10 Sins Family Historians Make - LIVE
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0:00 Intro
5:45 #1 Copying from other trees
11:05 #2 Not creating a research question or plan
12:50 #3 Being unorganized
14:18 #4 Not knowing where to find records
17:00 #5 Not investigating family lore
19:14 #6 Not researching siblings
21:20 #7 Not researching the F.A.N. Club
26:24 #8 Thinking ThruLines is your tree
29:33 #9 Not using the Card Catalog
32:27 #10 Not keeping research notes!
40:03 Bonus tip - Vary your sources
40:47 Evaluate your sources
41:15 Focus your research
41:30 Get organized
42:08 Research Notes
42:21 Reach out!
43:39 Keep learning!
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6:16 #1 copying from others' trees
11:05 #2 raking the leaves
12:50 #3 unorganized
14:17 #4 where are records?
17:03 #5 family lore
19:19 #6 siblings research
21:17 #7 F.A.N Club
26:24 #8 ThruLines
29:33 #9 Card Catalog
32:25 #10 Research Notes
Thank you, Juliana!!!
thank you!
Ouch. This is tedious.
Card catalog? We haven't used cards for decades. Ridiculous. Too Ancestry-centric for my taste, and using the term "sin" is also ridiculous. Better luck next time.
I investigated family lore that was passed down from generation to generation, while I was in Germany this year and found documents to prove the lore was right. Sometimes there is at least a little truth in family stories/lore. You just have to search to find it. Great video!
Awesome. Thanks.
Word of advice: Start talking with your older relatives and collect those family stories NOW. I'm a late bloomer WRT to researching the family and there's almost nobody left to get stories/information from. :(
And don’t forget to record your own stories too 🙂
@@clairem730 Good point! And I've had an ...um...interesting life so I have lots of stories.
Unfortunately, recently I became the older generation
The worst thing I ever did was use someone's tree before I knew to check it!!!!!
We've all been there.
The FAN hints about checking neighbors on a census helps to find missing persons on other censuses, through cross-check of City Directories, especially on earlier censuses without street information. Also helps when the census indices have wildly misspelled names, either through error or illegible census-taker's handwriting.
My father began genealogy in the 1960s via family interviews, cemetery walks, and microfilm. I picked up the bug in 1992 before the internet. Most of my research is pre-internet from visits to archives and courthouses, much of which is still not on the internet. I don't source my trees. It would take me years to attach documents and many of them aren't available online. I use FTM and transcribe every document into the notes section in chronological order.
I research a minimum of 3 generations of very ancestral sibling.
My research was mostly done by family members a couple of generations before me. They went to libraries, court houses, and cemeteries. As I have looked at ThruLines, the info agrees with what I already have from those family members.
Late to the party … love from Australia
Oh Connie, clicking on those little green leaves was so exciting when I started. I had no idea that there were people with as little actual knowledge as me out there on the other side of the green leaf. I clicked away in great excitement !
You're not alone. We've all done it.
I would add to researching siblings. Check why they died if nothing else. I learned too late that heart disease in children was in our family. If you know this in today's age they can check in utero to see if there is a concern. Wish I knew this 18 years ago when my great nephew was born.
Great video! Another reason to research siblings, especially death records, is to find maiden names and sometimes additional spouses.
Yes!
As a kid, all of my father’s family talked about “Grandma Josephine” around the kitchen table. So when I saw a family tree for her and looked at all of the sources, I immediately linked her to my tree. Why not? These names and places were all stories I grew up with. I later found that she was the second wife and that my line was related to the first wife. Grandma Josephine was not even related to me. But, she raised my ancestors to the point that it didn’t matter. She will always be Grandma Josephine. It was a good lesson in my early research days.
Even if she wasn’t a blood relative, she will still be family. However, have you made notes to the effect on your tree stating that? To future generations, she will be some one they cannot link to themselves.
Family stories are one of the reasons I started this journey. I found that some are just stories and some are true....just slightly different, like game of telephone
I “copy” and categorize by last name on the computer- I also put a”copy” on the appropriate blog - I have four family blogs.
I also have two blogs that show the lines for my rev war veterans and mayflower -all direct line ancestors.
I worked at WTHR in Indianapolis and KSPR in Springfield, MO. I love your show and appreciate your background!!!
Yeah! Another TV person.
I am thankful that my sister joined me in doing our family research. Together, we researched a family lore and have brought some doubt to the lore and how factual it is. Thanks for all you do!
So jealous! I’ve been trying to get my family to take an interest with me but it hasn’t yet worked
Verified or not, I NEVER import from someone else's tree! If they have records showing, I will search those records myself and include that data in my tree FROM the record, but NEVER from another tree! Even if I know the owner of said tree, such as a cousin etc.
I'm watching this 7 months after screening I'm in Australia. Your programs have helped me a lot
Thanks
"Raking the leaves" is a great expression -- thanks! And I agree, for most ancestors (those well known and proven) it is an utterly useless activity. Many thanks for the entertaining video.
Yeah... raking the leaves... that's one I came up with a few years ago. I thought it was appropriate. Thanks for watching.
Challenge was accepted. I used your hints to focus on my potential great-great-grandfather. Along with Diahan's Best Mystery Match hints. I believed I found him. Using this method helped my narrow and focus on him. I also used your Census Record Excel hint in the process. In two days I was able to find him. Yes, I used the tags: floating tree tags, Unverified, See Comments, and other custom tags to streamline my research. I was surprised how many of my DNA hints linked into my tree once that person was found. Yes, Research notes were done. Thank you!!!!
Excellent work June! Nice! Yay!
Hello, from Quebec, Canada! I missed the live! Thank you for this video! Since I am listening and following you on RUclips, my family tree is much better since I follow all your good tips! I learn every time! And the challenge is accepted! 😁
Ah thanks.
It’s true. When I started I copied trees. Now I am super careful. Undoing errors is so difficult.
Yes, back when I started with Ancestry I copied others’ trees with impunity! I was just so darn excited to see all those generations. When I started seeing British nobility show up I began to realize there was some questionable data out there. I didn’t delete that tree, and still refer to it sometimes for sibling info, but I retitled it as “Unverified.” I then started over with a tree I call “Direct Line Verified.” No info is added unless I can verify with a solid source. When I built the new tree I was still working full time and didn’t have time to deal with all the hints, so I limited this tree to only my direct line. I do still use siblings as a research tool as you recommend. I will use your #2 item on resource questions, and the advice I have seen you give about focusing on one person at a time. That should help me tremendously, along with getting organized!!
Good for you! Keep up the verified work!
Lmao yes I just recently decided to change my tree name to ‘WORKING family tree copy with caution!’ 😅
Guilty as charged…to some extent. I use other people’s trees as research tools not as fact. Same thing with hints. Seems like people in 1700 - 1800 America all had the same popular names! At least in my tree. Then you have to search where they were born or who their offspring were to get the right person. That’s where census records come in handy. But old census records can be frustrating with only the head of household listed. Anyway…the search continues. Great show.
Thanks
Guilty! of copying without researching. 😊 But not since I've been following your wonderful videos!! ❤
Awesome! Thank you!
In the past, I created "research trees" in ancestry where I played around with information I found on other's trees so I don't mess up my main tree. I also have used comments in the past to remind myself and others that I am not 100% sure. I've never used tags so I will have to learn more about those.
Thank you so much for your tools! I have been researching for 28 years, and have been watching you for the last 2 or 3 years, thank you so much! From South Australia....
Ah you are so kind. Thanks Australia for sending me another great viewer!
So much of my family is from rural va ga and nc, and there’s like 10 families that intermarried like crazy . So I zoomed out and started taking note of the various family groups. It’s made a huge difference
Nice! Hey thanks for becoming a channel member.
@@GenealogyTV absolutely! Your channel has been a great help to me already and I’ve only just found it, gotta support
Thank you for this podcast! The only sins I'm guilty of in your list are #4 and #9, but that is due to the learning curve, as genealogical research is a learned process. While I have done #1, I vetted those sources first before even considering a merge. I majored in English literature, so researching was a part of my curriculum; I use those research skills for family research; however, I still have much to learn. I'm trying to up my game in this process; the videos on genealogy research have helped me begin to slowly chip away at one brick wall, but there's still a long way to go to get back to Ireland and Scotland. Researching in the 18th century doesn't help; my ancestor and his family have been largely elusive.
No wonder you are so good with all those buttons!!
Yes! About thru lines. I've already found something wrong. I'm going to follow your advice and not worry about it, lol . Really enjoy your videos. They are very helpful.
Thank you
Watching the replay from SW Missouri.
Another reason that I look at Neighbors in the census is that several times I have found future in-laws and spouses who lived close by or next door 10 years before when the children were still young
Thank You! I love watching you on You Tube. THIS IS exactly what i need right now. Not focusing on one person, not keeping proper details, going down a rabbit hole…. Your way of documenting is even better than person timeline❣️
Wonderful! Thank you.
I've used many different internet sources. National Libraries, online newspapers, Ancestry, Family Search, NGS library, a local genealogist in Germany, even my little local library. I paid that German genealogist, he did a translation. I was able to read the archaic German myself since it is more like a code than a language.
Missed notification when went live, still enjoyed watching recording immediately after.
Since I was raised Catholic, use of "sins" in title gave me a good chuckle!
Sin #1 YES YES YES!! ... so many times I see questions on FB about doing this, whether from other trees or ThruLines. Personally, I never ever copy .. I compare what I find with what I have then research to verify or add to shoebox for later review. I
Yeah... I was a little worried about using the word "Sin" in the title. I didn't want to offend anyone.
Connie your amazing ❤❤ & love it when you go live 💓💓
Challenge accepted!!
Thank you for all of your expert advice! ❤
I often watch episodes on TV which doesn't give a chat option. I use your research suggestions, and wow what a help! I found one of my brick walls; my 2x great grandmother's family before she got married.
Glad I could help!
Hello from Vancouver Washington 😊
This was great. Thankyou Connie from Australia
This was great. Thank you. Greetings from Sydney, NSW, Australia.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Joining you from Northumberland England. Loud and clear.
Hello from Arizona! Everything is working.
Great video. Learned a lot from it.
We had a story that every family historian and genealogist put in every single book that was put together, and there were several. It just never made sense to me, I couldn't make it add up, so I dug into it. Story goes that this ancestor lived in Germany, and was "kidnapped at the age of 8 by a ship's captain, and taken on board to be a servant. When the ship got to America, they dumped him in PA, and he went to work, ran off with the boss's daughter and married her at 16. He was the only person of that name to immigrate to America, and was the father of the entire line." Well, I found his parents' arrival records in NY, they came here several years before he was born, bringing with them several children who were born in Germany. I found his baptismal records, for the same year he was born in America, with a twin brother, and several other siblings born after him.
Well there you go. This is why we dig deeper.
Rule 1. Yes I am breaking it. I am building an unknown paternal tree based on Genetic matches only because the closest paternal match of the subject is at Great or 2nd Great Grandparent level. He has many many genetic matches and the trees of those individuals are well documented on Ancestry and Family Search. I can only build this tree from the top down. One of the matches at 2nd great grandparent has 72 genetic descendants that appear to match the online trees at least at the upper levels. Verification will come when I can connect to the subject whose father I am trying to find among 33,000 paternal matches. Fun days
So that is acceptable. That is called the Quick and Dirty tree strategy and is part of what we do when we're trying to quickly lay out a genetic tree. I try to mark them as unverified in the tree tags though. I did a video on this strategy calle d Quick & Dirty Branch Using Ancestry ThruLines™ ruclips.net/video/ECH8YL08XIk/видео.html
Thanks for excellent information……Happy New Year from Nova Scotia, Canada!! 😊
Happy new year!
Dallas, TX loving your videos!!!
Glad you like them!
Importing people from other people's trees! I discovered the error of my ways on this by day two! I found errors on the other people's trees for SURE.
Any "genealogist" who says not to investigate family lore is NOT a genealogist in any consideration whatsoever. Family Lore= Oral History= where there's smoke, theres fire= Prove or Debunk it. A lot of societies respect Oral History /Family Lore.....you should too. -Doreen Goslin-Walton
Love all your shows!!!! I will be joinging again soon!!
Thanks Melissa
Not investigating the siblings- for me, they're some of the interesting people. Grandpa's brother and Great grandpa's brother were two of the interesting relatives. They were elected to different groups, and are the ones I can find info on. Especially in newspapers. Them and Grandma's grandpa. Grandma's grandpa was an early settler of Oshkosh, had a hardware store, shipping company (back when it was ships), built the first bridge on the Wolf River, and more recently, I found newspaper articles from around the state about the bridge, which he apparently had to go to Madison to get permission for the bridge, and I found info on the permission for that. He was apparently in the city council, and turned the top floor of a hall he owned into a place to ride bikes. I took a picture of a page in a book about bicycling in Wisconsin where it talks about him.
I found a mini-bio of my 2nd great grandfather’s brother that gave some info on their parents and childhoods that really helped me with my research on the family. Another more distant example came when I started filling out my 6th great grandfather’s branch because I was curious to see which of his brothers had also fought in the Revolutionary War. That ‘s when I found his brother William, who had fought in the war, but even more interesting to me was his family. He and his wife had 15 children, including 4 sets of twins, but only had three grandchildren. Of the 11 children to survive to adulthood, only two married and just one had any children of her own. Four of the children joined the celibate religious sect the Shakers in Maine, which fascinated me because I had done a presentation on the Shakers in grad school, long before I got into genealogy.
Greetings to my fave genealogist...watching from Austin, TX. You have helped me many times. Love your channel!😍
Awesome! Thank you!
I did not know about tags on profiles. I will be using them.
I will look at tree matches & then look at what information they have. I have found multiple mistakes(I thought the tree owner should know better, obvious mistakes). So now I will look at see what they have and if they have the information that is correct I will save to my tree, but won't attach their tree to my info.
I've just started my second tree because I built my first one using thrulines and other trees thinking it was all reliable. Spent a lot of time on the tree and then going back over it I realise it's full of mistakes. It's unfixable. There should be warnings for this on Ancestry when people start. I was a total noob
Watching you from Nampa Idaho.
Challenge Accepted!! Actually, I started doing the research notes after your presentation on this and I find it so much more helpful than hit-and-miss research notes that I used to do! Thank you, Connie! (Will see you on the FORG presentation in August!!)
Hey Jennifer. Thanks for supporting the channel. Glad the notes are helping. See you at FORG.
I questioned if I’d found the right person for a GGGM in my tree, decided to check the neighbors on the census and found my GGGF living two houses down lol easy work
Yes!
Great video with some great tips for beginners! One thing l rarely do is take info from other people's trres unless it is a photo l know is of someone in mine. I have been guilty of some of the others 😊. Trying to mend my ways. I have found lots of family life stories while researching siblings and l think l found a reason for a falling out of family members on my Dad's side. So much more to learn🤗🇨🇦
Yes... and we're all learning every day. Never stop learning.
Thank you Connie for ALL of your hardwork and sharing of skill (and sins :) to help us in our research. I am curious what streaming platform you are using: eCamm, Streamyard, etc? I was using one for a bookclub, interviews, etc. it was somewhat limited. Wanted to investigate others. Thanks so much for your time.
For this one I was using vMix
Great idea to create a tree tag for "See web link"! 🙂
Thank you! 😊
💕❤️ greetings everyone Melbourne Victoria Australia
Love your videos. I also research Anson County, NC.
Thanks for watching neighbor.
The challenge is on!
Yes! Love it.
Audio is from fine, watching from NJ
Sometimes getting the low hanging fruit (hints) is key to developing a single family. This would be before you get specific information At that point I would develop a research plan
On #1 I did in the beginning copy the info. Now I use it to see if they have the same as I do. If they have different info then I look back through my documents to see if I made an error. I was surprised to find I've made a few errors, and was able to correct them.
Excellent. Yeah... we all did it in the beginning.
Great video Connie!! You mentioned adding a weblink to a floating tree/person - would you add the weblink of the profile you feel the floater would belong to? Could there be other weblinks I should look for?
What I was talking about is adding a weblink in your ancestors profile to the floated and visa versa. So you want to make sure you have a weblink in the floaters profile back to the ancestor. It's actually easier just to create a custom tree tag that you name as Floater or Floating Tree... so you can filter (in your tree view) to the floaters in your tree. We used the weblinks before Tree Tags were a thing. :)
Always enjoy your vidios....Igoing to go back tomorrow and start doing your ideas......
Awesome! Thank you!
Family lore: 1) Greatgreatgrandfather (profession: miller) died from "silicosis" from the flour he breathed in his job - reality: tuberculosis. 2) Greatgrandfather died from lymph gland cancer - reality: complications after hernia operation.
Well there you go. You managed to find the proof and document it. Yay!
Sometimes the Thrulines doesn't show the match because of different spelling. Totally agree with Connie. USE As Hints. Do Genealogy.
I once tracked the source records that Ancestry users were citing and eventually ended up back on my own tree as the original source! If I am not sure I just check the "maybe" instead.
Dang! I missed the live.😪 I was at work. 🤪 Going to watch the replay on my lunch break! 😊
Family lore was all I had to begin with. My grandmother didn’t even know her mother‘s true name. The Lord was my starting point, and I jumped from there to finding the I’ll be out in a minute stitches it’s OK records, and tracing the proof
Oh, my that ended up garbled mess didn’t it? That’s what I get for dictating while my cat hollers at me for being behind a close door. The “LORE“ was my starting point…. 😂
Good Morning from Florida Love your RUclips videos
Thanks so much
Hello Connie… Portland Oregon
Very good stuff!
Thanks!
Hello Connie from Morag in Dundee on the east coast of Scotland
Hello Scotland!
I am a white southern woman from NC, with relatives in southern Virginia and North Carolina. My fiancé is a black man with relatives in southern Virginia, and Northern North Carolina. Wish me luck. I am going to deliver some history at his family reunion.
Good luck.
Hello from Rochester Minnesota
In Thru Lines, I pick the person who has the most records/sources and I go into them and look at all the records listed on the profile page or tree for that ancestor. IF I feel confident then I accept that evaluation.
And I have ran in to many who are actually searching for their parents so I do not accept them cart blanc.
#3 is me! 🤪 I need a week, or 4, off work to get it cleaned up!! 😊
Challenge accepted!! I’m a it late but watched in full & picked up a few helpful hints as well.
Awesome! Thank you!
Sounds and looks good!!
Thanks for your continued support.
Awee, missed the Live. Adelaide, Australia here. If I see something for an ancestor from another tree, I put it in that ancestor's Notes to check later.
Hey I have family who live in Adelaide, Australia. :) Small world.
Hey from Ripley, TN
Sometimes, in thrulines, there are dash lines around people that are in my tree.
Hi from Docklands, Victoria AUS
Dave 65 years research from Richmond, Indiana
I can also attest to some family lore truth. While going through my dad's things I found a document written probably in the 60s from my dad's 2nd cousin detailing family history of who married who and what children were born. I have been able to prove 95% of that document as truth from researching the names and people. The only part i have not been able to prove is my 2x great grandfather's parents and his uncles that were supposedly from Virginia and moved to kentucky in the early 1800s.
Oh that sounds like gold when you find a document like that.
Here from Denver.
Hello from Southwest Utah!
Lubbock, Texas
You’re brilliant, I love you
Thanks
Audio great. Pat- Hooksett NH
Hello from Erlanger KY
I spent years trying to find background on an elusive great-grandfather of my husband would tell the census-taker different ages and birth years every time and we couldn't figure out why he seemed to be avoiding his identity then I finally discovered he had been married shotgun-style to a sixteen-year-old girl with a baby and a few years later he was gone had married my husband's great-grandmother and left the woman and child before divorces all Irish Catholic. Bigamist
I'm really new and I will copy information if it's something I already know from personal family knowledge
Stick around. You’ll learn a lot on this channel.
One error I find is on familysearch. When you do attach hints or records, please attach to every family member mentioned! Simeone finds a marriage record and attaches to lets say the groom and his parents but doesnt attach to tbe wife or her parents even though they are listed. You do not need to search out and attach to the minister etc. Familysearch has a limit of records you can attach to an individual (200). I found someone attaching records of things like her in laws marriage! She is not mentioned at all. So she has hit the 200 limit and I cant attach records where she is mentioned.
Another one of my great grandfather baptized a lot of people. He was narried twice (his 1st wife died) and between the 2 wives, he had 14 children. We do not need every record of everyone he baptized. I have seen obituaries where someone mentiones someone famous they admired. No, Abraham Lincoln does not need to be attached to every source that mentions a person admired him!
As much as I personally dislike "lives" because they are so scattered that I cannot focus on the lesson, I did get something from this. Quit raking the leaves. It is so discouraging to find a direct connection to your family only to find they copied the wrong information from another wrong tree. I'd like to fall in love (or at least like) with the FS Wiki. Looking for something to help me do that. Thanks Connie.
Enjoy the journey @genealogygrandmother