DONT DO THIS IN TURKEY 🇹🇷AMERICAN Scariest Travel Day

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @TeslaDo
    @TeslaDo 3 года назад +916

    The military personnel was very gentle to you actually. If you fly over a compound in US, you can be shot or teased by a gun.

    • @wrtyiw1508
      @wrtyiw1508 3 года назад +33

      Hahaha u r right! 🤣

    • @powasjington4262
      @powasjington4262 3 года назад +134

      I noticed that when the Turkish police talk to me they seemed just like any other Turk only they were working as police. American police seem like Robo-Cops or Terminators or something.

    • @enesbinay8277
      @enesbinay8277 3 года назад +5

      @Po Wasjington dude, how do you know that? 😅

    • @CrimsonLair
      @CrimsonLair 3 года назад +15

      Yeah in the US the cops first shoot you and then put a handcuffs on you

    • @osmanburak9913
      @osmanburak9913 2 года назад +22

      I agree. If you do same thing in Usa, they don’t release you before at least couple days. You can’t take the picture or video of any military places in any country.

  • @mehmetoguzturan
    @mehmetoguzturan 3 года назад +703

    This is one of the most touristic areas in Turkey and there have been some terrorist attacks in previous years. Therefore, you cannot fly drones in these areas without permission for everyone's safety.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +42

      Yea i know! But the cops said i could hahaha

    • @mehmetoguzturan
      @mehmetoguzturan 3 года назад +100

      Probably, they didn't understand because most of them don't know English. I think they pretended to understand and just said something :)

    • @mcdsvrn2561
      @mcdsvrn2561 3 года назад +4

      @@mehmetoguzturan that is true but these are police and should be aware everything and they should not allowed to anyone. Turkish people don't know abroad, if they know, they will be more careful.

    • @mehmetoguzturan
      @mehmetoguzturan 3 года назад +51

      @@mcdsvrn2561 Ridiculous. Nowhere in the world you can fly drones without permission in tourist areas. Even if a police officer on duty says you can do it, you can't if you simply use your mind. I know abroad too, don't worry. Nobody has to know English, if you don't want to have problems in the country you visit, just research well before dish on someone.

    • @mcdsvrn2561
      @mcdsvrn2561 3 года назад +1

      @@mehmetoguzturan channel owner shared view of Istanbul, in any conditions should allowed to anyone without permission, and permission should be recorded not in a word between two lips by police officers or anyone. I can see your knowledge about abroad by your comments. Actually, this shows us in Turkey something is easy, in UK or USA or any other European country will not allow this. Even I couldn't take a picture in a museum... Turkey still have democracy more than lots of European countries...
      Who is in charge with security duty in Turkey (military or police), should be more clever and be aware, I see that with this video there is a big gab for malicious people.

  • @justinianthegreat154
    @justinianthegreat154 3 года назад +751

    I‘m Albanian. I have been more than 9 times in Istanbul and believe me , there‘s nothing better than this country and its people. I have visited more than 61 countries in the world but no one can be compared with Turkey (surely in my opinion).
    Greetings and be safe! ✌🏻❤️

    • @russiansoldier7938
      @russiansoldier7938 3 года назад +24

      Albania greeting from Azerbaijan.
      🇦🇱🇹🇷🇦🇿 💪🏻💪🏻🦅🐺

    • @netdude1984
      @netdude1984 3 года назад +13

      The only problem is they hide their women in a basement and go crazy cockblocking if you try to approach a Turkish woman. A pretty crappy society.

    • @justinianthegreat154
      @justinianthegreat154 3 года назад +5

      @@russiansoldier7938 Greetings mate 👍🏻✌🏻❤️

    • @linart25
      @linart25 3 года назад +34

      ​@@netdude1984 You have no clue about Turkish society do you? Here's a lesson: The vast majority, though not all, of Turkish people live by Muslim traditional moral principles and standards that have been there since time immemorial and they are part of the social code of interaction there. And they take that very seriously.
      This is a country that offers great historical and magical touristic sites, amazing food, hospitality, and splendid natural wonders, NOT flings.
      So next time if you have philandering in mind you go to Thailand or Russia, or Eastern Europe. Research before you visit a place...don't be an illiterate clown and embarrass yourself like this.

    • @mervekabul9992
      @mervekabul9992 3 года назад +20

      @@netdude1984 yes sure that's why your women come to turkey to be treated better, to have a better relationship and healthy family. otherwise you sell your women for money... :))

  • @SpectruMetaL
    @SpectruMetaL 3 года назад +248

    Dude, its so okey 😊 As a Turk, I have recorded many times military areas, accidently. We cant see soldiers but they always see us. Its just about security for terrorist attacks. They take you, check your records and if you have any record that showing military base, they will just delete that ones and release you with no problem. In thriller music scene, soldier was talking about wheater, it was funny 😁 they also used to these situations. Please dont offend 😊 have fun.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +32

      I had no idea hahaha

    •  Год назад +3

      😂😂😂 bende çok güldüm oraya

  • @frlatlamba7583
    @frlatlamba7583 3 года назад +396

    there is nothing to be scared of. The cops are just doing their job. For everyone's safety.

    • @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg
      @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg 3 года назад +7

      Some of your cops are very racist and aggressive for no reason

    • @mustafaakkoclar1272
      @mustafaakkoclar1272 3 года назад +22

      @@AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg yes its true. because police became army of erdoğan, if you are opponent they blacklist you and you cant became police even thought take very high points in exams

    • @sanane66543
      @sanane66543 3 года назад +8

      @@AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg lol americans yea turkish? hell na

    • @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg
      @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg 3 года назад +2

      @@sanane66543 I personally experienced it man

    • @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg
      @AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg 3 года назад +1

      @@mustafaakkoclar1272 Yeah i heard about that

  • @mervekabul9992
    @mervekabul9992 3 года назад +141

    Man, you left your career in military. So you know what it would be likee if this was in the US. They just needed to have a record of this situation that's why they invited you to the office. And if you understood Turkish, you would know that the policeman was actually speaking kindly.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +17

      It was still real scary for me

    • @batwoman958
      @batwoman958 3 года назад +1

      Drone uçurmak yasak mi ya ben mi bilmiyorum acaba

    • @CanBonamaVEVO
      @CanBonamaVEVO 3 года назад +10

      @kuvikina cringe

    • @nu6867
      @nu6867 3 года назад +5

      @@DivertLiving it was really scary for you cause u like being over dramatic even on normal things obviously 😂or maybe u r just a coward then i cant blame you for it 😅

    • @oalan
      @oalan 3 года назад +4

      @@batwoman958 yasak tabi özellikle turistlik yerlerde havadaki dronu etkisiz hale getirmek için özel ekipman taşıyan polisler var.

  • @hayatnrenkleri6421
    @hayatnrenkleri6421 3 года назад +263

    Try that recording with a drone above and around Pentagon, then make a new video "Do NOT DO this in USA" :)

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +29

      ON my way there now, be right back

    • @hayatnrenkleri6421
      @hayatnrenkleri6421 3 года назад +4

      @@DivertLiving waauuww... looking forward to see that :)

    • @alicany10
      @alicany10 3 года назад +34

      @@DivertLiving let us know when you get out of jail

    • @hayatnrenkleri6421
      @hayatnrenkleri6421 3 года назад

      @@lzblmvm7113 BANA SORUYORSAN HAYIR... ERKEĞİM...

    • @Tug.
      @Tug. 3 года назад +2

      Do not do this in Ankara :)

  • @ZihniYalcin
    @ZihniYalcin 3 года назад +132

    You weren't flying over a military base!! You were flying over "Topkapi Palace". Palace where Powerful Ottoman Sultans ruled their vast empire for centuries. It is a museum now where the priceless Imperial Treasury and archives are kept (including 86 carat "Spoonmaker's Diamond"). But most importantly, it is home for probably the most important "Islamic Sacred Relics" in the entire world.... One of the most protected places in the world.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +13

      Thanks for letting me know!

    • @costakikis8135
      @costakikis8135 3 года назад +1

      POWERFUL OTTAMONS...YOU MEAN BARBARIANS WHO KILLED MILLIONS OF GREEKS AND THEN YOU TOOK AYIO SOPHIA...WHAT AN INSULT

    • @ZihniYalcin
      @ZihniYalcin 3 года назад +47

      "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." As the great Greek historian Thucydides one said.
      Unfortunately, the world consists of winners and losers. Always has.
      We only have to go back couple of hundred years and the map of the world would be totally different.
      Man it up Costa and instead, let’s try all and make the world a better place to live.
      By the way.....the Death tall at the fall of Constantinople , 4000 Greeks and more than 10000 Turks.

    • @sirhayes6643
      @sirhayes6643 3 года назад +24

      @@costakikis8135 Cry us a river.

    • @Χριστόςανέστη-δ1π
      @Χριστόςανέστη-δ1π 3 года назад +32

      @@costakikis8135 Ottoman Empire had many Greek grandviziers/viziers, How many black vice presidents have US had in it's history?

  • @mad-yordle
    @mad-yordle 3 года назад +20

    Thriller music intensifies as two officers talk about the weather.

  • @motorolaxoom269
    @motorolaxoom269 2 года назад +16

    In Germany we got a fine just for fishing at a river without a license. You fly your huge drone in one of the most crowded cities of the world and you surprise when they caught you. You may be a spy (I believe probably you are), you may hurt someone with your drone and you want to have full freedom while you don't have in your homeland.

  • @tunayapc2919
    @tunayapc2919 3 года назад +270

    Do not worry. Turkish policeman or soldier never harm anyone or won't steal your stuff :) Cheers from Antalya.

    • @mustafaakkoclar1272
      @mustafaakkoclar1272 3 года назад +6

      why did you mention about" they dont harm anyone" ??? they are police officer, not gang.ofc they will not harm anyone obvioulsy inside of your consciousness you belive they are bad and harms people. its so sad

    • @tunayapc2919
      @tunayapc2919 3 года назад +33

      @@mustafaakkoclar1272 While i was watching this video, i felt they were uncomfortable about the police. He recorded a video for his own safety, so I felt like he was nervous or scared of police/soldier. I don't think police are bad or harming people. Don't misjudge me without knowing anything about me.

    • @oneinca
      @oneinca 3 года назад +5

      Did you ever type "Turkish police" on youtube ?

    • @TK-qv4xh
      @TK-qv4xh 3 года назад +33

      @@oneinca Turkish police are A LOT kinder than Australian, French or American police. Believe me, I have experiences with all of them.

    • @qolalite6001
      @qolalite6001 3 года назад +5

      My father got arrested once just cuz he spoke kurdish😐Faşist TC

  • @emre05x
    @emre05x 3 года назад +68

    I'm glad nothing bad happened to you, but on the other side, I'm also glad that our security forces are doing their job. They are not to be joked with.

  • @pnarkaray5200
    @pnarkaray5200 3 года назад +132

    As a Turkish even i had an experience very similar to you. I was studying architecture and needed to take pictures of Taksim Square to draw sketches on it, 2 mins later cops came and deleted all the pictures from my phone, checked my id card and took a picture of it and warned me gently. I understand them very well and i support what they do. It's all for our safe...

    • @NirvanaChell
      @NirvanaChell 2 года назад +9

      Son silinenlerden kurtarabilirsin🙃

    • @alenelevin1757
      @alenelevin1757 2 года назад

      It's a different culture than America.

    • @invoker7826
      @invoker7826 2 года назад

      @@alenelevin1757 It has to do with public security

    • @muhammeterden5142
      @muhammeterden5142 Год назад +3

      @@alenelevin1757 this has nothing to do with culture istanbul is a crowded city and there were terrorist attacks in istanbul in the previous times, that's why it's being watched carefully and trying to ensure security.

    • @fratnehir3958
      @fratnehir3958 6 месяцев назад

      E nasil çalışacak mimarlar oyle saçmalık mi olur? Biz unideyken (eskiden) dersin adi örgütsel davranış. Ders notlarini buluyorlar polisler. Kiz hocasiyla görüştürüyor polisleri de kurtuluyor 😂

  • @abdullahalsakka
    @abdullahalsakka 3 года назад +189

    Man the thriller music while the policemen were just discussing the weather is really funny 😂 but nice video it feels like Season 2 of a series I really like just came out ❤️

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +44

      Well i didnt know it was the weather they were talking about hahaha

    • @nicolefigueroa8973
      @nicolefigueroa8973 3 года назад +9

      hahahahahahah omg this comment

    • @billoothebond
      @billoothebond 2 года назад +1

      Hilarious 😆😆😆

  • @jugoslavnamljidjiu9021
    @jugoslavnamljidjiu9021 3 года назад +36

    You are turist in country that is not yours so you must inform yourself what are the rules, if you have American passport doesn't mean that rules don't valid for you, don't be classic Americano

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +2

      The cops told me i could fly bud

    • @jugoslavnamljidjiu9021
      @jugoslavnamljidjiu9021 3 года назад +1

      @@DivertLiving you are nice guy that's why 😉🙃

    • @kayacenk4164
      @kayacenk4164 3 года назад +6

      @@DivertLiving normaly you need permision for fly drone even Turkish people must to that if using big drone. there no problem with small drones.

    • @waitaminute2015
      @waitaminute2015 3 года назад +7

      Some Americans don't think rules are for them. Amerikkka

    • @highdut6717
      @highdut6717 10 месяцев назад

      @@DivertLivingdon’t come back spy

  • @barsbayram3566
    @barsbayram3566 3 года назад +72

    %99.99 of Turks don't listen to this oriental background music.

  • @lynndixon8481
    @lynndixon8481 3 года назад +34

    I lived in Izmir Turkey for over 2 years (U.S. Military)...my son was born in Adana. The Turkish people are great people...good that you had a Turkish person to help you out.

  • @mertmitm
    @mertmitm 3 года назад +55

    I'm sorry but it's so cool that they can control drones like that 😂 I never knew that smth like that existed

    • @SquirtleCODM
      @SquirtleCODM 3 года назад +19

      Turkey is at the forfront of drone tech, so it only makes sense they also are decent with radars.

  • @piyasayikoklayanadam
    @piyasayikoklayanadam 3 года назад +13

    A bomb exploded in the area where you were shooting in that area before. It is forbidden to fly drones in crowded and touristic areas for national security. The soldiers treated you very well. Turkish soldiers are very kind, smiling and the best soldiers in the world. It would be much worse if you were in another country. Turkish soldiers are very good. It should not see any danger in terms of security. Turkey is a beautiful country, we recommend it to everyone. Safety is important to all of us.

  • @selfproclaimeddead872
    @selfproclaimeddead872 3 года назад +47

    The fact that Turkish polices try to do their job and want to make you not worried about it's nothing serious but a formality is so lovely ( I don't know how do we use formality in english but it's in turkish translated to " formalite " and " formalite" means it's nothing important but you must do it just for obey the laws . For an example ; You're in street and there's someone tried to talk with you and you did . Then he walked a little bit and stole a purse of old lady and disappeared . If the old lady inform police about she saw you and thief together , the police would come and ask you why you were talking with thief . You probably say : " I thought he is a fellow citizen , therefore I didn't suspect anything " . After that police would say : " Okay I gotcha , but you should come with me and we will make a document about that . So it's just for your comfort , because if we do , it will be proof that you're innocent " . Your situation was like that , they took you just because of they are into their job and make a document about you didn't know the rules and you were not a terrorist that tried to make an attack or observation . If you look closely , they were saying the turkish guy in the street that "it's not that big thing but he should come with us for formality. So please translate it " and turkish guy tried to tell that this . I don't think there's no another country that has helpful and emphatic polices as Turkey . Come on, if anybody don't know any european language and did it in Europe , the cop wouldn't try to find a guy that knows your language to communicate with you and make your relax . And if you do it in America, I think they would punch and injure you until they bring you to the police station .

    • @garwhittaker3743
      @garwhittaker3743 2 года назад

      Most European countries have a phone service in police stations that just phoned up and they translate everything for you UK ...But was nice of the bloke .

  • @cautionKFY
    @cautionKFY 3 года назад +48

    this is a security measure that can be experienced in every city...no need to enlarge and dramatize...keep kebab :)

  • @briantravelman
    @briantravelman 2 года назад +22

    Honestly, you probably had it coming, and I assure you, you aren't the first. Ever since those stupid things came out American people think they can just fly them everywhere without any consideration for the safety or convenience of others. These things should be illegal EVERYWHERE.

  • @c-tap5356
    @c-tap5356 3 года назад +30

    18:00 I agree, everybody’s talking about the New York’s pizza, but it’s nothing next to a crunchy charcoal burned 🔥 thin crusty Lahmacun. Delish!

  • @AKLISELiM
    @AKLISELiM 3 года назад +33

    it is nothing just littel excitement for the video. By the way where ever you go in the world dont forget you have restricted areas like that in some countries they will not be as gentle as Turkish authorities.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! The cops told me i could fly haha

  • @hatrez907
    @hatrez907 3 года назад +32

    Very happy it wasn't a really bad experience. It's like a "Now we knoww" kinda experiece :D
    Hope you liked everything else though...

  • @miscellaneous_in
    @miscellaneous_in 3 года назад +50

    I dont think it was a horrible experience for you instead a thrilling one, the kind of story you will tell your grandkids
    And I think the police was doing their job, the drone shots of snow clad Istanbul is amazing, it was brave of you, worth ir

  • @nifushu5758
    @nifushu5758 3 года назад +10

    10:46 First of they talk about the weather and the distance from where they live, then commander asks
    from which police did they get permission? Did they see that cop's ID?
    We don't know if the person he's talking to is the police or not.
    then the other cop tells the drone.
    that's what we saw. we were looking for when the drone was landing. At that time, we could not determine the place that was flown again. We caught it on the second landing. the third cop says "and he got permission he says"

  • @batwoman958
    @batwoman958 3 года назад +45

    For turks; Adamin dronenu havadan bloke etmişler sanirsam ki o yuzden kotu bir çekim yaşamış. Ve drone, askerlerin oldugu alana geldigi icin askerler de acaba bunlar ajan mi diye buyuk ihtimal cektigi şeye bakmak istediler. (Yanlis anladıysam duzeltirsiniz).
    Yani kisaca adamin korkmasi normal, bizimkilerin kontrol etmesi de normal :)

    • @sailingyuvam
      @sailingyuvam 3 года назад +15

      İyide ne malum hakikaten ajan olmadığı :) Şu an İstanbul en fazla yabancı ajanın cirit attığı şehir. Her gezen ajanın alnında Ajan diye yazacak hali yok. Zaten bir Ajan için youtuber olmaktan daha iyi bir kılıf yok sanırım.

    • @karasavan1188
      @karasavan1188 3 года назад +7

      Sultanahmet bölgesi çok önemli bir bölge. Sen git ülkenin en önemli eserlerinin olduğu bölgede drone uçur, iznin var mı yok mu belli olmasın, sonra da laf söyle yok yasaldı da şeydi. Ayrıca o çevrede Beyazıt'ta 2016 yılında bombalı saldırı olmuştu. Sonrasında meydan ve çevre baya bir koruma altına alındı. Böyle hassas bir bölgede yapması sonra da konuşması gerçekten tuhaf, ne bekliyorlardı acaba sanki uçurtma uçuruyorlar.

    • @neige8408
      @neige8408 3 года назад +10

      Olay şu ki; drone uçurduğu bölgede kutsal emanetler gibi önemli şeylerin bulunduğu Topkapı Sarayı'nın koruması askerlerin kontrolündeymiş ve o bölgede drone uçurmak yasakmış. Askerler bir teknolojiyle drone u bloke edip indirmiş sonra da polis ofisine götürmüşler. Bizimkiler görevlerini yapmışlar yani. Adam kötü bir şey söylemiyor, orada saray olduğunu bile bilmiyormuş. Yasallık konusunda da drone uçurmak yasal fakat askeri korunaklı alanda uçurmak yasal değilmiş, biz de bilmeden orada uçurmuşuz ve muhtemelen drone uçurmak için tüm şehrin en korunaklı alanını seçmişiz diyorlar. Askerler ağır silahlarla filan gelince korkmuşlar sadece. Korkmasında askerlerin İngilizce bilmemesi de etkili bence. Anlamıyor sonuçta ne konuştuklarını, dronunu geri alamayacağını falan sanmış. Dislike a abanmaya gerek yok.

    • @batwoman958
      @batwoman958 3 года назад +1

      @@neige8408 benden daha iyi ozetlemissin tesekkurler 🌼💜

    • @batwoman958
      @batwoman958 3 года назад

      @@karasavan1188 bilmiyor olabilir sonuçta turist ben bile bu video ile ogrendim bunu

  • @sinancemgunuvar
    @sinancemgunuvar 3 года назад +4

    These guys are Jandarma units. However, they deal with similar things like police but, they are not. It used to be branch of military. ( You can think like Italian Carabinieri) The guy with two stars on his shoulders who is the superior of the all. He's a first lieutenant. When they were in room, they didnt talk about you at all, they were saying everywhere was covered by snow when he left his house where is "Kağıthane". As lots of terrorist organization using drones for terrorist attacks which came a big issue in Turkey aswell. If you would like to fly drones over places in Turkey there are some requirements like getting permissions and stuff. Note: I can assure you about Jandarma Forces, in turkey if you did nothing wrong you wont be harmed or ripped of as they are not corrupt at all. On the other hand if you do something wrong these are the guys very difficult to deal.

  • @bartycrouchjr.8831
    @bartycrouchjr.8831 2 года назад +5

    After he asked about your hometown and weather, the guy translated what you said to others.
    He says to his chief: We thought we got it down, chief. But after we left, he got it to fly again. We searched everywhere but couldn't find it.
    Then you were taken by the police.
    Nothing to be scared of, Turkish police or soldiers are the kindest ones you could have ever seen in the world.

  • @rcwb2662
    @rcwb2662 3 года назад +9

    Some countries have tourist police that have foreign language interpreters who can intervene when there are misunderstandings like this and hopefully Turkey will one day offer the same courtesy. It's natural to be scared when you don't fluently speak the local language in a situation like you experienced but it's good that you kept calm knowing it was an innocent mistake. In the future, it would be wise to check with the government officials in the area you are visiting before flying your drone and get written permission that you can produce if requested by the authorities. Great video as always!

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +1

      Thank you so much!

    • @riddlediddleriddle
      @riddlediddleriddle 3 года назад +3

      They do have Tourist Police. I've seen them countless time in Taksim Square (where you could see a Military/Polica area across a McDonalds)

    • @Gavinulucan
      @Gavinulucan 2 года назад

      They have tourist polices. This was military. They transfered him to police

  • @sefapepe2073
    @sefapepe2073 3 года назад +6

    drones are mostly prohibited everywhere around the world where there is a no fly zone. in the us ud be sent to jail or in north korea, iran, singapore, china basically somewhere more strict ud be shot. ure lucky, you experienced this in turkey.

  • @jack-uk5tc
    @jack-uk5tc 3 года назад +16

    You should try " muhlama"
    That is crazy food and so good and delicious
    (One of the famous dishes of Trabzon, one of the most beatiful cities in Turkey)

  • @jon-ie4li
    @jon-ie4li 3 года назад +20

    Show Turkey some respect , this is their most respected site.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +5

      I did show respect when i asked the cops if i could fly and they said yes...... Did you not see that part hahaha

    • @diazcastro7331
      @diazcastro7331 3 года назад

      @@DivertLiving don’t pay attention to those who try to hide every negative thing

    • @mervekabul9992
      @mervekabul9992 3 года назад +2

      @@diazcastro7331 what's wrong with you guy? You spread your hate under comments. Calm down

    • @diazcastro7331
      @diazcastro7331 3 года назад

      @@mervekabul9992 I am all over the net

    • @kayacenk4164
      @kayacenk4164 3 года назад

      @@DivertLiving u should just show them you are youtuber person with your phone. then they will stop.

  • @woulinx
    @woulinx 2 года назад +2

    Dude Arma 3 game developers charged with espionage in Greece for the same reason. And they released after 128 days and they give 5.000 € for each man total 10.000 €.

  • @cevdetzurtoglu
    @cevdetzurtoglu 3 года назад +19

    Better to delete the footage of soldiers or at least blur their faces. I am glad you got your drone back .

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +1

      hahahha thank you!

    • @everydayrubbish8962
      @everydayrubbish8962 3 года назад +9

      They wouldn't take your drone, you were in safe hands, sometimes language differences makes things scary

  • @gullldubusra
    @gullldubusra 3 года назад +15

    Don't worry it would be the same for turkish men :)

  • @canemre4725
    @canemre4725 3 года назад +20

    Why the drama? Have you tried to use your drone in Kremlin square? Are drones allowed in Manhattan streets?

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад

      Drama?

    • @canemre4725
      @canemre4725 3 года назад +11

      @@DivertLiving you are an experienced traveller. it should be clear that you cannot fly a drone in a big city especially over the Holy Churches and Mosques. You should expect someone to come! They are doing their job and god you seem a bit afraid! I wish they knew English. In that case It could end up with a fun experience for you. Normally Turkish police are very kind, friendly and helpful to tourists

    • @everydayrubbish8962
      @everydayrubbish8962 3 года назад

      @@canemre4725 but he asked to police?????? Police said yes

  • @eu8715
    @eu8715 3 года назад +15

    Hey. keep calm mate. Turkish police never ask for tribute, tips, money or anything of value. It is not like in Pakistan, India, China or Africa. They just checked for the safety of the society. Enjoy ur travel. Keep safety.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +2

      Just not a situation i wanted to be in haha

    • @everydayrubbish8962
      @everydayrubbish8962 3 года назад +1

      @@DivertLiving it is just for your safety bud, if they don't check on people, imagine 3 million refugees everywhere, istanbul has all nations people

  • @HappyLibra-xx3kv
    @HappyLibra-xx3kv Год назад +1

    They were very kind to you if you ask me, I have had scarier encounters with police back home in the US being that I am an American, multiracial and a Muslim who wears hijab, I have faced more in my life than this. I live in Turkey now and I believe is just police guys doing their job nothing scary. They are just doing what they are supposed to do, just keeping people safe. Flying a drone in a random place would freak out anyone, including me.

  • @emreuz1582
    @emreuz1582 3 года назад +4

    If they were planning to do anything, they wouldn't let you keep any recording device. You aren't cuffed, tasered or nobody put their knees on your neck and choke you. You aren't in US don't worry.

  • @creepypastafangirl4821
    @creepypastafangirl4821 2 года назад +4

    i love Türkey and Turkish Coffe.

  • @muratsaglam8054
    @muratsaglam8054 3 года назад +6

    if you are filming and recording somebody secretly, without consent it is against constitution. Broadcasting is worse.

  • @rockdustlightstar1930
    @rockdustlightstar1930 3 года назад +2

    Hahahahaa is that a drone flying over Hagia Sofia? U know its 1484 years old, hahahahhaaa , u got balls bro :))))

  • @scottsimon1
    @scottsimon1 3 года назад +3

    It was very nice of that local Turk to spend 2 hours of his time translating for you.

    • @FOURTEEFIVE
      @FOURTEEFIVE Год назад

      No he was a kidnapper obviously XD

  • @cleo_ra
    @cleo_ra 2 года назад

    Just read your description box, and I find it so admirable that you followed your heart around the world… Love your channel, very inspirational 💫

  • @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace
    @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace 3 года назад +5

    The thing on that pide isnt equivalent of pepperoni, that is sucuk (sujuk) and it is the equivalent of chorizo. If you want actual pepperoni you must ask for pepperoni, if you want pork products you must specify that too or you will get beef or turkey meat substitutes. We like pastırma (a.k.a. bastırma, means squeeze-dried meat in Turkish) and Macar Salamı (Hungarian salami) here. Macar (Magyar) is the actual name of the Hungarians btw, we call them Macar because we are related.

  • @ArdaEgeTurkeli
    @ArdaEgeTurkeli 3 года назад +9

    In Turkey if you have drone which is more than 500 grams you have to register it to Civil Aviation Department's system and after that you could easily reach the map that shows the non-permission and permission required areas (Historic Istanbul is almost needs permission) so if you want to take shots in these places you have to apply to Civil Aviation Department's e-mail address to get perm. These places not required perm cuz of military, cuz of terrorism activities we don't want our people or tourist get injured or get killed.
    Lastly you have one other option, you can go to American Embassy or Istanbul's Governor Building to get permission.
    By the way the guy who disabled the drone isn't military person he is connect to Interior Affairs that means police force. Actually, all the guys you saw connected to Interior Affairs.
    I hope you enjoyed your visit.
    Stay Safe!

    • @anwalat
      @anwalat Год назад

      I tried to apply from the link but it requires Turkey ID. Seems like the registration is only for Turkey’s citizen. How to apply for expat/tourist/visitors?

    • @ArdaEgeTurkeli
      @ArdaEgeTurkeli Год назад

      @@anwalat From Civil Aviation Department's main page you have to go "forms" then FR-03 for application form. Then you shall apply officially to Turkish DGCA with that form.

  • @hubb2816
    @hubb2816 3 года назад +11

    I think there was a military zone you broke it and this happened. Not everywhere but some high security place has a rules like this. Maybe policeman don't think you can get in military zone. In addition, you can trust all police and soldires in Turkey. They are most trustworthy people in Turkey, asspecialy when they are in job. You can follow them and know you are in safe. And also if you in any trouble, you should ask them to help.

    • @ibrahimweaxy
      @ibrahimweaxy 3 года назад

      Yes exactly :)

    • @constantinos6532
      @constantinos6532 Год назад

      I don't think so

    • @hubb2816
      @hubb2816 Год назад

      @@constantinos6532 if you are not terrorist so

    • @constantinos6532
      @constantinos6532 Год назад

      Well, don't remember what happened in Turkey a time ago some of them are bad some of them are good don't say the police are nice to people and they are trustworthy people in Turkey. An till they beat you up coming from a poor country for a better life and you think that Turkey people are a whole different people no Iraq and turks are Muslims all of them don't think that turks don't have that DNA* brothers Nation fight Nation Religion fight religion same with us.

    • @hubb2816
      @hubb2816 Год назад

      @@constantinos6532 Bro you are Greek. You cannot make an unprejudiced comment about Turkey.

  • @mistalion1
    @mistalion1 3 года назад +6

    there is nothing abnormal, it is just the rule and just the precedure. Turkiash police is maybe the most gentle police. BTW thanks for this beautiful Istanbul views

  • @OsmanOsmanHan
    @OsmanOsmanHan Год назад +2

    Millions of tourist every year, imagine all of them decided to let a drone fly around. Yea, right.

  • @AZMINOR
    @AZMINOR 3 года назад +8

    Every country’s has their own rules and regulations laws for protection from enemy

  • @nyonyopraia
    @nyonyopraia 3 года назад +8

    All type of meals probably would be tastier ever, after that kind of situation.
    Stay safe.

  • @pedrofaba
    @pedrofaba 3 года назад +11

    Glad that everything came out ok, stay safe.

  • @ozgurerdemir8128
    @ozgurerdemir8128 3 года назад +6

    Türkiye'de, drone uçurmak için, "Sivil Havacılık Departmanına" kayıt yaptırıp,izin almak gerekiyor.Ayrıca kolluk kuvvetlerinden de izin almak gerekiyor.Her mekanda,mevkiide drone uçuramazsınız..!

    • @danyalbinamr1821
      @danyalbinamr1821 2 года назад +3

      Herif askeri bölgeye girip dron ucurmus bu dünyanın nerdsinde olursa olsun yasak diye biliyorum sivil havacılık belgen olsa bild

  • @Chimmerian72
    @Chimmerian72 3 года назад +3

    When you enter Topkapi Palace from the main gate on the left side there is Hagia Eirini church. across the church, there is a road is going down to the palace. Down the hill, there are huge warehouses of the Turkish Military. That is why army officers warned you. I guess. That belongs to Turkish Defence ministry .

  • @maivesiyah2287
    @maivesiyah2287 3 года назад +2

    When you scared you are funny as hell bro,i laughed a lot don't mad at me ahaha

  • @bladdee_01
    @bladdee_01 3 года назад +2

    The military staff were actually quite nice. They were talking about the weather(snow) and how they disabled your drone comms. It's normal procedure in mega cities like Istanbul especially the most attracted places. Plus, Turkey has suffered from a lot of terrorist attacks so you should be a bit understanding about the situation. If you read "The Drone Laws" in Turkey online before you fly your drone that would ease your pain :) Just forget it and have fun next time when you get back!

  • @henaan4321
    @henaan4321 2 года назад

    What a video man so beautiful watching this in the summer feels something else

  • @ertegin
    @ertegin Год назад

    sick drone shots man i really enjoyed em

  • @4evertrue830
    @4evertrue830 3 года назад +5

    Great to see another video man. You must be having a great time over there in Turkey, cause it seems you have been there for about two months now.

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +3

      No i was there for 10 days haha, just filmed a lot

    • @theorangeman5005
      @theorangeman5005 3 года назад +2

      @@DivertLiving where are you now

  • @Turk_Union
    @Turk_Union 3 года назад +7

    In one of your early Turkey videos, I suggested you to spend some time, maybe six months in Turkey to find out how to dodge trouble in Turkey so you can enjoy being in Turkey better, to be honest I spent 39 years in Turkey and I would have probably gotten into the same situation as yourself, Sir, if I were to fly a drone near the palace, cause I don't know there is a no-drone zone over there. I wish you hadn't had that misunderstanding between you and the police officer about whether you can fly a drone over that specific area. That would have been a lot easier for you guys and the police. Move on !!!

  • @vrwalkkorea
    @vrwalkkorea 3 года назад +4

    Greetings from Korea. Thanks for wonderful video!😀😀😀

  • @thranduil9761
    @thranduil9761 2 года назад +1

    The soldier (Gendarmerie) there asked the person next to her to say, "This is a procedure. This is a no-fly zone. But we will solve this problem easily. No problem, don't worry."
    It is forbidden to fly such devices without permission in some touristic places, but you can fly them when you get permission.

  • @protestanone
    @protestanone 2 года назад +2

    Big mistake. Let me give you an example to understand the Topkapi palace. The spoonmaker elöas, one of the largest diamonds in the world, is there. There are hundreds of gold and diamond inlaid watches worth tens of millions of dollars. Gift of Queen Victoria, Gift of Archduke of Austria, Gift of King of France...
    There are swords that are 2500 years old. And there is the golden throne. It is completely gold and decorated with diamonds and ruby all over. . And there are priceless Islamic sacred treasures. You know, things like the holy cross. And there are shields, daggers, swords, pure gold, decorated with hundreds of golden emeralds, rubies, diamonds. It's an incredible place. We're talking billions of dollars in treasure. It's a priceless place. It was a bit silly to fly a drone there 😂😂

  • @afiqipad9791
    @afiqipad9791 3 года назад +1

    Hello bro, I have some questions for you...
    I've planned to bring my DJI Mini 2 drone to turkey this November, but it's really confusing when I read all those articles and websites regarding drone rules and regulations....
    1) If I want to bring my DJI Mini 2 which weight less than 500g, should I register to apply the technical confirmation from Turkish DCGA before entering the Turkish customs as stated in articles said "according to the Turkish DGCA website, if your drone weighs less than 500 grams, it is not required to be registered, and it is not subject to confiscation from customs officers on entry to the country. Basically, if you want to bring in a drone under 500 grams, you are free to do so with no hassles."
    2) Do I need to register as a foreigner to get my drone fly permit?
    Because this article said that, " According to the Directorate of Civil Aviation in Turkey, anyone planning on bringing a drone to the country must make an application of technical conformity. So as to qualify for submission it must be in accordance with the SHT-IHA Instruction. As a foreigner seek prior approval otherwise the drone will be confiscated."
    I do hope u reply to this comment and very much appreciated the effort, thanks bro
    Nice video btw :)

  • @clementhaa
    @clementhaa 2 года назад +4

    bro its goverments police. theres literally nowhere safer than a police station lol as long as u done nothing wrong.

  • @muhammedeminpeker7352
    @muhammedeminpeker7352 2 года назад +2

    If a Turk did this, he would be fined 140000 liras. about 900 dollars. I don't know how much better they could have treated you.

  • @barsdogukankarakoyun8798
    @barsdogukankarakoyun8798 3 года назад +2

    So what happened was basically you were “detained” by Turkish Gendarmerie because you flew a drone over a prohibited area. The drone lost control because they used a drone-jammer (military uses that too) on it. Police officer who told you you can probably didn’t know about drones and no-fly zones very well and that’s his fault. Since there has been a lot of terrorist attacks in the past police and gendarmerie are very cautious at points of interest like Hagia Sophia.

  • @ulas9343
    @ulas9343 2 года назад +2

    What did you expecting bro ? You flew a drone in historical area of İstanbul. Turkey has rules and laws they have to stopped you. Beside , they are not military personal , they are gendarme

  • @CanBonamaVEVO
    @CanBonamaVEVO 3 года назад +13

    In the first encounter of the police/gendarmarie(i guess) he was actually so much kind, in his tone etc. In the "i didnt knew what they are saying" part they were actually talking about "i got out of home and hang out on the cafe" and stuff. And someone at the end of that clip was saying the commander there that (im not sure what happened so this is my guess) "we warned him about the drone flight but after we went back he flew it again".
    So let me say this they were actually so fucking kind in that video that made me irritated LOL. If some turkish guy was in there with them they probably go harsh on him. So yea even in the first second it was clear that they didnt want to make you uncomfortable, just wanted to make sure everything is safe and sound.
    P.S. : After some events this year(some livonian guy i guess insulted the woman police officer saying that send me this woman to my apartment tonight and he didnt get punished) you wont get any trouble if youre not assaulting or doing damages to some places. So if u didnt do any of these just dont worry about anything. Even if u breaking the law but you didnt knew you were breaking it nothing will happen. If police or armed police is taking you or even they are restrain you, nothing will happen if u werent doing some serious shit. And these are never happen to you anyways just %0.001 if they happen you dont need to panic is what im trying to say.

    • @CanBonamaVEVO
      @CanBonamaVEVO 3 года назад +1

      I just watched the rest and you did good with leaving the rug store. He was probably being a little extra hospitable but you never know. Have fun on your travels! :)

  • @Userext47
    @Userext47 3 года назад +16

    Those drone footages were amazing, especially the one of bridge. I'm glad you got out safely. I can understand it's a scary experience to deal with a foreign country's military or police that don't speak the same language. For the record, talking about the weather is one of the ice breakers in Turkey along with where someone is from all the way down to the district if the person(asking) knows enough about it. Also it was the best decision for you to have recorded their discussion, so don't feel bad about that.
    In Turkey, a drone under 500grams doesn't require a permit to be flown. It's still not allowed to be near airports and military locations. Up to 4kg drones don't require permit in open fields (think of hiking locations and farmlands). Over 500g drones require registeration to SHGM. Police doesn't really bat an eye about small drones. Military is a bit more strict however as you can understand. From espionage to terrorism, there are lots of un-ethical uses for civillian drones that militaries worldwide dislike.
    I've seen your other videos on Turkey aswell. Glad you enjoyed your stay.

    •  2 года назад

      complete misinformation here. Drone under 500grams do not need a registration, but still are not allowed to fly ANYWHERE. Drones up to 4kg do require permit in open fields. This is an Istanbul based film producer and a SHGM licenced drone operator here. facts.

  • @nazlozgunkaykc8565
    @nazlozgunkaykc8565 2 года назад +2

    I think they were too patient. Thanks to our law enforcement officers. ❤️ Everything they do is for our safety.

  • @Zetaliano
    @Zetaliano 3 года назад

    Whats the song at 1:30?

  • @RasmusBakKristensen
    @RasmusBakKristensen 3 года назад +2

    I'm not here to talk about what happened in the video - I've tried it myself (being detained), not fun! I'm here to thank you for your content - I'm starting out myself and you've given me quite a lot of motivation and inspiration. You've earned yourself a sub from me!

  • @followthesun2115
    @followthesun2115 3 года назад +5

    Love your description of the day as "moody." The drone footage was phenomenal!

  • @sonyamarmeladova8425
    @sonyamarmeladova8425 3 года назад +3

    The police officers' conversation is nothing to do with your situation :D that was the funniest part for us but the scariest part for you, anyway I hope you enjoyed your vacation in Turkey

  • @memedbedirli6111
    @memedbedirli6111 3 года назад +1

    Turkey actually has really strict drone laws.If your drone weights 500 Grams or more you have to get a permit from city officials to fly the drone over istanbul( which in some cases takes a week) If it's under 500 grams you can't get a permit cause it's considered a toy.But if you are just casually flying over an underpopulated area say a beach or somewhere police won't mind it.But a historic mosque which has been protected by special forces? You got some balls.A turkish citizen would probably pay a fee of 9000 liras(1000 dollar) if he/she did what you did.

  • @volkanyilmazturk724
    @volkanyilmazturk724 3 года назад +3

    Actually without permission flying drone is illegal in Turkey. In istanbul air traffic is busy, also terror organisations uses small drones for attacks. So not only above military areas, all city centers are forbidden for drones. Police can fine you from 200 dollars to 2200 dollars if you fly over Turkish city centers without a permission. We Turks also need to been registered to Transport Ministry to take a drone license. We have to stick this license code to our drones. And We have to apply for a permission to fly over cities. And to take permission for such historical places commercial permissions needed, they don't give permissions to personal applications.
    In Turkey drones are allowed only in urban areas. Police was polite enough not to fine a touristic drone flight. Bu normally he could fine you 2000 dollars to fly over a historical building )))
    Also if they could realise that you are recording a video secretly you could have serious problems.
    Turkey is a touristic country, so military and police is always polite to tourists if they don't feel suspicious that you have undercover intentions. ))

  • @9okku
    @9okku 8 месяцев назад

    Thats very unforunate but if you are curious of what they are talking, The guy on your left said "he landed (the drone) and we were searching for it, then he lifted again." and the guy in front of you said "yeah but he said he took it (I am assuming he meant the permission from the words)". I guess the problem was with the first police officer which you told you asked for permission. I am assuming either he didnt get it and said yes just to avoid you maybe because of the language barrier and being shy, or you didnt show him the compound region while taking the permission. Either way I am glad that it didnt get serious. Maybe another person can make sure to describe the fotage range very well and make sure that the officer speaks english very well. Also military compunds are not hidden so be aware with the footage is forbidden sign since there should be always a sign if it is forbidden.

  • @Yasin_Affandi
    @Yasin_Affandi 3 года назад +5

    Thanks for d wonderful drone shots. I've never seen Istanbul in winter before this.

    • @kayacenk4164
      @kayacenk4164 3 года назад +1

      4 year not been snow in istanbul only this year but few days after that again sunshine :D

    • @Yasin_Affandi
      @Yasin_Affandi 3 года назад +1

      @@kayacenk4164 Wonderful.

  • @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace
    @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace 3 года назад +1

    Is nobody gonna talk about how he got scared of the carpet salesman who just helped him communicate with the police for 2.5 hours, being friendly and hospitable? He was getting you some tea and you ran away? LMFAO!!!!!!!!
    pst American boi...
    psssttt...
    BOO!
    XD

    • @selcukkaramemis2445
      @selcukkaramemis2445 3 года назад

      crazy

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад

      hahahah says the turk that knows what hes saying right hahahahaha....... Try thinking about it from my stand point, as the video is presented

    • @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace
      @MasterOfWarLordOfPeace 3 года назад

      @@DivertLiving I cant possibly think about the situation from your standpoint, because I wasnt ever subjected to the bashing propaganda that your media and gov. has about Turkey and some other countries. Sad but true, they instill fear as a motivator.

  • @ecole1988
    @ecole1988 3 года назад +1

    FYI for others thinking about flying drones in Turkey, it is not perfectly legal, and the laws seem hazy. I came to Turkey just after you did and the regulations say you have to register bigger drones and they may confiscate it at the airport. Of course many people still bring them in and fly in places like Cappadocia. If flying above mosques and palaces, let alone the centre of Istanbul, you do that at your own risk. Police are just doing their job man, but I can imagine it must have been scary. I found the police to be fine when we were there. Just have to be tactical about where you fly!!

  • @cnpnrbs
    @cnpnrbs 2 года назад +2

    I didn't understand why you were scared. You were shooting in one of the most crowded places of the most crowded city of Europe + on top of a military base. They only questioned you and let you go. Not the best experience of course but just take it as an experience. I hope you enjoyed Turkey overall :)

  • @Yasin_Affandi
    @Yasin_Affandi 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for this video n thanks for sharing your experience in Turkey.

  • @creationsoffarzid1154
    @creationsoffarzid1154 Год назад

    Wow , so beautiful to see the scenery in snow and clouds give it a serene look.

  • @highlands2hammocks
    @highlands2hammocks 3 года назад +4

    Been waiting for this perspective since Chris dropped his video haha! Awesome dude

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад +2

      HAhahah well what do you think!? it was an interesting day for sure

    • @highlands2hammocks
      @highlands2hammocks 3 года назад +1

      @@DivertLiving definitely a memory that’ll stick 😂

  • @y.samurai2003
    @y.samurai2003 Год назад +1

    I am a Canadian tourist in turkey and I was arrested because i did not have my passport on me when I was walking down the street to get breakfast so I called my friend and they bought the passport to the officer that arrested me and he said i won’t let him leave then my business partner had connections in turkey and he pulled some strings and the officer was forced by higher authority to let me out and I there was a french tourist he had his id only but it said everything about him unfortunately he was sent to jail so be carefully when you go to turkey

    • @belgesel_kesit
      @belgesel_kesit Год назад

      bro they are so many illegal immigrants. Turkish citizens also have to carry their id card with themselves. You can arrest if you don't

  • @DivertLiving
    @DivertLiving  3 года назад

    What is your scariest travel moment?!
    ⇢ Share when you're watching by tagging me in INSTAGRAM STORIES and you will receive a special gift! bit.ly/2SGZOJo

  • @thezombielamb
    @thezombielamb 3 года назад +2

    I’ve been waiting for this video!

  • @miaslifestartedat50
    @miaslifestartedat50 3 года назад +3

    Merhaba! Great video! I love Turkey! I'm sure the pepperoni was different , cause I don't think pork is allowed due to it being a Muslim country. At least when I was there it was not! Their food is amazing and so are the people!

  • @bartycrouchjr.8831
    @bartycrouchjr.8831 2 года назад

    By the way I love the video. As you said you are extremely lucky to see Istanbul on that snowy day.

  • @ishtarious.
    @ishtarious. 10 месяцев назад

    edward nurton's doppelganger, love it

  • @rocky9418
    @rocky9418 2 года назад +2

    Drones are not allowed in some areas.

  • @Watchugoton
    @Watchugoton 3 года назад

    Great footage of a great city!!!
    When was you out there?

  • @wrtyiw1508
    @wrtyiw1508 3 года назад +18

    I congratulate the Turkish security forces on my behalf 👏 !! There is a law, order and system in Turkey. Turkish citizens and foreign tourists have to comply with this system. This system helps both Turkish citizens and foreign tourists to live in a safer and more peaceful way ! No one can assure me that you are not a terrorist or that you are in an action.they are just doing their job ! I can see in the video how kind they are with you and how they want to help you.if you want to fly a drone you can only get permission it's not a big problem ! If you want to be followed and liked by many people, it would be smarter to try this content in America.I'm sure the american police will give you the content you want ! always play smart and get what you want😁 I love you little boy and have a good day ! 😘🇹🇷♥️🇺🇸

  • @neige8408
    @neige8408 3 года назад +4

    Very very beautiful footages and exciting experience 😛. Snowy Istanbul makes one a poet. (I think you look like FinnSnow btw :D)

    • @DivertLiving
      @DivertLiving  3 года назад

      Really! I havent heard that before!

  • @orhanyokus1921
    @orhanyokus1921 3 года назад +5

    You propably shouldnt reliase that video in police office. Recording that propably a crime. Be carefull and if you can delete that part from the video.

  • @LuBiBochum
    @LuBiBochum 3 года назад

    Oh man....great that you got your drone back. My nightmare....a drone looks for a place to sit....alone ;-). Great video.

  • @echoeron
    @echoeron 2 года назад

    Nah bro, in TR u need to take a permit to fly a drone from SHGM but, in Istanbul, Ankara, İzmir and Muğla, you need permission from governers office or equalivent local office. I was taken by the police and held in custody for 5 hours and paid 10265try as a fine. And I am a Turkish citizen. So your argument in 14:51 is very invalid.