Nah, I'm alright. We need to stop this whole 'He's mates with the managers vicars uncle goldfish so let's sign him' that reached an insane level under Ten Hag.
I’d love him, guy’s an absolute goals monster, but Amorim already said he isn’t taking anyone from sporting in Jan and even named Gyokeres as someone he can’t and won’t take. Any rumours otherwise therefore are nonsense.
Listen this guy is a real goal machine, Amorim may not go for him in jan but I can bk the club will want him in the summer because at the end of the day, it’ll be a club decision not a manager decision unfortunately. But I think he will like the idea of having his main man here at old Trafford.
The key difference between Amorim and all the managers we've had before is that he’s taking charge of a squad that’s been underperforming, and yet has incredible young talent either already here or just about to break through. With a couple of smart additions, I genuinely believe this team could be coached to compete for the highest honours, no matter how ambitious that sounds. Moyes inherited an ageing squad. LVG took the same group, brought in some random players, and made little impact. Mourinho did what Mourinho does, but it didn’t lead to lasting success. Ole had some ideas, but everything fell apart when Ronaldo came back. And looking back, it’s still baffling how anyone at the club thought spending £130m on AWB and Maguire was a good move. Amorim now has a core group of players to build on..Mainoo, Ugarte, Yoro, Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Mount, Collyer, Dalot, and Malacia, plus maybe a few more. With the right additions, this team could really come together and do something special.
Don't understand what anyone sees in Hoijlund? The last two games he barely touched the ball. He doesn't go find the game. If you look at his runs, all he does is make runs to the near post. Easy to defend. He doesn't try to lose or hide from defenders. He's too obvious, head down straight at goal, doesn't do anything special, and can't beat a defender 1v1 (he's not very fast). Zirkzee isn't scoring goals yet, but he finds the game and gets the team moving forward where we at least have a chance at scoring.
If Amorim made Gyokeres this great striker, in a system that creates loads of chances for strikers and is really great and he's a fantastic coach. Then United wouldn't need to buy Gyokeres because Amorim will just get Hoijlund and Rashford scoring loads of goals as a 9.
He is a INEOS signing and wil fit like a glow behind Høylund in Amorims system. Ten Hag didnt want him and playd him all wrong. Ten Hag dont want strikers to do anything but keep the defebders busy for the wingers and mid fielders to score.
@@elinjens1 I was seeing that too. There is a reason Hojlund was open in the box waiting for a cross over and over but the wingers would try and cut in and shoot instead of passing. Even Amad was doing it and Amad is much more of a creator than our other wingers and has the vision to see the 9 wide open in the box. They were told to play that way IMO. Zirkzee could open the game up for Rasmus played as one of the two 10's.
Exactly. Hoijlund is just as talented if not better than Gyokeres. The difference is the team chemistry, combinations, patterns of play etc every player knowing there role in the team. If Gyokeres came to United right now there is no chance he is bagging every week.
Zirkzee and Gyokeres are two different types of player. ("Crap" and "Good", I hear you say). One is a 10, one is a 9. You can't compere them. Although Zirkzee does conduct himself with the demeanor of someone who has just woken up. I also think he's probably carrying a few excess pounds.
If Zirkzee is leaving, it's because the player wants to leave. Amorim coming in and not wanting Ruud to stick around because he wanted all players to have a clean slate doesn't rhyme with him having decided to axe Zirkzee before having seen him in practice even.
Hes also never even met Zirkzee because he’s on international duty. Even if he‘s unsure whether Zirkzee can fit the playing style, no coach would ever make their mind up without ever speaking to the kid or seeing him in practice.
@@ulrichschmidt2835 To say that "no coach would ever make their mind up before ever speaking to the player" is a bit of a stretch though. Some coaches might very well have a lot of preconcieved notions. But in this case it seems it was a particular point made that there should be absolutely none of that.
@ understood and agreed - as i said, amorim might well think that what hes seen so far from zirkzee is not good enough/ not right for his system - but do you truly think hed make a decision that the kid should not play for united again just from that? I think that hed speak to zirkzee, tell him what he needs to change and then see whether zirkzee can do it in training matches etc. if not THEN make that decision
Tell me why players will not under perform in united , zirkzee has not even been here up to 4months and yet their are speculation of him living He was never brought in as a striker he's to play behind the striker bcos of his good link up play
I agree and unfortunately that is not a role that Amorin uses. He needs to be a striker or one of the inside forwards. He is not a central midfielder or a wing back.
Zirkzee has said himself he's not a striker, but a playmaker providing assists.....but, he hasn't achieved much in that department either. He may click, possibly with an influx of new players, though time is precious, especially with a new first team coach in place.
If we sign anyone in jan it’s going to be alvaro due to a cheap buy back. No chance zirkzee leaves in jan same with gyokeres. If we were to sell or loan zirkzee it will be in the summer at the earliest
If you want to swing the axe maybe we should look at rashford too his been here for yrs, maybe we look at Maguire , lindalof, lukeshaw since we are swinging the axes
@@kingdrax7261 lindelof, Maguire are both gone. their contract is up upcoming summer and it isn’t getting renewed. who wants shaw? he is always injured. Rashford? we have to wait and see how he does under Amorim.
@@kingdrax7261 Maguire, Lindelof and Evans contracts are up in the Summer (Maguire has a 12 month option...not sure if that's just United's or if both parties can trigger that) There are probably (STILL) a dozen players in the squad that Amorim might deem not suited and/or good enough for his system but he won't be able to go out and replace them all in one or two windows, so he's going to have to work with what he inherits and maybe promote a few Academy players. Amorim has performed wonders but this isn't Sporting Lisbon or the Portuguese Premier League though and I just can't see him turning any of our underperforming attackers into goal machines quickly enough (if at all) and we urgently need more goals! Weirdly, despite the many points dropped already, we are still well within touching distance with almost a third of the season done, and there are signs that several other clubs ahead of us are not at their consistent best...and others will likely fall off as the season progresses. Bringing in a consistent, reliable goalscorer/provider or two in January to capitalize on this looks an absolute must at this point. Alphonso Davis and Jonathan David could well be available in January at a bargain price as their contracts are up in the Summer and their respective clubs won't want to lose them for nothing ( giving Obi-Martin a place on the bench probably isn't a bad shout either) Gyökeres won't be sold in January but I'd definitely want both him and David over Hojlund (who has gone backwards this season) and Zirkzee (who is a very good technical player in the right team/system/league but looks completely out of his depth for United in the Premier League) and of all the players (Bruno, Garnacho, Amad, Erikson, Mount, Zirkzee) we currently have that could play as one of Amorim's two no. 10's for me it's currently between Zirkzee and Mount as to who is the least productive and sellable. A few years ago we could have kept everyone and still gone out and bought the other two, kept them all and seen which ones worked out best over another couple of seasons, perhaps loaning one or two of them out but FFP and PSR have put paid to that...we need goals urgently and whilst I'm open to the likes of Marcus being replaced by a more productive, cheaper player that's not gonna happen, certainly not in January and we need more goals between now and the end of the season for a top four place.
Im not sure where this ridiculous expextion and disappointment has come from with zirkzee. He's a young guy with lots to improve but his build up play and passing looks decent, certainly more. Cultured than rasmus. He hasn't scored enough but who has other than garnacho? We don't create chances for our strikers. To say he is on the scrap heap after a few months is crazy.
Zirkzee is never going to score if our wide players insist on doing everything themselves. Same goes for Hojlund; can’t score if Rashford and Garnacho continue their main character syndrome
I have never looked at a 6'5 rugby player build player and said "You're a shit 9, could never be a defender but your technique is good enough to be a decent 10" Bro is a walking dichotomy. Keep him for bit, he might be decent played deeper or perhaps he'll figure out how to shoot, he's got age on his side.
Hojlund and Zirkzee aren’t out here scuffing shoots and missing open goals.. they both get ZERO and I mean ZERO service from the wide players.. bring in Haaland, Gyokeres whoever they will also struggle with greedy wingers. Where are the easy cut back goals Haaland scores every week? 90% of hojlunds goals he made himself or the ball fell to him
Given that we can't do any recruiting until January, I'd like to see what Amorim and his coaching team can do with Zirkzee, Hojlund and Rashy until then. Might get more out of them...
Zirkzee was never gunna take the pressure off hojlund , he isn’t a goal scorer and doesn’t really suit what we’re trying to do our wingers aren’t out and out goalscorers so playing without a natural number 9 just puts more pressure on Rasmus to get the goals , hopefully another natural striker comes in to take some of the burden off him and the likes of garnacho and Amad can keep improving and keep chipping in with more goals . Personally don’t think zirkzee suits the league .
Dont get all the talk about getting Gyökeres when Ruben Amorim was wery clear about NOT getting him. Gyökeres wont be a Manchester United player 🤷♀️ Best regards Ruben Amorim
I think zirkzee is actually really good but with this team it’s difficult, but one thing he does well is pass ! Use him for his strengths. Don’t get rid of
He fit perfectly as a shadow striker behind Høylund. Ruben Amorim often play with a shadow striker. Zirkzee and Amorim will show you all wrong. Lets GO reds!
More like his face doesn’t fit. If he had blonde hair and blue eyes he’d be given time. That bum Hojlund can’t control a football and he went 16 games on the bounce without scoring yet nobody batted an eye lid.
If he's still carrying weight at this stage in the season then he needs to go. He obviously doesn't have that discipline to control his diet or training and we don't want players like that. He looks slow and sluggish. We need winners and goalscorer's. We have no more room for sentient at MUFC, its time to be ruthless!!
Zirkzee’s scored 1 goal in around 700mins and Hojlund has scored 2 in around 640mins. That’s approx 3 goals in 15 90 min games combined. Not exactly blistering form.
Højlund doesn't get the service. This is his second season and nothing's changed. This is a problem that needs addressing asap, otherwise United could lose a potential 30 goal/season striker through no fault of his own.
Hojlund has started more games too. Hojlund also offers nothing. At least with Zirkzee he can control a football and bring others into play. We look better when he and Amad play together because they have brains and a first touchz
@@faradayfelixHojlund is brain dead. He doesn’t have the movement to recieve the ball. Look at the goal Amad scored v PAOK and watch Hojlunds movement. He should’ve moved across to Amads right and ran the channel to not only recieve the ball but to create space for Amad by taking the defender away but instead, he runs in a straight line infront of Amad leaving the defenders in Amads way meaning Amad has to bend the ball around him and the defender but luckily the ball takes a nick off the defender and goes in. That’s just one example of his brain deadness. He is always wrestling defenders and going to ground.
It’s reported that Amorim demanded players with Intensity during his discussions. Zirkzee, doesn’t fit that model Would be like asking Berba to do the same
Stop feeling sorry for over paid players this manger will get rid and build what he wants he's young and hungry. He is not here to play he may have at least 20 more years easy to manage at the top level so he is not here to fail!. This feels different this time. This is our time again new back room new stadium on the way. This manager is less talk more action. All the players can play with the right words and discipline. He ant scared of the players they need to be scared of him.
Zirkzee has gone from eating beautiful Italian food to now even more addictive English food. Once he has gone through the whole array of options at Greggs and gotten over his new addiction to Walkers prawn cocktail crisps we'll start to see the best of him. It'll be a few months so we have to stay patient.
This is a rubbish report, just trying to guess what is going on in people's heads. It could be a guess come true, but it's just as likely to be utter rubbish
We can bring in whatever striker we want but they will not perform until the team is changed to provide service for a striker because we simply do not do that at all go look at the stats on it. Only amad is a creative winger our right and leftback arent putting in crosses and even bruno doesn’t make chances for a striker and we as a team havent for years.
My advise to Amorim & man utd is they should avoid the mistake Ten Hag made when he raided his former club Ajax to sign Antony.Amorim should avoid going back to Lisbon to sign gyokeres bcos EPL is not Dutch or Portuguese leagues.Osimhen is the killer u need in ur team.
The issue with Zirkzee is that his face doesn’t fit. If he had blonde hair and blue eyes he’d be afforded more time. I’d sell Hojlund before Zirkzee. Hojlund can’t control a football and he doesn’t have any movement, too busy wrestling defenders and going to ground. The lad went 16 games on the bounce without a goal last season and nobody batted an eye lid. Zirkzee hasn’t even started 8 games and he is being wrote off but at least he has a first touch, ability to bring others into the game and be useful to the squad. I can’t see anything useful about Hojlund. Ten Hag forced the club to get Hojlund because he’s on the same agency and he probably got a nice signing fee off the books. £70mill was an absolute rip. I’d sell him and get Gyokeres before considering selling Zirkzee.
Worries me that garna felt the need not to celebrate , who’s talking to this lad what’s he listening to? Too much expected from the kid let him play for a few years, he has no idol to look up to in that squad he’s already the main threat in the team that’s not his fault either.
The hojlund conversation will eventually be heard, and that guy spends more time on the floor than he does on his foot. His finishing isn't bad, but every other aspect of his game is crap,and his understanding of the game of football is terrible,He has to stop wrestling defenders and try to get away from them as much as possible,maybe the should initiate a special training for him by constantly passing the ball to him so he can develop a decent touch on the ball.
Maybe you're right and I would like to see him develop behind a top notch first choice striker, but not sure he'll be given the time. In his career up to now he's not really close to Gyokeres and has played at a lower level (Gyokeres since 2001 has 38 goals in 91 games for Coventry, 45 goals in 44 games for Sporting). Hojlund has flatered to deceive with 9 in 32 for Atalanta and 11 in 37 for United, but most not in the league. To be honest, I think that none of our strikers since Van Persie have scored more than 20 league goals in a season so we are a graveyard for strikers.
Lovely. Zirkzee quickly becoming an absolute shit show. Doesn't deserve to be on the pitch right now. To be fair, he isn't a striker so perhaps not right to judge him as he has been playing there, but still, brutal.
You’re fucking toxic That’s how you guys ruin our lovely club Everybody can’t hit the ground running This boy just came in not even started up to 4 games Fuck y’all
Joshua Zirkzee has been a complete disaster. He looks like he's never played football before most of the time. I don't know what we, and the fans who praised the signing, were thinking.
I for one was thinking he looks like a missing piece of the puzzle type signing for a club that has 95% of it's squad in place in a settled system but needs a difference maker...someone the Board looked at and thought, he would be a great player for us in maybe 18 months time, hes under the radar and affordable...let's go and get him now rather than lose out to a rival next Summer when he might cost £60m. His skill set is top drawer but he is used to playing in a more technical, far slower, less competitive and physical league where he doesn't have to expend too much energy or use his size so much and has a manager/coach/system and team mates he knows. He's now playing in a much tougher league in a dysfunctional team/system with players who aren't on the same wavelength and for whom team orders aren't fully understood or appear to be optional. He'd probably be ok in the City squad as a rotational option because of the quality of players who are all totally in tune with the system and due to the dominance they have in possession. It sounds harsh to replace him based on the evidence of 17 games, especially when other, far more established players on a kings ransom aren't exactly pulling up trees, but we need goals now and I'm afraid I would swap him for Jonathan David in a heart beat right now.
got bit carried away but ah well hahah . CB LCB RCB LWB RWB CDM CM CAM ST ========================================================================================================================================================= Buy to Replace : / Diakité / Hato / / Frimpong / L.Camara / Hjulmand / Ferguson Yoth to replace : Vitek GK / Amass Move player : Maz / Zirks / Rash sell to be replaced : Bayindir / Maggy / Linds / Evans / Shaw / Moved Maz / Cass / Erikson / Antony / Gnacho I would sell Gnacho as pro get a gd price and at the moment he is to selfish to be part of a team .As for rebuild we need to sort the Wing back , I like the idea of have Amad/ Bruno / Mount/ Mainoo/ Zirks as CAMs and Then replace Eriksson and Cass and buy few CMD/CMs , Next I think Linds /Evans /Maggy all probs at end of their united careers so would buy some replacements prob put Maz as a RCB we Yoro . For now though would play Hoj and Rash as striker and try Buy Evan Ferguson at some point , United should have 3 gd option even if we only have 1 ST position . the key to this team will prob end up being versatility. Squad of : Pos !st - Team Sub ============================================= GK Onana Vitek / Heaton LCB Martinez Hato CB De Ligt Diakité RCB Yoro Maz LWB Amass Malacia RWB Frimpong Dalot CMD Ugarte L.Camara / Kone CMD Hjulmand Colleyer / Gore CAM Bruno Amad CAM Mainoo Mount / Zirks ST Rash Ferguson /Hoj
Oh yeah let’s bring the manager and buy all his old players if they’re good enough for Portugal they’re good enough for the prem right 👍 worked so well with ten hag 👍 just buy the whole sporting squad we will win the league easy 👍👍👍
Like this comment if you want to sign Gyökeres!
Nah, I'm alright. We need to stop this whole 'He's mates with the managers vicars uncle goldfish so let's sign him' that reached an insane level under Ten Hag.
I’d love him, guy’s an absolute goals monster, but Amorim already said he isn’t taking anyone from sporting in Jan and even named Gyokeres as someone he can’t and won’t take. Any rumours otherwise therefore are nonsense.
Listen this guy is a real goal machine, Amorim may not go for him in jan but I can bk the club will want him in the summer because at the end of the day, it’ll be a club decision not a manager decision unfortunately. But I think he will like the idea of having his main man here at old Trafford.
Let's be real the news is that there is no news.
The key difference between Amorim and all the managers we've had before is that he’s taking charge of a squad that’s been underperforming, and yet has incredible young talent either already here or just about to break through. With a couple of smart additions, I genuinely believe this team could be coached to compete for the highest honours, no matter how ambitious that sounds. Moyes inherited an ageing squad. LVG took the same group, brought in some random players, and made little impact. Mourinho did what Mourinho does, but it didn’t lead to lasting success. Ole had some ideas, but everything fell apart when Ronaldo came back. And looking back, it’s still baffling how anyone at the club thought spending £130m on AWB and Maguire was a good move. Amorim now has a core group of players to build on..Mainoo, Ugarte, Yoro, Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Mount, Collyer, Dalot, and Malacia, plus maybe a few more. With the right additions, this team could really come together and do something special.
You make great points, eloquently put. However, your name is Gerrard and so I disagree strongly.
Joe Smith’s burner. I’d know that toxic positivity anywhere.
I agree with everything except for mount
I fully agree with everything you said. I somehow feel that's common sense like it's something that we all Man United fans should know
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Amorin said no signings from Sporting in January, He further said that Gyokeres would be able to choose his own path in the Summer.
Yep he did . Reports seem to of chosen to disregard that fact haha..
Yes. Don't let facts get in the way when writing a story. The English journos moto.
I would loan hojlund give zirkkze another season and get groykees in summer. Pardon my spelling.
And the President of Sporting said that it is possible if they pay the clause, but he does not believe in it.
Gyokeres will have an auction in the summer, Barcelona, PSG, MU, maybe Mcity, Bayern... Viktor will decide
Don't understand what anyone sees in Hoijlund? The last two games he barely touched the ball. He doesn't go find the game. If you look at his runs, all he does is make runs to the near post. Easy to defend. He doesn't try to lose or hide from defenders. He's too obvious, head down straight at goal, doesn't do anything special, and can't beat a defender 1v1 (he's not very fast). Zirkzee isn't scoring goals yet, but he finds the game and gets the team moving forward where we at least have a chance at scoring.
If Amorim made Gyokeres this great striker, in a system that creates loads of chances for strikers and is really great and he's a fantastic coach. Then United wouldn't need to buy Gyokeres because Amorim will just get Hoijlund and Rashford scoring loads of goals as a 9.
They are not the same players. Rashford is probably finished and Hojlund isn’t nearly as good as Gyokeres.
@@MB98164when Gyokeres was Hojlunds age, he scored 3 goals in 31 games in the championship….
@ I’m not taking about stats I’m talking about actual ability, in my opinion Hojlund can not do what Gyokeres does.
The thing is, zirkzees scoring record before we signed him was pretty shit. Why on earth do we expect him to do any better at united?
Because he was bought to bring Hojulnd into play. His hold up play is really good
He is a INEOS signing and wil fit like a glow behind Høylund in Amorims system. Ten Hag didnt want him and playd him all wrong. Ten Hag dont want strikers to do anything but keep the defebders busy for the wingers and mid fielders to score.
he's a 10 not a 9
@@elinjens1 I was seeing that too. There is a reason Hojlund was open in the box waiting for a cross over and over but the wingers would try and cut in and shoot instead of passing. Even Amad was doing it and Amad is much more of a creator than our other wingers and has the vision to see the 9 wide open in the box. They were told to play that way IMO. Zirkzee could open the game up for Rasmus played as one of the two 10's.
This is the issue for some reason many United fans think hes a striker. He isnt
Our strikers feed off scraps. Impossible for them to hit numbers with no patterns of play
Exactly. Hoijlund is just as talented if not better than Gyokeres. The difference is the team chemistry, combinations, patterns of play etc every player knowing there role in the team. If Gyokeres came to United right now there is no chance he is bagging every week.
100% facts
Zirkzee and Gyokeres are two different types of player. ("Crap" and "Good", I hear you say). One is a 10, one is a 9. You can't compere them. Although Zirkzee does conduct himself with the demeanor of someone who has just woken up. I also think he's probably carrying a few excess pounds.
Blows my mind that a professional footballer at his age in this day and age is overweight
If Zirkzee is leaving, it's because the player wants to leave. Amorim coming in and not wanting Ruud to stick around because he wanted all players to have a clean slate doesn't rhyme with him having decided to axe Zirkzee before having seen him in practice even.
Hes also never even met Zirkzee because he’s on international duty. Even if he‘s unsure whether Zirkzee can fit the playing style, no coach would ever make their mind up without ever speaking to the kid or seeing him in practice.
@@ulrichschmidt2835 To say that "no coach would ever make their mind up before ever speaking to the player" is a bit of a stretch though. Some coaches might very well have a lot of preconcieved notions. But in this case it seems it was a particular point made that there should be absolutely none of that.
@ understood and agreed - as i said, amorim might well think that what hes seen so far from zirkzee is not good enough/ not right for his system - but do you truly think hed make a decision that the kid should not play for united again just from that? I think that hed speak to zirkzee, tell him what he needs to change and then see whether zirkzee can do it in training matches etc. if not THEN make that decision
@@ulrichschmidt2835 Why would I think Amorim would have made such a premature decision? Didn't you even read what I wrote in my comments?
He’d be a good 10 in that system
Tell me why players will not under perform in united , zirkzee has not even been here up to 4months and yet their are speculation of him living
He was never brought in as a striker he's to play behind the striker bcos of his good link up play
I agree and unfortunately that is not a role that Amorin uses. He needs to be a striker or one of the inside forwards. He is not a central midfielder or a wing back.
Zirkzee has said himself he's not a striker, but a playmaker providing assists.....but, he hasn't achieved much in that department either.
He may click, possibly with an influx of new players, though time is precious, especially with a new first team coach in place.
@ he had some assists bro give him time
Igahlo was best shorterm striker we brought in he’s numbers were decent
If we sign anyone in jan it’s going to be alvaro due to a cheap buy back. No chance zirkzee leaves in jan same with gyokeres. If we were to sell or loan zirkzee it will be in the summer at the earliest
Football is a brutal game. If he's not good enough, and it will help us get in Gyokeres, swing the axe. We all like to say United is a business.
If you want to swing the axe maybe we should look at rashford too his been here for yrs, maybe we look at Maguire , lindalof, lukeshaw since we are swinging the axes
@@kingdrax7261 lindelof, Maguire are both gone. their contract is up upcoming summer and it isn’t getting renewed.
who wants shaw? he is always injured.
Rashford? we have to wait and see how he does under Amorim.
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Maguire, Lindelof and Evans contracts are up in the Summer (Maguire has a 12 month option...not sure if that's just United's or if both parties can trigger that)
There are probably (STILL) a dozen players in the squad that Amorim might deem not suited and/or good enough for his system but he won't be able to go out and replace them all in one or two windows, so he's going to have to work with what he inherits and maybe promote a few Academy players. Amorim has performed wonders but this isn't Sporting Lisbon or the Portuguese Premier League though and I just can't see him turning any of our underperforming attackers into goal machines quickly enough (if at all) and we urgently need more goals!
Weirdly, despite the many points dropped already, we are still well within touching distance with almost a third of the season done, and there are signs that several other clubs ahead of us are not at their consistent best...and others will likely fall off as the season progresses. Bringing in a consistent, reliable goalscorer/provider or two in January to capitalize on this looks an absolute must at this point.
Alphonso Davis and Jonathan David could well be available in January at a bargain price as their contracts are up in the Summer and their respective clubs won't want to lose them for nothing ( giving Obi-Martin a place on the bench probably isn't a bad shout either)
Gyökeres won't be sold in January but I'd definitely want both him and David over Hojlund (who has gone backwards this season) and Zirkzee (who is a very good technical player in the right team/system/league but looks completely out of his depth for United in the Premier League) and of all the players (Bruno, Garnacho, Amad, Erikson, Mount, Zirkzee) we currently have that could play as one of Amorim's two no. 10's for me it's currently between Zirkzee and Mount as to who is the least productive and sellable.
A few years ago we could have kept everyone and still gone out and bought the other two, kept them all and seen which ones worked out best over another couple of seasons, perhaps loaning one or two of them out but FFP and PSR have put paid to that...we need goals urgently and whilst I'm open to the likes of Marcus being replaced by a more productive, cheaper player that's not gonna happen, certainly not in January and we need more goals between now and the end of the season for a top four place.
All players that have survived 3 managers should get double axed
@@kingdrax7261United fans 101 😂 what do they have to do with Gyokeres and Zirkzee? We all know they should be gone
Im not sure where this ridiculous expextion and disappointment has come from with zirkzee. He's a young guy with lots to improve but his build up play and passing looks decent, certainly more. Cultured than rasmus. He hasn't scored enough but who has other than garnacho? We don't create chances for our strikers. To say he is on the scrap heap after a few months is crazy.
We need to be patient with Zirkzee
I just love Jay
Zirkzee is never going to score if our wide players insist on doing everything themselves. Same goes for Hojlund; can’t score if Rashford and Garnacho continue their main character syndrome
I have never looked at a 6'5 rugby player build player and said "You're a shit 9, could never be a defender but your technique is good enough to be a decent 10" Bro is a walking dichotomy. Keep him for bit, he might be decent played deeper or perhaps he'll figure out how to shoot, he's got age on his side.
Hojlund and Zirkzee aren’t out here scuffing shoots and missing open goals.. they both get ZERO and I mean ZERO service from the wide players.. bring in Haaland, Gyokeres whoever they will also struggle with greedy wingers.
Where are the easy cut back goals Haaland scores every week? 90% of hojlunds goals he made himself or the ball fell to him
Zirkzee mught actually go. We e might not have time for him to adjust. We need players up and running right now.
Given that we can't do any recruiting until January, I'd like to see what Amorim and his coaching team can do with Zirkzee, Hojlund and Rashy until then. Might get more out of them...
Zirkzee was never gunna take the pressure off hojlund , he isn’t a goal scorer and doesn’t really suit what we’re trying to do our wingers aren’t out and out goalscorers so playing without a natural number 9 just puts more pressure on Rasmus to get the goals , hopefully another natural striker comes in to take some of the burden off him and the likes of garnacho and Amad can keep improving and keep chipping in with more goals . Personally don’t think zirkzee suits the league .
Dont get all the talk about getting Gyökeres when Ruben Amorim was wery clear about NOT getting him. Gyökeres wont be a Manchester United player 🤷♀️ Best regards Ruben Amorim
I think zirkzee is actually really good but with this team it’s difficult, but one thing he does well is pass ! Use him for his strengths. Don’t get rid of
Zirkzee doesn't seem to fit, this could be a case of cut your losses now.
He fit perfectly as a shadow striker behind Høylund. Ruben Amorim often play with a shadow striker. Zirkzee and Amorim will show you all wrong. Lets GO reds!
More like his face doesn’t fit. If he had blonde hair and blue eyes he’d be given time. That bum Hojlund can’t control a football and he went 16 games on the bounce without scoring yet nobody batted an eye lid.
Still needs time! Early days and a new manager to impress.
Bin Rashford now...he needs to step up and grow up on the pitch in another club we have been protecting him for way too long.
If he's still carrying weight at this stage in the season then he needs to go. He obviously doesn't have that discipline to control his diet or training and we don't want players like that. He looks slow and sluggish. We need winners and goalscorer's. We have no more room for sentient at MUFC, its time to be ruthless!!
Zirkzee’s scored 1 goal in around 700mins and Hojlund has scored 2 in around 640mins. That’s approx 3 goals in 15 90 min games combined. Not exactly blistering form.
Not even haaland would be able to get 10 goals. Look at the amount of good chances hojlund gets, it’s practically 0.
Højlund doesn't get the service.
This is his second season and nothing's changed.
This is a problem that needs addressing asap, otherwise United could lose a potential 30 goal/season striker through no fault of his own.
@ same ol lazy excuses, he doesn’t make any of his opportunities either as he hasn’t got the positional intelligence.
Hojlund has started more games too. Hojlund also offers nothing. At least with Zirkzee he can control a football and bring others into play. We look better when he and Amad play together because they have brains and a first touchz
@@faradayfelixHojlund is brain dead. He doesn’t have the movement to recieve the ball. Look at the goal Amad scored v PAOK and watch Hojlunds movement. He should’ve moved across to Amads right and ran the channel to not only recieve the ball but to create space for Amad by taking the defender away but instead, he runs in a straight line infront of Amad leaving the defenders in Amads way meaning Amad has to bend the ball around him and the defender but luckily the ball takes a nick off the defender and goes in. That’s just one example of his brain deadness. He is always wrestling defenders and going to ground.
It’s reported that Amorim demanded players with Intensity during his discussions.
Zirkzee, doesn’t fit that model
Would be like asking Berba to do the same
Zirkzee is POPPED 😂👎🏾
God hearing jay swallow all the time, its driving me crazy, and he is always drooling and or salivating way more than whats normal, whats going on Jay
Bunged up. Needs a packet of Tunes
Click bait absolute bollocks..do better lads. theres absolutely ZERO momentum gathering anywhere to a Gyokeres story. Non.
I don’t want us blowing money, Amorim should see if he can improve some of our players first
Stop feeling sorry for over paid players this manger will get rid and build what he wants he's young and hungry. He is not here to play he may have at least 20 more years easy to manage at the top level so he is not here to fail!.
This feels different this time.
This is our time again new back room new stadium on the way. This manager is less talk more action. All the players can play with the right words and discipline.
He ant scared of the players they need to be scared of him.
Zirkzee has gone from eating beautiful Italian food to now even more addictive English food. Once he has gone through the whole array of options at Greggs and gotten over his new addiction to Walkers prawn cocktail crisps we'll start to see the best of him. It'll be a few months so we have to stay patient.
Jay waffles so much, I have to play him at 1.5 speed
And the cycle continues...
Zlatan was good for us until he did his knee.
Wtf is blue sky? Am I old now because I’ve never head of it
Hojlund not good enough, Amorin imo will get rid
This is a rubbish report, just trying to guess what is going on in people's heads. It could be a guess come true, but it's just as likely to be utter rubbish
We can bring in whatever striker we want but they will not perform until the team is changed to provide service for a striker because we simply do not do that at all go look at the stats on it. Only amad is a creative winger our right and leftback arent putting in crosses and even bruno doesn’t make chances for a striker and we as a team havent for years.
sounds quite stupid to get rid of zirkzee asap to get other questionable striker from minor league.
Somethings telling me Rúben Amorims gonna cook at Utd 🇵🇹🇾🇪
The Sun shouldn't be mentioned or quoted IMO
Motty always sounds like he has a nostril full of Davey Coote 😂😂😂😂😂
Hojlund is not the striker everyone thought he would turn into positioning control and general play in the box has a lot to be desired
Hate to say it but Zirkzee might actually be poop. Seeing nothing from him….
Greenwood was the chosen one and why we went short term experienced to allow him to drop into our next 9
Why can NO ONE pronounce the man’s name right?
YO-KA-RESH
Go kart rash?
@ GEE YOU CARESS
My advise to Amorim & man utd is they should avoid the mistake Ten Hag made when he raided his former club Ajax to sign Antony.Amorim should avoid going back to Lisbon to sign gyokeres bcos EPL is not Dutch or Portuguese leagues.Osimhen is the killer u need in ur team.
The issue with Zirkzee is that his face doesn’t fit. If he had blonde hair and blue eyes he’d be afforded more time.
I’d sell Hojlund before Zirkzee. Hojlund can’t control a football and he doesn’t have any movement, too busy wrestling defenders and going to ground. The lad went 16 games on the bounce without a goal last season and nobody batted an eye lid. Zirkzee hasn’t even started 8 games and he is being wrote off but at least he has a first touch, ability to bring others into the game and be useful to the squad. I can’t see anything useful about Hojlund.
Ten Hag forced the club to get Hojlund because he’s on the same agency and he probably got a nice signing fee off the books. £70mill was an absolute rip. I’d sell him and get Gyokeres before considering selling Zirkzee.
Sorry dude, looks like Utd have broken you. You are Mr. Negative lately. Hope you get your optimism back soon...
You are right , you don't need to apologize
Worries me that garna felt the need not to celebrate , who’s talking to this lad what’s he listening to? Too much expected from the kid let him play for a few years, he has no idol to look up to in that squad he’s already the main threat in the team that’s not his fault either.
Why are players being interviewed?
Didn't he celebrate by giving his jersey to that kid ?
The hojlund conversation will eventually be heard, and that guy spends more time on the floor than he does on his foot. His finishing isn't bad, but every other aspect of his game is crap,and his understanding of the game of football is terrible,He has to stop wrestling defenders and try to get away from them as much as possible,maybe the should initiate a special training for him by constantly passing the ball to him so he can develop a decent touch on the ball.
Zirkzee can play 10
Hojlund not good enough too. Need quality everywhere even on subs bench
F this play from the back lets just play the united way and get 2 or 3 up front
Zirkzee, Hojlund and Rashford all need to go. Striker reset needed.
Disagree about Hojlund. Playing in Amorin's system he has the same qualities as Gyokeres.
Get in the sea ffs
Maybe you're right and I would like to see him develop behind a top notch first choice striker, but not sure he'll be given the time. In his career up to now he's not really close to Gyokeres and has played at a lower level (Gyokeres since 2001 has 38 goals in 91 games for Coventry, 45 goals in 44 games for Sporting). Hojlund has flatered to deceive with 9 in 32 for Atalanta and 11 in 37 for United, but most not in the league. To be honest, I think that none of our strikers since Van Persie have scored more than 20 league goals in a season so we are a graveyard for strikers.
What a 🤡
@@trevcrouch2971 Will look forward to reviewing this in a few years when we see how they do if we keep them.
Lovely. Zirkzee quickly becoming an absolute shit show. Doesn't deserve to be on the pitch right now. To be fair, he isn't a striker so perhaps not right to judge him as he has been playing there, but still, brutal.
You’re fucking toxic
That’s how you guys ruin our lovely club
Everybody can’t hit the ground running
This boy just came in not even started up to 4 games
Fuck y’all
He is pony.
Joshua Zirkzee has been a complete disaster. He looks like he's never played football before most of the time. I don't know what we, and the fans who praised the signing, were thinking.
I for one was thinking he looks like a missing piece of the puzzle type signing for a club that has 95% of it's squad in place in a settled system but needs a difference maker...someone the Board looked at and thought, he would be a great player for us in maybe 18 months time, hes under the radar and affordable...let's go and get him now rather than lose out to a rival next Summer when he might cost £60m.
His skill set is top drawer but he is used to playing in a more technical, far slower, less competitive and physical league where he doesn't have to expend too much energy or use his size so much and has a manager/coach/system and team mates he knows. He's now playing in a much tougher league in a dysfunctional team/system with players who aren't on the same wavelength and for whom team orders aren't fully understood or appear to be optional.
He'd probably be ok in the City squad as a rotational option because of the quality of players who are all totally in tune with the system and due to the dominance they have in possession.
It sounds harsh to replace him based on the evidence of 17 games, especially when other, far more established players on a kings ransom aren't exactly pulling up trees, but we need goals now and I'm afraid I would swap him for Jonathan David in a heart beat right now.
got bit carried away but ah well hahah .
CB LCB RCB LWB RWB CDM CM CAM ST
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Buy to Replace : / Diakité / Hato / / Frimpong / L.Camara / Hjulmand / Ferguson
Yoth to replace : Vitek GK / Amass
Move player : Maz / Zirks / Rash
sell to be replaced : Bayindir / Maggy / Linds / Evans / Shaw / Moved Maz / Cass / Erikson / Antony / Gnacho
I would sell Gnacho as pro get a gd price and at the moment he is to selfish to be part of a team .As for rebuild we need to sort the Wing back , I like the idea of have Amad/ Bruno / Mount/ Mainoo/ Zirks as CAMs and Then replace Eriksson and Cass and buy few CMD/CMs , Next I think Linds /Evans /Maggy all probs at end of their united careers so would buy some replacements prob put Maz as a RCB we Yoro . For now though would play Hoj and Rash as striker and try Buy Evan Ferguson at some point , United should have 3 gd option even if we only have 1 ST position . the key to this team will prob end up being versatility.
Squad of :
Pos !st - Team Sub
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GK Onana Vitek / Heaton
LCB Martinez Hato
CB De Ligt Diakité
RCB Yoro Maz
LWB Amass Malacia
RWB Frimpong Dalot
CMD Ugarte L.Camara / Kone
CMD Hjulmand Colleyer / Gore
CAM Bruno Amad
CAM Mainoo Mount / Zirks
ST Rash Ferguson /Hoj
He’s gonna put rashy as striker bro watch this space 🙏😁
Oh yeah let’s bring the manager and buy all his old players if they’re good enough for Portugal they’re good enough for the prem right 👍 worked so well with ten hag 👍 just buy the whole sporting squad we will win the league easy 👍👍👍