@@destindude1978 Its a fairly simple chain of events taking place in late 92 to early 93. * Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog- SummerSlam * Ric Flair vs. Bret Hart in Saskatoon * Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels- Survivor Series * Ric Flair vs. Mr. Perfect - Raw January '93
November 13, 1991 in New Haven, CT was the first time these two ever wrestled and I was on the 7th row. I was 12 and even my Dad, who is not a wrestling fan, was entertained by the match and thought it was by far the best of the night. It is a blessing Ric has this channel, love the stories.
Eric Bischoff is who ruined the 98 WCW match between Flair and Hart according to Ric. Bischoff pretty much wanted it to be a squash win for Bret Hart in less than 8 minutes. Which was one of the reasons why Flair stated that Eric Bischoff was more toxic to his career than Jim Heard.
Huge respect to Ric for commenting on this. Bret was pissed that he couldn't do a match beyond the scope of his formula (as he wrote in his book) and felt like he was sandbagging or sticking to a rigid routine. To know that Ric was hurting opens everything up. This guy is the GOAT in the eyes of millions and dozens of wrestlers and his stamina is legendary. It's a shame he wasn't 100% for those matches. Hart vs Flair was still amazing (because both guys are phenomenal) but it could've been more. Bret is easily the GOAT in my eyes but things make a lot more sense after hearing Ric give his side. Dude is a legend.
Imagine if he had actually sucked up his pride and told Bret? The thing is Ric likely stuck to his tricks because it was easier, it’s muscle memory, maybe with more discussion, They could have worked something else out.
It was October of '92 in Canada. As an 8 yr old, decades before RUclips, I could NOT wait for this to come out on Coliseum video, as this happened at a house show.
@Rodney Depp, @ the time, even with those matches, I didn’t consider Hart a top guy, tho. Good mid-carder @ best. He was below average on the mic, but made up for his lack of yap with his superior skills in the ring. It wasn’t until he and HBK had that match in the Richfield Coliseum @ SS ‘92 “Champion vs. Champion” (an underrated match, imo) I saw this guy was for real.
I grew up about 2 hours northeast of Saskatoon, read about the title change in the Star Phoenix the next day. I hadn't even known they were in town. I doubt my parents would have taken me or let my older brother take me to see it considering it was a school night (not to mention Thanksgiving, though we'd probably celebrated that the night before), but I've been kicking myself for 30 years that it happened so close to home and I wasn't there. I was a teenager and smart enough to know what wrestling really was, so even if I'd known they were in Saskatoon that night I'd never have thought in a million years they'd do a title change at a house show in dinky little Saskatoon of all places. Anyway, I've thought about this a lot.
As an 8 yr old I thought Ric losing to Bret was the greatest thing in the world. There were lots of kids who were elated. You also had a great match that day to an 8 yr old. It's not about the cartwheels, it's about the memories for what it's worth Ric!
No there wasn't a lot of kids elated about it. I understand you were and I respect that but I remember clearly when he'd come out he barely got an applause he just wasn't a draw
October 12th 1992 Brett The Hitman Hart won the world wrestling federation championship in Saskatchewan. 1993 Ric flair lost to Mr perfect the night after the Royal rumble and a loser leaves match Please adjust podcast title from 93 to 92
They could have done two things with that flare versus Hitman for the title either make it a special Saturday night's main event or wait until survivor series. That TV taping was so lacklustered
@@attiepollard7847 it was because flair has a ear problem that threw his equilibrium off badly. Because he had a match with Warrior and miscalculated a press slam on him
I gotta say I’m very impressed with Conrad on this one. For a southern boy to manage to get out Saskatoon Saskatchewan that close to correct is incredibly impressive. That’s not a knock on people with a southern accent, Saskatchewan is a native Cree word, That screws up almost everybody. Great video fantastic topic and again well done to Conrad. Yeah, I’m from Saskatchewan, And I see you said it just fine.
I heard Jesse Ventura state that it was him that put him over to the top executives to help Bischoff get the top job position. See Jesse Ventura shoots on Eric Bischoff on You tube
I just watched that match. It was fabulous. It was so great to see Flair wrestling another technician. The matches where Ric goes against muscle-heads like Sting, Luger, Hogan, Magnum T.A., etc. got a bit stale for me. Flair & Hart exchanging holds & reversals was really fantastic. Also amazing to see a clean finish. One of Flair's best matches in my opinion. Bret brings out the best in opponents... especially incredible considering Flair wasn't even healthy.
I never understood why it wasn't televised and was on a VHS release. I actually saw Dusty Rhoades on a VHS tape before he showed up on TV as well. Crazy how that works.
@@enmijorreos they choose where/when it happens though. They chose to do it at a house show instead of on regular TV or waiting for a PPV (which was a month and a half away at that point). That's the surprising part.
It's amazing how much clarity he still has. From his living-the-gimmick persona, to his life-threatening (and career-threatening) injuries, to his many years of working the ring, you'd expect him to be a jumbled mess. Instead he still has his wits about him. What a tough, legendary man!
I honestly thought if felt weird seeing bret beating flair since brets run as a tag team guy n i.c guy was still fresh in my mind. I saw bret more like a i.c champ type. It took a while for me to take bret seriously. I did after mania 10
This title switch was the right idea, it was just terrible execution (no pun intended). The face ALWAYS got a grand stage to make an impact and then suddenly Bret wins and it happens in the middle of nowhere. Talk about being set up for failure. "Oh, but we made our money on house shows!" - PPV's were already an established commodity. In 1991, they came up with a lame Tuesday Night In Texas...how about the same thing in Saskatoon?
Hogan came back in February so Vince should have held on for Hogan Flair at Wrestlemania. Ric could have replaced Money Inc in the Brutus angle to set up the big match and leave after the event. The timing given what happened was odd.
It was Bret's performance against Davey boy at summer slam plus the steroid scandal that got the belt on him. As for flair, they felt they went as far as they could as far as they could at the time.
He was great wasn't he? RIP Rock. In all honesty though, things changed in a big way when Bischoff did eventually fire Ole, Bockwinkle and Gagne after Bash at the Beach 94. Unfortunately, it was for the worst. That's when everyone found out that Eric was sponging ideas off of people like Greg Gagne and others. Unfortunately, it was already too late. Bischoff was in total control and those three were not there to be a part of creative anymore and bail him out of trouble when the Hulkamania/Macho Madness train derailed in 95.
Such a questionable decision to go younger and get rid of Flair and relegate Savage to an announcer. It would’ve been way better if they could’ve integrated Flair and Savage with the new generation
@@attiepollard7847 Yep. His contract was running out, he was still the most famous wrestler on the planet, and they had the tour of Europe in front of them.
Well, I aint much for day, especially in later years but he can still have an opinion even if he never has wrestled? It doesnt mean that you have to read his words as gospel? And yes, a lot of times it seems like he just make stuff up, but he has always got a lot of news from the boys and people within the company. But I think they have fed him bullshit a lot of times.
Yeah I wonder why Vince didn't just go with Taker vs Flair instead of Bret. Then Taker vs Kamala at Survivor Series 92 in a coffin match ⚰️ for the title.
Ric & Brett where my 2 favourite wrestlers as a kid. Was hard to watch my 2 favourite wrestlers fight but loved every minute of it!!
Bret not Brett...your favorite wrestler and all...
Bret, Flair, and Savage are my favorites. They were all well rounded, and around the same size...smaller than Hogan and Warrior.
It was 1992 that Ric dropped the title to Bret since Ric left WWE in January 1993.
Yeah it's amazing how much they actually get wrong lol
@@destindude1978 Its a fairly simple chain of events taking place in late 92 to early 93.
* Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog- SummerSlam
* Ric Flair vs. Bret Hart in Saskatoon
* Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels- Survivor Series
* Ric Flair vs. Mr. Perfect - Raw January '93
@@joemckim1183 okay so what's your point and why are you telling me this?
@@destindude1978 Just pointing out how easy it's to keep a timeline of the events of that time.
@@joemckim1183 I don't have to I remember them I watched them as they happened
November 13, 1991 in New Haven, CT was the first time these two ever wrestled and I was on the 7th row. I was 12 and even my Dad, who is not a wrestling fan, was entertained by the match and thought it was by far the best of the night. It is a blessing Ric has this channel, love the stories.
Yeah, Flair won by a count out for sure. Interesting to hear Bret’s take, never heard that before.
I don't understand why Bret and Ric both dislike their matches with each other. I loved this match and especially the 1998 WCW match.
If I'm not mistaken that was Bret's first WCW match, an underrated gem indeed.
They are perfectionists.
Because the both believe the other has a 'set match'
Eric Bischoff is who ruined the 98 WCW match between Flair and Hart according to Ric. Bischoff pretty much wanted it to be a squash win for Bret Hart in less than 8 minutes. Which was one of the reasons why Flair stated that Eric Bischoff was more toxic to his career than Jim Heard.
They both kinda do@@jonjohnson1978.
Bret is the 🐐
Thanks for the video, RIC FLAIR
Huge respect to Ric for commenting on this. Bret was pissed that he couldn't do a match beyond the scope of his formula (as he wrote in his book) and felt like he was sandbagging or sticking to a rigid routine. To know that Ric was hurting opens everything up. This guy is the GOAT in the eyes of millions and dozens of wrestlers and his stamina is legendary. It's a shame he wasn't 100% for those matches.
Hart vs Flair was still amazing (because both guys are phenomenal) but it could've been more. Bret is easily the GOAT in my eyes but things make a lot more sense after hearing Ric give his side.
Dude is a legend.
Imagine if he had actually sucked up his pride and told Bret? The thing is Ric likely stuck to his tricks because it was easier, it’s muscle memory, maybe with more discussion, They could have worked something else out.
It was October of '92 in Canada. As an 8 yr old, decades before RUclips, I could NOT wait for this to come out on Coliseum video, as this happened at a house show.
When it happened, I was like, “Wth!? Bret Hart, tho?” Then he went in a tear in the federation. Memorable times.
@Rodney Depp, @ the time, even with those matches, I didn’t consider Hart a top guy, tho. Good mid-carder @ best. He was below average on the mic, but made up for his lack of yap with his superior skills in the ring. It wasn’t until he and HBK had that match in the Richfield Coliseum @ SS ‘92 “Champion vs. Champion” (an underrated match, imo) I saw this guy was for real.
Went on a tear? The company almost died with him on top.
@@RG-lr4pk. It only survived because of him on top, the clique was killing them
I was at the show when Bret won, it was great to watch Rick live …the crowd loved how he sold everything
I grew up about 2 hours northeast of Saskatoon, read about the title change in the Star Phoenix the next day. I hadn't even known they were in town. I doubt my parents would have taken me or let my older brother take me to see it considering it was a school night (not to mention Thanksgiving, though we'd probably celebrated that the night before), but I've been kicking myself for 30 years that it happened so close to home and I wasn't there. I was a teenager and smart enough to know what wrestling really was, so even if I'd known they were in Saskatoon that night I'd never have thought in a million years they'd do a title change at a house show in dinky little Saskatoon of all places. Anyway, I've thought about this a lot.
Ric Flair & Bret Hart should have had many more matches.
They had a few in WCW
Yeah though they should have been world title bouts and better planned.
As an 8 yr old I thought Ric losing to Bret was the greatest thing in the world. There were lots of kids who were elated. You also had a great match that day to an 8 yr old. It's not about the cartwheels, it's about the memories for what it's worth Ric!
No there wasn't a lot of kids elated about it. I understand you were and I respect that but I remember clearly when he'd come out he barely got an applause he just wasn't a draw
@@ianmeadows8719 maybe not in your area but in the bay area he was a big deal at the time. I respect your experience but this was mine!
@@ianmeadows8719 Bret was a draw for years shut up liar
@@hihaters2004 lol no he wasn't dumbass
@@hihaters2004 all you have to do is bring up their financial stats from then it's a known fact
in Saskatoon, Canada in 1992 Oct. 12th not 1993 like in the headline wrongly written.
I seen both of those on vhs really exciting high energy matches
October 12th 1992 Brett The Hitman Hart won the world wrestling federation championship in Saskatchewan.
1993 Ric flair lost to Mr perfect the night after the Royal rumble and a loser leaves match
Please adjust podcast title from 93 to 92
They could have done two things with that flare versus Hitman for the title either make it a special Saturday night's main event or wait until survivor series. That TV taping was so lacklustered
@@attiepollard7847 it was because flair has a ear problem that threw his equilibrium off badly. Because he had a match with Warrior and miscalculated a press slam on him
@@kevinreith2003 now what was the timeline between that warrior match and Ric flair dropping the belt to Hitman?
@@attiepollard7847 8 days
I gotta say I’m very impressed with Conrad on this one. For a southern boy to manage to get out Saskatoon Saskatchewan that close to correct is incredibly impressive. That’s not a knock on people with a southern accent, Saskatchewan is a native Cree word, That screws up almost everybody. Great video fantastic topic and again well done to Conrad. Yeah, I’m from Saskatchewan, And I see you said it just fine.
Every time I hear Cree I think of Iron Maiden 🤘🏻
I have not seen many wrestling shows live since I live in Saskatoon. However I was there live when hit man beat him for the title.
I heard Jesse Ventura state that it was him that put him over to the top executives to help Bischoff get the top job position. See Jesse Ventura shoots on Eric Bischoff on You tube
Didn't it happen in Oct 1992?
That’s what I thought
Yes definitely 1992
Yes the person who archived the video probably doesn’t realize that.
I just watched that match. It was fabulous. It was so great to see Flair wrestling another technician. The matches where Ric goes against muscle-heads like Sting, Luger, Hogan, Magnum T.A., etc. got a bit stale for me. Flair & Hart exchanging holds & reversals was really fantastic. Also amazing to see a clean finish. One of Flair's best matches in my opinion. Bret brings out the best in opponents... especially incredible considering Flair wasn't even healthy.
I never understood why it wasn't televised and was on a VHS release. I actually saw Dusty Rhoades on a VHS tape before he showed up on TV as well. Crazy how that works.
Because it was a house show.. House shows weren't televised back then
@@enmijorreos they choose where/when it happens though. They chose to do it at a house show instead of on regular TV or waiting for a PPV (which was a month and a half away at that point). That's the surprising part.
I love flair he has lived some life
Bret The Goat
Bret The Crybaby
@@MrNWA4Life true but he still the 🐐
Goat's ass..
It was 92 but whose counting
Why does it say '93 when Bret beat him in '92? Small erroneous detail, but also something that could've been easily avoided.
The wrestling with memories podcast covers this period so well.
This was in 1992 not 1993
Both are 🐐 🐐
Correction it was October 12th 1992 people should do there homework more 🙄
Bro Flair dropped the belt to Hart 10/12/1992, Flair left in January 1993 after loser leaves town vs Perfect on RAW.
You made the way to legend like BRET HART!!!!! Wooow that's explains how great ric flair is
Lyods of London like you to pay the big premiums but when it's time to cash out when your health is in jeopardy they stiff you on the payback
Didn’t they stop working with pro wrestlers altogether?
1992 it was Dropped. Hitman deserved better on tv... man was he one of the best ever to watch in the ring! GOAT
Rock on Nature Boy.
It's amazing how much clarity he still has. From his living-the-gimmick persona, to his life-threatening (and career-threatening) injuries, to his many years of working the ring, you'd expect him to be a jumbled mess. Instead he still has his wits about him. What a tough, legendary man!
It was 1992, but close enough.
They should of saved this match for Royal Rumble 1993 or Wrestlemania IX
1992 change it Conrad
1992 Conrad
Idk I was still dead then
@@Y.Jaymovemusic 🤦🏽🤣
I honestly thought if felt weird seeing bret beating flair since brets run as a tag team guy n i.c guy was still fresh in my mind. I saw bret more like a i.c champ type. It took a while for me to take bret seriously. I did after mania 10
I dont believe Flair at all about Flair not collecting the 750 thousand.....thats a big lie
Didn’t ric work survivor series?
I thought the title was dropped to Bret in 1992, not 1993. That is what I remember. Flair left WWF in January 1993.
1992 not 1993
He lost to Bret in 92, not 93. SMH.
This title switch was the right idea, it was just terrible execution (no pun intended). The face ALWAYS got a grand stage to make an impact and then suddenly Bret wins and it happens in the middle of nowhere. Talk about being set up for failure. "Oh, but we made our money on house shows!" - PPV's were already an established commodity. In 1991, they came up with a lame Tuesday Night In Texas...how about the same thing in Saskatoon?
It was 1992 ??
Sadly I was never able to see that match or watch any of flair's matches while he was in wwf.
Hogan came back in February so Vince should have held on for Hogan Flair at Wrestlemania. Ric could have replaced Money Inc in the Brutus angle to set up the big match and leave after the event. The timing given what happened was odd.
Would have been nice to have that match without title implications too.
@@johnepants Exactly!
i don't know how these people remember stuff from 25 years ago
You mean 1992
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Flair lost title in 1992 to Bret
1992. Ek cetera, ek cetera.
Vertigo is about the alignment of crystals in one's ear. Once they fall back into place, it's gone.
Bret Hart 🤟
Best there was
Best there is
Best there ever be
At crying
Ehhhh ladies!! I'm from Saskatchatooooooon!! - Grown Ups
NC Wooooo!
'92
Ric's style did not suit the WWF at that time, he pretty much has the same match every night and everyone was larger than life
It was Bret's performance against Davey boy at summer slam plus the steroid scandal that got the belt on him.
As for flair, they felt they went as far as they could as far as they could at the time.
You have watched very few matches of Flair then. Watch Flair vs Steamboat then watch Flair vs Brody and tell me they are the same match.
Flair's personality was larger than life also .
@@popmonika but also they ushering a new era
@@popmonika would it have really hurt them to make this a survivor series pay-per-view match?
Why the heck do people keep refering to the pre John Cena era as "WWE"??!!!??!! Anything before 2002 it's World Wrestling FEDERATION!!!!!
Ole Anderson was a miserable man
He was great wasn't he? RIP Rock.
In all honesty though, things changed in a big way when Bischoff did eventually fire Ole, Bockwinkle and Gagne after Bash at the Beach 94. Unfortunately, it was for the worst. That's when everyone found out that Eric was sponging ideas off of people like Greg Gagne and others. Unfortunately, it was already too late. Bischoff was in total control and those three were not there to be a part of creative anymore and bail him out of trouble when the Hulkamania/Macho Madness train derailed in 95.
*92
Go Bret!
Too bad it happened in 1992. 🤷♂️
i think ric flair should of dropped the title to the warrior then warrior drops the belt to bret hart at wrestlemania 9
Meltzer Said🙄
1992!
Brett Hart was only made the top guy because of the steroid scandal
Such a questionable decision to go younger and get rid of Flair and relegate Savage to an announcer. It would’ve been way better if they could’ve integrated Flair and Savage with the new generation
Bret vs Savage did feel like a program where there was money somewhere, even if Vince wasn't keen on face vs face post Mania VI
@@rdtworld9720 which is strange, since Bret spent most of 1992 wrestling fellow babyfaces in legendary matches
I thought the match wasn't that bad, maybe Brett was that good or Idk. I remember it being better than this though.
Ric wouldn't lace brets boots legitimately ric cared about ric bret cared about wrestling end of story
Damn
Why didn't Flair have the loser leave match against Perfect at the Royal Rumble? That still irks me
Hogan and savage would have tore him up he's lucky he never had to face then especially since they both had pull with McMahon
uhhhh 92?
It was 92
1992
Erm 1992 cough cough.....
i liked his old show better with mad dog
I'm sure there are a few lies in this video including the fact that it happened in 1992
Yeah sure Ric. Vince went so much younger by putting over that young up and comer Hulk Hogan to close wrestlemania.
I mean, once you get past the three month run by Hulk, he did… and for years…
@@benjamin29471 plus it's hulk Hogan you got to get as much money out of him as possible in 1993.
@@attiepollard7847 Yep. His contract was running out, he was still the most famous wrestler on the planet, and they had the tour of Europe in front of them.
Ric made Eric
He dropped it in 1992....lol
Shoulda been a PPV with build up 🤔
Huh meltzer he has a lot to say about wrestling wrestlers dave meltzers never even wrestled a donkey
Well, I aint much for day, especially in later years but he can still have an opinion even if he never has wrestled? It doesnt mean that you have to read his words as gospel?
And yes, a lot of times it seems like he just make stuff up, but he has always got a lot of news from the boys and people within the company. But I think they have fed him bullshit a lot of times.
Must have stung ric giving up the belt to a real wrestler
Okay...WWE homer. I suppose you think Sting is a phony baloney...too?
Yeah I wonder why Vince didn't just go with Taker vs Flair instead of Bret. Then Taker vs Kamala at Survivor Series 92 in a coffin match ⚰️ for the title.
Bret was so overrated. small, only had 5 movies with the same comeback in every match, and couldn't talk. ZZZzzzz
Bollocks
You can’t even construct a proper sentence. Shoosh.
by this time wrestling was already dead and meant basicly nothing
Rick is senile
The hitman is not on flair level
I know Ric is old but it was 92 not 93 lol
I remember that very well.
2:11 "Meltzuh Meltzuh" Conrad never has an original thought or opinion. Meltzers Soap Boy 🧼 Slumlord salesman
He dropped the WWF title. Didn't become WWE for another 10 years.
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