Good tip on meeting people half way - if someone is already a LoTR/Star Wars/Marvel/Game of Thrones/footbal fan, lure them in with the related game. Added bonus, it gives you an excuse to collect a new game!
You forgot to mention Fallout Wasteland Warfare and Skyrim tabletop. I know some people who seem very interested in the fallout one so they can be NCR fighting Enclave.
"skipping over jargon as someone maybe new" In the words of Stan Lee "every comic is someone's first comic" being able to jump in and understand is very important for opening communities up.
Here in the UK, for a lot of people there has long been a...negative view of wargaming and tabletop (its shifting now, particularly with board games), but a lot of people still feel that pressure. But being a shameless pair of nerds, the wife and I quite often will post on facebook the models we painted, or a picture of the game we played and honestly the amount of people you are connected with who will sidle up in the tea room and whisper *I saw that thing you posted on facebook...I used to play/always been interested, but I never knew anyone else was*
The UK's attitude towards it confuses the heck out of me. On the one hand they'll call it "playing with children's toys!", and on the other they'll say "those rules are too complicated for me!"... Guess it's just plain old not wanting to stand out from the crowd, as always. Bleh. Fun fact whilst I'm here, though; H.G. Wells, an Englishman, created "Little Wars", generally regarded as the very first wargame involving scale models. So I guess it's about as traditional a British activity as it gets.
I've moved from the UK to Canada and everyone around me now finds the hobby cool where I kept it somewhat concealed in the UK due to past ridicule. It's baffling, especially as GW is a UK company.
I got my family into Wargaming during lockdown, my 6 yr old loves it - we were even featured in a BBC article about it! Keeping the rules simple, and making it fun are critical!
I started when I got back into playing Dungeons & Dragons as an adult. Then painted minis for the party and fell in love with the craft. Wargaming was a natural progression from there!
Gaslands was a gateway game for my friends, they still haven't taken the plunge into full on wargaming, but they're open to the idea now, and one of them is interested in starting to paint minis. Events are in motion...
That thing about jargon is really good advice, I was helping a friend of mine with his first destiny raid and he spent the whole raid not knowing what people ment by "ProK"ing the boss
I've started buying cheap minis for my boys. They absolutely love them and get a lot of pride out of their painting (don't look after them very well after that unfortunately). Recently I've made a small gaming board using some chipboard, polystyrene and leftover basing stuff and ordered some 15mm fantasy minis for them. It's not quite what I'd like to play but it's a great way to spend time with them and still enjoy my hobby at least a bit For anyone struggling to find people to play with I'd also highly recommend using solo friendly rulesets. It's not quite the same as playing with a buddy but it still let's you enjoy your hobby
I agree my young boys also love playing one page rules with my old Warhammer stuff. I also made a very simple World War II 15 mm rules for them using my fire and fury models. Very simple and stats for infantry and tanks. One die roll equals kill. We even use popsicle sticks as measurement tools.
I have found simply asking works. Hence why my wife got a new Dust army for our anniversary, and was literally ecstatic about it. Granted, shes pretty dam good at the game as well.
Your point on jargon is a life lesson as well as a hobby lesson. At lot of people in their working life could do with learning to drop the jargon and "business babble".
Every weekend when my mom and I are off Work we've been playing Warhammer Warcry with some teams I painted just to use with her! She's been using her wood elves sometimes and Stormcast other times to great effect against my skaven, and the wins/losses are pretty split! Its very amusing hearing my 60 year old mom say how she crit my rats and killed them!
Great video. As a University Professor who teaches economics, I think almost all the rules you mention apply to my job--to almost all pedagogical aspects at least. The most important one, avoid jargon. Most people are afraid of jargon (math and verbal). But once they understand the logic behind the reasoning, things get easier almost automatically. Jargon facilitates communication between people who already are into it, but they act as an important obstacle for would-be practitioners.
With the first lockdown last year, I got my spouse to play AOS (and actually played it for the first time myself). Reducing the game to the very core of the rulebook and only the units inherent abilities made it quite simple to start. From there we introduced something new with each game (spells, relics, faction abilities...). Still the entry level is high, compared to boardgames (even compared to TI3/4 or Forbidden Stars). So many moving parts (and parts to move) and the felt time investment is on another level. I try to keep my turns as fast as possible to reduce downtime and give us more time to discuss her turns. I also make sure my army is never higher in points than hers (lets say 980 - 1040 so just how the units turn out), to offset the knowledge I have from reading rulebooks/codices and watching batreps.
Adam, you do a great job of reducing jargon and providing context. There have been several times in your videos I'm like " Folks may not know this" and then you immediately break into a fantastic explanation. As for me, I enjoy two piece starter sets, mostly to game with my young boys (who don't have the income or skill to get into the hobby, but have a very strong interest).
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I plan to start my son on minis gaming exactly the same way I got started. He's two now so we will have to wait maybe 4-5 years but I will start him with Battlemaster as I was started. I roll out the big mat with all the hexes on it , shuffle up the deck and then Go for it.
Uncle Atom I think that you may have mislabeled/titled this video. I believe that you meant to say "How to get your friends and family members into the plastic, resin and metal crack addiction!" But jokes aside, thank you for the video. I also totally agree with the not crushing them for the first few games. If anything I would say to throw the game, without being obvious that you're throwing it, simply because most people are far more likely to want to play again after a win or two than a loss. I learned that trick from playing video game fighting games with a few of my ex girlfriends back in 1990's.
I switched from warhammer to OnePageRules Age of Fantasy and my friends and girlfriend have been much more receptive to it. Simple and fast-paced rather than slow and complicated. My mom was super easy to get into the hobby side of things because she loves arts and crafts, so I got her a box of Sylvaneth and she's loved it ever since
Awesome advice as always, expounding on your points is make sure to be patient and Methodical, letting people ask questions and making sure they are on the same page and comfortable with your answers during the first game.
I agree with every point you make here, Uncle Atom. I think the most important one is not to be pushy. No one likes to be cooerced or strong-armed into doing anything, and you're more likely to turn them off completely that way. Also, not "crushing" new players is key. Who does such a person hope to impress by doing that, and where's the satisfaction in it? I'd rather deliberately play badly and have the newbie crush ME, because that would be funny, and give them the confidence to keep coming back! 😂
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Rangers of Shadow Deep has gotten quite a few of my Friends into tabletop. I handle painting up all the monsters and terrain while they focus on painting up their Rangers.
You gotta make it fun for new people and over the years I've found that a great way to do that is to not only to not crush them, but to do your best to help them win. Not so much that you play to lose, but to just give the new person every opportunity to have their models do their "cool" things. Same with hobbying. I've yet to meet the person who thinks scraping off mouldlines is the most fun thing ever, but if you have a mini or 2 cleaned up and ready to paint, sitting down and doing that with the new person can be great and leave them wanting to do more.
@@drowningin lol if you are my wife or a good friend of mine who genuinely wants to give painting a go for the first time? Sure thing. But after that, you're on your own.
Great tips man! I’ve been trying to introduce my friends and family to 40k and have recently obtained Kill Team to do that. I got rejected by a few an thankfully didn’t push anyone, but had a bunch that wanted to with a small skirmish game, so I went an purchased First Strike. I’ve already played a couple of games with a few of my family members, and had a my brothers ask about bigger games and show interest in coming to the local store to watch and play. Keep it up man!
Having your own stuff ready gets people into it way easier Just having something eye catching like silver necrons or bright yellow marines works well and people might like the astethic
I would say that Blackstone Fortress was a great starter since that is cooperative and not competitive - that is always a great way to help them learn mechanics when starting.
I think it's worth putting out there that if your a kid and you want your mom or dad to play miniatures games then you should try to be more forward with them about it then "ask once and never again" When I started painting minis at like 13 years old my dad supported me in terms of gifts of models and driving me to the store for games with others or a tournament. But I never really pushed to have him game with me at home and I really regret that.
Something I've done is simplifying rules for some of the first games. Game 1 may be 150 points and us only using unit statlines without chapter traits, stratagems, objectives, or anything like that. Maybe in the second or third game there's 1 objective in the middle of the board, 1 point per turn to the player who controls it. There's command points, but we only spend them on CP rerolls or overwatch. I like to slowly introduce them to the rules over time, especially if 40k is their first tabletop game.
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Very good advice. I recommend every gamer expand their scope at least a little to help foster people into the hobby. I was gaming before GW was a thing and I am still a fan of 'simple rules are better' and 'less is more'. Add to that the axiom (Atomian?) 'any game is minis agnostic if you believe in yourself'. and you can expand your gaming and opponent options. Two games that fill the bill are One Hour Wargames, which has simple rules and lots of basic historical architypes and scenarios, and Battle Blocks: Sengoku. Sengoku is a fun DIY type game which gets you war gaming on the cheap in the old school style.
Dead Man's Hand is a great game to get people into tabletop wargaming. About 6 wild west gunfighter models each, miniature agnostic, simple ruleset can be summarised on 1/2 page. Rules and cards for the game are super cheap. Only need 1 set of cards to get playing (use half the deck each one reds one blacks).
Eh. My son and I went from having no gaming experience to having about 1300pt of astartes and 570 of necrons. We probably should've started with kill team.
My wife is mainly a boardgamer, but loves anime. I painted up some Relic Knights and she loves it; it's got both anime in its theme and eurogamey resource/hand management in its combat system.
Great video. Simple and small is the way to go and makes things easier later when you want to introduce more complex rules. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.
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My friend is not a fan of wargaming but LOVES assembling and painting, instead of attaching his models to bases he creates little scenes and attaches them directly.
"Don't Crush 'em" is the one I've issues doing at times. At the FLGS, I've had a couple folks with their first game, and I'm very patient and very informative. I'll make sure to get their rules right and I'll even give helpful advice on how to beat my units or what weaknesses or anything. I just can't seem to "play down" with my own guys really. Not that there's a lot of variety in what I can do, and it's a dice game, but sometimes I worry that maybe I should have, er, done "less". By the same token, I don't want to try my new army while they learn their stuff either, because both of us trying to find pages in a book for our stuff is kind of a tedious thing. I haven't had any problems with losing players and we all keep things friendly, so I don't think it's been an issue, but it is on my mind sometimes. The aftergame discussions have all gone good I think. There was another established player that fought against a new guy and I guess the new guy felt overwhelmed quickly and it turned him off, so it can be a definite balancing act.
Also, the models have a natural bridge from model building of course, but you'd be amazed how many Lego guys are out there that would probably love to build up an army. It can be intimidating though, and it's a big $ investment.
May I suggest that if you want someone who isn't very game orientated into 40k then the fiction might be a way forward. My wife is now a big Eisenhorn fan.
I got my family to play Battletech AGOAC with me by doing teams and just having each person control only 1 mech. We did a 3 v 3 and it went great. As the players get more comfortable with the game we can gradually add in more mechs and more rules.
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I would start how I got my roommate interested in anime. He loved reading military scifi, so I started watching Full Metal Panic, a funny military scifi with the mc as a capable military person, but clueless about civilian life, and it wasn't long till he was over watching it with me. So long story short, target an interest of theirs that aligns with the hobby, especially if they are geek enough to be into other games. Just don't overwhelm them with too much info, start small and walk them through.
I showed my cousin 40k last night for the first time, we did a very simple, primary objectives only, skirmish. Probably 400-600 points. He really enjoyed it, and he's usually the Call of Duty type gamer. I agree with you to go slow, and add more layers over time when they newbie is ready 🤙
My experiences, I painted my first miniature in 1980. Over the yrs my family was never interested as they weren't interested in that type of gaming & no Tolkien, etc. Today, its only my male cousin who has developed an interest in painting miniatures as he games, paints miniatures with best friends. My family shows me they couldn't care less. I asked my sister if she would photograph my current painted miniatures, the photos I wanted to put up on facebook, but my sister said she didn't want to, turned her back on me & went to her bedroom. So, what do I do? I've tried reaching out but no one seems to care.
Barely one minute in and my first reaction is; definitely ask and make sure they feel included and welcome; but, if they know you're in the hobby, likely they would have expressed interest by now. "Your wargaming looks fun, may I join you?" kind of thing.
Im starting frostgrave with my wife after being together for 15 years. Im leaving the "fun" stuff to her and picking up all the NPC painting and terrain as those are not her thing. Im a GOW TY player but thats not her thing, so we sat down and found a game together that looks interesting.
Give Doomsday countdown a try 3 intercessors and the Blackstone Fortress cultists on a randomly generated hex tile board. easy to play, not too long around 40 minutes or so. also has the advantage of being 1-3 (4) players available from Game and Barnes and Noble
I really like the B&N/GW games. The only issue are for the people outside the US and Germany. However the Space Marine Adventures games are being made available in the UK.
So I'm my game stores resident painter. I used to play Warhammer back in like 7th? I think and never got super into the game (not that I didn't want to) sold out and one of the employees that played the one of the space marine video games asked me if I'd ever play Warhammer I said ya but didn't want to commit fully to something someone wasn't sure they wanted to play. Having built a community for a Mtg format in my area I understand the fraise build it and they will come. So I bought and started working on 2 kill team forces (necrons & grey knights) and there has been a small interest but I'm still working on painting well the owner of the game store is now carrying GW products and I have a group of about 6 players buying models to get ready to play kill team to start eventually working up to 40k. I am having a small delema of one person being more interested in AOS over 40k so I think we will have to do warcry and kill team and I may have to build an army in both. Good thing I know what I want to play on both sides of the coin. (Grey Knights, Lumineth Realm Lords). I definitely agree with it being easier to introduce someone to this hobby and game by already having stuff ready to go to teach someone the game like kill team. I also think a lot of gamers are interested in Warhammer but when they think of it they think of big tables and sprawling armies with lots of minis and while that is true the skirmish versions are a great entry point for teaching and price, but also to break the stigma of what people think of when they hear the word Warhammer.
When trying to get children or some adults into gaming start by helping them develop the skills they need to play one at a time. So a card game like Uno/top trumps for managing cards. A simple game with dice to build fluency like Snakes and Ladders/frustration. A simple strategy game like Risk/magic the gathering to ease them into thinking strategically. Then once they have a good grasp on these basics you can start putting it all together in games like Warhammer Underworlds.
it’s hard to get someone to pursue to start that hobby. Because of many things. 1) Firstly, it is quite an expensive hobby for ordinary average people. 2) Secondly, you pretty much need to have the artistic ability to be happy with how you painted that 28mm mini. 3) And the last rules of the game can be complicated and a bit difficult for a beginner. I adore warhammer and I have been following that world since childhood, but there is always something I would like to do with money, to travel somewhere, to buy an electrical device ... to renovate a house. But I think when I will when im became old that I will take this hobby seriously 😂
I've begun introducing my friend into wargaming. I started with re-introducing him to imperial assault, a game we have played for a few years on. Next is marvel Criss protocol, eventually I will move on to frostgrave or star wars legion
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Love the t-shirt but noticed it is not available in your Merch Bunker. Will it be available anytime in the future. My husband would love it for Christmas. Got him a Pa-Chow T shirt last Christmas.
Brought the recruit edition of 40k. So I've got a small space Marine army atm. I'm hoping I can get the misses into it. She's curious, but only for the game side
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Zombicide to arcadia quest to deadzone to whatever you want at that point... Coop with minis, to light weight player vs player vs enemy, to a miniatures skirmish game that uses areas instead of rulers, but still relies on line of site, then all you do is replace the zone for a ruler and you're at a full blown minis game... And my friend, sadly, is a crush the opposition even if they've never played before... His moto... Its not my fault you never read the rules even though I'm teaching you. And thats why I never played warmachine again, even though I've been a wargamer for years :D
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So my dad is VERY interested in my 40k Ultramarines, but he doesn’t really like painting tiny minis and he’s only fairly interested in gameplay. He loves doing airplane model kits, and he likes chess. How should I approach him with 40k?
If nobody else has mentioned “critical role” has become popular and introduced many people young and old into gaming. Makes it a lot easier to ask also co operative games like black stone fortress it’s a all inclusive kit people can just play, Dark Souls Board games as well TTRPG games as well
“Go slowly, I don’t like go big or go home” immediately after I watched your video saying you bought $1700 worth of Tau when you wanted to get started 😂
I don’t ever remember spending $1700 on Tau? I remember special-ordering a bunch Tau from my local store back in the day (before I knew better) but it was like maybe $400 worth. Which video did I say I bought $1700 worth of Tau? I should check that out. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions was the “are you getting into warhammer too fast” at 1:48ish. Maybe you meant points? Also, wasn’t meaning my comment as mean or anything, more of a joke. Thoroughly enjoying your content as someone new to the hobby!
Some people just don’t play games. That’s a fact and that’s OK. I appreciate you emphasized that. Great video. Oh you can totally find new family! They just might not be related to you. 😜
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Wings of Glory is a perfect intro game. Pre-painted, reasonably priced minis (you only need 1 or 2), and you all play simultaneously no nobody gets bored. After that, skirmish games with basic rules... Then hundreds of board games and bankruptcy...🤪😚😇
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I've tried it with a few friends. They like the idea of it but have little interest or aptitude for learning the rules. When it has worked I'll invite them to have a skirmish game (got enough to ready to play) and let them beat me. Maybe do that twice. Get them hooked. Then the gloves come off.
Having children and introducing a strict "you don't play you don't eat" policy works best.
"And if you win, you get people food!"
@@TheBobcatlover was going to add this. You don't win you don't eat.
"But dad you have a $2k army, and you gave me 4 space marines"
@@drowningin The Emperor protects my child... the Emperor protects.
"If you don't win you get another ration of corpsestarch, sorry!"
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Good tip on meeting people half way - if someone is already a LoTR/Star Wars/Marvel/Game of Thrones/footbal fan, lure them in with the related game. Added bonus, it gives you an excuse to collect a new game!
Yes the movie equivalent is a great transition. Ie Star Wars, Aliens, Pacific Rim, LOTR.
I already collect so much though 😅
You forgot to mention Fallout Wasteland Warfare and Skyrim tabletop. I know some people who seem very interested in the fallout one so they can be NCR fighting Enclave.
@@TheBobcatlover Collecting minis is like Dakka, there is never enough!
"skipping over jargon as someone maybe new"
In the words of Stan Lee "every comic is someone's first comic" being able to jump in and understand is very important for opening communities up.
Here in the UK, for a lot of people there has long been a...negative view of wargaming and tabletop (its shifting now, particularly with board games), but a lot of people still feel that pressure. But being a shameless pair of nerds, the wife and I quite often will post on facebook the models we painted, or a picture of the game we played and honestly the amount of people you are connected with who will sidle up in the tea room and whisper *I saw that thing you posted on facebook...I used to play/always been interested, but I never knew anyone else was*
The UK's attitude towards it confuses the heck out of me. On the one hand they'll call it "playing with children's toys!", and on the other they'll say "those rules are too complicated for me!"... Guess it's just plain old not wanting to stand out from the crowd, as always. Bleh.
Fun fact whilst I'm here, though; H.G. Wells, an Englishman, created "Little Wars", generally regarded as the very first wargame involving scale models. So I guess it's about as traditional a British activity as it gets.
I've moved from the UK to Canada and everyone around me now finds the hobby cool where I kept it somewhat concealed in the UK due to past ridicule. It's baffling, especially as GW is a UK company.
I got my family into Wargaming during lockdown, my 6 yr old loves it - we were even featured in a BBC article about it!
Keeping the rules simple, and making it fun are critical!
Well done, I read that piece :)
Thanks!
@@Garfey Can you link the article?
I read it!
That's an awesome shirt Uncle Atom. PACHOW!
Lockdown and a lack of boardgames really helped me get my partner into Warcry - she doesn't want to paint anything, but really enjoys the game itself!
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For the channel!
For the emperor!
The Emperor protects!
I started when I got back into playing Dungeons & Dragons as an adult. Then painted minis for the party and fell in love with the craft. Wargaming was a natural progression from there!
Gaslands was a gateway game for my friends, they still haven't taken the plunge into full on wargaming, but they're open to the idea now, and one of them is interested in starting to paint minis. Events are in motion...
I love your part on 'don't crush em'. Hilarious. Hey wanna play this new game do you, can I crush your soul? No takers?
That thing about jargon is really good advice, I was helping a friend of mine with his first destiny raid and he spent the whole raid not knowing what people ment by "ProK"ing the boss
I've started buying cheap minis for my boys. They absolutely love them and get a lot of pride out of their painting (don't look after them very well after that unfortunately). Recently I've made a small gaming board using some chipboard, polystyrene and leftover basing stuff and ordered some 15mm fantasy minis for them. It's not quite what I'd like to play but it's a great way to spend time with them and still enjoy my hobby at least a bit
For anyone struggling to find people to play with I'd also highly recommend using solo friendly rulesets. It's not quite the same as playing with a buddy but it still let's you enjoy your hobby
I agree my young boys also love playing one page rules with my old Warhammer stuff. I also made a very simple World War II 15 mm rules for them using my fire and fury models. Very simple and stats for infantry and tanks. One die roll equals kill. We even use popsicle sticks as measurement tools.
True one page rules has a great solo play rule set. And its Free!!!!!
I'm slowly hooking my wife into the hobby with Burrows & Badgers. Mainly through the mini painting and terrain crafting angle.
I have found simply asking works. Hence why my wife got a new Dust army for our anniversary, and was literally ecstatic about it. Granted, shes pretty dam good at the game as well.
Your point on jargon is a life lesson as well as a hobby lesson. At lot of people in their working life could do with learning to drop the jargon and "business babble".
Every weekend when my mom and I are off Work we've been playing Warhammer Warcry with some teams I painted just to use with her! She's been using her wood elves sometimes and Stormcast other times to great effect against my skaven, and the wins/losses are pretty split! Its very amusing hearing my 60 year old mom say how she crit my rats and killed them!
Great video. As a University Professor who teaches economics, I think almost all the rules you mention apply to my job--to almost all pedagogical aspects at least. The most important one, avoid jargon. Most people are afraid of jargon (math and verbal). But once they understand the logic behind the reasoning, things get easier almost automatically. Jargon facilitates communication between people who already are into it, but they act as an important obstacle for would-be practitioners.
With the first lockdown last year, I got my spouse to play AOS (and actually played it for the first time myself). Reducing the game to the very core of the rulebook and only the units inherent abilities made it quite simple to start. From there we introduced something new with each game (spells, relics, faction abilities...). Still the entry level is high, compared to boardgames (even compared to TI3/4 or Forbidden Stars). So many moving parts (and parts to move) and the felt time investment is on another level. I try to keep my turns as fast as possible to reduce downtime and give us more time to discuss her turns.
I also make sure my army is never higher in points than hers (lets say 980 - 1040 so just how the units turn out), to offset the knowledge I have from reading rulebooks/codices and watching batreps.
Adam, you do a great job of reducing jargon and providing context. There have been several times in your videos I'm like " Folks may not know this" and then you immediately break into a fantastic explanation.
As for me, I enjoy two piece starter sets, mostly to game with my young boys (who don't have the income or skill to get into the hobby, but have a very strong interest).
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I plan to start my son on minis gaming exactly the same way I got started.
He's two now so we will have to wait maybe 4-5 years
but I will start him with Battlemaster as I was started.
I roll out the big mat with all the hexes on it , shuffle up the deck and then Go for it.
"Most people, they just wanna roll dice and have the little people shoot at each other." I'm dying. 🤣
Uncle Atom I think that you may have mislabeled/titled this video. I believe that you meant to say "How to get your friends and family members into the plastic, resin and metal crack addiction!"
But jokes aside, thank you for the video. I also totally agree with the not crushing them for the first few games. If anything I would say to throw the game, without being obvious that you're throwing it, simply because most people are far more likely to want to play again after a win or two than a loss.
I learned that trick from playing video game fighting games with a few of my ex girlfriends back in 1990's.
People prone to addictions and hoarding disorders are great targets actually!
I switched from warhammer to OnePageRules Age of Fantasy and my friends and girlfriend have been much more receptive to it. Simple and fast-paced rather than slow and complicated. My mom was super easy to get into the hobby side of things because she loves arts and crafts, so I got her a box of Sylvaneth and she's loved it ever since
Awesome advice as always, expounding on your points is make sure to be patient and Methodical, letting people ask questions and making sure they are on the same page and comfortable with your answers during the first game.
I agree with every point you make here, Uncle Atom. I think the most important one is not to be pushy. No one likes to be cooerced or strong-armed into doing anything, and you're more likely to turn them off completely that way. Also, not "crushing" new players is key. Who does such a person hope to impress by doing that, and where's the satisfaction in it? I'd rather deliberately play badly and have the newbie crush ME, because that would be funny, and give them the confidence to keep coming back! 😂
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Rangers of Shadow Deep has gotten quite a few of my Friends into tabletop. I handle painting up all the monsters and terrain while they focus on painting up their Rangers.
You gotta make it fun for new people and over the years I've found that a great way to do that is to not only to not crush them, but to do your best to help them win. Not so much that you play to lose, but to just give the new person every opportunity to have their models do their "cool" things. Same with hobbying. I've yet to meet the person who thinks scraping off mouldlines is the most fun thing ever, but if you have a mini or 2 cleaned up and ready to paint, sitting down and doing that with the new person can be great and leave them wanting to do more.
Did you just offer to prep my models?
@@drowningin lol if you are my wife or a good friend of mine who genuinely wants to give painting a go for the first time? Sure thing. But after that, you're on your own.
Great tips man! I’ve been trying to introduce my friends and family to 40k and have recently obtained Kill Team to do that. I got rejected by a few an thankfully didn’t push anyone, but had a bunch that wanted to with a small skirmish game, so I went an purchased First Strike. I’ve already played a couple of games with a few of my family members, and had a my brothers ask about bigger games and show interest in coming to the local store to watch and play. Keep it up man!
One Page Rules is pretty good starter game.
Always a pleasure watching your videos!
Having your own stuff ready gets people into it way easier
Just having something eye catching like silver necrons or bright yellow marines works well and people might like the astethic
Space crusade 25 years ago got me into the hobby/gaming. And it’s still an awesome game…
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I would say that Blackstone Fortress was a great starter since that is cooperative and not competitive - that is always a great way to help them learn mechanics when starting.
I think it's worth putting out there that if your a kid and you want your mom or dad to play miniatures games then you should try to be more forward with them about it then "ask once and never again" When I started painting minis at like 13 years old my dad supported me in terms of gifts of models and driving me to the store for games with others or a tournament. But I never really pushed to have him game with me at home and I really regret that.
I'm making this video mandatory viewing for my grandson. That is a really nice shirt BTW. Cheers.
Something I've done is simplifying rules for some of the first games. Game 1 may be 150 points and us only using unit statlines without chapter traits, stratagems, objectives, or anything like that. Maybe in the second or third game there's 1 objective in the middle of the board, 1 point per turn to the player who controls it. There's command points, but we only spend them on CP rerolls or overwatch. I like to slowly introduce them to the rules over time, especially if 40k is their first tabletop game.
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Very good advice. I recommend every gamer expand their scope at least a little to help foster people into the hobby. I was gaming before GW was a thing and I am still a fan of 'simple rules are better' and 'less is more'. Add to that the axiom (Atomian?) 'any game is minis agnostic if you believe in yourself'. and you can expand your gaming and opponent options. Two games that fill the bill are One Hour Wargames, which has simple rules and lots of basic historical architypes and scenarios, and Battle Blocks: Sengoku. Sengoku is a fun DIY type game which gets you war gaming on the cheap in the old school style.
Dead Man's Hand is a great game to get people into tabletop wargaming. About 6 wild west gunfighter models each, miniature agnostic, simple ruleset can be summarised on 1/2 page. Rules and cards for the game are super cheap. Only need 1 set of cards to get playing (use half the deck each one reds one blacks).
Eh. My son and I went from having no gaming experience to having about 1300pt of astartes and 570 of necrons. We probably should've started with kill team.
My wife is mainly a boardgamer, but loves anime. I painted up some Relic Knights and she loves it; it's got both anime in its theme and eurogamey resource/hand management in its combat system.
When you eventually crush the person that originally coached you in Star Trek: Attack Wing:
" Glory to you, and to your hoouussee!!"
Great video. Simple and small is the way to go and makes things easier later when you want to introduce more complex rules. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.
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I'm amazed how well the gaming hobby has worked to get rid of my old family! Critical successes!
Thank you so much for this video. You the best Uncle Adam.
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Why would you say L.O.S. instead of Line of Sight? It's the same number of syllables. It's like H.P. vs Hit Points, it's not any shorter to say.
My friend is not a fan of wargaming but LOVES assembling and painting, instead of attaching his models to bases he creates little scenes and attaches them directly.
"Don't Crush 'em" is the one I've issues doing at times. At the FLGS, I've had a couple folks with their first game, and I'm very patient and very informative. I'll make sure to get their rules right and I'll even give helpful advice on how to beat my units or what weaknesses or anything. I just can't seem to "play down" with my own guys really. Not that there's a lot of variety in what I can do, and it's a dice game, but sometimes I worry that maybe I should have, er, done "less".
By the same token, I don't want to try my new army while they learn their stuff either, because both of us trying to find pages in a book for our stuff is kind of a tedious thing.
I haven't had any problems with losing players and we all keep things friendly, so I don't think it's been an issue, but it is on my mind sometimes. The aftergame discussions have all gone good I think. There was another established player that fought against a new guy and I guess the new guy felt overwhelmed quickly and it turned him off, so it can be a definite balancing act.
Also, the models have a natural bridge from model building of course, but you'd be amazed how many Lego guys are out there that would probably love to build up an army. It can be intimidating though, and it's a big $ investment.
Please, consider dividing your videos into chapters, thanks!
Excellent material!
"Space Marine Adventures" was the gateway game for my wife into 40k. A very simplified version of 40k, think age 12+.
May I suggest that if you want someone who isn't very game orientated into 40k then the fiction might be a way forward. My wife is now a big Eisenhorn fan.
I got my family to play Battletech AGOAC with me by doing teams and just having each person control only 1 mech. We did a 3 v 3 and it went great. As the players get more comfortable with the game we can gradually add in more mechs and more rules.
I needed this
I needed this so much
Wise words and I have been trying to get friends and family interested in table top gaming, this video has been very useful cheers Uncle Atom.
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Meeting halfway can work. There is no way I could convince my wife to play 40k or Kill Team, but she legitimately enjoys Blackstone Fortress.
Whatever you do, don't force it. Nothing good comes from that.
I would start how I got my roommate interested in anime. He loved reading military scifi, so I started watching Full Metal Panic, a funny military scifi with the mc as a capable military person, but clueless about civilian life, and it wasn't long till he was over watching it with me.
So long story short, target an interest of theirs that aligns with the hobby, especially if they are geek enough to be into other games. Just don't overwhelm them with too much info, start small and walk them through.
That shirt is amazing.
I showed my cousin 40k last night for the first time, we did a very simple, primary objectives only, skirmish. Probably 400-600 points. He really enjoyed it, and he's usually the Call of Duty type gamer. I agree with you to go slow, and add more layers over time when they newbie is ready 🤙
My experiences, I painted my first miniature in 1980. Over the yrs my family was never interested as they weren't interested in that type of gaming & no Tolkien, etc. Today, its only my male cousin who has developed an interest in painting miniatures as he games, paints miniatures with best friends. My family shows me they couldn't care less. I asked my sister if she would photograph my current painted miniatures, the photos I wanted to put up on facebook, but my sister said she didn't want to, turned her back on me & went to her bedroom. So, what do I do? I've tried reaching out but no one seems to care.
That shirt is f'ing amazing!
Very wise thank you for your wisdom brother help a lot thank you for this video.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Sobh baby!! Perfect for newbies. I taught 3rd graders this!
Barely one minute in and my first reaction is; definitely ask and make sure they feel included and welcome; but, if they know you're in the hobby, likely they would have expressed interest by now. "Your wargaming looks fun, may I join you?" kind of thing.
Looks like spam replies to me, faking being Uncle Atom...
Im starting frostgrave with my wife after being together for 15 years. Im leaving the "fun" stuff to her and picking up all the NPC painting and terrain as those are not her thing. Im a GOW TY player but thats not her thing, so we sat down and found a game together that looks interesting.
Give Doomsday countdown a try 3 intercessors and the Blackstone Fortress cultists on a randomly generated hex tile board. easy to play, not too long around 40 minutes or so. also has the advantage of being 1-3 (4) players available from Game and Barnes and Noble
I really like the B&N/GW games. The only issue are for the people outside the US and Germany. However the Space Marine Adventures games are being made available in the UK.
So I'm my game stores resident painter. I used to play Warhammer back in like 7th? I think and never got super into the game (not that I didn't want to) sold out and one of the employees that played the one of the space marine video games asked me if I'd ever play Warhammer I said ya but didn't want to commit fully to something someone wasn't sure they wanted to play. Having built a community for a Mtg format in my area I understand the fraise build it and they will come. So I bought and started working on 2 kill team forces (necrons & grey knights) and there has been a small interest but I'm still working on painting well the owner of the game store is now carrying GW products and I have a group of about 6 players buying models to get ready to play kill team to start eventually working up to 40k. I am having a small delema of one person being more interested in AOS over 40k so I think we will have to do warcry and kill team and I may have to build an army in both. Good thing I know what I want to play on both sides of the coin. (Grey Knights, Lumineth Realm Lords).
I definitely agree with it being easier to introduce someone to this hobby and game by already having stuff ready to go to teach someone the game like kill team.
I also think a lot of gamers are interested in Warhammer but when they think of it they think of big tables and sprawling armies with lots of minis and while that is true the skirmish versions are a great entry point for teaching and price, but also to break the stigma of what people think of when they hear the word Warhammer.
When trying to get children or some adults into gaming start by helping them develop the skills they need to play one at a time. So a card game like Uno/top trumps for managing cards. A simple game with dice to build fluency like Snakes and Ladders/frustration. A simple strategy game like Risk/magic the gathering to ease them into thinking strategically. Then once they have a good grasp on these basics you can start putting it all together in games like Warhammer Underworlds.
it’s hard to get someone to pursue to start that hobby. Because of many things.
1) Firstly, it is quite an expensive hobby for ordinary average people.
2) Secondly, you pretty much need to have the artistic ability to be happy with how you painted that 28mm mini.
3) And the last rules of the game can be complicated and a bit difficult for a beginner.
I adore warhammer and I have been following that world since childhood, but there is always something I would like to do with money, to travel somewhere, to buy an electrical device ... to renovate a house. But I think when I will when im became old that I will take this hobby seriously 😂
I've begun introducing my friend into wargaming.
I started with re-introducing him to imperial assault, a game we have played for a few years on. Next is marvel Criss protocol, eventually I will move on to frostgrave or star wars legion
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Love the t-shirt but noticed it is not available in your Merch Bunker. Will it be available anytime in the future. My husband would love it for Christmas. Got him a Pa-Chow T shirt last Christmas.
Brought the recruit edition of 40k. So I've got a small space Marine army atm. I'm hoping I can get the misses into it. She's curious, but only for the game side
The plague marine Atom shirt is amazing!
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I have had a hard time finding
"my jam" partly because I have a hard time finishing projects.
My brother isn't too into stories, but he loves comedy. That's how I got him into orks.
Zombicide to arcadia quest to deadzone to whatever you want at that point... Coop with minis, to light weight player vs player vs enemy, to a miniatures skirmish game that uses areas instead of rulers, but still relies on line of site, then all you do is replace the zone for a ruler and you're at a full blown minis game...
And my friend, sadly, is a crush the opposition even if they've never played before... His moto... Its not my fault you never read the rules even though I'm teaching you. And thats why I never played warmachine again, even though I've been a wargamer for years :D
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Pretty good video, sir 👍
Nice T shirt.
So my dad is VERY interested in my 40k Ultramarines, but he doesn’t really like painting tiny minis and he’s only fairly interested in gameplay. He loves doing airplane model kits, and he likes chess. How should I approach him with 40k?
If nobody else has mentioned “critical role” has become popular and introduced many people young and old into gaming. Makes it a lot easier to ask also co operative games like black stone fortress it’s a all inclusive kit people can just play, Dark Souls Board games as well
TTRPG games as well
I wouldn't want any of MY horrible family spoiling it.
Really like the shirt!
If you sell the shirt you are wearing then we can all game with you Uncle Atom, and that may also be a lure to play a game.
“Go slowly, I don’t like go big or go home” immediately after I watched your video saying you bought $1700 worth of Tau when you wanted to get started 😂
I don’t ever remember spending $1700 on Tau? I remember special-ordering a bunch Tau from my local store back in the day (before I knew better) but it was like maybe $400 worth. Which video did I say I bought $1700 worth of Tau? I should check that out. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions was the “are you getting into warhammer too fast” at 1:48ish. Maybe you meant points? Also, wasn’t meaning my comment as mean or anything, more of a joke. Thoroughly enjoying your content as someone new to the hobby!
Dice play. Big killer for new players. Add a FNG element into first round.
thanks for as if talking to a new player, like me. one thing I can add, as PC gamer myself, XCOM has a lot of overlap with wargaming.
Some people just don’t play games. That’s a fact and that’s OK. I appreciate you emphasized that. Great video. Oh you can totally find new family! They just might not be related to you. 😜
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Wings of Glory is a perfect intro game. Pre-painted, reasonably priced minis (you only need 1 or 2), and you all play simultaneously no nobody gets bored.
After that, skirmish games with basic rules...
Then hundreds of board games and bankruptcy...🤪😚😇
Oof, I can't even get them into chess!
+1 to the Song of Blades and Heroes and the rest of the Ganesha Games systems using that engine.
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Getting the whole one page rules paper cutouts for my brothers birthday
i needed this video
I've tried it with a few friends. They like the idea of it but have little interest or aptitude for learning the rules.
When it has worked I'll invite them to have a skirmish game (got enough to ready to play) and let them beat me. Maybe do that twice. Get them hooked. Then the gloves come off.
Started a new school and no one plays. Gonna use this advice.
Nice shirt!!
threats of violence always works for me
My wife likes horror movies and muder mystery, so i suggested to her Mansions of Madness and she loves it, next up kill team
So chaining them in the basement isn't a good idea?
It's not, you would have to carry models down, it's a hassle. Chain them in your gaming room.
@@mikolajwitkowski8093 good point.