Why The Pokémon Anime's Art Style Changed Finally EXPLAINED
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We FINALLY Got The Answer To This Question! But How Do YOU Feel About it?
I really liked the xy camera, but sm and jn still had great battles
I didn't care much about the change in art style but the overhaul of personality from gradually growing up mentally to regressing mentally, that was unacceptable
Personally I liked the playful life style in Sun & Moon. It didn't really ruin the anime for me. Personality wise I don't really mind that change either. Everybody has a different taste when it comes to TV.
@@PCBrian fax
Ash xy don't have the previous development
Even if ash "didn't seem like a 10 year old" in XY, it doesn't change the fact that XY had the best story in the entire anime.
Ash should’ve aged up as the anime progressed. Not year on year like irl, but they should of aged him into his teen years for sure
Agreed
Yes and not age him backward.
Yes, something like 1 year every two gens. Making him 11 in hoen and sinnoh, 12 in b/w and x/y and 13 in sun and moon and journeys. Making every gen take about 6 months.
@@rikmetz4720totally
@@rikmetz47201 year per gen. No 2 gens.
I loved the XYZ artstyle so much, changing the artstyle in SM made no sense to me...he didn't even look like ash anymore
Exactly
I like xy's art style better though. I dont like the childish art style but thats my opinion oc
Also they make Jessie and James look like seniors. Jessie with a fat hips. James messed up hair and with a it of a belly.
So what the new Director says is, when he was 10, he also traveled around the world with a electric rodent catching monsters?
Interesting to know. My assumption was the older artstyle, especially the style in XY, just wouldn't have fit the more relaxed vibe SM had from the games. Like, in the SM games, up until you start getting into the UBs and Lusamine plotline, it feels very much like an island vacation with friends. Even the apparent villain team is just a bunch of rowdy kids, compared to the genocidal Flare. XY's style was great, I just figured it was changed because it wouldn't have fit Alola well.
Also, "mixed reception" is one way to put it. I've been cussed out for defending the SM style before 😅 The discourse was really toxic back in the day, but has dialed down considerably since.
They could have worked for SM
@@eljordinio7647 I just don't feel it would be as fitting, XY felt more "intense" for the vacationy/slice of life tone. To me, the art change was more the series letting its hair down and just goofing off and having a good time.
That's just my personal opinion.
Yeah man your definitely on point with the assumption I would say that was general reason as to why us fans thought SM changed the artstyle due to it probably not fitting the vibe and it's clear it wouldn't.
I'm sorry you had to go through that back in the day at least these days people get less heated 😅
@@13CrystalHeart after that tho, it should have gotten serious again
Although I do understand Nakano's point his decision on making Ash more childlike really ended up being more like a light switch straight up comming from XYZ, it truly felt like a disconnection from past versions, which works fine as it's own thing but when you tie up all the series together it just adds more inconsistency within Ash's character, despite me not agreeing with that I appreciate the fact that he alongside Tomiyasu were able to make their vision of Ash's character true and tell their own story, props to them for that
The problem is just what came before SM, XY Ash was best thing version of him i have ever seen.
But when SM was annonced, i was not happy about the change design and it has been stuck with it ever sense.
The anime was not same when the art style changed, it focus on more comedy which then forget the plot of the episode.
But Journeys art style was better but it still was the problem with Ash’s personality.
Least u get the personality problems
I personally don’t mind the art style swap always liked how more natural it felt (probably because when i got back into the anime it was during the S&M era so im comfortable with it lol) I still feel Ash as a character is mature enough mentally to grow but also still young enough to be 10. Like seriously he shown that from XY onwards he could build teams that would seem unconventional and make them work and develop strategies that nobody else thought about. His drive to better himself and his Pokémon has always been a mature thing same with him wanting to help his friends. Cause bell me season 1 Ash was absolutely self absorbed and stubborn compared to now where he puts others before his own feelings. So in all just because the art style changed doesn’t mean he wasn’t always gonna mature while still being a kid. It’s called growing up and learning from life experiences anime staff.
XYZ they wanted to focus on ash's battling skills and bravery, but Sun and Moon they took a step back to really expand and create this world for Ash that he would look upon as his home away from home, however I don't think Ash lost his maturity, he battled like crazy and did get stronger and took a break but early in the anime he realized he wants to get back into being a pokemon master and it sparking the grand trials, and one thing people don't even talk about is that Ash was serious when it came to battles, just look at Ash vs Olivia, he fucking punched the floor and made rockruff beat the shit out of lycanrock, there were some goofy moments during the battle however it shows growth that he is ok with losing and wants to bring out the best in his pokemon and have fun, when in XYZ blud would go into a state of depression when he lost a battle. he was goofy outside of battling thats all. I will admit it was a really wierd change in the start but I got used to it.
it is still one of the worst decisions in anipoke history
👍 agree
Okay
I will respect it
But I won't agree with you
i love the alola artstyle and i have a lot of good memories of watching it with my sister, it really does convey that feeling of a holiday and ash is honestly just adorable but i also really do love xyz and its darker tones, as a kid i remember rewatching the end arc over and over again so when i rewatched the anime last year i was basically crying. i prefer to just seperate sm and journeys from the rest of the series and just enjoy it without thinking of the drastic change
Despite the controversy the change in art style received, it did provide for more fluent animation when it came to Z Moves and I appreciated that
Your opinion isolated.
@@BikeEdward get lost
@@BikeEdward shut up
Come on guys. Sun and Moon also has good really good animation in battle. Remember the time Pikachu slid then connected an uppercut irontail to Mimikyu? Augh! So Clean!
Ru talking about the Megamart trial fight?
I don't mind the switch in art styles but the one thing I'm disappointed is that "Why is he still a 10-year-old?". The XYZ animation does make him look like 15-17 years old and more mature and I really like that part about it, but during when he gets all badges they do mention on how long there is left before the pokemon tournament starts during the series. In the Journeys series, he was supposed to be at least 18 years old.
In the end, I never liked the idea of the art style change because the director wants the main protagonist to still look like 10 years old.
ASH REMAINS 10 FOREVER ♾️ OR HE COULD BE AT LEAST 11 or 14 or 18
I LIKE IT WHEN ASH IS 10
Ash is a normal human being which means that the X&Y version makes sense. Humans grows up. He was 10 in the first series and a teenager in X&Y because he is a human. That’s how I see it and why I love the X&Y version
bro he *was* growing up at least till dp anime adaptation, but then the silly ash in bw made him 10 again, so from now on he *will* always becomes 10 years old even in xy
the point is, he was never a teenager even in the beginning of xy, he's a 10 years old
ASH REMAINS 10 FOREVER ♾️ OR HE COULD BE AT LEAST 11 or 14 or 18
I LIKE IT WHEN ASH IS 10
I feel like they should've aged Ash up just a tad bit and kept the XY art style.
I also believe they should bring back the ketchup bottle pikachu used to love :)
He should have at least been 12 in Sun and Moon so that when he did the island challenge he was actually old enough
Apparently U need to be at least 11 to do it
Yes i totally agree and I forgot about the ketchup bottle😅
First 9 seasons will always be my favorite. Ash’s OG Pokemon first and 2nd season were the best, felt like I was losing a friend when Ash started moving away from them.
My thing is when I watch the anime, it seem like age don't matter, because if you watch the anime certain stuff in it seem a little unusual to us that's in the real world, and then for 20+ years the fans always question about him being 10 from all these years and now, since he was more mature in the xyz days all of a sudden they complaining about him being mature🤦🏽🤷🏾
Everything after DP just keep getting messed up and why people think that Ash was mature in XY he just looks good thanks to the animation and I personally enjoyed SM more than XY.
No the reason why Ash was mature in xy is because he is acting like a teenager and not a ten year old, and I personally enjoyed XY More then SM
Writers thinking ash was too mature in x/y for a ten year old is stereotypical, everyone grows up at their own speed. There are ten year old kids who are pretty mature for their age, because they are raised good and had serious situations at a young age. But there are also adults who a very immature for their age. Ash personality in x/y could be a good role model for kids. To me some behaviour he showed sometimes in various seasons is too immature even for a ten year old.
Yeah to regress ash's personality to the point where he is way more childish than even the original era, that's just unacceptable
Sun and moon is bar my far my favorite art style
I could see some change, but not that much. If they wanted Ash to act more like a 10 year-old, what about the first episode of XY? Coming off Black and White, that episode makes me cringe at how goofy he act after his growth in the previous series.
Yeah XY Ash did act like a 10 year old kid, i see SM Ash sometimes act like he’s under 10 years old, he also running around while the others walking in normal speed, a bit too much childish if you ask me.
ASH REMAINS 10 FOREVER ♾️ OR HE COULD BE AT LEAST 11 or 14 or 18
To be honest to argument that ash is stiff and boring in XY is not true. He still has his childish moments that shows his funny and goofy side. Ash being too cool for a 10 year-old is true but it's fiction. His character had been developing for almost 20 years at that point and would make sense if he was 16 or 17 to fit his cool characterization. They didn't have to make Ash completely childlike in SM. He still has his serious moments but overall doesn't completely act how he should for the amount of character growth he has at this point. On the animation side, I will always prefer XY art style but I do get why they changed the art style in SM. However, the only problem I have with the art style is Ash's FACE, that's it. Everything else is fine. If his face looked more like Journeys Ash or a mix between SM and XY it would look way better. Basically like Dragon Ball Super Broly Goku. Cause even with that movie's softer animation, you can make Goku look cool in action moments or even in less serious moments but with Ash, he looks off every time he's in any scene let alone action scenes.
Bro ash has ALWAYS been child like even since gen 1 seriously that isn't even an excuse to CHANGE the art style of the anime at all it's still stupid of what the writers did either way change my mind.
for me i love the XY and Z anime, art style and ash in this series the battles in the xyz anime where beautifully done, For sun and moon it was abit weird for me and my younger friends seeing a mature cooling ash to a teentitans Go art style and acting like a kid all of a sudden. But if you combine it like what they did in Journeys it works abit 3D while abit cartoonish but atleast in battle ash looks so much when he was in the xyz era perfect just perfect
I see Sun and Moon like Teen titan Go style, the design was downgrade and i didn’t like it.
@@mattiasolsson1523exactly I watched sun and moon but I couldn't watch journeys with this art style so I rewatched xy and xyz which is the best of the anime in my opinion as I grew up watching pokemon
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Journeys was a bit mixed But the art style was an improvment over SM.
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Okay look, is XY better looking? Yes
Did Sun and Moon do things right with the art style and formula change? Also yes.
Does that get XY Stans to respect others? No!
Okay look, Is XY Better Looking? ABSOLUTELY
Did SM Do things Right with the Artstyle? No
Does that get SM Stans to respect XY? No
Imo as much as Pokemon is a children's show I feel the director forgot that many viewers were still adults who were watching the anime since they were children
loved the video AuraZora
That still doesn't make it okay, and it doesn't mean the rest of us have to _like_ it.
Just another reason not to return to the anime.
This isn't a clear cut answer, what Satoshi Tomiyasu is saying is basically, the same Ash that was also in Advanced Generation and Diamond and Pearl, wasn't the original Ash, so this is why I believe that the Ash that we see in Sun & Moon and Journeys is from another universe and Ash from The Beginning until XY&Z is from another universe, the knowledge of Ash of Mega Evolution is because, I don't know, he might've heard of it from someone in Alola, and not because Sun & Moon is connected to XY&Z, no matter what you say, it's not going to change my mind, and Aura, I think that we should discuss about this in one of your up and coming streams, and as a final, changing the art style, was the WORST mistake that the Pokémon Company did
The ash from AG and DP is still the same ash we followed from the beginning. He's the original ash whether Tomiyasu likes it or not
Change the art style and Ash personality was the worst mistake the anime did, i wasn’t intresting to watch SM after that.
@@mattiasolsson1523 I don't blame u. I watched sun and moon but ash's personality was growing beyond unacceptable
Stop Lying, We get To See a Lot of References to the Previous Seasons in Journeys SM And in XY, (Mostly in Journeys)
Ash Ketchum is a fictional animated character from an over 20 years long series. A series that had so many different writers and art style changes, causing different versions throughout the years. Like how Kanto and Johto ash, Hoenn and Sinnoh ash, Unova ash, Kalos ash, Alola and journeys Ash are all different versions of the same character. Some of these iterations might be more subtle, while other iterations are more obvious * cough* black and white
Time in the anime doesn’t even really move like kukui and burnet had a whole child and ash is still 10 so him changing in design to look older like in xy should be fine he’s maturing over his journey and his reflected that so even he’s meant to be 10 they shouldn’t ignore how time has passed but also hasn’t If you get what I’m tryna say
And Great video bro!
I get it. Just cos Ash is perpetually ten doesn't mean time should stand still
Ash suffered the same fate as Goku they made them dumber for no reason at all. Plus erasing the experience they gain Both Goku and Ash.
I love X&Y it made more sense is like ash grew somehow and have better battle skills thanks to his past experiences.
So am totally confuse how can ash in journey even win when he got downgraded in intellect like how did he not forget his past experience battles but everything else he forgets ?
I find it funny how edgy is now considered boring or bad when edgy is what some wanted more like Yugioh to have more 5ds and those random characters that appears once just 1min in Shonen jump anime/manga just to play them in games they are soo weak but still so cool lmfao. latently in these years movies , anime, games and etc have been doing both fans and the Mc & characters dirty from downgrades to erasing past achievements or completely redesign.
Absolutely unacceptable
Honestly I think it was a good idea to change the art style, cause when I first watched XY I thought Ash was 15 so for a short while I thought XY came after Sun and Moon
So personally good call
I personally stand on the side of those against the art style change mainly for aesthetic reasons. I just don't like how Ash and the other characters from previous seasons look (such as Team Rocket), though I am kind of fine with how the new characters do look however, since I had no previous version to compare them with.
When people asked me what I didn't like of Ash's Alola artstyle my answer would be "I don't like his nose".
I never looked at the matter from a character development perspective as when the SM serie was airing I did not watch it, aside from a few episodes but the critics to how his development, from an inexperienced trainer to a more serious and competent one, seem to have been lost, but we already got that in Black and White so it's nothing new.
Personally the character design they adopted in Journeys, and is sticking on with Horizons if fine by me as it looks more cartooney than the seasons until XYZ but not out right goofy.
I vouldnt take Ash seriously as the dame character in sun and moon. Primarily when they these occasional sudden hyper detailed moments. I get the reasoning i had to stop watching there
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I definitely am okay with the art style change if it means the animation gets to be more expressive and the animators can have way more fun, but maybe this could've been accompanied by a new main protagonist instead of having to write ash backwards. Probably easier to say in hindsight now that we have a new series with a new protagonist that's so universally loved though.
Well said
Ngl idc about the animation just give us Ash back as a side series, or pokemon generations 2 and follow the other characters and then ill truly die happy
Ash of xy does not have its previous development
Finally someone has a reason why ash is changed in gen7
Thanks
Reportedly, Pokemon XY had lower viewership than YO KAI WATCH 😏
Yes even i also feel xy series is boring that why I dropped but in SM I see all people because they make me happy 👍
@@avisnake7770it was a lie lmao
I WANT ASH ORIGINAL DESIGN BACK AND I WANT HIM TO WEAR A JACKET OR HOODIE GLOVES JEANS AGAIN
Not you again. Get over it 😠
@@eljordinio7647 WILL YOU LEAVE ME ALONE 😠😠😠😠😠😠😠
@@Tylersingh2003 you wanted to come in here and make a nuisance about Ash leaving when this is one change we all have to accept, now u deal with me. I love ash as much as the next person but his time is now over. You want me to leave U alone, learn to accept it. Otherwise, tough.
Even I do not complain this much about something. Ash leaving was inevitable.
@@eljordinio7647 ASH WILL RETURN AT SOME POINT
The Sun and Moon style was never bad, the only reason people dislike it is because they Shrunk Ash’s eyes
I have to agree with the director’s choice
I did not like XY ash's personality, he was too one-note. As for the aesthetic design, I like The Power of Us ash the most.
He was also mature, something he was slowly getting from Johto to Kalos
Or made a new generation with this art style for the young crowd and left us "old" people with the ash we knew and loved and idk maybe grew him up to 16, he wins, and make us cry because it ended. I'd rather it end than have his mind be basically wiped out of 19 years. All good things must come to an end. THIS is what comes out of it if it doesn't.
1. I partly blame B&W for stating that Ash is still a 10-year-old, after ALL that development he had from previous experiences. It was their attempt at a soft reboot, that didn't work...
2. We shouldn't treat Ash as a 10-year-old because of past experiences, and growth. And the Fact that TIME actually passes in the Anime, meaning ASH IS NOT TEN...
3. Season 1 - 19 is it's own series, while S&M - Journeys is in it's own continuity...
I LIKE IT WHEN ASH IS 10
I've warmed up to its artstyle, but I want my sharp edges damnit, as sharp as in Code Geass (couldnt think of a better example as I haven't seen that many animes so if this example doesn't work well, then I'm sorry).
I love both XY/XYZ and SM, for different reasons, and the artstyles both make sense for the contexts of the stories they tell. It was just a very jarring shift at the time; honestly, to not drive myself crazy with the character inconsistencies, I just see it as different timelines/continuities; kind of like how the anime portrayals of a character in Pokémon are different from their game portrayals, from their manga portrayals. (Idk if that made sense lol 😅)
Edit: I don’t particularly like how Ash forgets previous things/techniques in BW, SM, and Journeys. The artstyle change wasn’t quite the problem; they could’ve kept the artstyle change while also keeping Ash’s creative battling and quick adaptation, while using Alola as a chance for him to decompress from XY’s events, while still having him be a mentor (with less pressure).
I didn't mind the art style change, but I'd always thought making it look more like the game's art style would've made more sense than what we got
Honestly looking back on it I think the art style was needed especially with how much emotions were shown in and out of battle.
I didn't mind the art style change what ruined the anime after xyz for me was the no gym battles no good villain no good story and no good ost
The change in art style received some controversy, but it did allow for more fluid animation, especially when it came to Z Moves or tera mode, which I personally appreciated. However, I think it's important to have respectful discussions about differing opinions rather than resorting to labeling others.
Damn i wasn't aware that there's a certain way 10 year olds are supposed to act
I like how no one throw in the argument of black and white ash Like pokemon always for away his development at random Or if it fits the plot
I will like to say that they should keep his personality from XY because Ash grow from being a trainer, but the art for the show is fine. I also know some 10 years old act like 15 years old when I was younger
I remember seeing a video or something that claimed SM artstyle changed to compete with Yo-Kai Watch at the time which had better ratings but I never looked into it so idk. Regardless, I personally believe the XY artstyle was far more appealing. I understand that SM artstyle allowed more expressiveness and such but there could have been a better middle ground (Journeys is an example). Also with the age thing, crazy idea but they could have just aged him up. Not sure why they absolutely had to keep him 10 years old. I personally believe he could have aged 1 year per series putting him at 18 in Journeys.
For me, ashes development is a mute point. Because, for the most part, each season ass somehow is mentally nerfed. Yes X and why he was on top of his game, but that was right after one of worst errors, which is black and white. Were most of ashes. Pokémon weren’t fully trained he lost to a guy would Eevees as his team. and he was going through childish arguments with his companion Iris.
As for sun and moon I feel like it makes sense. They changed his personality to make the animation fun. For the animators to have fun and experiment and they try to bring that into journeys.
Even since I was a kid, I knew Ash had a very, very slow progression compared to other series/“ clones“ like Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Were those animes it’s clear as day and you can see how the protagonist progress and got better.
But let me clarify list even though I don’t think ashes journey had his frustrating moments if you look at it as a whole. It doesn’t look too far off to someone competitive journey in something like Pokémon. Like joining an actual tournament or for sure going to suck , but your progress might get better as you keep working at it and I’d say that’s very awesome.
I think that the change was welcome even though i do prefer x y art style the sun and moon is different enough to make it seem as if it’s a new start while retaining some of the knowledge x y ash
(to make it make a bit more sense sun and moon seems like a black and white type series sorta like a new attempt at the series but not changing the ash we knew to such a level that black and white does)
Changing the art style is the bigest mistake of pokemon company they distroyed the ash if they want to be ash as a 10year old kid dp season's ash will be great option to use
Sun and moon The worst art style is ever in the anime searis of pokemon i hate the😡😡😡 art style
I honeslty didn't like the animation or downgraded Ash personality. Well mainly personailty. I do respect the reasons of the change, but it just didn't feel the same. and if your going to try and mix reality with fiction, then for once just make ash older. Literally in the first season he spent a whole year traveling with misty and broke before the Indago league, and he's still 10 after literally every other reagion that claims it took ash roughly a year to collect 8 gym badges.
I don't remember what people esitmate, but I think ash was supossley around 14 years old during the X&Y series. I am sure he wouldn't age quickly but he definitly wouldn't still be 10 for 20 years.
I do not care about animation much but I know many others who do and that includes my 28 years old brother.
The only negative thing about Alola's Ash is he looked different when you compare his looks to all other seasons. Like definitely, people (including me) felt they were no longer watching Ash just because he looked very different and unrecognizable as if someone from the internet was trying to draw a different look from ash (in other words remix of Ash). So, it does not feel natural to see and feel that it is the real Ash. My 28 years brother has completely stopped watching Pokémon (Alola and all the others after Alola, even Horizons) ever since they made the Alolan Ash character design. When I asked my bro. why did you stop watching it? His answer was the reasons I mentioned above. Journeys and all the other versions (except for Alola) (they did not bother me at all or at least most people). I too didn't like how Ash looked in Alola, it did feel weird to me every time I saw him and I wished he looked like the real Ash but I still enjoyed the series for its content.
to be fair, Ash can't be compared to an average 10 year old due to the amount of traumatic and near death experiences he has been through
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When downgrading is the new upgrade.
Ash had consistency towards most of his time in the anime regardless of the artstyle if you actually paid attention.
If you look at his journey he was always progressing:
Gen 1 He was a complete rookie that talked big but knew nothing about being a pokemon trainer and needed to be taught everything.
Gen 2 He becomes a trainer that at the very least knows the basics. But still a bit arrogant for his own good
Gen 3 He is a bit more mature and acts as a mentor figure to May, that just like Ash, has a very similar beginning (seriously, Drew is just the contest version of Gary).
Gen 4 He is already an experienced trainer and it's the first time that he has to face someone with completely different ideals when it comes to training that makes him question his own methods. With both learning the value about each other's training methods at the end.
Gen 5 This one was a soft reboot. But you can easily consider him as an Ash that took some time away from being a trainer after diamond and pearl, and thus, needs to refresh his knowledge after going back to pokemon battles.
Gen 6. He is back on track and aiming to win more than ever. But that's exactly what turns into a problem because he became too eager to win and didn't take things calmly. Specially when he sees other trainers like Sawyer catching up to him or even beating gyms first than him.
Gen 7 He remembers why he likes to be a Pokemon trainer in the first place. He is an experienced trainer but and this time he has his mind in the right place and ends up winning the league.
Gen 8 It's literally a culmination of everything he learned and him looking back on his entire journey.
And this isn't the only example. Looking a bit earlier during his victory in the Alola league:
You can see how the final battle for the champion title was set up to be a reflection of entire journey up until that point and avenge his previous league defeats.
Indigo: Squirtle is ruled to be knocked out after getting hit with sleep powder and Charizard refuses to fight by taking a nap. Alola: Rowlet is ruled to be still able to fight since it fell asleep instead of being knocked out.
Johto: Ash's Fire type starter Charizard loses to another trainer's fully evolved fire-type starter Blaziken. Alola: Ash defeats a fully evolved fire-type starter Incineroar with his own fire type starter Torracat.
Hoenn: Ash loses to an unevolved Meowth wearing clothes (that had a rivalry with his final form that wanted to make him get stronger). Alola: Ash wins with an unevolved Pokemon wearing clothes (Rowlet) and also had a rivalry with Decidueye.
Sinnoh: Ash loses to a trainer using a legendary and a mythical. Alola: Ash catches Naganadel and Melmetal and defeats two legendaries during the league: Sivally and Tapu Koko. With one of them being based on a mythical pokemon from gen 4.
Unova: Ash loses to Cameron when the latter's Riolu evolves into Lucario in the middle of the match and defeats his remaining team. Alola: Ash defeats a Lucario without losing a single Pokemon. Also, Torracat evolves AFTER defeating Incineroar so the evolution doesn't feel like the plot armor that Cameron got in that moment and more as the culmination of Torracat's efforts.
Kalos: Ash loses to a trainer with a fully evolved fire starter that stumbles briefly before standing while Greninja goes down to a Blast Burn. Alola: Torracat not only absorbs a Blast Burn; but after his final clash with Incineroar, he stumbles briefly before standing while Incineroar goes down.
The Alola league was the longest of all leagues and it was great thanks to the fact that you actually got to know Ash as a character a lot through the years.
(Fun fact/Side note: Lillie's battle againts Gladion was based in an actual strategy from competitive for Alolan Vulpix. They really did their research). And as you can see, it also had a lot of cool things to notice as well like this ones.
As you can tell his portrayal in the anime does has consistency.
Ash's character development was consistent and meaningful until diamond and pearl and even suited fillers. In black and white, it looked like he was a new trainer with zero knowledge and since XY they mind his past. I accept past characters and Pokemon returned in journeys but that doesn't change the fact that Ash was not as immature as in journeys in dp or hoen.
Reseting his growth really killed the show for me
I think XY should have really focused in and dove far into Ash’s character and concluded his story. I appreciated Sun and Moon’s originality, so much so that I think they should have introduced a new character and revamped the idea of a 10 year old exploring the series. They could have had Ash come back in episodes throughout the series with his Pikachu and Ash-Greninja in order to further train and take on the Battle Royal at the end of the story. Perhaps they could have introduced Leeko here and Ash sort of being a mentor figure with him teaching the protagonist about Z-Moves showing off his Ash-Pikachu Z powered attack as an alternative to the Battle Royal storyline. They seriously watered down and ruined Ash as a character with having him lose progress and growth to fit a narrative? We could have went ALL OUT in XY. This would have also boosted the merchandise sales as well as the show rates from old time fans. I myself and a lot of fans would have went into Sun and Moon even more hype craving more seeing our main protagonist retire as a MC and pass on the mantle.
The funny thing is, Ash basically took over the role of Elio/Selene from the games, who just move to Alola from Kanto. That being said, I do really enjoy the SM anime and appriciate the lighter tone and animation style. It wasn't trying to be a shounen action anime most of the time, it was trying to be a slice of life in the Pokemon world, and it worked
The idea of XY concluding Ash’s story and a different character taking his place in SM works well! I’m not sure how it would’ve been received, but as a 20th season/20-year special it was a good time for the switch.
IMO, Journeys was the best portrayal of Ash since DP. He still had his really dumb moments, but Journeys felt like the perfect blend of all of Ash’s previous arcs in terms of design, maturity, & battling skills.
I can understand why they made the change in SM & I’m on the side that feels the change fit better with the themes and tones, but I will agree that the show went too far with the whole “making him a 10 year old” since there were some episodes where he seemed more like DBS Goku than an actual kid.
The problem is what became before SM, XY Ash was peak of his skills and design.
Except way more immature
but changing the art to make him look more like a 10-year-old boy at that point is pointless, when I started watching I thought that it's a memory or something, after so much episodes, people were used to Ash as he is, what's done is done, it's a stupid change IMO.
After XY / XYZ they’re realized they have to screw up the entire anime making it for 5 year old kids, the art style is not the thing, the thing is they kept ash as he was 10 years old and made her personality more childish. I feel like a 2 year old watching it, even battles feel awful starting sm and after in journeys. New art styles could be better and more detailed but battles and dialogues are really dumb
It changed according to games as I know 😮
sun and moon is freedom
The Art Style is fine but the Charakter change was bad. This Charakter Ash could had for the OG series when he didn't has any experience this could be even better for his Charakter devolpment but to say that he didn't behalf Like a 10 year old and ignore hundreds of episodes was just wrong.
I feel like they just got lazy with the art style or something. they should have just changed his clothes a bit in sun and moon and kept the XY art style. I feel like all the older styles up to XY are similar and XY is just the upgraded version of the the old ones are and Sun and moon is just something else. the XY art style was perfect
Imo Pokemon should take a Dragon Ball Super Broly or current One Piece animation style. Like they could have the original character designs or designs closer to the OG designs while having fluent animation.
thats why people are makiing ash grow in their au when he becomes champion he is 16 in alola and 17 in journeys
Honestly I get Ash is supposed to be ten and the need to make him more child-like, but I actually liked how mature and serious ash was with the shonen art style. It meant that despite being 10 he was still growing up mentally, something that was consistent from the original series all the way to XY (even with the idiot phase Ash went through in unova, he still sounded fairly mature). It also kept Ash's appearance mostly consistent with how he looked from day one if u think about it
In Sun and Moon, yeah I didn't really care about the art style much but it definitely looked like they aged ash down too much and at first glance I barely even recognised him. I know he's a kid but he sounded even more childish than the original series and that just didn't sit well with me. Journeys didn't help with that despite the slightly better art style. Heck, Ash practically yelled commands in battle more than just straight up give them, and the way he tried to explain things half the time, I was like "and he's supposed to be a mentor with such BS explanations"? And let's not forget the episode where drizzile evolved which had Ash look for data on the floor. ON THE FLOOR!! That's not just being childish, that is absolutely STUPID!
I don't care much about the change in art style, but the complete overhaul and regression of Ash's personality was absolutely unacceptable
They didn’t age ash down they just made him act like his actual age. Guys hes fucking ten years old, think to how you or anybody you know acted when they were ten. Did they act like a fucking 17 year old, no. Also he still had his same experience from xy to Alola if not more, didn’t he win the Alola league and the PWC. No matter what style he’s still the trainer we know and has all the experience that he has developed over the years. Also the art switch was a good idea cause xy looked like a cringy ass anime like Naruto or one piece or something like that and I think Pokémon realized that so they changed it up. Idk but xy just didn’t feel like a kids show with that artstyle and just the way the show was in general, it all felt like they forgot what the target audience for the show was
@@captain8051 ash had the original series to act his age. After that he needed to mature and grow up. Mentality wise he was TOO childish, even more so than his beginner days
And that's kinda the point of XY. To do away with a lot of the kids elements and get serious along with Ash who NEEDED to be after his disgraceful run in unova. The whole kids show argument doesn't even hold up anymore considering kids aren't the only audiences now
@@eljordinio7647bro he’s a ten year old tho, tell me right now how did you act like when you were ten. We’re you a planesoul with no personality like ash cause your acting like him being boring and lifeless is normal
@@captain8051 this isn't about me, this is about a character who we've been following for 25 darn years. A character who is perpetually stuck at a young age just for the lame excuse of appealing to kids
Who says being serious and mature means no personality? That's one of the most BS arguments I've heard
Like Aura said, they could have easily found a way to balance the mature and goofy side in Sun and Moon but they chose not to
bro your logic sucks ass. He should appeal to kids cause this is a FUCKING KIDS SHOW. Why would they appeal to adults when that’s not there target audience. Also like he said in the video because of ashes xy character the filler was boring and he wasn’t funny at all, he just felt like a dad who is always trying to give life lessons or some shit. Also the way he acted in journeys shouldn’t be a factor in the sm stuff cause he was clearly smarter in sm and somehow got dumber in journeys. Stop being biased all the time for xy cause it’s not getting you anywhere
It does not help that XY is out of all versions of Ash the most cool and grown-looking version of him. This means they couldn't have picked a time with more whiplash to do this hard turn. To add salt to injury, they had robbed him of his champion title for the second time (first being the DP days), then proceeded to make him win the most worthless and gag-filled league in Alola. Needless to say, I favor XY.
I however did hear once somebody say Ash is deceptively good with his move choices in Alola despite the childish style, and by comparison XY Ash did still at least once throw a thunderbolt vs a ground type. Also to be fair, neither Alola nor Kalos disrupt Ash's consistency, Unova Ash did. Everything up to the end of DP was consistent and he got dumbed down for BW. I'd say Kalos Ash perphaps slightly overcorrected the course, and then Alola Ash tried to overcorrect in a different direction, and it just was not gonna work out. Independently on who is right, the character's consistency just could not remain consistent for that long (not in a story with continuity and progression at least).
Okay like how was XYZ ash boring and stiff I mean ash was child like back in the begining of gen 1 so I don't even know what that writer is on about he must be high.
That doesn't even answer all of our questions is why the art style was changed in the first place.
For the tone SM was going for, the art style change made sense. The excuse being they wanted Ash to be more child-like wasn't the best though. 😅
xy is my favorite series of pokemon i wish keep that version of ash in some way in sun and moon but it is what it is
This is why Ash not aging is messing with his personality, obviously the anime is focused on kids, but for older viewers this will confused them.
Ash has become one of the strongest trainer and he has been through a long journey, so he already have some improvements in the XY anime. Character design change is fine by me, but don't mess up with his personality.
This is why kids are not actually developing mind wise. When I was a kid I looked up to ash thru all of his phases! Because he started maturing and getting stronger as a trainer, I to wanted to become stronger and more mature which I think is helpful in life ahead. Yeah kids do silly things but what can they get out of the new ash? Sure! be a kid, have fun, but the whole part of being 10? Is feeling cool and awesome because you hit double digits! A big kid now! Ash to me was that big kid. Now he's more like a 7-8 year old not a 10 year old...
My rant is done...for now 😅
JN ash is the best version of ash
I LIKE THE ORIGINAL ART STYLE
There is no good reason behind the change only Good reasons for the changes being dumb lol
I think xy ash is ash should be if ash age like 16 or 20 years old
Xyz is the best
Honestly I see both sides of the argument and love both x and y and sun and moon for different reasons but I will say i personally find ash’s personality shift from black and white to x and y to be just as weird and sudden as what it was from x and y to sun and moon so it didn’t really bother me that much when it happened in sun and moon. But as much as I love x y and sun and moon I will say a major criticism I have is that in x y they went over bored in making ash mature and in sun and moon they went over bored in making him childish
Ash needed to be mature for once
Sun and Moon, yeah they went overboard with the childish side
Definitely a big mistake! The writers reasoning for the art change was just a BS excuse just to be more lazy. Themes have nothing to do with artstyle What makes a character great is how they're developed, not how relatable they are for someone the same age. They were being lazy, and they use the whole 10-year old crap to cover it up!
I LIKE THE XYZ ART STYLE
😂 this is the same guy who thought a compurer virus is a biological one yeah...ash is no tech genius
Yeah but he at least knew what data was lol
@backwurds9195 well it's computer data which ash thought it's real 😂
i always thought they changed the animation to match his age or whatever put i still prefer xy animation but sun and moon was pretty good
I still gonna said that wasn't a enough reason to change the art style, instead of making ash is past days like never happened, thay should make ash is age two or three years older,I mean thay did a summer party in kanto and summer camp in sinnow and Kalos
To me, a mature kid character is far far away from what Kalos Ash was written like, he should be more like Lilo from Lilo and Stich, maturity should not take away softness moments.
Honestly, while both sides make valid points, I feel like a lot of these problems could be solved or explained or fixed...
...if they just *LET THE BOY AGE!!!*
Ugly not my ash anymore 😢
Ash in Sun and moon is just ugly
Who allowed this ?
It really runined the series for me
I really thought they downgraded because they spent their budget on XY lol
In every other series Ash looks cool