I'm not sure. I wasn't convinced. None of the features attracted me to purchase one of those instead of an aeropress or any other 3rd wave brewer. But thanks for the review man, your insights are great!
I remember seeing this when it came out a couple years ago (maybe on Kickstarter?). Was interested, but when your already have all the other devices that do the same thing, what's the point? I also don't like that it's electric. Has a nice aesthetic, though.
Yeah I believe it was a Kickstarter thing. I’m with you though, it’s he’s right justify if you have a few brewing devices already. It’s not really a game changer, except that vacuum isn’t used all that commonly. It is a great looking piece though. That glass pitcher is super nice.
This is one of those coffee products that I'm happy to watch you use in a video, but have no desire to try myself. Interesting idea but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. Pourover/aero is fine!
Thanks Matt. I’m with you this. It’s definitely an expensive solution to just taking a bit of time to learn your manual brews. But I think my parents will love it. Haha,
I've owned a great many types of brewers through the years. At one point a few years ago I paired a Baratza Maestro grinder and a Technivorm Moccamaster and have had zero need to change. These new devices are interesting put not compelling enough to make me even consider giving up my Technivorm.
This seems like the more expensive version of an aeropress. It seems very niche and I don't see which market segment it is targeting considering that the clean up seems as much as a pain as the french press is.
ethiopianbuffman I’m with you on that. It does create a similar profile as the Aeropress, but the convenience of it gets overshadowed a bit by the clean up.
In my own personal opinion, this method produces results that are very similar to the Immersion approach of the French Press. However, since I want a filtered version of the French Press, the Clever Dripper would be preferable to this method. The ease of clean-up of the Clever Dripper is another plus in its favor. The level of extraction of the clever dripper versus this method would appear to be very comparable, (and much less expensive).
I wish it was designed with the vacuum motor on the outside of the brewer, or as part of the carafe. It works by creating a vacuum inside the carafe. Putting the vacuum inside the middle of the brewer chamber just seems illogical.
I think the perfect brewer for the average consumer would be one that requires only one pour of water on the coffee and then let it drain through. If the brewer can be set up to have an even extraction with minimal attention, then the main focus becomes the roaster conveying the correct recipe and grind size to the customer. I’d love to see a brewer that’s almost considered boring, but incredibly consistent and easy to understand.
I think a brewer like that is the holy grail of the average consumer. Making coffee at home has become more and more popular. So I think that may be a decent way to go for developing a brewer.
I have this and its a great "Showcase" brew device. Like you said cleanup is not fun. I prefer paper filters and was really happy with the screen filter on this! I like it but my aeropress is just so much faster and less cleanup...
Brent Goodale I do agree with you here. As an avid paper filter fan, this mesh one is actually pretty decent. The cleanup and price are hard to get by when it comes to comparing it to an Aeropress, that’s for sure.
The Real Sprometheus still glad I have it and really happy on the quality overall. I kind of remember seeing a paper filter option on Kickstarter in the early days.. I also love the glass quality. I often just drink out of the glass lol
Brent Goodale I’d be surprised if the paper could stand up to the vacuum pressure. But it would be an interesting thing to try. The glass piece is fantastic!
I think the main advantage is much less effort to make a good cup. The V60 seems simple to us, but explaining all the intricate things we do to someone who’s not a coffee person is a challenge.
I see this being an easier French press than a cold brewer, there's a reason you brew for 12 hours with room temperature water and I just don't see how grinding finer makes up for those 12 hours
I have this at home and was disappointed- it got stuck regularly when I did drawn it down - and it is just not easy to clean up after. the grounds remain so hot it was hard to just pick up and throw
I haven’t had the thing get stuck yet, but I asked the owner and they say they recommend taking out and cleaning the filter every use. Which isn’t in the directions that I saw. It definitely can be a pain to take off the pitcher when it’s still super hot too.
I can definitely see problems with that charging port. Just like a cell phone, it's going to wear out and start to work its way loose then it won't work anymore. I'm surprised they haven't improved those ports yet.
Guy Incognito I think it would actually be a cool thing if you needed a coffee maker at work for yourself. Can even charge and use it at your desk. Haha
You pretty much said in a reply to another comment. The brewing convenience is what you're paying for but the cleanup is far from ideal. Maybe if it used paper filters instead, I'd see this being more popular. But then it might just be a clever dripper.
I've been using a buchner funnel for years now . It uses a paper filter and because of that works much better than this . I could get 29% extraction with a vacuum brewer
@@Sprometheus with a really quality green coffee , light roasted , it can taste very good and sweet at high extractions. It's usually only Kenyans that can get that high
You kind of glossed over the fact that the FrankOne brews decent cold brew in a super small amount of time, with a TDS similar to basic cold brew pitchers that take ~24 hours. Not to mention that the speed of extraction is much faster vs a pour over with a paper filter. And the results are more consistent, taking less effort to be good every time. Great review but it felt like you glossed over a lot of the benefits and focused on it "not being as good as a pro-level barista coffee"... of course it isn't...
Ram Pari yeah it’s not something I’d take traveling or anything like that. But I think the niche they are going for is convenience, but falls a bit short. Plus, the price doesn’t help.
Manjeet Singh Bhati I do think I’d prefer the Aeropress overall. But it is more “hands on”. This is super easy to make a good cup of coffee, significantly easier than an Aeropress.
I splurged on the goat story Gina. This one I wouldn’t buy because seriously, I have everything I ever could’ve wanted for coffee brewing, all except an espresso machine (looking at the flair espresso) and the aeropress. Between this and the aeropress, I’d seriously rather go for an aeropress. This one seems very unnecessarily. I’d expect inspector gadget to use this device to make coffee, or the jetsons.
Another coffee gimick. Vacuum or gravity, you are still running water through grinds. It will probably be a garage sale item after tiring of cleaning or the battery dies and can't be replaced.
Hey Spromethius! ...omg I just got your name That's awesome:) !! I always think of my latte and cappuccino as a sweet treat( huge sweet tooth) so I add 1-1.25 teaspoons sugar to whole milk before frothing. Try it, the sugar allows for a deeper evaluation of the acidity... (why the **** am I using teaspoons and not grams??... ugh, anyway whatever that works out to)
Hey! Thanks for watching. Personally I don’t recommend steaming anything with much or any added sugar in an effort to keep things running smoother and cleaner.
Like Cody, the USB charging set-up is a turn-off for me. I will just keep on using my Bodum stainless French press, and my Espro French press. I think the FrankOne is not for serious coffeegeeks, but for guys who are maybe not true coffee nerds like me, but are more gadget nerds who happen to pretend to be into coffee. Just sayin' :):):)
Yeah I have to say the idea of keeping track of another charging cable is just a pain. It’s more of a gadget for sure. Would be great for a desk at work, but generally not a home brewers dream.
@@Sprometheus if I remember right, there are a few original ones still around. Besides that, Starbucks bought all of them and then did some patent/copyright stuff so no one else can get them.
@@Sprometheus - Clovers are hard to find. What city are you located in? Maybe the guys at CoffeeGeek or at HomeBarista forums can point you in the direction of some shop that has one of the original Clover machines.
Former Sbux barista here, was thinking this was exactly like a clover. I would say if you see a Sbux with one it maybe worth trying and getting a small one. The advantage to a clover is how you state here, clean taste but heavier mouth feel.
way harder to clean than the french press and at that cost... forget it... At least for the french press you can just rinse the press and pour it thru a paper filter so no grounds go into the sink... I have a bunch of crappy filters from Daiso and a coffee dripper from Daiso to do exactly that.
I have the at home and i like it, i do the hot water for my iced coffee and i let it go a little longer than you, my wife said she agreed with about the hot coffee
i have the delonghi dedica which has a fixed 15 bars of pressure so can you please make a video for us trying to make an espresso with different bars and tell us how it affects the taste and the extraction ?
I don't know that I would call this vacuum brewing to be honest. The term implies coffee is extracted under vacuum which isn't the case. The pump just draws the coffee down faster compared to a pour over. I doubt it has any effect on extraction. Seems gimmicky to me...
I mean it uses a vacuum valve to pull water, so I think that still counts. Maybe not the perfect definition, but in the end it does a decent job at what it’s designed to do. Just maybe not intended for the specialty market.
I think you could. I’m no engineer, but I bet there would be a way to use a twisting mechanism like the Atmos to pull the water through. But I think the whole selling point is convenience.
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I'm not sure. I wasn't convinced. None of the features attracted me to purchase one of those instead of an aeropress or any other 3rd wave brewer.
But thanks for the review man, your insights are great!
Yeah it’s hard sell for real. Doesn’t offer much for that investment. Defiantly their biggest hurdle. Thanks for watching, and sharing your thoughts.
I remember seeing this when it came out a couple years ago (maybe on Kickstarter?). Was interested, but when your already have all the other devices that do the same thing, what's the point? I also don't like that it's electric. Has a nice aesthetic, though.
Yeah I believe it was a Kickstarter thing. I’m with you though, it’s he’s right justify if you have a few brewing devices already. It’s not really a game changer, except that vacuum isn’t used all that commonly. It is a great looking piece though. That glass pitcher is super nice.
This is one of those coffee products that I'm happy to watch you use in a video, but have no desire to try myself. Interesting idea but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. Pourover/aero is fine!
Thanks Matt. I’m with you this. It’s definitely an expensive solution to just taking a bit of time to learn your manual brews. But I think my parents will love it. Haha,
I've owned a great many types of brewers through the years. At one point a few years ago I paired a Baratza Maestro grinder and a Technivorm Moccamaster and have had zero need to change. These new devices are interesting put not compelling enough to make me even consider giving up my Technivorm.
This seems like the more expensive version of an aeropress. It seems very niche and I don't see which market segment it is targeting considering that the clean up seems as much as a pain as the french press is.
ethiopianbuffman I’m with you on that. It does create a similar profile as the Aeropress, but the convenience of it gets overshadowed a bit by the clean up.
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In my own personal opinion, this method produces results that are very similar to the Immersion approach of the French Press. However, since I want a filtered version of the French Press, the Clever Dripper would be preferable to this method. The ease of clean-up of the Clever Dripper is another plus in its favor. The level of extraction of the clever dripper versus this method would appear to be very comparable, (and much less expensive).
I wish it was designed with the vacuum motor on the outside of the brewer, or as part of the carafe. It works by creating a vacuum inside the carafe. Putting the vacuum inside the middle of the brewer chamber just seems illogical.
That looks cool
What scales are you using, I’m still green to all this but they look like they’re small enough to fit on a drip tray?
That's the Acaia Lunar
Way to expensive. But thanks for the review. Keep up your good work.
JediMedi for sure, the pricing is it’s biggest issue. Hard to justify. Thanks for watching my friend!
I think the perfect brewer for the average consumer would be one that requires only one pour of water on the coffee and then let it drain through. If the brewer can be set up to have an even extraction with minimal attention, then the main focus becomes the roaster conveying the correct recipe and grind size to the customer. I’d love to see a brewer that’s almost considered boring, but incredibly consistent and easy to understand.
I think a brewer like that is the holy grail of the average consumer. Making coffee at home has become more and more popular. So I think that may be a decent way to go for developing a brewer.
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I have this and its a great "Showcase" brew device. Like you said cleanup is not fun. I prefer paper filters and was really happy with the screen filter on this! I like it but my aeropress is just so much faster and less cleanup...
Brent Goodale I do agree with you here. As an avid paper filter fan, this mesh one is actually pretty decent. The cleanup and price are hard to get by when it comes to comparing it to an Aeropress, that’s for sure.
The Real Sprometheus still glad I have it and really happy on the quality overall. I kind of remember seeing a paper filter option on Kickstarter in the early days.. I also love the glass quality. I often just drink out of the glass lol
Brent Goodale I’d be surprised if the paper could stand up to the vacuum pressure. But it would be an interesting thing to try. The glass piece is fantastic!
The Real Sprometheus It could have been in my dreams with the paper filter... I don’t recall but he’s the glass is really good.
@@BrentGoodale I have it too, but find I use it less and less. It does make a nice ornament.
Given the amount of time required to clean this product, it doesn’t seem to have any advantage over a simple V60 brew. Am I wrong?
I think the main advantage is much less effort to make a good cup. The V60 seems simple to us, but explaining all the intricate things we do to someone who’s not a coffee person is a challenge.
I see this being an easier French press than a cold brewer, there's a reason you brew for 12 hours with room temperature water and I just don't see how grinding finer makes up for those 12 hours
Is it in a way like the Clover coffee machine that starbucks bought back in 08?
I have this at home and was disappointed- it got stuck regularly when I did drawn it down - and it is just not easy to clean up after. the grounds remain so hot it was hard to just pick up and throw
I haven’t had the thing get stuck yet, but I asked the owner and they say they recommend taking out and cleaning the filter every use. Which isn’t in the directions that I saw. It definitely can be a pain to take off the pitcher when it’s still super hot too.
I can definitely see problems with that charging port. Just like a cell phone, it's going to wear out and start to work its way loose then it won't work anymore. I'm surprised they haven't improved those ports yet.
You could get a nice stovetop vacuum brewer for a lower price, but I guess the frankone is nice if you want a portable option : )
Guy Incognito I think it would actually be a cool thing if you needed a coffee maker at work for yourself. Can even charge and use it at your desk. Haha
Hi, what apps do you use to measure that extraction level?
I use the app Optimal Coffee Extraction to do the math, but use an Atago refractometer to get the TDS.
Can't beat the aeropress
You pretty much said in a reply to another comment. The brewing convenience is what you're paying for but the cleanup is far from ideal. Maybe if it used paper filters instead, I'd see this being more popular. But then it might just be a clever dripper.
Ricky Ng I would definitely prefer a paper filter purely for the clean cup. But not sure if it would be able to hold up to the vacuum pressure.
@@Sprometheus i hadn't even thought about the vacuum against the paper.
I've been using a buchner funnel for years now . It uses a paper filter and because of that works much better than this . I could get 29% extraction with a vacuum brewer
I do prefer paper for sure. 29% extraction is quite a bit, I feel like that may not taste great.
@@Sprometheus with a really quality green coffee , light roasted , it can taste very good and sweet at high extractions. It's usually only Kenyans that can get that high
You kind of glossed over the fact that the FrankOne brews decent cold brew in a super small amount of time, with a TDS similar to basic cold brew pitchers that take ~24 hours. Not to mention that the speed of extraction is much faster vs a pour over with a paper filter. And the results are more consistent, taking less effort to be good every time. Great review but it felt like you glossed over a lot of the benefits and focused on it "not being as good as a pro-level barista coffee"... of course it isn't...
Definitely a unique and interesting product but I don't exactly see a good niche such as the Aeropress
Ram Pari yeah it’s not something I’d take traveling or anything like that. But I think the niche they are going for is convenience, but falls a bit short. Plus, the price doesn’t help.
@@Sprometheus Yeah. One cool idea would to implement a similar system into an existing system such as an AeroPress or v60 and see how that turns out
That mess it creates is an automatic deal breaker. Looks like something I will throw against the wall after being caffeinated. 😂
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I have an old electric Bodum that works well. Wish they still made it.
Aeropress is better in every single way. You can also buy a metal filter if you want some body.
Manjeet Singh Bhati I do think I’d prefer the Aeropress overall. But it is more “hands on”. This is super easy to make a good cup of coffee, significantly easier than an Aeropress.
The clean up especially in the mornings
This will be somebody's perfect brewer, but not mine.
That’s for sure. Honestly, I think this is ideal for my parents. Haha.
I found that my brew was full of sediment. The filter doesn’t really work.
Do you find your niche is producing a lot of static and grounds are staying stuck in the container
Some, not a lot. I get more static when I grind coarser.
Finding it difficult to get a good shot out of anything above a 10-11 for the grind
Having MIcro USB in 2020 is a whole another niche
I just wish everyone would use the same chargers so we could stop with all these attachments and whatnot.
I splurged on the goat story Gina. This one I wouldn’t buy because seriously, I have everything I ever could’ve wanted for coffee brewing, all except an espresso machine (looking at the flair espresso) and the aeropress. Between this and the aeropress, I’d seriously rather go for an aeropress. This one seems very unnecessarily. I’d expect inspector gadget to use this device to make coffee, or the jetsons.
Another coffee gimick. Vacuum or gravity, you are still running water through grinds. It will probably be a garage sale item after tiring of cleaning or the battery dies and can't be replaced.
Yeah I’m not sure about the battery and if it’s replaceable moving forward. But from the looks of the unit I doubt it.
This is the reason why I read the comments first. I didn’t want to repeat the same message. My exact thoughts
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I always think of my latte and cappuccino as a sweet treat( huge sweet tooth) so I add 1-1.25 teaspoons sugar to whole milk before frothing.
Try it, the sugar allows for a deeper evaluation of the acidity...
(why the **** am I using teaspoons and not grams??... ugh, anyway whatever that works out to)
Hey! Thanks for watching. Personally I don’t recommend steaming anything with much or any added sugar in an effort to keep things running smoother and cleaner.
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Like Cody, the USB charging set-up is a turn-off for me. I will just keep on using my Bodum stainless French press, and my Espro French press. I think the FrankOne is not for serious coffeegeeks, but for guys who are maybe not true coffee nerds like me, but are more gadget nerds who happen to pretend to be into coffee. Just sayin' :):):)
Yeah I have to say the idea of keeping track of another charging cable is just a pain. It’s more of a gadget for sure. Would be great for a desk at work, but generally not a home brewers dream.
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Just what I've always wanted in a pour-over...USB charging.
Who doesn’t want an extra cord to keep track of!?! Haha
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I feel like this is a super awkward attempt at reinventing the clover.
Andrew Cramer I still never had the opportunity to try a Clover. Do they still make those?
@@Sprometheus if I remember right, there are a few original ones still around. Besides that, Starbucks bought all of them and then did some patent/copyright stuff so no one else can get them.
@@Sprometheus - Clovers are hard to find. What city are you located in? Maybe the guys at CoffeeGeek or at HomeBarista forums can point you in the direction of some shop that has one of the original Clover machines.
Former Sbux barista here, was thinking this was exactly like a clover. I would say if you see a Sbux with one it maybe worth trying and getting a small one. The advantage to a clover is how you state here, clean taste but heavier mouth feel.
way harder to clean than the french press and at that cost... forget it... At least for the french press you can just rinse the press and pour it thru a paper filter so no grounds go into the sink... I have a bunch of crappy filters from Daiso and a coffee dripper from Daiso to do exactly that.
What's with all the dislikes on this one? The trolls didn't get fed?
I have the at home and i like it, i do the hot water for my iced coffee and i let it go a little longer than you, my wife said she agreed with about the hot coffee
It seems like a reverse aeropress to me..
Definitely! The nice thing is it makes quite a bit more coffee, and a bit easier to do. But it’s way more expensive.
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It's a novelty. It's neither there nor there. Pay less for pour over or a little more for Flair and do real espresso.
Its a novelty
i have the delonghi dedica which has a fixed 15 bars of pressure so can you please make a video for us trying to make an espresso with different bars and tell us how it affects the taste and the extraction ?
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I don't know that I would call this vacuum brewing to be honest. The term implies coffee is extracted under vacuum which isn't the case. The pump just draws the coffee down faster compared to a pour over. I doubt it has any effect on extraction. Seems gimmicky to me...
I mean it uses a vacuum valve to pull water, so I think that still counts. Maybe not the perfect definition, but in the end it does a decent job at what it’s designed to do. Just maybe not intended for the specialty market.
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Not sure how you calculate extraction %, it's not extraction rate though. For high extraction from a simple device checkout JOEPRESSO for AeroPress.
I ordered mine well over a year ago, newer recieved it. So not support this scam company.
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The same thing could be accomplished with a similar manual “human powered” vacuum like the fellow storage containers. No? Feels way over engineered.
I think you could. I’m no engineer, but I bet there would be a way to use a twisting mechanism like the Atmos to pull the water through. But I think the whole selling point is convenience.
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