Honda Rancher Shift Problems - How it works - How to fix ALL PROBLEMS!!!
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- I tell you how to fix pretty much every problem you can have with the Honda Rancher or Foreman ES shift system. Starting with the ECU Computer (which displays dashes on the screen when it won't shift). Very simple fix (see subzerosound.com). Video then shows the shift motor and reduction gears (angle sensor is on same assembly). Then the video shows the shift linkage under the front cover. Those 3 systems cause 99% of all shift problems.
Towards end of video I mistakenly said if the Shift Buttons activate the shift motor, then the Bypass System will fix it, but it will not. The Computer Bypass System will work if the Shift Buttons DO NOT activate the shift motor. Of course, if the shift motor is broke, you need a new one. Test it with jumper wires from battery, 12V plus to either wire, ground minus to other wire, quick touch only. Video shows how to get to shift motor connector for testing (note Foreman one is on right side).
Fantastic! This is the type of video that makes the foundation of youtube strong and robust.
My TRX 250 would not shift at all.. Just took the electric shifter motor off but left it plugged in..it worked so I put it back in and now it shifts fine. Thanks
Thank you for the video I'm not having trouble yet this is a preemptive step for me thanks again
This is great! Helped me to understand how everything works. I have an 02 Honda Rancher ES 4x4 that has always had this shifting issue(Rocking it usually fixed it). Just recently it locked up after putting on a new battery. The display shoes that it is in neutral and it will start but it does not move if I try to push it as it seems to be locked in gear and no response when I press the shift buttons. Angle Sensor has been replaced but this did not change anything. I am just getting the opportunity to start working on this again. Any suggestions?
Wow incredible work perfectly ty very much
my rancher doesn't make a sound at all when i try shifting. Starts fine in neutral and wont up or down shift. I'm guessing it is the gear switch. If anyone else has any ideas, I already tested the switches in the handle bar, replaced the motor assembly and sensor. 2001 350TE ES
I’ve got a problem with my 2012. In second gear it clicks. Any ideas?
Just ordered mine
Great video, was very helpful!
Mine will shift up but won't fully shift down. Its has a VERY dead battery so.....
I run the transmission very hard. Nothing sounds like it broke and it shifts fine manually. Please respond quickly!
Honda needs to do something about their e s and auto mode...one thing Polaris has them beat on IMO.....I do love a foot shift Honda
I'm still running a 420 with foot shift. can't beat it.
@@Aaron-mn8gw me too, a 2012 420 4x4 foot shift
@@richardnear4160 mines an 06 or 07. first year they had fuel injection.
@@Aaron-mn8gw had a 2002 4x4 foot shift also......sold it before I left for Germany, when I was in the Army
Have 2001 2006 2007 es. No problems ever. 2001 has 5600 miles. Buried a ton too
Hello, there is a problem on my 2008 Honda trx250tm ES fourtrax. the indicator on the display shows a different position compared to the position on the gearbox. for example on the screen it says that the gearbox is in first gear, but the gearbox is actually in neutral and the green light for neutral does not light up. when I press the small handle and the button down to put it in reverse, the green light for neutral comes on and the gearbox is in reverse gear. I note that I can't get the letter R on the screen at all. I changed the angle sensor but everything is the same. Does anyone have a solution?
Well done and thorough video. I enjoyed watching.
Hey RUclipsrs!!👋🏼 What size is the nut that holds the clutch plate on AND is it left hand thread or standard lefty loose righty tighty?
Hey RUclipsrs! For future reference. 27mm but a 1-1/16" will do the trick too!
Bubba Baryl : THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR TALLANTS HERE SIR . BEST BLESSINGS .
Hey Bubba. Thanks for the videos. You explain the problems and how to fix very well. I have a problem with an 07 Foreman 500 ES. When I bought it one of the problems was it would not shift. Trying to shift manually it was tight and would not move at all. After rebuilding the motor I could shift manually until the clutch cover bolts were tightened then it is just like it was when I got it. Can shift manually until the bolts are hand tightened then it starts to get harder and then stops. It's like something is in a bind. Have checked and rechecked several times. About to wear the cover out taking it off and back on. Have not mounted the motor on bike. Want to get it shifting manually first. Any ideas you have would be much appreciated.
You are the only person I have heard with this problem. It sounds like your reduction gears are jammed, or possibly the clutch release arm is catching on the front cover (maybe backwards?).
@@bubbabaryl3422 My TRX 350 has a problem with it stuck in gear, making it unable to get into neutral to start the engine. I have a manual shifter that won't shift the transmission either. I'm going to try to rock the ATV back and forth while trying to manually shift as you described. If that doesn't work to get into neutral, I don't know what I'll do. Any suggestions?
I’m having problem with mine down shifting it won’t shift past 3rd gear but I can shift it up but now lower then 3rd what would my problem be
ive got a 2000 honda fourtrax ES with almost 16000km on it,never a problem with the ES.
I think sometimes the master switch assembly on handlebars needs replaced from years of abuse
And most of the newer left handlebar switches are made in China or Taiwan not Japan anymore.
Awesome video! Very helpful
thanks for video, well explained
I have a Honda Rancher 2006 TRX350TE. You did not show connecting wires to the wires from the shift button box. I have eleven wires here : White / yellow stripe. White / blue stripe. Black / red stripe. According to your directions this last one for a 2006 should be a White / red stripe. I don’t have one that color. Should I use the Black / red stripe instead ? Just wanted to check before I cut wires !
Thank you wee very helpful. God bless
Will this work on a 2011 420 4x4?
Tank you so much for this video, extremely helpful
What IF the shift motor itself is sticking ? Then your bypass still won't shift, right ?
The shift motor must be functional (a new one costs about $50).
@@stephenharner5938 ok thanks, do you know if when I pull the shift motor off will the three onboard small gears stay put on the shift motor or with the small gears fall out on ground? I ask as if the gears fall out, I can't see enough to reinstall gears back onto mount.
I have a 2000 honda foreman 450es four wheel drive nutrial reverse light on can't get reverse light on off.i have tried everything
Found a 2015 500 es looks damn good guy says it wont shift & to lame to even look into fixing wants 2200 ... This kit could possibly fix it or if it is the motor i should still have this kit yeah ?
This is exactly what I needed. I have suspected it was the shift plate. I saw that because it would not even shift with the shift tool. I haven't been able to get inside. Question, is there any position the gears need to be in once reassembled? How would you achieve that? Thanks for your help!
Any gear position is fine.
so how did it go? can you tell us about your ordeal? If all I have to do is remove the nut on the clutch, life will be grand.
Thanks!
Great detailed instructions. Thanks.
Hey Bubba, loved the video and I am in the same predicament. Just a quick question, what size socket did you use to remove the clutch nut?
The foremans dont have issues like the older 420s did ... dont know why but my 500 still to this day has been under water and mud numerous of times and still works , but this seems more complicated than just to fix it. I mean at least you dont have to worry about it but you still eventually will lose a relay and it wont work
Many people have driven through deep water, and regretted it later. Do not be fooled by the youtube videos of ATVs in deep water, because almost all of them have problems after they did that. Ask Honda and they will tell you not to drive through water deeper than 1 foot.
The Foreman 500 has as many problems as the Rancher 420, which in both cases is very few.
Replacing the computer is very expensive, and it is difficult to remove the old computer and then install the new computer without bending/breaking some of the 50 or so pins. I have one Honda that I could not remove the old computer (without breaking it) because the connectors had glued themselves together with age.
Replacing a relay is very cheap and easy.
Is it those gears, if all the gears work manually and has had all new sensors and motor?
Hey Mr Bubba. I have a honda rancher as well. It will shift in all gears, but it want move. What could be the problem?.
Our issue with our 08 420 was shift shaft was worn out thus throwing eveything out of wack to the angle sensor. Replaced all that before the shift shift and always same issue. Had shift shaft replaced and it shifts now although its not perfexr
Adjust the clutch first before digging too far, that was all mine was.
A shift computer failure usually results in the gear number flashing "--". A clutch failure will shift gears with the gear number changing in the Display, but then the engine will rev as the clutch slips. Very different symptoms, but it may not be a bad idea to adjust the clutch anyway, though I have not adjusted my clutches on my 2000 Rancher and 2000 Foreman and they run great.
Do the newer ranchers like 2021 have these same problems or is it more resolved
Hey Bubba, how do you check the shift motor if its off the quad? A positive to one wire and a ground to the other?...
I got one of those harnesses but as soon as I hit the shift button up or down it blows the inline fuse. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
I provide technical support when you buy a bypass kit from me.
The amazon and ebay sellers do not provide any support.
mine shifts but stalls when it goes into gear?
Thank you!
Will this work on 03-05 Honda Rincon 650? It keeps throwing TPS code but done changed and set it
The Bypass Shift Kit will work on all ES models, and will fix the Shift Buttons on Hondamatic models (but not the AUTO Mode). Go to subzerosound dot com.
If the speedometer/cluster/gauge screen is dead or unplugged will it effect the shifting? 2006 TRX400FA
That will cause the computer to stop shifting.
The Bypass Kit can fix the shift buttons on an Automatic (with technical support).
@@bubbabaryl3422 Thanks, I have the shift motor jumped at the moment but there is mechanical issues also, so I've got to pull the engine and go through that. Bought the thing to fix up and sell but have quickly realized all the parts I need are no longer available.
Hello! I'm from Ukraine. I'm watching your channel. Nothing is clear in English. Nobody understands this technique here. We have a Honda foreman (trx500fpe), on tiptronic. When I turn on the 4th gear it starts crunching very strongly and does not go. Please tell me what the problem is and how to fix it, because in Ukraine no one understands this
Do you make a foot shifter for a 2001 Forman so I do not have to use es at all ?
Mine shifts it just revs up instead of moving it does it in all gears including reverse it's been sitting for a while but I think it might be the clutch because it happened when I rolled it down a hill engine still runs strong to this day lol just wont engage the gear
I have your the Bypass System from subzerosound. But the New shift motor gets stuck At that pont will not shift or Mannal Un till you take the shift motor off and than it wll shift Mannal
You can get technical support from subzerosound. The shift motor is not part of the Bypass Kit. You must have a good shift motor for the kit to work. You should watch the video because it tells you why the shift motor would have problems functioning properly, or you can email subzerosound for help.
I have a 04 350 rancher that will not downshift until it has either warmed up for 20 minutes or so.Also the speedometer does not work until warmed up. Anyone else had this problem or know of a cure thanks
Probably a corroded connector to the speed sensor, or maybe another connector.
@@bubbabaryl3422 Where is the speed sensor located?
I d like you to fix mine. It shifts fine but it suddenly acts like its out of gas and wont run more then 3
seconds. Sat out side uncovered in 4 continous days of hard rain & 80 mph wind . Pumping gas a full throttle keeps it from die n for couple more seconds.
Will not start again for 10 minutes. No missfires , just dies.
Gas lines maybe?
Spark plug
Choke
Will this work on a 2011 honda rancher 420 4x4?
Dose this work on the new Honda’s? 2016 Rubicon?
My 2012 skips from 2nd straight to 5th at high rpm dangerous on hills. Broken reduction gear maybe?
Mines doing the same thing. Did you figure out the problem?
You probably have an automatic transmission. The ES models have a shift drum in the transmission that will only turn enough to shift one gear at a time.
Mine is a fa.it will shift up but not down till you turn it off.then it will go back down
My Honda a won't shift out of 5 gear not even manual or push button
You've got a broken gear
Hey is this system can work on racher 420, 2011?
Could you provide a link to where you purchased this?
subzerosound dot com (use a period after subzerosound and then add com)
Note that youtube filters out actual website links in the comments.
@@bubbabaryl3422 Thank you! Merry Christmas!!
What year you got?
will this work on rancher 400 it doesnt have the manual lever
Yes and no. It will work with the shift buttons only in ESP mode, but not in Auto mode.
What about PS problems, anybody dealt with this issue?
My 04 rancher 400 when I drive and stop it big down like it's in a high gear then you can hear the shift motor work then it will be in the right gear
Is the 2004 Rancher 400 an Automatic? Totally different shift system.
This video is about ES models with Up/Down shift buttons but No Auto Mode.
If you don't mind paying a small fee, I can help you fix it, but it may take some time. Go to subzerosound.com/HondaECUBypass.html and scroll down to technical support.
i put a bypass harness on this one.. got the shift motor to work. BUT.. the dam shift shaft does not return back to a neutral position. so when you go to shift to the next gear. it wont. unless you tap down first ever so slightly. THEN it will go to the next gear.. you have to do this with every gear. up or down. it's like the dam shift return spring is not strong enough to return the shaft back to a neutral position.. i put a NEW shift return spring in it. nothin..i even added a EXTRA shift return spring on the outside shift shaft.. still same problem... im at my wits fkn end with this thing. i got the harness off amazon. it has 2 relays on it.
I'm having the same issue with a 350es in my workshop.
Did you end up working it out?
You get no support when you buy on amazon. You should buy from the inventor at subzerosound (dot com). He has lots of tips and tricks that will get it shifting like butter.
I have a 05 Honda rancher 350 es 4x4 we already checked the shifter plate and it’s ok but it’s still stuck on 2nd. Do you know what the problem is? Thank you for the help.
Check the star wheel under the shift plate. If that is good, you will have to rebuild the transmission.
By a bypass harness
Where do I get the bypass system from?
The ECU Bypass System is available on the web at subzerosound (dot com). It will fix the most common computer related problems. There are other mechanical problems that can cause shift failure, but subzerosound will provide technical support that includes work-arounds for those.
I see keyboard riders on the interwebs all saying honda is the most reliable then I see all the comments here.
They are engine wise. You wouldn’t have this problem with a foot shift😂
Will this fix a trx450
what is the TIMER for..?
Honda designed the system so that the computer (ECU) only applies voltage for a quarter second or so. When you bypass the computer, the voltage stays on as long as you press the button. The Timer on the Bypass System (from subzerosound) will only apply voltage for a quarter second (just like the original design).
I was a Honda motorcycle mechanic for 30 years I worked on thousands of 350,450,500 TRX electric shift & 400,500 hydrostatic models ... Honda did replace the computers on TRX400AT models because Honda thought they were bad but it was the actually the centrifugal clutch was the problem .. But we really never replaced any computers on TRX350 Ranchers or 450 , 500 Foremans .. Biggest problem was owners working on them themselves ..
This video was useless showing the clutch cover off , it should have shown the kit being installed and then shifting up and down ..
This video is more about the internal shift mechanism parts but nothing about the installation of wiring the bypass or how it performs after it's installed
are you still selling these?
Wondering myself
Hey bubba why does my oil look like chocolate milk.its never been in water
2013 rancher.
2004 forman 450 es pops in and out of gear never stays in gear new motor please help Thanks
Watch the video and remove the front cover. Use manual shift tool to watch every component move as in the video. You can get technical support from subzerosound (dot com).
That works unless it's mechanical
My 2010 Honda 420 Rancher some times signals code 24. After manual shifting it in gear and shutting down it was OK on the next ride. Last use showed code 24, I did as before but found the manual shit frozen. Will not move up or down. Dash shows it's in 1st gear and code 24 but the Honda roles free as in neutral. You'r advice would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, the video is too long. I don't talk fast enough. You probably did not watch the whole video because it shows how to diagnose manual shift tool problems toward the end. Watch the part that shows the shift plate linkage moving up and down as I push and pull on the manual shift tool.
I went to sub 0 and ordered one of those it does not work does not work it was real shotty electrical or cool connections fell apart had to rewire When all was said and done it did not work 150 bucks out the door
You did not buy from subzerosound because their kits are $60-100.
They have free wiring installation support, and they will replace or refund on request.
i dont buy anything with ai
Where do u buy that bypass system , I only find it for 450 and 350 , I have a 2007 trx400fa that only goes 25 after that it reves up and doesn't shift I've replaced carb, angle sensor, shift motor, battery, almost everything and still have the same problem
subzerosound dot com has bypass kits for most Honda models, including the Pioneer.
You have an old Hondamatic which the kit will work in ESP mode only, but not AUTO mode (it will not work with the new DCT automatics). However, you may have a mechanical problem. Contact bubbabaryl at gmail with more details.
Would this work on a 2015 Honda Rancher DCT?
Will this work for a Honda 250 recon?