Meindl Boots Failures - Is There A Problem With Meindl?
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as for the soles disintegrating: the last leatherboot-generation of german army also had a dissolving-soles-issue; they used some spongy material to cushion the steps, and that dissolved with time, but shoemakers replaced it easily... ALSO:
i just received my meindl-surplus-boots "Kampfstiefel leicht" - the ones you tested recently (i seriously have to stop watching your vids), got them in good condition for not so good money. only complaints i have so far (can't go out for a walk yet):
- i ordered EU45 to get the width i need. i wear 43.5 otherwhise, with the 45 i just gotten the "just right" width. wonder why they do not build "wide" shoes anymore. not sure if the 44,5 i was eyeing before the order wouldhave had the width i need. wonder if my pair of boots will suffer the same "not at the exact planned bend-spot"-thing...
- they squek. the lashing holding the ankles are rubbing on the leather; have to find the non-colored leather-cream to "soften" that spot a little. they in general look like they could make good use of some TLC tbh...
- the soles. obviously, they gotten it renewed shortly before they were returned, but the material... i don't know. it reminds me of the old erasers from school for erasing pencils, just hardened. somewhat slippy on non-flat surfaces, but great grip on flat. not sure if i should get them replaced with the soles i now have on my KS90 and the KS14 right away - or risk it going outside as soon the doc cleares my knee..?
also - since we talked about the KS14 (AKS):
the AKS isn't as high as the meindl, giving you more freedom to walk, but less stability in "dire situations when you want maximum stiffness around the ankles"; also i do not sweat as much in the meindl as in the AKS, but that's due to the AKS being all seasons thus heavier, the meindls only for summer/dry. to lace up the shoes, aks has the better system; it is more flexible and easier to lace, also to make it a little looser in between during a break or so; the meindl is "fixed" by that clamp-thingy of the two-zone-system. as soon as i can test the meindl, i'll let you know about further differences!
EDIT: btw - how to apply TLC to these meindl light-boots? is there some "leathersoap" cleaning the pores i could apply?)
I used to only buy Meindl (Army Goretex) boots and they would last for ages. However the last 2 pairs, the pair I used most frequently the soles eventually disintegrated. But much more annoying I had one pair in storage as my emergency back up, had a look at them one day and soles had turned to a black powdery substance. Very disappointing I am now using boots from another manufacturer from Bavaria ) . No complaints so far
thats a pain in the ass
Jalas 3322 Fantom Drylock have had a pair about 15 years ,,.
Excellent stuff buddy
Have you done a re-review of the Meindl German Special Forces boots? I'm just curious how they have been for you for the time that you have had them, since I'm looking to get my own pair. Also, are they good for warmer weather above about 21C?
I'm still wearing them, I've had no issues with mine, though Steve is having issues with his , I haven't tried them in warmer weather sorry
The cracking on the crease on the toe is nothing to do with the size it's using crap leather I've had 2 pairs of dovre the pair didn't last 13 months with me the first pair of danners i got was the model crater in 84 Argentinian cattle leather beyond brilliant then that company started it's tricks one pair of lundhag vandra 8 years before binned incredible now on with lundhag forest 2 years old and getting better i use them heavy every day ugly things but the dogs bollocks
Good man, lundwigs have been mentioned before
All modern boots including all military boots are now being made to fall apart after 2-3 years if you're lucky! Daily use maybe one year! It's not just meindl.
That's crap
I’ve yet to own any Meindl but I have had that exact same problem happen with TWO pairs of the vaunted surplus German ‘para’ combat boots by Haix. Of course I have given up on them. Beginning to think that the PU midsole mail used by the Germans …. Sucks! And yet my Swiss KS90s that are SUPPOSED to have that same problem are fine!
Apparently it's all over the place, multiple companies, mine are still going strong
@@RedBranchBushcraft yeah, from what I gather, it depends on how they were stored. If it was in a cool, DRY place [humidity controlled] they would prob be fine. But hydrolysis occurs when they are stored damp for extended periods.
HanWag and some Lowa for the win. Meindl are trash.
Nice , how do you find the fit?
I had a pair of Meindl Burmas, they were a very good boot. However my Altbergs Defenders are better and cost a quarter of the price.
I've heard good things about altbergs
@@RedBranchBushcraft I can’t fault my Defenders at all, hard wearing and as comfortable as a pair of old slippers from the first time I put them on 🙂👍🏻
@Mugwumps107 nice
I brought a pair of Mendl sf mountain boots after watching your reviews of them and it been over a week and I have not had them off my feet. They are really comfortable, supportive and warm. I have used them around the house, shopping and what I bought them for the allotment and they have been amazing. Thanks for the reviews you do. And give Bruno a stick from me.
ive had no problem with mine either , did 7 miles in them yesterday
Check out some Swedish brands like Lundhags, Härkila, Haglöfs or Graninge.
The last 12 years i been using the Chiruca Hunter and they still going hard.. These days its a other version tho.
Nice
@@RedBranchBushcraft Lundhags was founded in 1932 by the shoemaker Jonas Lundhag. He started out making boots that he peddled to local outdoorsmen in Jämtland, Sweden.
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Yup. Same as yours. 14 month old, bout a dozen hikes, eyelet disappeared... Month later.. BOOM 💥... another.. Bought brand new £180.. My others .. Bhutans are still going strong. 💪
Crazy
Those boots are more Mend-ill than Meindl. I was just about to purchase some surplus German SF boots, do they suffer any issues like this?
Not for me so far , but I'm wearing them every second day
@@RedBranchBushcraft - a mate got a surplus pair on Friday. Manufacture date 2020 and in pretty good condition, £60 delivered. He ordered 1/2 a size bigger than normal and said they were still a bit tight. He's very happy with them. I think I'll have a go at one size up, and fingers crossed I get something decent.
@SimonCoates I think they are fairly new issue anyway so they should be ok
My Meindl Desert Fox boots fell apart on me. Outsole just flapping as the mid sole turned to dust. Tempted to take them to a cobbler and get them resoled with something less likely to fall off.
If you can find z good one
I've tried to get multiple cobblers to just put a regular rubber commando sole after the OE sole has fallen apart and no-one will do it. They all keep parroting the same " only the manufacturer's OE sole will fit" BS, so I've ended up binning them as that's no good, given that the OE sole is shite. It's beginning to feel like a scam.
Maybe get some Lowa Zephyr MK2 GTX they look cool going to buy a pair myself 👍
I've looked at those, look great but expensive
New Meindl boots just don’t appear to last like they did 10 years ago.
I too have had the sole separate and no longer recommend Meindl👎🏻
Thirty years ago, Meindl's were the best European boots out there. Today, I wouldn't wear them if they were free.
yeah, their not great anymore
Tough outdoor boots that will last you ten years of rough wear are a thing of the past. Two of the last quality leather boots to do so here in the States, were Filson's "Uplanders", and Russel Moccasin's "Birdshooters"; boots that could be resoled four or five times before they actually just fell apart after a few thousand miles and ten to fifteen years. Now, they only sell junk made in China. Boots for hard men with calloused hands and rock-hard feet no longer exist. At home or in the forest, I wear Red Wing Iron Rangers or my old Corcoran army jump boots; at 70, it's hard to break habits.
@whiskeyriver4322 I'd like to try both those boots , especially the iron rangers but the cost!! Wow
Interesting, never had issues with these. Had three in the past and currently still use the desert fox. Also wearing Haix, Lowa,and the Aku (NS Spider II). Except for the Haix all feel more like trainers rather than boots, and they all get some mileage and beatin’ 😉🤘
Class
wooley. What size bar do you run on your 445
16 I think
I was thinking of getting a 445. I have the 455 rancher.good saw
Good rubber ages ..
After a year or two the graphene goes solid .
I have två pair of Meindl boots with broken soles. A pair of kampstiefel and performance. I will never recomend Meindl to any one. They are ticking bombs. Expensive boots that you can not rely on. Stay away from Meindl
Seems to be a common theme
@@RedBranchBushcraft very upset because I paid normal price and thought I would have awsome boots. And their customer support sucks 🤮
@@mickeberg1234 that's absolutely crap ! How long did you have them?
@@RedBranchBushcraft my performance lasted 5 years and my kampstiefel 3 years. I treated them just like Meindl instructs. Absolutely no help from Meindl. 🤬
@mickeberg1234 shocking
It's not just an issue with Meindl. I have some Asolo Powermatics where, not only has the EVA in tge sole compressed to half its original thickness, but the PU wedge in the heel of one boot is disintegrating. I believe it's known as hydrolysis. It's an issue with stored footwear. I've come to the conclusion, whilst looking into this issue, that there's no point in buying boots to lay aside. Use them or lose them, basically, as the sole materials just aren't designed nor capable of lasting for years. A pair of 'new old stock' boots could start to fall apart almost immediately if they're old enough. There's an interesting article/video on the subject which you can 'google' but of course, RUclips won't post comments with links. Easy to find, however. Goretex / fabric linings are another bugbear, and I'm transitioning towards leather-lined boots as I replace worn out items.
I have links enabled, post away
@@RedBranchBushcraft OK, now I have to figure out how to insert a link, but anyway, there's a good one by BOOTS and GEAR NZ , I'll try and get the link I've copied up.
Cheers buddy
OK, doing this longhand as there seems no easy way to just get the link inserted.
ruclips.net/video/4Kx00zwHSac/видео.html=aYvRFy95yi7ncDzW
That was a mither !
Just typed the link and my comment disappeared. Don't know what's up with that.
I have had 2 pairs of Meindl boots. Dovre extreme GTX is the model. They have worked fine. About soles. Sole padding is made usually out of PU and that gets brittle when they get old. Less you use them, sooner they get brittle. I have used Lundhags boots for years now. No GTX-membrain, just good quality leather. I have walked and hiked about 2000km with them and they look good as new.
I've heard great things about them
Have 2 pair of Lowa boots with the same problem. Anything with that spongey mid layer will eventually fail. Had a pair of the old Bundeswehr boots fail me completely in the Bluestacks, they were built with that type of sole unit. Fantastically comfortable but that is worthless if they will let you down.
A pity , all good boots
The issue of disintegrating soles is nothing new. I've owned Hanwag, Meindl and Lowa, and all of their soles went Infinity Gauntlet after couple of years, whether they were worn constantly or left on the shelf for extended periods. And I've heard similar experiences from others. Do they share the manufacturing process? Or OEM some of the process to, say, Chinese factories? This never happened to my Scarpas and Zamberlans, so I'm inclined to think that there is a defect in German boots makers' manufacturing process that they may or may not share. I don't know. Disappointed because I really liked my Hanwag Alaska GTX. Those boots were unstoppable.
Cheers buddy
I had a couple of pairs of the Vakuum MFS original version and they were great, followed by a couple of pairs of Himalaya’s (BC crampon rated) and then went back to another pair of Vakuum MFS with the updated sole. The first ones were great, no issues. The Himalaya pairs were heavy as expected and the rands perished and cracked up on both over the years, but they held strong and were worn out overall before then. That last pair of Vakuum MFS just spoiled it for me. Crumbling midsoles, like a pair of dodgy knock-off yokes. I moved on to Han Wags and love them. No issues and a similar fit to the Meindls which I always really loved. Many thousands of miles in the hills and bogs and never a blister or ache. I’m old-school about looking after your feet properly. So shame about the Meindls, glad the Han Wags fill that role now.
I've always looked at the hanwags , but they stop at size 8
Hey Wooly,
after the surgeon greenlight my knee for "start it slow", i finally had the chance of taking two walks (both 10km) in the Meindls (german "Kampfstiefel leicht" - the lighter one). I'll compare it to the AKU (swiss KS14) i did another 10k with today, i have:
1. the two-zone-lashing: kinda a good idea, but a total annoyance if you're one of these who want to change the lashing-strentgh mid-walks; AKU is a bit better, no two-zone, yet it allowes for different lashing-strength over the feet and the heel.
2. walking in the two shoes: i defenetly should have gotten the next bigger paif of the AKU. In the beginning, the AKU are more comfortable, but at the end of the walk, the Meindl are over all more comfortable than the AKU (maybe that's only bc the meindl are 1,5 sizes bigger than the AKU, and my feet having more space to roam)
3. ...the sole... well, it is apparent that the Meindl have been serviced for desert-alike campaigns; the rubger sole i mentioned in the last post has a realy good grip on sandy and lose ground (incl. gravel-ways), but as soon you walk on surfaced or even paved roads, the grip is mediocre at best; the new soles i gotten for the AKU (and the old ones that were standard) have a better balanced grip for all services...
Am I happy with the Meindl? Most defenetly YES. As with the KS90 i gotten me the next bigger size, i finally have enough room inside. Though - i think i could have gone with size EU44,5 for the Meindls instead 45, the "normal" width in the Meindls is big enough for my wider feet.
Will i need to change something on the Meindls? Most defenetly YES:
1. new soles. i'll get the "swiss army standard sole" fixed on them, just to have the balanced grip the KS90 (and the AKU after retrofitting) offer.
2. i need to get another insert for the inside-soles; just to lift my feet a bit, and that i can use my orthopedic inserts (eventough the Meindls are wider than normal, the inserts still don't have enough room)
(any advice for that inssue? would be putting some PU a good idea? The Meindl-inserts that came with the boots are "cushioned", the orthopedics would probably not deal with that to good?)
mmmn , im not sure , you might have to buy an insert, i wear two insoles in my meindl to get a good fir
Yes the size is a problem.you need 1 size bigger ...also with the dutch army meindl ..the de- laminating with the soles I had with Dutch army Haix boots...but the meindl perfect are still perfect ..but alway fit them in the store..size are sometimes 1 smaller
I wonder if the bigger sizes causes problems
I wore nothing but meindl in the early 90's for Hill walking and military. After a couple of pair as time progressed, the quality of the sole deteriorated , didn't last as long as the original vibram, wasn't as grippy on wet rock/ ground, it would also clog up with muck leading to some sketchy decents. Stopped using them for military use due to a loud squeak emanating from the boot, I also found the cracking of the leather at the creases and their size got too narrow too,not suitable for a wide foot.
this seems to be the case with all their models
I don't own any (because I'm cheap) but they seem to fall apart pretty easily from what yer saying....
And seems random enough
I've two pairs buddy great for tipping around camp but I wouldn't trust them for hiking, I have exactly the same issue as you. But the sole of my foot rubs on the insole about a half mil over time it turns into a burn. Thsts on both pairs
That's a shitner
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My pleasure buddy
Personally I love Meindl boots; good fit, robust and waterproof. First pair lasted almost 10 years and were well used but soles eventually gave out. I bought another pair (original boots were Makalu but are now discontinued, new ones are Himalaya I think.) but I have had a problem with soles disintegrating. I sent them back to Meindl and they resoled and refurbished them. Paid about £100 but it was a cheaper option than buying a new pair. Very pleased with the results but I hadn’t had them long. I thought the sole issue was perhaps caused by temperature fluctuations when stored as they were kept in the loft which was very hot in summer. I thought the high heat may have affected them in some way? Resoled boots are now kept in more stable temperatures so I hope that helps.
Nice one
Have 2 pairs had others in past but never had any problems, another good boot I use is hanwag gtx special force boot 👍
Hanwags look great
I have a pair of Meindl Dovre extreme, fantastic boots no issues whatsoever, used daily
Great to hear
Never bought any, although looked at them on V's site. Bought Alpina Tundra instead, very satisfied with that brand/boot. Stiff sole, perfect for hiking, and I use them all year round. Not light though, but I barely notice the weight since they fit so well (still lighter than my old army boots).
I had alpina boots , seemed solid
@@RedBranchBushcraftBought my first pair just for the VRMM last year, and had zero issues for the whole march. Recommended for sure.
Adidas terex gtx fantastic boots, love mine, bought them after my salmon boots failed. The top lace hook pinged off and nearly had my eye out. The sole wore out super quick ( I walk like a chimp on the outside edge of my feet ). The terex are still going well over a year of wearing them
How's the fit?
@@RedBranchBushcraft the one's have are a 7 1/2 and depending on the boot I'm either a 7 or 8. They are so comfy, I love them
A good shop in diblin called snow and rock .
Ive had two meindls .
Nice
I have 3 pairs of Meindl boots, never had a problem really. But they are newish, so have to wait and see. Jackson’s in Belfast was a great shop, pity they closed. Bought a lot of gear from them
Excellent stuff
Jackson’s was always worth the trip up from Dublin for a few bits of clobber. And their delivery service was insanely fast too. I ordered around lunchtime and had the parcel at my office in south Dublin at 8:30 next morning, even 15 years back. They really knew how to do things right.
@63DegreesNorth yes, a great shop