The ORIGINAL THEATRICAL version of Empire Strikes Back is here! - Project 4K80
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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4K80 is a fan made project. They essentially took an original 1980 35mm film reel of Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back, scanned it at 4k, cleaned it up at 4k, and rendered it at 4k. This is now the definitive theatrical version of Empire Strikes Back.
In this video I go over my thoughts on the project, and give some more context about it.
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The original emperor actor was a woman - Marjorie Eaton, while the voiceover was done by Clive Revill, who went in to do VO in a few star wars games.
ooh shit, I actually literally never knew this.
PALPATINE TRANS!
@@SilverSpoon_ DON'T GIVE DISNEY IDEAS 😫!!!!!!
Didn't they use chimpanzee eyes for that version as well to underscore the creepy factor?
First of all, I’m impressed. Also, there’s some videos about Project 4K99 / Episode I. Will you talk about it? Cheers!
thank you! and yes i have heard of 4k99, wasn’t sure what the status on that project was though. i’ll look into the forums later today and take a look at it! if it’s available for download ill absolutely make a video about it.
Keep the true OT alive! Thanks for this.
Back when Vader wasn't a hunch back.
LOVE the original look with grain and colors and I LOVE the original ugly emperor. Total classic. As to why they're editing the colors, I think it's make them look more modern and fit in better with the new movies, so new fans or general normies won't skip them over because they look dated.
But where can i find 4k copies of the television premiers with commercial breaks that i grew up with on VHS?
Harmy's Despecialized Edition of the OG trilogy dropped like 6 years ago...
@@Voltar I liked it. How is this different, I followed Harmey as they did it, so I have an idea. This one I'm not so sure about... is it that much better than Harmey's?
@@Voltar good to know. thanks.
Ian McDiarmid being added to Empire was done LONG before Disney acquired the franchise. It was a change Lucas himself made for continuity reasons
correct, Disney just destroys Star Wars, they don't make it better.
Yeah, 1990s CGI really makes the previously incoherent plot of the original trilogy whole by covering up those confusing puppets and models. It isn’t distracting at all seeing it in movies made 20 years beforehand
Indeed and it never needed to be done either.
@@georgemorley1029yes it did lol
McDiarmid.*
Why do you call it "Disney version"? Lucas's 2004 modification has nothing to do with Disney.
It’s just to illustrate the difference between the theatrical cut from 1980 and the most recent Disney + 2019 version. Just to show the passage of time. It goes more in depth on the different versions in the video.
@@EvansMedia99 yeah, I watched the video, still I think it's a clickbait index picture. :P If you mention Disney, more haters will click on it.
Anyways, the video itself is alright. ;)
@EvansMedia99 I have to agree with the other person. To use Emporer Palpatine and the two different actors who portrayed him in Empire Strikes Back and say Disney vs Theaterical Release is click bait for those that don't like Disney.
Lucas himself was responsible for switching out the actors not Disney.
@@Varga_CsongorI think it’s an attempt to make people hate Disney rather than hate George, who is the actual reason why fans have to make fan edits of Star Wars in the first place.
I don’t care for Disney or Lucas. However Lucas is my best friend compared to Disney lol
as a kid I was confused because I noticed a lot of new stuff when I watched the films again. It totally makes sense now because I definitely watched the original version when I first watched them
I still have my VHS tapes of the original trilogy-been waiting for its release on DVD for time time now.
The original un-cut unedited are on the original DVD releases. Widescreen in 4/3 aspect ration tho.
Save those. You will be a Godhead in the times after the Great Unhappening.
VHS tape deteriorate
If you value your stuff PLEASE digitalize it and preserve then in SSD disks
George Lucas’ legacy is that of a gatekeeper who has forced fans of his series to take matters into their own hands so that they can watch the version of the films that they want to watch. His attitude towards the OT has really made me dislike him.
Yeah. Whatever positive reception the fandom menace gave him after TLJ is not gonna rid him of past sins.
@@johncaulfield8935people whine and complain about the Disney sequels, for good reasons, but have they heard about Lucas’ vision for the sequels? Apparently, he wanted the entire 8th movie to be set in a microscopic world focusing on Midichlorians. Not sure about you, but I would have hated that. That would have been the final nail in the coffin for Lucas for me.
I mean, they HIS films.
@@azimuddin1890 They were never his films. They were the films of every single person that worked on them.
@@johncaulfield8935
George created Star Wars, the films were of course made by a team to execute his vision.
The no re-edits is what I most like.
Exactly. It’s like these filmmakers - and not just Star Wars - are trying to gaslight us. Since I was just a kid for Star Wars up to a young teen, sometimes I wonder if I am just remembering wrongly. I even went to the OT re-releases in ‘97 etc, so in some ways I really start to question myself about what was true to the original theatrical versions. Some things I like better from the original, some from later. Some because of how it looks, some because of how it moves the story.
George was always tinkering. There were changes between the initial limited 70mm release and the later 35mm release in '77.
4K80 is a different experience. It does feel like you've punched May 6 1980 into your BTTF DeLorean to see the original release.
Couldn’t agree more!
.... But Empire wasn't released until May 21, 1980, so you wouldn't have experienced anything if you went back to May 6, 1980
OMG guys i love the 80s!!! REMEMBER BACK TO THE FUTURE?? 'MEMBER STAAAR WAAARS??? I PEAKED IN HIGH SCHOOL WOW THE 80's WERE AWESOME
I've always been worried that Lucas destroyed the original prints. Kind of like he did with all existing prints and copies of the Holiday Special. When he dislikes something he can go full armeggedon on it.
He didn't destroy the Holiday Special. Carrie Fisher once remarked that she asked and received a copy from Lucas as a joke to get people to clear out of a party once it had gone on too long.
The Boba Fett cartoon was also on the bluray, so Lucasfilm does have it.
I don't understand why you can't have both versions streaming at the same time. This is just stupid...modifying history Stalin style..this should be illegal....I don't care if after 50y you want to re-release your own movie, that's your problem but to distort reality to your own liking doesn't make any sense...as said just stupid...
"Both versions" haha
Just shows how delusional and stupid people like you are. You know next to nothing about the history of these movies yet you demand something that you don't even have the slightest understanding of.
The reason Disney doesn't release them is because they are legally bound not to. It was part of the contract with Lucas when they bought Lucasfilm. It's Lucas who is holding these back, not Disney.
Lucas won’t ever allow to release Star Wars in pure. He rather destroy it.
@@stevemuzak8526 George Lucas, the Eternal Boomer
well then count down the days until he passes . . .then maybe. . . just maybe. . .Disney will re-asses, realize they have lost billions more money than they already have. . . and put these out in their purest form imaginable with no CGI added, in an attempt to win back fans / recoup the financial loss. Remember. . . Lucas began destroying these films and their legacy long before Disney.
Maybe when Lucas is dead, they might actually release the despecialized versions then
The original Emperor was fkd up looking lol
When I saw it on VHS on CRT I never noticed it. The quality was probably too poor. Sounds like a bad thing, but really I don't see any need for people to watch anything beyond standard definition. It's just a waste of bandwidth and storage space. (Granted even in a standard definition format the details would still be very noticeable; I'm making two separate statements)
I can't recall what the video quality looked like on old TVs that only did 480p. Playing DVDs still look fine on modern TVs.
The original Emporer was played by a woman, Marjorie Eaton, and had the eyes of a chimpanzee superimposed over her own.
I look forward to "watching it at my friend's house" after 4K77 and 83. I've got to say that 4K77 with both DNR and without is gorgeous.
I was born in 82. I always remembered how enigmatic the theatrical version looked. (Oops wrong thread)
"You should own this film legally before you download this, or it could be considered piracy."
OH NO! Anyway...
OH NO. I might anger the evil mouse
disney has enough money
@@MeloRat69 not so much anymore considering their financial losses as of late . . .4 billion + to be exact, causing Bob Iger to fire the "woke" assholes / cancel projects left and right, lmao!
Don’t blame Disney for the retcon stuff. That was all George Lucas. Disney had nothing to do with any of that.
This doesn't change the fact that Disney are dicks.
Great video man, but there's just a problem with the thumbnail. Ian McDiarmid wasn't added to ESB in the Disney version, that change was in the 2004 dvd. Long before Disney purchased Lucasfilm
I saw Empire when it came out, and that's the version I remember and love best. I look forward to this!
Nice! You’ll definitely enjoy this.
It is the best. In fact 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 are now the best versions of this films.
I agree but the originals are pretty bad with the special effects
Really bad actually
@@Pdx616 I'm 56 and I remember watching these films in theaters when I was 9, 11, and 14 respectively. The Original film STAR WARS had a theatrical run that lasted more than a year! I waited outside the theater for an entire showing to see the next showing of the film. It was completely nuts. I feel kinda sorry for people who will never be able to experience these films as I did when they were originally released. For me, when I re-screen STAR WARS - it transports me back to 1977 and the first time I (or anyone) saw such an incredible movie. Re-living the powerful memories are more intense than the Special Effects.
Hahaha. I’m right w you ole timer. Also saw at 9 in 77. Then got the action figures, the lunch pail, the comics, the T-shirt, the PJs, the poster, the story book album, the Meco 45…good grief it was manic SW fever at the time. Great memories 😊
Why wouldn’t you upload this in 4K?!
The new Emperor was put in before Disney. I think for the first Blu release.
He was added on the special editions, he was on at LEAST the DVD versions of the re-edit, but I don't remember if it was before that. I know the original got a theatrical re-releases before Phantom Menace came out (and I THINK that was the debut of the re-edits)
The Emperor scene is the one change I’m glad George Lucas made
Its funny how you can tell how young this youtuber when he just straight up doesnt know that the special editions happened in the 90's.
You do realize there were multiple different special editions right? As early as the 90s and as recent as the 2019 Disney 4k version. I may be on the young side but I know what I’m talking about 😭
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@@MarCuseus and again in 2011 with additional changes and again in 2019 with more changes.
Wanting to remove film grain is way worse sin than adding cgi.
That’s crazy. I can’t watch old movies with film grain.
It's just as bad.
For real, it's like removing the hiss and pops from playing a record.
It for sure is if your claim is, "I want to see it the original way." Most of the time people don't know what they want until they've been told
@@wesleytwiggs7687that's fine just don't call yourself a purist. Which you shouldn't want to do anyway purists are generally insufferable😂
This is exciting news and a good video, but it is spreading misinformation. The Lucas 1997 new edits were before Disney bought Star Wars. So although it is trendy to complain about Disney, maybe you are too young to remember that Lucas started changing the original films and brand long before Disney.
Disney would make a killing if they released the Star Wars theatrical cut on 5/25/27. I know they won't though as George has stated, "sorry if you fell in love with an incomplete film". He said going forward the so called Special Editions, are the official versions of all 3 films now. I own the Grindhouse versions which I love the most. Has all of the grain and imperfections since they are actually scanned from original 35mm prints.
They wouldn't make a killing releasing physical media films that are already free on Disney plus and old
@@Darth_BNT I am referring to a release in the theaters.
>Pays for Disney Plus
>Claims content on it is "free"
Lmao
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@@Darth_BNT If DIsney put the 4k77, 4k83 and 4k80 versions out as physical media in that quality level there would be premium demand that would be large in volume and very PROFITABLE with LONG legs.
D+ does not have the near level of visual quality ( due to compression algorithms ) or audio quality as a baseline and is not using a master of the quality of the $K..oops, 4k project stuff. yes SW is old, but those fans of old SW have money. Why would anyone that can afford good or even best quality in home star wars viewing settle for or be happy with a sub-par D+ experience?
This looks amazing! Sorry to spam but would you be up for collaborating?
Most of the 1997 "special edition" stuff is unnecessary. Adding more detail to Cloud City was good. Other than that, I didn't like any of it.
Why does the thumbnail say that the Special Edition is the "Disney Version"?
Because that version is the most recent 2019 version of empire strikes back, made under Disney.
@EvansMedia99 but Lucas put Ian McDiarmid and other changes in Empire. Using "Disney" in the thumbnail provokes a reaction.
@@dancouroux8490 Only clicked on this video to say this. Quite misleading.
I agree with you guys, very misleading. The thumbnail almost implies that Disney introduced McDiarmid.
@@greedokenobi3855 yeah, somebody's agenda is showing
These are great. But 35mm is equivalent closer to 6.5 to 8K. Though those file sizes would be massive.
The vocal fry is strong with this one
I don't mind the Special Editions as much (other than Han shooting first which is the only change that actually changes the story) but I'm super glad these exist. In my perfect world, we'd get an OT set like the Blade Runner Final Cut release that had 5 versions of the film including the final cut itself. I think trying to pretend the originals never existed is a bit too much like rewriting history; those movies are an important achievement in the history of film, and should be evaluated as such in their original state.
That being said, what's with the "Original vs Disney" thing on the thumbnail? Clickbait much? Disney gets enough hate from SW fans (a lot deserved, a lot not) without getting blamed for something that has nothing to do with them. "Original vs SE" would have been fine.
This is George's issue, and his alone. Which, well, they're his films... it'd be much worse IMHO if Disney *had* been the ones to make the changes and suppressed the unaltered versions. Not that I agree with Lucas doing it either.
Its 2024 and they still didn't officially release the original versions of the trilogy. I still have my tv vhs recordings from the early '90s but Disney needs to release them if they want to make some easy money.
Oh it would be such an easy cash grab for sure. But I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of term in the contract when they bought Lucasfilm that they could only release the special edition.
@@EvansMedia99 Lucas probably didn't give them the original versions.
This stuff is wild. I really appreciate you making this. :D
No problem, thank you for watching!
I couldn’t get into the forum to dl, you need to be recommended a code ?…fortunately found them elsewhere 😅
@@echosun79please share 😊
@@UtotheGLY they’re easily found 👍
I wonder if Disney has the original movies at all. No one knows what George Lucas put in that contract.
Oh they 100% do. I read that over the years Disney/Lucasfilm have been digitally scanning all there old film reels of anything and everything they’ve ever produced, this definitely incudes the old Star Wars film reels. Disney has even used very short clip(s) from there A New Hope scan in a documentary on Disney plus, I wanna say it was the ILM documentary. But I think George had it in his contract that they wouldn’t get released to the public.
Had checked a month ago but thanks for update 4k80 . I watch 4k77 & 4k83 regularly. Have the old vhs, dvd & BR & 4K releases but the original takes me back to initial shows back in May 1977😊😊😊
Original Emperor was much more sinister
Thanks for letting me know. I've been hovering around the Star Wars Trilogy forums since they only had Star Wars 4K77, yearning to complete the trilogy. The wait between SW and ROTJ wasn't very long, but the wait for TESB... I never thought I'd live to see the day. Any change to a film that you've seen hundreds of times before they start changing it hits like a commercial break, draws you out of the experience.
I was most annoyed by changes to The Empire Strikes Back over any of the films, because I always thought that film was perfect. The Wampa scene was made less scary (almost amusing actually), shots flying around the exterior of Cloud City didn't fit stylistically into the rest of film, and the apparent need to show Vader landing on the Star Destroyer screws with the pace of the film.
Glad I could help! I check the forums every once in a while and I got lucky, I saw they dropped 4k80 v1 a few days after it released.
I agree though. I grew up with the special editions but as a big film guy I appreciate film preservation. I always love seeing films the way audiences originally saw them. In the case of Star Wars seeing these 4k projects makes me feel like I’m back there in 1977, 80, and 83 watching these when they first released. Love them so much.
@@EvansMedia99 It's encouraging to know that there are younger film purists than I.
does it have original audio? ie mono/stereo or is it surround sound?
Yea so there are multiple different audio tracks that come included.
There’s a 35mm mix that’s sourced from the laser disc
“70mm magnetic sound” not sure what that is though
35mm optical stereo
And a 6 track reconstruction from the 70mm release.
Hope that helps! I have a 5.1 speaker setup and just watched it on the default 35mm laser disc sourced track and it sounded amazing. It only used the main soundbar, and not my other surround speakers but it sounded great to me.
@@EvansMedia99 70mm Magnetic is when the audio tracks were recorded on a magnetic coating on the 70mm film rather than encoded optically alongside the image. Quite a few of the big epics in the 1950s like Ben Hur used that system for multichannel sound, it had extremely high fidelity so when you see those films remastered on BluRay they sound superb. Some later releases had prints done with the same system eg 2001 A Space Odyssey.
More accurate thumbnail would be, "Theatrical vs. Mid-Life Crisis Lucas Version". Disney was not involved with any of these changes, these were all Lucas 100%. South Park made fun of a lot of the early changes back in 2002 with episode Free Hat lmao. George kept doing these asinine changes until he sold Star Wars to Disney.
Alfred Hitchcock once observed that "films are never finished, they're simply abandoned."
As a semi-pro filmmaker, I can (to my own annoyance) attest to this.
The difference is that Lucas has the fiscal wherewithal to NOT have abandoned them, *even after releasing them to theatres.* Most (but not all) of the changes he made, I find I rather like. If the technology had been available when he was making the original films, you can bet your firstborn that he would have used them, and purists wouldn't have nearly as much stuff to squawk and yammer about.
I was a whole lot less confused when I finally saw X-wings visibly lifting off, turning and accelerating into the distance, but I think I had a nerdgasm when I saw a head bobbing around inside one of them as it flew past camera. I even think it would have been better to have the Biggs scenes left in.
But Han shot first.
@stevejordan7275 the problem isn't that he made changes, it's that the originals aren't accessible anymore.
Finally all 3. History has been preserved. The people have won.
Haha "the people have won"
More like "a bunch of 50-year-old manchildren celebrate because they committed vandalism on a piece of art"
The ambiguity in the original emperor scene is what built the mystery and the suspense. It is a part of what made Empire the best Star Wars movie.
Am I and George Lucas the only one who thinks redoing the Emperor scene in ESB was a good move. I much rather prefer Ian McDiarmid than that weird original emperor hologram.
I literally own Empire Strikes Back like 10 times VHS, DVDs, and Blueray
As an indie filmmaker, those file sizes seem totally wrong. The 4k seems right but there's no reason why a 1080 file should only be like 15gb smaller. The resolution is substantially smaller and so the file should be too.
Curious how they exported this.
I just watched the first two films today and Iam a bit confused, they are 4k discs, with no HDR, and thankfully no DNR, is it right for the film to look the way does on these versions, I think it looks great BTW, so this isn't a complaint, just out of intrigue both Star Wars and Empire have signs of print damage, specs and dirt, even the sound crackles at times, is this real or something added to make it look that way?.. It says after th credits that they were taken from the original 35mm negatives,
How can people see this? Ironically, the only special edition updates that I like are in Empire. Cloud City looks gorgeous! Except the wampa. Ugh. That was dumb.
a 480p dvd will always look better than a compressed and artifacted stream imho
I think Empire was the best of the updated Original Trilogy. Featuring the actual Emporer makes more sense, the cave monster works better, Cloud City looks better aswell.
It's not like the other two where the extra stuff detracts from the film.
Disney bought Star Wars on October 30, 2012
Stop overplaying your hand and blaming Disney for every single thing in your lives. It’s weak, boring, and empty.
if an artist wants to make art and then modify it, that's their right.
Yep. Star Wars "fans" for whatever reason have a difficult time wrapping their heads around something as basic as this.
Fantastic transfer, just got done watching it today, couldn’t be more happier. Although, I do question why Vader’s lightsaber has a pinkish look to it? Yes I understand this print is pretty beat up, but still, why is it pink instead of Red? I’m not being rude or anything, I just want to know why it looks pink instead of Red. But to be fair, when Lucusfilm remastered the print in 1993 for the Definitive Edition on Laserdisc (which was done in order to not only cash in on the last release of the original theatrical versions on home media, but to be used for the 97 Special Edition edits) Vader’s lightsaber has a pink look to it. So I don’t know if Vader’s lightsaber looked like that in the 1980 theatrical print or not. Just curious.
The “Disney Version” was actually done by Lucas himself years before selling to Disney
Everybody keeps focusing on what the look that's all fine that's why he changed it in the first place but why did they make those horrible lines "the young rebel that destroyed the death Star" the dialogue is so clunky versus Luke Skywalker must not become a Jedi and the sound quality and delivery of the lines there's no comparison the original version is perfect the new version sounds like the emperor had a concussion when he was speaking the lines, were they going to slow down his speech pattern in the return of the Jedi when he's speaking to Luke ? This change is so baffling I can't even figure out why they did this
I grew up on the originals (saw ROTJ at at the cinema in 83) but this is one modifcation that I like and prefer over the original. The woman in a mask was laughable but suppose the illusion of it being a man with the voice distracted over people looking too closely.
I was on mushrooms one time and thought it'd be fun to rewatch A New Hope for some comfy nostalgia. Unfortunately for me it was riddled with the special edition alterations and it totally sent me into a bad trip. This and the de-specialization editions are godsends.
Guess you shouldn't take mind altering substances.
All I can say is, awesome! Thanks for your review!
Thank you so much!
Lucas did this because he wanted the og movies to be on par with the prequels so they wouldn't look out of place and to re add removed content like jabba the Hutt in the 4th movie
Removing film grain from movies is like spray painting over the craquelure on the Mona Lisa. At that point you have basically just erased the original art, and replaced it with somebody else's work. Might as well just burn it and create a new painting.
Love that. Couldn’t agree more!
I'll be honest, I was happy to see that we finally had the Emperor we all know added into Empire Strikes Back as the character was originally played by a woman with male voice. However, I think Disney could have done a better job as it did look out of place.
I agree for continuity sake for sure. But for me it’s about preservation. I have no issue at all with the special edition(s) and their existence, but I also want to have access to the original version. In a perfect world we’d have official access to all the different versions in high definition.
Yes, Coppola’s approach is what I wish Lucas would follow. The 4k set of Apocalypse Now has all three cuts, on both 4k and blu-ray. It also has the Hearts of Darkness documentary and seemingly all the precious format’s bonus features. We should be able to buy a set like that for each Star Wars original trilogy film.
@@eric_stroud_drums8454 exactly. Hell there’s a Blade Runner blu ray box set with like 5 cuts of the movie. Why can’t we have that with Star Wars lol
James Rolfe had an idea a while back where you can pick what changes you want and what to leave out
Lucas put the (Mandela effect) Ian McDiarmid emperor for the Special Editions release in January thru March 1997(Mandela Effect).
Stop blaming Di$ney for no ‘ffing reason. Lucas also has said that the Originals will not be released. I don’t believe it, you shouldn’t either. I hate to say it, but when Uncle George Passes, Disney will probably release the 4K 3 months after. No way Di$ney would ever agree to never ever release the originals. The money alone that could be made… would make any company 9 billion dollars richer. Ok, maybe not 9 billion. But you get where i am going with that. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY…. We know that is all that they crave….
Remember, Lucas made changes to “Star Wars” out of spite for his ex-wife Marcia Lucas. She cheated on him, he didn’t want her making anymore money off her infidelity to him. That’s the basic gist of how the Special Editions came about. I believe his former producer Rick McCallum suggested Lucas “fix” all three to his liking….
"Some may not like grain"? What a strange thing to say...
@SomeCrap 👏 👏
Yeah there are people who don’t like grain in video. Even the Blu-ray’s and DVDs of Dragon Ball Z are all terrible looking cuz of the lack of grain
weird how some people don't like their movies half decomposed... quite odd
@@SuperM789 Nothing to do with decomposed film. Film grain.
@@SuperM789 film grain doesn’t mean it’s decomposed
Stupid question, but how does one go aboit watching one of these? 🤔
I bought the VHS trilogy at the (late) best damn junk store on earth so that should cover me being legal.
replacing the emperors hologram was one of the few things George did right with the special eds
The Emperor change was a must. It made no sense to be an alien in ESB and then a total different guy in ROTJ. Keeping that is puritanism and not based on what is good.
I liked the emperor change but he needs more shadow on his face. It's the first time he's shown so it needs more mystery (even though we all know what he looks like by now)
He wasn't an alien. He was disfigured and personally I hate the change. It looks out of place.
i remember watching the first version as a kid, and indeed Palpatine was scarier with that weird alien-esue face, it's not kidding. The reedit of the trilogy was made to fit with the prequel and all the disney bullshit that came after.
True, from a continuity standpoint that makes total sense. I just wish both versions were officially available in 4k or HD. Just from a historical preservation standpoint.
All special edition changes aside. I agree with you, I don’t know who in quality control thought it was a good idea to add a blue overlay in ANH, ESB and ROTJ (in the 2004/2011 versions). It makes the colors look completely washed out. Thankfully someone in quality control realized their mistake and erased that overlay and in the current 2019 versions, the colors look so much more vibrant.
Oh for sure. There ware a few more changes especially in a new hope for the 2019 Disney release but honestly the fact that the color grading is the closest official HD release to the theatrical versions makes it (in my opinion) the best official option
Is this the *original* original version of Empire?
For the first week or so of release, the final establishing shots of the rebel fleet didn’t have the X-Wings or Y-Wings or the close up of the Millennium Falcon - it was only after release did George think they needed adding to add context, so the final scene was recut with new establishing shots.
Wonder which version this is.
Either way, it will be brilliant to hear a pissed Vader growl “Bring my shuttle.” again.
You are speaking of the 70mm version. That version is super rare, the more common 35mm version is easier to find so that's what they used for this.
However recently TN1 procured a copy of the elusive 70mm version and have said they will scan and release this version, this will be the first time any fan group has scanned this version of the film and when they release it it'll be the first time the fandom will be watching that version since 1980.
@@Robin_Glader I never even knew about this version, that’s so cool. I’ll keep an eye out for it!
I have never quite understood, why in the original version, the emperor looks like he is doing upsidedownn finger glasses...😏
this looks ace, i need to get a copy
I take a perverse pride in having the originals on vhs from somewhere in the early 90s to this day. Yeah, it looks crap. But its original crap😁
Side note on the special editions:
I remember going to see the ANH rerelease, all chuffed for the "new footage" or whatever they billed it as.
Original: stormtroopers going down a hall in mos eisley.
Rerelease: stormtroopers going down a hall....then a flying droid putters past.
"That was your all new content?!?!"
I was so pissed. And the less said about cg jabba the better.
Not gonna lie I kinda wanna own them on vhs too lol. I’ve been keeping an eye out on eBay
To add my bit, I personally own a 1992 issue Fox Video VHS of the original Star Wars (A New Hope for those who are wondering, although I always prefer it as SW, not ANH). It is in 1.33 but I don't mind and the tape is in near-mint collection too. I used to have the accompanying issues of Empire and Return but my stepmother gave the sequels to a neighbour roughly twenty years ago.
Maclunky!
I really don't like the CGI band scene in Jabba's palace in the newer versions. I just like it how it was originally. They completely changed the song and put in a strange CGI version of the singer that just isn't right.
Maybe I’m on the wrong side of the argument, but I prefer the special editions. I confess that I grew up with the changed versions, but I prefer them a little more. Little things like deleted scenes, digitally enhanced shots, the Stormtrooper making a noise when he bumps his head, and Palpatine in Empire played by Ian MacDiarmid. It adds an extra degree of continuity and I like them more as an overall package.
Yeah, around these parts you’ll be on the wrong side of the argument. It’s about
1. Film preservation
2. Allowing viewers to watch the version of the film that they want to watch
3. Understanding that these are films made in the 70s and 80s that didn’t need to have CGI smattered all over them
Actually it's fine to like the newer versions. What made people so upset is that the original versions that were widely released, won oscars and beloved for 20 years, were no longer made accesible to the public.
Each to their own. We all like different things. For me it's ruining the art and magic that film has from that era.
i don't want to download, is there no strream for this?
"Horrible DVD standards"? What are you talking about? Unlike all other media before it, DVD video allowed for flawless quality for SD resolutions.
Exactly what I’m thinking
Sorry to be ‘that guy’, I am painfully aware of it :D It isn’t quite flawless - it’s still compressed, so if there’s too much colour and detail in a scene, DVD video will start to break up into square artefacts. I do agree with your main point though, overall DVD was and is superb for most SD content.
@@CatGoneCrazy lol no worries, but two things I'd like to reply:
1. the problem you describe is the result of using a bad encoder or improper encoding settings or both. Could also be the result of a sub-par decoder chip, like you can see with "black pumping" on old cheap 2nd generation chipsets
2. No media is uncompressed, because you could barely handle the file sizes. Even when going for uncompressed lossless encodings for archival purposes this is a real problem. Lossy compression is no problem if proper settings and good encoders are used. The bitrate DVD Video offered as well as the technological advances that MPEG2 brought ( e.g. anamorph encodes) were good enough to provide visually flawless quality. That doesn't mean that every commercial DVD out there was flawless. Quite a few were subpar in that regard for the aforementioned reasons
@@pseudonym3690 Well, couldnt he mean from the viewpoint of cinema or higher resolutions? Thats what I assumed, I dont see the meeaning of talking about SD content discussing a cinematic release. So, I agree, it is pretty bad (or "horrible" if you want to be hyperbolic) in this regard.
@@GoldenCroc I think you're overinterpreting things. Neither does he give any context to warrant that assumption, nor am I interested in hypothesizing the unexplained generalizations of some random youtuber.
But even if you went that far with your assumption, I hardly see how DVD for an at home medium looked any worse than stretching a 35mm projection to a 17m diameter in a cinema. Most cinemas I went to at around the time looked worse than any DVD movies I had at home, because in terms of pixel density, a DVD on a standard 22" CRT still had a 5 times higher density than compared to cinema projections. So not sure what you're on about.
Did the VHS set of the original trilogy use the theatrical versions of the films? Those were the ones i watched as a kid in the 2000’s but i don’t remember the emperor looking different lol.
If I remember correctly there were 2 versions of the vhs box set. One of which yes, was the theatrical version. But the 90s special edition was also on vhs. So you either saw the theatrical or 90s special edition.
@@EvansMedia99 ill have to go digging through his stuff to find the box set and find out lol! Thanks for the info
The new emperor was introduced in the 2004 dvd set.
So it would have been the original scene no matter what if you watched it on vhs.
I had been keeping up with the 4K80 beta releases but life happens and I didn't know 4K80 1.0 had been released. Thank you!
What do you think about 4K83 2.0?
Grain is integral to how it should be watched.
I agree!
This is hard.
Is there just like a... Button I can click and download the movies?
Naw, it's gonna require a few steps as far as I know but it's not that hard. You should really have a VPN and a torrent client at least
@Vriess123
You see this is why I said it's hard.
Now I have to Google what you're talking about.
@@ekahnoman7331 It's not much harder than installing a program, and it's definitely easier than, say, setting up an internet connection for the first time. Don't worry!
My preference is the D+77, 80, and 83 hybrid versions. It takes the 4K blu-rays and replaces all the cg additions with footage from the original film prints and color corrects them. You get less grain, higher fine detail, accurate colors, theatrical audio, and keeps the actual good fixes from the blu-rays that don't change anything. These are the best current option imo if you're not a total purist.
That’s totally valid. I tried out the D+80 version of empire strikes back probably about a year ago and until 4k80 came out it was my go to method of watching that movie. I just personally felt some shots looked really glossy. That’s why I like the grain so much, because you keep all that detail. But to each their own, I’m glad you have a version you love!
@@EvansMedia99 I'm just glad we have some options now. It was rough for awhile, lol
As interesting as the originals are, they're not the "definitive" versions of the films. They aren't what George Lucus had in mind. They were the versions, and cuts he didn't have a choice with, because of technology, likely studio pressure, and the lack of retrospect.
I'm different though. While I wouldn't mind getting the originals, I want the full VHS experience with them. I want to watch old films in SD. I want them to look old. That's why I'm happy with DVDs for old films especially.
Lucas had final cut on all of his movies. While the studio may have expressed concern or worry about any of the 6, none of them were reedited by the studio.
@@Knightmessenger They may not have gotten edit pressure in that sense, but they may have gotten pressure over the length of the film. Especially the theatrical version. Back in the 90s at least, a lot of films were cut for time. Back then the average film may have been closer to 90 minutes.
So way back when Star Wars came out, I wouldn't have been surprised if that wasn't at least a conversation.
Great that people are doing this. So much better before Lucas started fiddling with the masterpieces
My curiosity is, how a group of fans had access to original 35mm film since Lucas never wanted to release them in higher resolution himself?
Buying or borrowing the original theatrical releases from collectors. Happens all the time. Film is near-infinitely scalable.
@@colinandrews7272Exactly. Which is why old films that are filmed on film, are of far higher fidelity that recent productions "filmed" digitally.
Casablanca? Looks better than anything made between 1980 and 2020, since, as you noted, the near infinite scalability of film resolution compared to digital.
One 8k or 12 k become the norms, we can look forward to similar old films looking fabulous compared to watching Seinfeld on these newer tvs.
These old films may be rare but they arent non existent. And having fims in the hands of private collections means we will lose less media going forward.
(Pours a 40 on the ground for the old films pre-1935)
Cinemas would have had the prints back from the release, many still in circulation that collectors have bought. 35mm film is far beyond 4k resolution. That's why we can have so many 4k remasters of old films.
Thanks for your answers. Makes sense
Original theatrical imperor suffered from conjunctivitis.
I like the original way better. It’s more creepy, and I saw this version in theaters back in 1980 when I was 5. The only Star Wars trilogy I ever watch or show other friends is the original Theatrical movies.
Wow I wish I was around to see that back in the day. My first theatrical Star Wars movie was Force Awakens when I was 8 or 9
Aren’t you so cool
Definitely better. Ian is an awesome actor and fantastic as the emperor, but the original scene is way more menacing
Trilogy download link
I FCKIN LOVE FILM GRAIN
Disney version??? WRONG!!!
Where's the download link?
uh thats not the disney version.
Okay, so when is the fan edit going to come out that gives us Ian McDermott’s emperor in the place of the weird looking monkey face emperor??
Agreed, Lucas made some awful changes to the trilogy. this one made perfect sense and is far better than the original.
Thank you so much for this info! Just got a new 2K curved monitor and looking forward to what this will look like on it!
Hope you enjoy it!
I have seen 4k77 and 4k83 with no DNR in 1080p and even that is a HUGE upgrade from the laserdisc and VHS originals. I used to have captures of the laserdisc releases that I would watch over anything, the original laserdisc was actually better than the dvd release. The remasters stuff is just wrong. Still havent seen 4k80 yet, but i will soon.
I just can't understand Luca's orwellian need to erase every single pre special edition version of Star Wars, especially that he's constantly critisized for it. Why can't he take notes from Ridley Scott - he gave us a boxset of ALL different vrsions of Blade Runner including the very first theatrical cut that nobody liked and all in HD.
The real ironic thing here is that George Lucas gave a speech to Congress in 1988 literally advocating the importance of film preservation. He 100% contradicted everything he said when he restricted the access to the non-Special Editions. I am thankful that he gave me one of my great loves in life, but I’ll never forgive him for his behavior towards the OT.