The Skill You NEED to Quickly Become a Great Machinist
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One thing I struggled with as a young machinist was trusting myself. I used to ask my supervisor 50 million questions when I’d run into problems until the day he said don’t come in my office with a problem unless you have a suggestion to the solution. Probably the best thing he ever did for me.
same here, even if i'm still "young machinist" (just graduated last month ^^)
@@Okko001 Best thing you can do is always strive for knowledge because no matter what that’s something that they can’t take away from you. Try to think outside the box. In today’s shops fixtures and tooling play a huge role in production and also your pay. The more money you can save a company the more valuable you are. I’ve been doing this going on 13yrs now and I’m still learning. So always be open to ideas and listen to people. You never know how it may help you down the road. I wish we would’ve had someone like Titan when I was coming into the industry. You have a lot of information at your fingertips. Take advantage of it and be safe when working!
Thanks man, I got my certification going to give it a shot
Personally find that sort of attitude unhelpful. He shoulda told you how to find the information you need on your own so you can be certain about what to do. Of course, if you already did do go through the expected steps and still have a problem, well, guess he can go and report to his boss why the machine isn't doing any work.
If you didn't go through the basic process of making sure your values are right, then that's your fault.
@@strongback6550 what are you referring to exactly? It’s been a while since this post.
Retired machinist with 30+ years in the trade. I learned how to read a micrometer in shop high school. With that I got my first job on manual machines. Jumped to paper tape machines and learned on my own CNC Programming. I also learned Macro B Programming and made huge contributions to my DOD contractor companies. Jumped to CAD-CAM and finished my career in Diamond point Turning in optics. I trained myself to be a problem solver and had a great time making raw materials into works of art. I enjoyed my work completely.
When I started CNC, a veteran machinist told me, "machining will not come to you - you must go to it." Applies to getting good at anything in life.
From someone with an engineering degree and a decent amount of hands on experience... this mans right. Learn how to learn anything and nothing can stop you.
protect this man
After my 2year apprenticeship. I knew more than I thought I did. I'm coming up on 10 years in a few months. If I could go back and tell myself anything it would be "Trust in yourself, you got this far right?" I was always questioning, while that isn't a bad thing, it stunts your growth.
Interesting viewpoint. I've been told to never assume anything in machining...
The thing about that is I'm not trinna break a $20,000 lathe thats not mine by trying to figure out a problem my self.
Like I would definitely try that in something like math, but when expensive equipment and my fingers are on the line I'd rather ask first
As the OLD MAN in our shop, it is hard to get people to understand that 80% of the job is troubleshooting...
It's difficult to teach what "sounds " & "feels" right or wrong. A dull tool sounds different.
I mostly cut hard metal, I can tell if a tool,is going bad 5 machines away.
Some things just come with experience.
Absolutely John! I've only got 6 or so years designing and machining my products, but man, one of the most valuable tools in the shop are your ears! I recently hired my buddy and hes still green but learning fast and one day I ran to the estop because I could hear a chamfer going 10 thou too deep 😂 he looked at me like wtf how did you know that?! I'm like you didn't hear that "sheeenk sheeenk" sound? I swear you develop bat like ultra sonic hearing over the years lol
This is the exact problem I have trying to teach people at my job. It’s a constant struggle trying to instill that intuition. Only comes with time. You can’t teach experience
This is why I can never understand so called engineers wearing earphones listening to music whilst working. WTF
The only rhythm I wanna hear in the workshop is the machines!!
@@Mister_H. I agree, I stopped using headphones and use speakers for music, I need to hear machine sounds, anodizing timers, or the smoke alarm if the laser catches acrylic on fire lol.
@Amandeep Singh absolutely!
I’m looking into going to school for CNC and your tip on being able to research and find how to solve a problem is good for everyday life as well! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to research stuff for different family members because they don’t know how to effectively do the proper research. Most the time it’s as simple as going into different forums and searching key words, but most people don’t even seem to know how to do that haha
As a retired educator myself it’s refreshing to hear another professional stating and expounding the exact beliefs and values I based my career on. Thank you Sir.
I just started working at a machine shop after 15 years as a tree trimmer. Never done anything like this, and it's more than a little intimidating.
It's like moving to a foreign country and not knowing how to speak the language.
Lol I just talked to my mentor in tool and die about this today. I was getting mostly lost on when he would say something like 10 thousandths. In my brain I think of that as .001 which I know is wrong l, that's just what my brain jumps to when hearing it frased in that way. when it's actually .01. Where I would just call that one hundredth. so much vacabulary to learn, it totally feels like a different language.
I went to a technical college and got my associate's in cnc machining and im currently working in a tool room learning how to repair broken tools, fix inserts or replacable parts, and build different types cutting tools
Sick man
Hi Scott! I need to thank you and Titan today! Just because of Titans RUclips Chanel (and Nyccnc, Lars Christensen and Grimsmo) I now started in a company running a Haas VF4ss creating custom molds for carbonfiber car parts, with no machining educational background at all! You guy's inspired me to make this happen! BOOOM!
Right on! That’s awesome man.
Love to see it
As a maintenance man all my working life fault finding was the pinnacle being able to fault find ( sorting out and over coming problems) was what made the difference between mediocre and valuable member of the team. By understanding the process or how the end product was made it allowed you to see others problems and so know how you can could help. Asking, listening and watching always is a good grounding in a unit. Then to go on and teach, show, train and give is the next step. The enthusiasm gushes out of the “new “ member of the great team. Keep it up if you even just get one person educated is a great result but to bring so many up to a level is inspiring to others. It shows that. Education and training can help a community of manufactures / machinists overcome the hills and valleys that life puts in front of you. The weak can slide down the hill to the valley But only the strong can climb the hill on the other side. Amacf Scotland
The ol give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish.
It’s so true though. With the right toolset it allows one to research and figure out problems. Within that will come asking for help from experienced folks, but instead you’ll be able to ask better questions that are perhaps easier to answer too.
I’ve seen people misinterpret this idea as being a case of sink or swim, it’s not. It’s just an understanding that the real world throws out problems that aren’t in the handbook.
My fav - build a man a fire and he is warm for a night, set a man on fire and he is warm the rest of his life.
This is, why i prefer our educational system in germany...we go through 3,5-4 years of apprenticeship along with the practical education in the shop and the theoretical one in school. 4 of 5 days in the week you´re in the shop and 1 day you spend in school. Every second week you spend 2 days in school. So you get a quite solid base of knowledge and what you´re doing before you are a full machinist or whatever job you´re learning.
I think, you can´t make money, when you got a bunch of unexperienced machinists in your shop, who needs to troubleshoot first.
Of course, problems can appear every time and can never be avoided, but in our shop this would be a no-go if all the machines would stand around and not making chips. Troubleshooting is ok, but it can't take that much time. Quick and good solutions is key. Only running machines earn money :)
That’s what an apprenticeship program is bud.
they start in high school and specialise very early like aged 14 or 15 in their field
Und trozdem lernt man den Beruf erst so richtig wenn man in kleineren Firmen anfängt.
Dort wird noch viel selbst Programmiert wohin gegen man bei größeren Konzernen bzw Firmen meist als Glorifizierte Einlegekraft verwendung findet. Zyklus Start drücken, Messprotokolle ausfüllen und hin und wieder mal Werkzeuge Korrigieren kann jeder Depp. Das höchste der gefühle wird vermutlich noch das Rüsten sein.
Eigentlich schade wenn man sieht wie das gelernte kaum angewendet wird
Outstanding Scott thank you for your service to this country and industry. Good first name
Agreed. If you are going to be worth your salt in this field, then you will be pursing answers to your questions. My experience has been that the employees that do best are the one's that take the initiative to find solutions to the problems before them.
A good example of this is there are only about 3 (out of about 40) people in the shop i work who actually have an account on mastercam's website. The forum on there helped me edit a post processor to do what i wanted it to. Knowing who to ask and what to ask is just as important as knowing how to do something out right.
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I am from the UK 🇬🇧 and I will join the academy soon. I've learned so much just by watching the youtube videos its crazy. Im surr others around the world are watching and Learning too.
I've worked with computers all my life and I'm learning very fast thanks to the quality education you guys are providing.
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I like this guy! I had a green binder I called The Green Bible that would put helpful documentation, notes, helicoil drilling info, test cut data, business cards, etc.
Became the reason I became a supervisor because I could answer questions.
I just farted
Teaching is the best way to learn.
You got it bang on.
If you can't teach it you don't know it.
True, though some of teaching comes down do being good at conveying the idea as much as understanding it. I have been a Journeyman for almost 15 years and I still struggle with giving a clear concise definition on certain things. I have a clear picture of what I want to say and teach just not how to put it into words.
Getting into this industry has reignited my passion for learning.
This is an excellent video. More please!
I needed to hear this.
Great advice! The recommendations are applicable to any profession.
This is so true in the welding field too these new kids fresh out of school are scared to adjust the machines or change what they are doing to get better it crazy that the piece of paper makes them think they are a top level welder
Currently serving as a manual machinist in the Navy, got sent to school for additive manufacturing to learn CNC and 3D printing. I can see myself going far in this industry.
Wow very good advice. It’s always better to be able to solve your own problems than have to ask the older guys in the shop to stop what they’re doing and help you do something simple
Teachers become the best in any craft... right on brother
Absolutely awesome!
I'm going into an interview for an outside machinist on a ship yard what do I need to expect.
Great message sir.🙏
I 100% agree. Im 29 and I spenty first 3 years just as a robot machinist doing what im told and asking questions. Then one day i was blessed when all my teammates either retired or left, so i was forced to figure things out myself. This was when i learned how to truly learn and problem solve. I became an asset to my company and got raises and stuff
Currently I'm teaching a young guy 23yrs, and he's rlly smart and hard working. He's already at the point where he can program and setup machines on his own. But the only thing he lacks is figuring things out on his own. Recently I've been very hands off telling him to start learning how to figure things out, but it hasn't clicked yet. I think it'll click when i leave in a couple months and all the responsibilities of the shop go onto his shoulders.
They say birds teach their chicks how to fly by throwing them out of the nest to where the chicks have to fly or fall. Thats how i learned and i think thats how it should be
Learning quickly is the new valuable skill
On the subject..., studying the classics authors of antiquity are what's helping me understand how to think for myself and reason my way to solutions i.e., Euclid, Newton, Plato, Aristotle. I mean, who do you ask about celestial bodies and their orbit.? Pre satellites.
Helpful for everything in life!!
30 plus years in manufacturing engineering. Still learning. Having the right tooling and machines is a problem though here in Stoke. Machines not serviced and cheap tools makes huge job difficult at times.
I know the feeling. Work has slowed up where I have been for the last year. 4 years ago itcwas a great place to work apparently. But they stopped servicing EVERYTHING and instead pay big dollars for emergency callouts and I found myself CONSTANTLY fighting junky equipment, TRYING TO get it to work. So often the quality of work would be affected. It got so pathetic that although we handle sharp and jagged steel all day, we had no gloves from the start of December until MARCH. At least my size. But NONE for anyone until the middle of February. The place had ran out of SOAP twice, 2 weeks each time. It was all just deliberate neglect of machines and workers. And if I have completely lost the job, I don't feel s great loss. They've bought it on themselves by overcharging for some products and manufacturing other ones at a low quality. Many of our customers bought their own equipment so I think we might have been overcharging for what we were manufacturing. Some processes they started doing themselves that they used to have us do.
CNC WARRIORS ... I like that ... good vibrations from spain
I saw your video about your story. How did you manage your time going to school for a master's degree while being married with 3 kids and going to work shop for warriors? How did you make the change to reinvent yourself to become a machinist knowing that being a police officer was not your true calling? I could use your help. How old are you now?
Good question. Honestly, but the grace of God I was able to balance all of it. It took me 2 years to finish my grad school program. I knocked out classes one at a time. I was able to work on assignments while I was teaching at work. I would put my students on assignment and utilize my "in-between" time to read, study, and write. I have an amazing wife that handled business when I was not around. I heard a sermon from a pastor once... "work a trade" and "take care of your family, they are your ministry". Manufacturing does not define my life, it's a skill I am learning to provide for my family. Howerver I have found a passion for it and drive to get better. Find your passion and pursue it.
Scott seems like a great addition to the team. Awesome video Scott! I can't wait to see the next one!
The only mistake you can make, is not learning From your mistakes.
bad ass bro...successful people love to see others succeed....
Looking forward to this.. 💥
Totally agree on instead of asking for people to solve your problems you should learn how to do it on your own!
Boom! Titan drops another life lesson on us, listen up boys!
Retired now, but I taught myself Master Cam. Never went to collage just worked at one for 25 years machining and designing pieces for Physics & Astronomy.
I would love to learn alot from you guys, and one day work with you guys but I have alot of doubts in doing this. I want to well learnt in this field
I like this guy, wise words being told
Can u do a video abt an cnc machinist/operator math test? Or tips for math test from your employer
What if you dont have an instructor? I feel, as a milling setup guy, that I'm lost because they say everything there is based on experience. But then I'm back to being a part runner or I'm given a bad setup (pretty much all of them for a couple years now, either stuff is wrong on setup sheets or I just have no guidance besides figure it out myself). As far as figuring things out for oneself, Ive taught myself drums after my dad initially taught me and was awesome at competitions and in bands in school. But that started with my dad. As a machinist, there is no starting point for me. Does anyone have any thoughts or answers to this?
Consider looking for a new work place? It doesn't hurt to every few years to jump around to learn as much as you can. There is always another shop willing to teach.
@@jessetw52 Thanks. Things actually changed at work, I'm writing down teaching curriculum. Based on what I know. All I said during my review was that I wanted to organize my notes. I was progressing fast enough I guess, faster than my coworkers apparently because I always hung out with the managers and learned from them.
Enthusiasm is the key 🔑
Director of education...with 0.0001 precision...with Doosan behind.. Can you tell us, which delta of temperature will increase part, for example, 300 mm, by 0.0001? Where you can make this precision, on Doosan cnc? Without temperature stabilization? Good, good educator..
Good messages sir
Love ❤️ from India
This message also applies to fitters! Teach yourself how it all works, because everybody else has no idea how it works. (The rare exception is the engineeer who designed it)
Semper Fi Brother
Love the shirt
Scott... You're famous. :)
And How to you find / research specific knowledge for workshop / production industry? Google is bad at it, maybe if I ask a very specific question. Most experts are too busy being experts, to share with general public. Even if they do it might be a badly labeled 1000 views video, buried beneth content from more hobby inclined makers.
For me good start was to read all the machine manuals, read all the suppliers Catalogues. Then it was work and look closely at all the coworkers to see how they work and solve problems. And then take my time and solve any problems I encounter to see what works and what doesn't work.
I find good material more by chance, than actively searching for it.
I’d say watching this video is a start.
Scott! This is NOT the skill that you need to become a great MACHINIST. This is the skill that you need to become a great ANYTHING!
This is something that we try to teach our students on our robotics team. Don't just do what you're asked: work hard to EXCEED expectations. Go beyond what is asked or needed of you. Take initiative and you'll find that you're capable of so much more than you can imagine. Go out on your own and learn as much as you can about what you're doing and COMMIT to being the best that you can be!
Thank you for sharing this great message! I'll be sharing this video with the team.
Doesn't Scott look like brother of Mitchell from Modern Family and cousin of Crazy Russian Hacker (RUclipsr)?
I stick my finger on the lathe spindle to make sure I am running m3 vs m4 lmao.
People being able to search and find the info they need themself is something that is lacking.
Google, forums, youtube.... they're lazy.
I went to college for cnc machinists and am still running manual because they failed me.
Could I find a cheap machine for $1,000 and convert it to CNC so I can learn these skills and get hired?
hahaha no.
Maybe get to a small shop and ask if you can work there a few hours a week or something.
how i wish to learn more from you, sir....
Do I need to be good at math to be good at cnc
dont let fear of math discourage you from pursuing this career...are you able to add subtract? mainly all you need programming requires trig im told
no. whats important is that you know where u can find the answer.
u have a calculator and you got your books.
hell there are even apps where u can write down paramters to calculate them.
you need a good plan on how you wanna get your job done and let the machine do the math.
I'm learning data science so I can be a better researcher and come up with better solutions.
My .0001 precision shirt is in metric
I’m terrified to be a machinist because of the math aspect
Trial and error how i taught myself no school needed
those that can ...do...those that cant..... teach...(and become inspectors)
A director of education must mean the certification program is about to take off. Waiting...
If they do it themselves, Y do they meed you? Im serious. I worked in a shop. Loved it. Happy cutting
@Old Dog Tools hopefully the shop owner will pay for that dedication. They pay me for that “attitude” yu talling bout. I hv to be a team player all the while they lookin for ways to cut pay. They ate up with it. If the $$ was less i’d be elsewhere, with my driving skills, being appreciated. The reason i can relate is I work for A+A Machine Works. Like 1992. Be cool man. These cnc’s today R over the Top!
"If they do it themselves, Y do they meed you?"
If they can't do it themselves, why do I need them?
He looks like Paul Rudd
Yeah but what do you do when your company doesn't teach and punishes you when you take initiative?
I’ve taught myself everything on CNC in 5 years.
3 in school by reading my teachers haas manual front to back.
2 at work for a manufacturing company. I had a mentor who loved to argue with my ideas with fixturing and tooling because they haven’t been done like that in their shop. But I begged to differ and allowed me to disprove myself but never gave him the satisfaction because all my ideas were out of the box. My supervisor expected me to follow in his steps on learning his technique but I didn’t and I think I was pushed down because my “mentor” complained about me a lot. It sucked being new with my technical solutions and him saying this’ll do just leave it. My performance was great. Almost matched another co worker but I was also improving both our programs to be 1:09 faster and efficient. My performance grade was nothing short of a joke compared to his work considering it was severely close and without my help we wouldn’t have the numbers I brought us up to. I decided it was time for me to not take them as seriously as I did and just left. It was a bit of a joke but I thought my improvements to their production was a good thing.
Er redet darüber seine eigenen Probleme zu lösen und dadurch besser zu werden. Dann im letzten Satz sagt er dass man auf den ihrer Facebook Seite mit anderen Probleme lösen kann
Ja? Ein gewisser Denkanstoß durch den einfluss anderer schadet nie.
If your not asking questions
Your not paying attention!
we need better teachers that go above and beyond to teach people or students.
Yes but mentorship is important lot of knowledge hoarders out there
Extremely important.
Not me!! I show people anything i know. That's a last generation mindset. There are shops out there that thrive on sharing. Dont settle.
@@TritonTv69420 thanks for the response. Every shop I've worked in the set up people and programmers would withhold information. I'm getting out of cnc and studying to become an industrial mechanic. The problem is pervasive in my experience.
@@TritonTv69420 Thanks for your sharing attitude but you are the exception not the rule
🇵🇬🇵🇬,,,
God i hate engineering now, when you start of as a an operator make you eay to machinist level and eventually team lead in space of 5 years, felt dam good to be teaching folk coming in skills was good but then compaines change engineering changes, next job wont be in engineering thats for sure, the US seems different tho,
What the hell is this baloney?. lol
So when students are stuck they are just left to their own devices then?, standing around in the workshop googling the issue on their tiny smartphone screens while the teachers are on break or whatever is so important that they can't teach. haha
Just got my first 3 month review. They like it that I make notes of all my G-Codes, and study them. They like that I am learning to do my set ups without assistance from the supervisors even though they double check them to be sure before we start a new part. In my meeting today, the plant manager, the QC, and CNC Programming Director all gave me a near perfect review. Nothing negative and they really like my initiative. This video rings true 100% and I am also a College of Education graduate. My year review will blow their minds. I want to program for this company and I will do it.
No such thing as an ex marine!!!
This industry is just not worth it. Pay is trash for the amount of stress you have to deal with every day maintaining +-.0005 all the time with old machines. Have to work overtime all the time. I hope you realise, for the younger generation, theirs no climbing in this industry. You're just a machinist all the time and you go nowhere in the company. All you'll go to is to a machine and die at the machine. Exciting.. I use esprit. I'm not some clown button pusher. Just machining in general is BORING. Make parts for someone else, wooooooo.
You as a person need a passion for the jobb, just like any other profession.. if you hate dont like the job your life in general will be affected as a whole. And many of the arguments about old machines and overtime could be solved with a different company.
no you get something completle wrong. its not the job that sucks its your workplace and your mindset.
Why cant this guy be my Boss . :(