This drives me crazy to see this because this is the mall I went to growing up for literal years and I remember it bustling so much. I went back yesterday and it was not even a tenth of what it was. Now as an adult I'm super into dead malls and liminal space and the fact that my mall is starting to make that list makes me both happy and sad. This video is awesome and it's so weird to see!
Sad you didn’t show the gorgeous Carousel in the food court. I was obsessed with it when I was a kid, back when they would actually run it. And it’s still as beautiful as ever. I really love this mall with all my heart. Especially since I basically grew up in it. Really sad day for me when I found out the American Girl Doll store closed. But they’ve got a lot of really fun shops for teenagers to go to now. Also I saw someone die in the Waisted store a year ago…
Man that is a '90s mall if I've ever seen one. Awesome video! And I love that phrase "the emperor's new strip mall", just like "terrible '20s". 😂 (Oh and I _totally_ feel the same way about children that you do.)
Avalon is poised completely only for upscale stores. I think that's why North Point hangs on. It fills the niche for the mid-market retailers in the area and more mall-centric higher-end retailers like Build-A-Bear Workshop and Sephora. The mall is obviously struggling though and has lost a lot of its power. The food court is not even what it once was. I've noticed quite a bit of chains have left it such as Sbarro and Moe's Southwest Grill. Also, it seems some common mall chains snub North Point for whatever reason such as Foot Locker. Abercrombie taking all three of its brands out of the mall a few years back has the upper level of the center court looking very dead.
The sad state of this mall is inexplicable. I mean it has great demos; great location and even the area around the mall is still being developed. I just think that it is stuck between The Perimeter Mall and The Avalon. There are plans to turn it into a mixed-use development in the very near future.
I really like this mall it’s big and has a wide versify of things to do. I live in Atlanta so I have been to this mall once or twice. It is interesting how a surviving ball is still getting redeveloped, I also do feel bad for the JCPenney as it still operates well at this mall. Hopefully they’ll have some sort of deal for the store maybe move it closer to where Macy’s is so they can stay in business and do the workers can have more room to build the outdoor area to me it’s a win win situation.
An ok mall. I liked seeing one of your videos with a mall that actually has a bit of action. Also I agree with you about the white paint. Way too much of it. It needs more colour and more decoration. That's the only thing that's missing.
I worked here back in 2018-2019. Even then it had a bunch of people. There was always a crowd or someone walking into the store I worked at. I left in 2019 and the store I worked at closed in 2020 I believe. Since then the mall has died. I think losing the American Girl store lost a major pull to come to this mall over Town Center or Lenox. I think it’s only hope is keeping more middle class to slight upscale stores so there isn’t direct competition with the slightly higher scale Avalon and Halcyon.
The lifestyle center nearby, Avalon has really given North Point a run for its money. North Point seems to be a mall that the anchors they do have are strong, but the inline stores, some have left for Avalon. North Point is a neat mall. The Macy's is unique as when it opened as Rich's, Rich's paid tribute to its recently closed flagship with the location there on its exterior. Wish the mall the best in the future.
At the time the North Point Rich's opened, where was the location of the then just closed Rich's this location paid tribute to? I thought that closed former Rich's was in downtown Atlanta, but I'm not sure.
When Belk replaced Lord and Taylor in 2007, Belk did very little to the Lord and Taylor exterior. During Belk's time from 2007-2009, the exterior and entrances were the same as when Lord and Taylor was there.
I think the real question is,why would you have to demolish anything to make a mall into a "lifestyle center"? I mean,technically speaking,a mall already IS a lifestyle center. What do you need to change to make that minute difference? It'd just be cheaper to rebrand it a lifestyle center and save the demo/construction costs. I mean,like you said,the place could use a new coat of paint. Do it right and it'd make the place look completely different without one nail or wall knocked out. But yeah,this mall looks pretty healthy as is. Get some good shops in to fill those empty spots that'll draw people in and you got yourself a fine mall. Like I said in previous comments,I think the reason these malls are "doing badly" is because the management wants them to do badly. Like "tax write off" badly. And I doubt Amazon is the only problem. Malls always had stuff besides just shopping. Theaters,arcades,various things to do there. And that's the real appeal of brick and mortar. A real,physical place to go and hang out with your friends and stuff.
Hi. New subscriber. I went through a abandoned mall rabbit hole on RUclips and then one of your videos came as a suggestion. So far I’ve been focused on the GA malls you’ve done because I am from Atlanta but I currently live in the Stone Mountain area. I grew up going to greenbrier as a kid. The only mall I visit consistently is perimeter. As of lately I try to avoid Lenox as much as possible. Side note: I don’t like crowds either so I try to get to the mall as soon as they open.
Since moving to Georgia in 2005, I frequented this mall till the early 2010s when I noticed most of the stores I go to had been replaced by mostly clothing stores, and this is what this mall's problem is. Lack of diversity. Everywhere you look its all clothes..women's clothes that is. Other malls especially overseas (Europe and Asia) are much more diverse, having restaurants (aside from food court), cinemas, bowling alleys, large supermarkets, even mini-theme parks. The stores are also diverse--household good, electronics, kitchen gadgets, novelty stores selling books and collectors item (kinda like Discovery Store and Zany Brainy in the past), among others. So you can hangout in those malls all day and not get bored.
Georgia is a lot like Brampton, Ontario, Canada. Half of the Bramalea City Centre (a mall that is designated a tourist attraction, a distinction the mall will lose once half of it is gone) is slated for redevelopment and demolition to make way for houses, apartment buildings, streets leading to Queen Street, some outside stores and a condo building attached directly to the mall. Shoppers World Brampton (another mall that has been around for over 50 years) is slated to be demolished entirely to make way for townhouses/houses and highrise condos as well as streets and several standalone stores. And a chinese restaurant and the Marigold Hotel/Travel Lodge are slated for redevelopment and demolition to make way for two high rise condo buildings along Queen Street. All this because Brampton is too small a city and has ran out of farmland to be purchased by real estate developers.
The Cheesecake Factory was a "thing" around 1996. Nowadays, it is pretty lowbrow and no longer catering to the upper middle class. The chain is consistently rated as one of the most unhealthy restaurant chains. The problem with the Atlanta area is the leapfrog development. A new mall goes in and a decade later another new mall is built just a bit further out. Alpharetta and the rest of North Fulton County is probably one of the wealthiest areas in the Atlanta metro area.
It looks like a manageable number of vacancies. One possibility is that a substantial number of leases are expiring soon and management is worried that the tenants won't renew.
Mall redevelopment must bring some of the new buildings close to the street - the most transit and pedestrian friendly spots if any exist. The mall island in a sea of parking lots is part of the problem. This is very difficult in typical suburbia, but not impossible in all location ands but should be a long-term goal of zoning and local gov't and the property owners
I'll have a discussion about that in a future video. But as an example, does a mall really need all that parking? I like driving, myself, but a couple rows could be pulled out in favor of ped paths & green space.
The mall started its decline in the mid/late 00s when online shopping finally being adopted by the majority of people combined with the financial collapse just changed everything. I miss the software etc, waldenbooks, and arcade they used to have. Avalon and covid really hit NP a lot. Avalon is nice but a bit even further out of my way so I don't go there often
Avalon killed North Point and it was the stores stocking their Avalon location better than their North Point store. I worked a few miles from there for 20 years.
This drives me crazy to see this because this is the mall I went to growing up for literal years and I remember it bustling so much. I went back yesterday and it was not even a tenth of what it was. Now as an adult I'm super into dead malls and liminal space and the fact that my mall is starting to make that list makes me both happy and sad. This video is awesome and it's so weird to see!
one thing that makes your videos so good is after I watch it I want to go back and watch an 80s movie.
This mall was my childhood and teenage years 😩😭 Haven't been back in forever, I'm glad to see it's hanging in there, if only for now.
Sad you didn’t show the gorgeous Carousel in the food court. I was obsessed with it when I was a kid, back when they would actually run it. And it’s still as beautiful as ever. I really love this mall with all my heart. Especially since I basically grew up in it. Really sad day for me when I found out the American Girl Doll store closed. But they’ve got a lot of really fun shops for teenagers to go to now. Also I saw someone die in the Waisted store a year ago…
Man that is a '90s mall if I've ever seen one. Awesome video! And I love that phrase "the emperor's new strip mall", just like "terrible '20s". 😂 (Oh and I _totally_ feel the same way about children that you do.)
Avalon is poised completely only for upscale stores. I think that's why North Point hangs on. It fills the niche for the mid-market retailers in the area and more mall-centric higher-end retailers like Build-A-Bear Workshop and Sephora. The mall is obviously struggling though and has lost a lot of its power. The food court is not even what it once was. I've noticed quite a bit of chains have left it such as Sbarro and Moe's Southwest Grill. Also, it seems some common mall chains snub North Point for whatever reason such as Foot Locker. Abercrombie taking all three of its brands out of the mall a few years back has the upper level of the center court looking very dead.
The sad state of this mall is inexplicable. I mean it has great demos; great location and even the area around the mall is still being developed. I just think that it is stuck between The Perimeter Mall and The Avalon. There are plans to turn it into a mixed-use development in the very near future.
I really like this mall it’s big and has a wide versify of things to do. I live in Atlanta so I have been to this mall once or twice. It is interesting how a surviving ball is still getting redeveloped, I also do feel bad for the JCPenney as it still operates well at this mall. Hopefully they’ll have some sort of deal for the store maybe move it closer to where Macy’s is so they can stay in business and do the workers can have more room to build the outdoor area to me it’s a win win situation.
An ok mall. I liked seeing one of your videos with a mall that actually has a bit of action. Also I agree with you about the white paint. Way too much of it. It needs more colour and more decoration. That's the only thing that's missing.
I worked here back in 2018-2019. Even then it had a bunch of people. There was always a crowd or someone walking into the store I worked at. I left in 2019 and the store I worked at closed in 2020 I believe. Since then the mall has died. I think losing the American Girl store lost a major pull to come to this mall over Town Center or Lenox.
I think it’s only hope is keeping more middle class to slight upscale stores so there isn’t direct competition with the slightly higher scale Avalon and Halcyon.
I agree that it has too much white paint, the partial demolition seems unnecessary to me. It has plenty of tenants and a mostly healthy anchor lineup.
The lifestyle center nearby, Avalon has really given North Point a run for its money. North Point seems to be a mall that the anchors they do have are strong, but the inline stores, some have left for Avalon. North Point is a neat mall. The Macy's is unique as when it opened as Rich's, Rich's paid tribute to its recently closed flagship with the location there on its exterior. Wish the mall the best in the future.
At the time the North Point Rich's opened, where was the location of the then just closed Rich's this location paid tribute to? I thought that closed former Rich's was in downtown Atlanta, but I'm not sure.
@@BoratWanksta It was the downtown store.
Used to go to this mall a lot as a kid. It's sad to see retail spaces being nixed there; I haven't seen the place since 2004. Keep the mall alive!
But what do I know I'm just an observer, an idiot even 😂😂😂 you wildin'
When Belk replaced Lord and Taylor in 2007, Belk did very little to the Lord and Taylor exterior. During Belk's time from 2007-2009, the exterior and entrances were the same as when Lord and Taylor was there.
i love the music and voice over..... you are the best person doing dead malls
I think the real question is,why would you have to demolish anything to make a mall into a "lifestyle center"? I mean,technically speaking,a mall already IS a lifestyle center. What do you need to change to make that minute difference? It'd just be cheaper to rebrand it a lifestyle center and save the demo/construction costs. I mean,like you said,the place could use a new coat of paint. Do it right and it'd make the place look completely different without one nail or wall knocked out.
But yeah,this mall looks pretty healthy as is. Get some good shops in to fill those empty spots that'll draw people in and you got yourself a fine mall. Like I said in previous comments,I think the reason these malls are "doing badly" is because the management wants them to do badly. Like "tax write off" badly. And I doubt Amazon is the only problem.
Malls always had stuff besides just shopping. Theaters,arcades,various things to do there. And that's the real appeal of brick and mortar. A real,physical place to go and hang out with your friends and stuff.
man in the late 90s/early 00s i loved this malls arcade right next to its food court.
Hi. New subscriber. I went through a abandoned mall rabbit hole on RUclips and then one of your videos came as a suggestion. So far I’ve been focused on the GA malls you’ve done because I am from Atlanta but I currently live in the Stone Mountain area. I grew up going to greenbrier as a kid. The only mall I visit consistently is perimeter. As of lately I try to avoid Lenox as much as possible. Side note: I don’t like crowds either so I try to get to the mall as soon as they open.
The Von Maur here was actually the first in the Southeast and outside of the Midwest.
I do not like kids that much either and I don't want to have any kids if I would get married.
Since moving to Georgia in 2005, I frequented this mall till the early 2010s when I noticed most of the stores I go to had been replaced by mostly clothing stores, and this is what this mall's problem is. Lack of diversity. Everywhere you look its all clothes..women's clothes that is. Other malls especially overseas (Europe and Asia) are much more diverse, having restaurants (aside from food court), cinemas, bowling alleys, large supermarkets, even mini-theme parks. The stores are also diverse--household good, electronics, kitchen gadgets, novelty stores selling books and collectors item (kinda like Discovery Store and Zany Brainy in the past), among others. So you can hangout in those malls all day and not get bored.
Georgia is a lot like Brampton, Ontario, Canada. Half of the Bramalea City Centre (a mall that is designated a tourist attraction, a distinction the mall will lose once half of it is gone) is slated for redevelopment and demolition to make way for houses, apartment buildings, streets leading to Queen Street, some outside stores and a condo building attached directly to the mall.
Shoppers World Brampton (another mall that has been around for over 50 years) is slated to be demolished entirely to make way for townhouses/houses and highrise condos as well as streets and several standalone stores.
And a chinese restaurant and the Marigold Hotel/Travel Lodge are slated for redevelopment and demolition to make way for two high rise condo buildings along Queen Street.
All this because Brampton is too small a city and has ran out of farmland to be purchased by real estate developers.
The Cheesecake Factory was a "thing" around 1996. Nowadays, it is pretty lowbrow and no longer catering to the upper middle class. The chain is consistently rated as one of the most unhealthy restaurant chains. The problem with the Atlanta area is the leapfrog development. A new mall goes in and a decade later another new mall is built just a bit further out. Alpharetta and the rest of North Fulton County is probably one of the wealthiest areas in the Atlanta metro area.
There does appear to be many empty store fronts? It sounds like this mall has constantly been changing since it was built?
It looks like a manageable number of vacancies. One possibility is that a substantial number of leases are expiring soon and management is worried that the tenants won't renew.
Mall redevelopment must bring some of the new buildings close to the street - the most transit and pedestrian friendly spots if any exist. The mall island in a sea of parking lots is part of the problem.
This is very difficult in typical suburbia, but not impossible in all location ands but should be a long-term goal of zoning and local gov't and the property owners
I'll have a discussion about that in a future video. But as an example, does a mall really need all that parking? I like driving, myself, but a couple rows could be pulled out in favor of ped paths & green space.
@@DoomieGruntVentures Are you covering malls in the Appleton WI Area?
Sad. I used to work near there, and went often. I was hoping North Point would escape the fate of other malls.
The mall started its decline in the mid/late 00s when online shopping finally being adopted by the majority of people combined with the financial collapse just changed everything. I miss the software etc, waldenbooks, and arcade they used to have.
Avalon and covid really hit NP a lot. Avalon is nice but a bit even further out of my way so I don't go there often
Malls @ Atlanta have markedly declined.
It actually had quite a few people there !
Avalon killed North Point and it was the stores stocking their Avalon location better than their North Point store. I worked a few miles from there for 20 years.
Nice video 👋
by the time anything is done to improve this mall, it will be dead and empty, which is the course it is on now.
ive been there before
Cute