mopeds (illegal actually but hey because mopeds are choked by law to 40km/h) etc. my last work in primary school @ 16yo 9th grade was a metallic safe (0,25mm steel so not really a "safe") with an electronic lock, some guys did an electric guitar or other projects. We also had some electronic projects like buzzers that alert when water touched the prongs, a reaction game and the likes.
These days some schools even have 3d printers I've heard, my teacher also had a miniture CNC lathe but it was way too advanced (and expensive) for us kids to use so he mostly made parts that our projects needed with it by himself.
edit: typoes gallore uhh
this is an eye-opener! Loved when he says this is life
That's just AMAZING !
Great work again, Timothy! Thanks for bringing these videos out.
Thanks, Benjamin!
Talking to a recently retired Grade Seven teacher in Nanaimo BC Canada, I find the district now hires a teacher with a mobile workshop with tools a tent and lots of woodworking projects for the students to try. The classroom teacher books ahead and the students are given several sessions to complete one or two projects! So maybe things are improving here:)
Very cool!
I think trust is so important in classrooms and schools. Thank you for sharing with us.
Thank you for watching!
I cut myself with different tools many times as a child, never in woodworking or school though. I got ill once because the gas was left running in the gas torch room, and you couldn't tell. The most serious injury I ever had was in "acting class". However in most cases I think it's expected that everyone is smart enough to handle themselves.
In Costa Rica we have this same class (Artes Industriales) at High School, only.
Miika!!!
Dear Timothy, thank you very much for such cool videos. Wish Finland could export their education system. I am a MFL teacher at a secondary school in the UK and I recently read that subjects per se were not going to be taught anymore in Finland. It was moving to broader topics combining different skills. I am quite curious how this is done with regards to MFL. Would it be a bit like CLIL? Would languages change regarding the topic taught? I am really curious to know. Thanks!
I guess in US, if smt happens to child in school, its often instant lawsuit or smt. So in order to avoid losing huge amount of money and reputation, schools are very (sometimes over) protective of their pupils....maybe...
Fantastic!!! Loving your book and trying to work with some ideas back in Brazil in a sewing class for kids from 3 years old or more. But I have to say that we’re very different nations and some things are unacceptable for parents here - cut fingers are not taken as “it’s life”.
Great, thanks! Good point.
Thanks for your comment Mariana! Always nice to hear foreigner's point of view about our system. As a Finnish person I must clarify: Those children have been taught extremely well before they are allowed to use those tools. This "it's life" comment by the teacher was meant to be a joke. Of course, everything can happen and has happened, but that is very very rare... and with more dangerous machines, the teacher is always with the student.
I dont know statistics, but during my school time I dont remember a single case where someone's finger was cut :) And neither do my brother who has been quite long time as a teacher
Hi there Tim. I really enjoy these videos. It is indeed very inspirational. I would like to contact you and chat more about how they teach in Finland. Please let me know if you are open to this. Regards
I haven't read all the comments so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned previously, but would you be able to tell us how many students was that teacher responsible for in that particular lesson? At my school, the ratio is, on average, a teacher for 25 students. Do you think we could apply this kind of hands-on approach in such circumstances? Thanks and please keep sharing your Finnish education experience!
How do you even do any woodwork without sharp tools? It seems weird to me, I have never even thought someone would think this is dangerous :D how the kids will learn to use sharp tools if they can never use them?
Good point! :)
What do you think of this model of teaching? Anything you'd like to bring into your own classroom? I'm curious to hear your takeaways!
It is a wonderful way to empower students. I would love to be able to teach with this model and do to some extent but I am guessing there is a different mindset for the families in Finland. Many American parents would lack the trust needed and would fear for their children's safety. Simple, common sense approach. If you don't use the tools the way they are meant to be used, you will get hurt-natural consequence and feedback.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I’m with you. So much of this depends on mind-set.
this is weird for me (also a finn), do the parents not trust the kids or the teachers? How exactly is a kid ever to learn even to make a breakfast with no trust to cut the bread or use a knife to butter it? wood
shop is just a small step on that scale.
One old and approved way to "slack off un woodwork lessons", I am making a tooth-pick ..........
Gotcha, but toothpicks are useful, though! :)
What are their art classes like? What are literature classes like? What is high school and 'vocational school'?
we call literature classes "äidinkieli" or mothertongue. it goes from 1st grade all the way to 9th grade and teaches most things about the finnish language and some different ideologies. for art classes we have puu- metalli- and rätti käsityöt and of course just art. Puu käsityö is carpentry, metalli käsityö is metal working and rätti käsityö is sewing/other cloth working. vocational school is one of two usual choises for a finnish teen "collage/lukio and amis/vocational school" to continue in school
vocational school is esentially getting a masters in a certain work field like plumber or electrician
Love it!! I'm curious about how Finland approaches special education or students with special needs.
Suzanne Roma they have assistant teachers for them
Thanks, Suzanne! We will need to have an episode (or series of episodes) devoted to special edu in Finland. It's a very important subject. We'll get to it! Thanks for expressing your interest.
Awesome! Thanks Timothy and Happy Thanksgiving from us here in the US!
Great to see vocational education at 13+. What other subjects are taught and do they still do science, maths and english to the same level as the academic course?
kenrotheram definitely, they have to. Woodworks and domestic education (mainly cooking) are more for practical everyday living skills. Physical education promotes a healthy lifestyle. The main concern are the sciences, however
kenrotheram no, this is not vocational education yet. This is probably what you’d call the middle school. They are 16 when they can choose the vocational school, drop out or continue in high school. The school is mandatory until you’re 16.
@@torpmorp1324 Thanks for sharing your insight. Ken, this is still elementary (grade 1-6) schoolwork. Kids in Finland have handicrafts starting in first grade, usually with their class teacher. Then in 3rd/4th grade they often have regular blocks of time in the woodworking classroom (for about half-a-year annually) through 6th grade. 7th grade is considered the start of middle school in Finland.
@kenrotheram fyi
Timothy D. Walker I’m Finnish but it’s been a while. The things must’ve changed :)
I need a time machine
I'm wondering if there is any direct connection between Finnish educational methodology and A. E. Neill's radical approach to teaching his 'bairns' in Scottish schools, that began with his personal daily classroom log 102 years ago. (See his ^Dominie's Log^, orig. ed. 1916)
Interesting! I need to look into this.
@@timwalker6836 That should be A. S. Neill (founder of Summerhill).
John Field was it about letting all the children do whatever they want and thinking they’ll learn of their own mistakes? Well, no. It’s just normal that 13-year-olds can handle knives, saws etc. People today are just pampering too much. Many of our grandparents had to work in really dangerous conditions on their own when they were just 15 or so. These kids are supervised and will have an instant access to treatment if anything should happen. Sometimes accidents do happen. Woodworks is not a mandatory class
@@torpmorp1324 Young Neill's reaction to his Scottish schools' classroom requirements was to emphasize 'attitude!' as a starting point in children's education. Find what the child responded to positively, then steer their learning that way. Possible application to woodworking class and the trust element is intended only in a general sense.
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The beginning of the video reminds me of a Chinese emperor,named "zhu youxiao"
Oh the memories! Im only pissed bout the fact I had to go rättikässy at 7-9nth grade coz there was not enough girls wanting to go tekninentyö. Stupid reason.
What is Finland education administration system?
Can you tell me about school monitoring using a sample of students. Is it every year for maths, science etc for 10% of the school. Who chooses the pupils?Is the bar set low to monitor the less able and is there only a pass/ fail comment? What happens if most of the students fail?
Annually, it involves testing only 10% of each age cohort in Finland, across different subjects. This is very different from what you'd find in America, for example: Usually starting in third grade, 100% of kids at a state's public schools will be tested in reading/math on an annual basis.
Why does Finland employ this sampling approach? One reason is that it gives the Finnish National Agency for Education a sense of how well the entire system is implementing the National Core Curriculum. It's not designed to reward or penalize schools/educators. It reveals strengths and weaknesses in the school system.
Timothy D. Walker Thats interesting. Are the same children tracked from year to year or is the process a random selection?
Timothy D. Walker Which subjects are tested?
@@kenrotheram The same children are not tracked every year.
Timothy D. Walker Sorry to say I cannot get a grasp of the Finnish school monitoring system. It seems a friendly way to treat schools and is to be much admired. I keep reading about it and the topic seems to be reported differently in different publications. Are 10% of schools tested or 10% of every school roll? Is it only in a certain year group.? I am from England and there is a call by the Ofsted inspectors to re-evaluate the curriculum. The DFE should be doing this so the announcement is strange...
"Learning by doing". Experiential learning....This is supposed to be how a child learns early in life, preparing him/her for his/her role in the future. How I wish our education system is like that of Finland. Sad to say, education system here is too bureaucratic...schools compete both public and private. Students compete too...lucky for those who are rich. Who can avail of good education with tutors etc. or....How I wish teachers here in my country is also well supported...Well, these are just some of my wishes as I am one of them though.
Finland's ranking is dropping at a breakneck pace. Education had been independent in schools. Now Politicians and senior officials make themselves important and, in their own opinion now, “invent” good new methods and projects to make the system more efficient. The teaching is now mixed up. The ranking will drop drastically.
Even officials sites block all commets.
If it was here in US, OSHA would be the first one to run... :)
goos
U won't find woodworking class in indonesia school unless u sit in vocational school. Oh my gosh how poor of my country educational system. Very sad ya know.
That would be amazing to do everywhere, but in America, kids are wrapped in bubble wrap from birth. If the headmasters were to approve, for sure, the parents would be outraged... -_-
I think the Finn children are well behaved. Cutting their own finger is one thing. But what's more important is that they should not cut other kids fingers. Those tools can turn into weapons in many parts of the world.
That's what I was thinking lol
Traditionally, we do our fair share of stabbing and axe-murdering, but why would we do it in a school class? That's plain stupid.