This Company is DESTROYING Car Games...
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Motorsport Games is having a meltdown... They owned the licenses for NASCAR, IndyCar, BTCC and WEC for Le Mans. Le Mans Ultimate is coming out in February, but will Motorsport Games survive that long?
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Reminds me when EA had exclusive licensing for Porsche for the NFS games, and I really don't want to go through that again. Hope the other studios can at least ride this out with other ideas at the very least.
At least the game was decent
yeah but at least the games were actually good
It's not like NFS Games were bad compared to what Motorsport games have released.
But I do agree that an auto manufacturer shouldn't be exclusive to one racing game franchise / publisher
I am disappointed that we don't get Tesla and Rolls-Royce in any car game now.
@@XhadpI'm fine without Tesla in car games, fuck #MuskRat
CEO and execs gets too greedy>ipo>company blows up. Truly one of the most repeated cycles in gaming and tech.
I really hope the ACO(organizers of WEC and Le Mans) pull their licenses from MSG as well, a series like WEC that is in a new golden era deserves better than what appears to be a WEC/Le Mans specific version of rFactor 2
The sheer incompetence of aco and wec to stick with msg after the virtual Le Mans mess and being called out by the f1 title holder. Meanwhile iracing and acc are jumping from strength to strength
I have hope for Wec of rfactor 2, i have scare of online and bug but if MSG let studio 397 work then the game can be really good (i hope studio 397 can independice from that shit company)
well rumor has it msg might be filing for bankruptcy in the next few days gonna be interesting to see if that comes to light and how it plays out if thats the case
i want pizza (I got my pizza)
Same. You're paying, im driving
@@BlissifiedHHcan I come tooo
@@BlissifiedHH Nuh uh you paying
Same
You will get fat
I'm glad iRacing got the Nascar license. They did good with the World of Outlaws game so I'm hoping the Nascar game is as good as well.
It’s just a shame that such a good sim as World of Outlaws is console only. Would love to play that game with all my sim gear on PC.
Lets hope its not a shitty pay per month game
Its been a really rough year for game developers.
Its sad to see so many lose their jobs like this
That's why you support your local indie game devs!
They weren't making good games anymore though. They deserved to go out of business
@@stevejensen8874 The company does. The devs however often don't. Their hands are tied and are forced by management to release shitty products
Plus another thing, making it so only one racing game company is able to use a specific car type or name or tracks etc etc would make it so games like forza or GT miss out on huge opportunities of a like 50 lap oval race or something (idk how oval races work)
Ehhh, you just steer left for 50 laps. That's pretty much it LOL.
@@garenkijolfo4393 tell us youve never raced oval in a sim without telling us youve never raced oval in a sim. OMEGALUL
You wouldnt survive a single lap even if you were lapping alone... and if you did live you would be 10-20 seconds off any kind of racing pace.
@@Otakahunt r/whooosh
it's more like this: other companies won't be allowed use certain tracks or brands, and will be forced to either cut them or come up with a replacement, so their players end up missing out on iconic cars and tracks. for example, ea had an exclusive license on porsche for the NFS games, and while they're good games it kinda sucked not being able to drive porsches in other new release racing games at the time. we're even seeing it with the new forza i think, since we lost daytona and were given a pretty half-baked fictional oval instead.
Now I see how it's bad for all of us and other devs. These tracks owners won't be so willing to sell licenses to anyone else now and exclusive licenses also c*ckblock other more competent devs from making a game for such tracks. These mistakes could have been so easily avoided with little to no thinking forward, this situation is beyond me. They basically bit more than they can chew
So the exclusive Titles now can be removed from Motorsport games so now Forza can have other Licenses and possibly make the game better tbh. Hope it happens
BTCC and WEC would be sick
Some of these organizations are want standalone games though
I hope that DOESN'T happen purely because I love BTCC and am on PS5. I'd rather a full-on BTCC game like the old Codemasters PS1 games. Add old cars like old F1 games had (not to mention they already have the old Volvo estate, '96 Audi and '97 Laguna in Grid Legends anyway), a few extra circuits, and go for it. What would be awesome, but probably impossible, is a number of seasons in one game. BTCC hasn't be officially in a game with a full grid and circuits since 2002's Toca Race Driver. Would be incredible to have a number of cars from over the years, as well as forgotten circuits like Mondello Park in Ireland or the old Snetterton
iracing needs the WEC & Indy license imo, the 24h of le man's and indy 500 were such great races with loads of splits, when MSG took the WEC license the 24h of le man's got locked to esports drivers only and indy basically died on iracing
@@xaviermaczko iracing doesn’t have enough users to really properly promote any of these brands on their own platform which is why they are developing a standalone nascar game.
Exclusives licenses are trash imo. Like when EA had exclusive licensing to porsche.
This company had a skill issue you could say.
A huge blunder.
Love this type of content mate - feels good to see a more grounded and real nick 👍
I don’t think Le mans Ultimate Will not release next year because the company is Falling
I think it will end up releasing, but it'll be the last chance saloon for msg, I'm sure WEC is getting a bit scared seeing these other companies drop there licenses so msg will be on thin ice by the release
@@dirtx9914 that’s true
it'll probably release bc it's likely just rf2 physics with some already existent track scans and new assets, doesn't seem like a huge project for them tbh
@@xaviermaczko It’s they already confirm releasing next year but I don’t think it will be good at all it’s because the same engine from R factor two
So happy a big creator took notice to this, us nascar fans have been in pain for so long, hopefully iracing does good
They bought all those "exclusive licenses" and got nothing to show or back it up...
Excited that IRacing picked up Nascar as it’s one of the biggest series normally in the game. Hoping that the official release isn’t as pay heavy on individual cars tho
This video was actually really refreshing Nick. I want more videos similar to this👍
So this is why there’s no NASCARs, IndyCars, and only the one LMDh/LMH car in the new Forza? The new Motorsport game feels empty without them
This is why I think that exclusive licenses only hurt the concepts more than it gives the studio the freedom to do whatever they want with it. A concept should be free to use by others (of course with a license fee), and not kept away from others as if they have a permanent claim on it.
It helps the racing series by receiving income from multiple studios who got a license from it
(well, I am not really sure about that part myself, but it appeared in my head, so why not?), and players can discover some hidden gems in the meantime.
Where some mechanics work so much better than when FH5 implements a similar setup, but is not that great in comparison.
If only Moronsport Games would learn from this mistake, and do something more useful with their money.
i love that you make some videos like this. the videos feel relaxing almost like i am talking with you and i think its good you make this content too you add videos for new variety of viewers
good job nick :)
Their stock price is absolutely tanking. The short interest is remarkable.
Will you do these types of vids more? I enjoy them
Finally a big youtuber is explaining it
Exclusive licenses are either shit or less shit looks at EA and Porsche
To be honest, most of the big studios have about the same number of programmers as a smaller independent studio. The difference is that the big studios have about 2 to 3 people per programmer executing managerial duties like endless meetings and tictok videos about their day.
Monster Games can basically pick up any of the licenses and make a game in a year. iRacing has their back.
Doesn't iracing own monster games? Big fan of world of outlaws on Xbox and it's worlds better with monster being under iracing than it was when monster was alone.
Monster Games also has been making NASCAR games since 2000 with the original Heat series as well as the modern Heats just with different publishers (namely 704 with heat 2-4). They then partnered with Tony Stewart for 3 games, getting better each time. Then iRacing bought them and they made The World of Outlaws game which is really good, but still has room for improvement. So both iRacing’s and Monster Games’ history with solid NASCAR and other Motorsport titles, with them only improving since then, really gives me hope that whatever they cook up will be a massive breath of fresh air
I know that exclusives are hyped up and all that stuff, but personally, I’d be more hyped for “inclusive” stuff!
Like instead of a company buying another company in a merger, or signing an exclusive licensing deal, I’d very much prefer an inclusive deal, or contract, or better yet, just allow everyone to collab and work with each other! Like how video games can be made for multiple platforms!
People I feel most sorry for are actually BTCC fans, while Its shame we won’t see a NASCAR or Indycar game, they have had several adaptations in different games and haven’t waited too long for full fledge licensed games. The BTCC has been waiting for around 20-25 years for one and while it’s cars have dabbled in Forza and Grid, it’s never full given it’s deserved title.
Massive shame
It would be alright if Forza motorsport gave the btcc cars for free but thats never gonna happen :(
I played NASCAR heat evolution, heat 4, and heat 5. I didn't play 21 Ignition, and I refuse to play it. Sometime this year, Motorsports Games made a NASCAR next gen mod for heat 5, and it was broken and unfinished. Honestly, Forza Motorsport, compared to NASCAR 21 Ignition makes Forza Motorsport look like a grade A game😂
rFactor 2 used to be the greatest racing simulator ever made of all time. As soon as Motorsport Games purchased it, it became completely, entirely unplayable, even on a direct drive wheel. The "UI" updates truly ruined everything. When i pointed this out back then i received all kind of ableist slurs, especially from Assetto Corsa fanboys.
I've been waiting so long for a good Indycar game with career mode and everything. I really hope that the license for it goes to a good studio.
I think selling exclusive licenses from sports to gaming companies is harmful. Remember when madden wasn’t the only nfl football game? 2k5 was an amazing game. Madden 08 was the last best one. After that, they got content. The quality of sports games over the past 15 years across all sports has became all about making the most amount of money and not caring too much for the players or the single players in fifa and maddens example
So basically, they blew all of their investor money on a bunch of exclusive licenses and just assumed they could be the only kids on the block... without actually ever trying to put effort into making a compelling game.
Good riddance. Maybe we'll actually have a good NASCAR for the first time in 17 years.
Love ur content nick ur the reason I became a full car fan 😊
Facts I'm a sweat at NASCAR heat 5 and it's fun to play with friends but motorsport games and it's ashame that they released the new next generation cars in NASCAR heat 5 and it was trash I can't believe the biggest racing company ever and they decided to get greedy and ruin their trust in long time fans R.I.P racing games 😢
I’m glad that NASCAR is free of the license. IRacing is making a simulation style NASCAR game, I’m hoping it will be as amazing as NR2003!
I’d like to see the tricks and a proper immersive career mode
Nick has best humor
we need a coffeezilla x Nick collab ASAP
The most insulting example of exclusive deals is Polyphony Digitals having the exclusive rights for the Pikes Peak Hillclimb.
Not only they bar everybody else from making the track, but they don't even make the very track they have sole access to.
I don't know if anyone else likes this form of content but i certainly do i hope we see more of this
Funny to me that iRacing now has the NASCAR license since iRacing itself was born from the devs of NASCAR Racing 2003 Season and still shares some of its codebase with NR2003
We haven't had a proper btcc game since 1998 on the ps1. Looks like we will never get another one.
Being a Nascar fan and having bought Nascar heat 5 and Nascar 21 ignition, which both still infuriate me. I'm glad Motorsport games is dead
Heat 5 was alright but now even with mods it’s boring ignition is unplayable and I can’t refund it now.
@@drewhalloran9 Yeah I can agree. Playing in 2 different heat 5 leauges with my buddies is fun and single player is ok but Ignition is ass. I did a 28 lap race at Talladega with no fuel and tire wear and I won by 14 seconds and it wasn't restrictor plate track, it was basically when Riley Herbst won the Xfinity race at Las Vegas a few weeks ago
@@Racer881Ken I bought it the day it came out but for cheap on a website. I loaded up cota and took the pole. Then it would go green and then the caution would instantly come out. Couldn’t get a lap in and it eventually sent me from the pole all the way to dead last before a lap was turned and then the game crashed. I tried Atlanta and Atlanta with the 2021 cars looked exactly like the current configuration did right when it was completed and raced like it too before it technically existed. Awful game.
@@drewhalloran9 in all honesty tho, ignition was bad no doubt, but imagine how bad the wec, Indycar and bcc games would've been if msg made them and the fans who want a game like that would be completely disappointed
I wish Codemasters still held the BTCC license I miss the Toca Championship games from them
Great insight. Motorsport games full of promise on paper but in reality a bunch of grifters.
I hope the new Nascar license holders make another good Kart racer, I actually really enjoyed Nascar Kart Racing on the Wii. It looks like Monster Games is making it, the Excite Truck guys, so that's a good sign. They really need to make a new Excite game, like in general... Or just get it ported up to the Switch, Excite Truck was super fun
It won't happen because its iracing, they only do sim games sadly :(
ok so basically the only thing they could deliver on was the $50 NASCAR coupon that came with Heat 3, which I used to go to a race
but even then, that game was like 4-5 years behind other racing games in terms of what it delivered
Nick thank you for making a video about this mess of a company
Sounds like actually good developers are grabbing up these licenses now 💪🏻
The upcoming Le Mans game will be a dumpster fire. There is no way in hell it'll be a great game at launch or post launch. Excellent Example: NASCAR 21 Ignition
Fun Fact the NASCAR video game liscense is cheaper than a NASCAR charter
Probably because its not a valuable license at the moment
I'd like to point out really quickly though that a majority of racing sim teams are between 10 to 250 people. Just as a small thing. (Live for speed is particularly really small but still going since 2000s)
Like Iracing one of the biggest companies in SIM Racing has been working on their sim with like 150 people up until recently. The main thing is their physics is really difficult but having multiple people work on them doesn't really do anything. It actually can be a hindrance when you have too many chefs in the kitchen.
I should have been more clear. 150 people is plenty to make a great game. It is not enough people to make 4 great racing games for 4 of the biggest racing series out there
It’s unbelievable that one of the most popular US motorsports of Nascar doesn’t have a good nascar game to reach out to the younger gamer generation of nascar fans. Hopefully forza does something with nascar at some point
I hope so.. I think FM7 had official stock cars in it and FM8 features a sort of oval track
I was actually involved in this company when it was in its conceptual stage. Even when it was 4 people with an idea they always represented themselves as this huge company. This company has just been milking nascar for 15 years. I'm pretty sure the first few versions of nascar heat were developed by middle Eastern contractors.
Essentially for most of the NASCAR games that Motorsport Games say they own and have published, technically they’ve only made three games: NASCAR 21’ Ignition, NASCAR Rivals, and the NASCAR Heat 5 Next Gen DLC. Many of the other titles that being NASCAR Heat Evolution through Heat 5 were owned by 704 Games. 704 was bought up by MSG, and that’s why MSG boasts about the Heat titles.
I like how hilariously obvious it is that the thumbnail is mirrored
I never thought you'd make a video about this, but I'm glad you did.
I believe a more accurate time span is last couple years. Biggest failures beginning with NASCAR 21 ignition. 704 was before them who did better.
would love to see you work with S1apShoes and BlackFlagsMatter discussing motorsport games
Don’t forget Austin Ogonoski
i thought you were gonna talk about the new forza motorsports and how microsoft ruins every game it touches. rip
Nascar fans have dealt with this crap for years! good to see a bigger youtuber bringing this to light
License exclusivity with sport leagues are ALL terrible for us consumers, NFL, NBA, F1, NASCAR, doesn't matter we the consumer, all end up getting screwed
Motorsport games is the embodiment of someone fumbling a 10/10 girl
I hope somebody picks up the BTCC license because it is my favourite racing series 🙏
These exclusive licenses have been the bane of racing games for years. Harping all the way back to the days of Porsche and their relucantance to have their cars in anything. It's hard to imagine what the owners of these companies are thinking when comparing exposure from a single development to having their brand across multiple different games from one offs to dlc integration into some of the biggest racing game titles on the planet. Guess this just shows how little they actually care about the gaming fan base. They are taking an "OK whatever just have them handle it and don't bother me about it again" attitude.
Glad iracing is going to make a NASCAR game. Maybe in the near feature I'll enjoy playing a NASCAR game like back with NASCAR Thunder.
iRacing was founded by former devs of the original Papyrus studio who made games like nascar 2003, which even to this day has a cult following due to being pretty much a simulator, rather than arcade game like these Nascar Heat's and whatever garbage MSG came out with. :D
and now we can look back at this as the dark time of nascar gaming
I legit thought this was going to be a video on EA for a second, just because I forgot Motorsport Games even exists for a second
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Damn I knew MSG had been quiet about the Indycar and BTCC games but I didn't realise it had gotten this bad. Racing games are in a REALLY bad place at the moment, we need new titles with innovation because its just going to die out otherwise. Sim titles are doing okay but the arcade racing genre is an absolute mess.
The older Nascar games (Heat 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5) are not made by them. They only made Nascar 21 Ignition, which is the worst racing game ever made (I'm dead serious).
Also, the CEO is a very sketchy guy.
Given the quality of their NASCAR games I´m not sad at all that this company is going out of buisness and already loosing / selling the licenses they had.
That being said, i agree that I really hope that these license holders will be more open to and willing to give the license to multiple studios any given season. Just look back at the 90´s and early 00´s when both NASCAR and F1 regularly had multiple games for a single Season and it resulted in some of the best games both Series ever had.
As someone who has been anxiously waiting for the IndyCar game since it's announcement, this just sucks lol. I mean don't get me wrong, after seeing the abomination that was Nascar Ignition, my hopes weren't exactly high, but I was genuinely excited to have a true Indycar game! I figured if they could at least give us a barebones game with decent physics that could be built upon like Codemasters did with their F1 games, then the Indy fans could finally enjoy their slice of the pie. But alas, with news early this year (I want to say it was Feb or March) that there wouldn't even be a career mode in the Indycar game, and then watching the dumpster fire burn throughout the rest of 2023, it seems yet again I have to accept that it will be an even longer wait for my Indycar game. Thanks as always for the uploads Nick!
It makes me very sad seeing the BTCC because I really just want another TOCA Race Driver
This is literally the Bungie of the car gaming community jesus chirst 💀
F1 have license from Codemasters since 2009 to make f1 games where you drive cars and it also has the license of frontier studios to make f1 manager games
Let’s get BTCC and IndyCar in Gran Turismo 7 and Forza Motorsport 8!
ouch...... I guess going all out is too intense getting licensing with all those company. Maybe they should have done 1 licensing instead of all those title to see if it financially visible. Just saying then again I am not the one running a company.
Id say nascar and indycar or nascar and wec
I'm so happy that Motorsports Scams is finally going down. This scam of a company created by Russian grift artists rolled up, bought two competent estabilished dev studios that made rFactor2 and Kartkraft, and then took up to buying out all of those exclusivity deals, only to either make absolute shit games (NASCAR 21 Ignition) or just straight up don't make a game (everything else, especially Indycar and maybe excluding WEC, as they might actually deliver that game). This "publisher" ruined content and eSports events for other sims for the past 3 years at least, delaying their content plans and making them not able to run events, like the Indycar and Le Mans DLCs for AMS2 that were canceled, or the iRacing 24h of Le Mans that weren't run in those years as they used to.
And then the CEO grift artists ran away with the money, opened up the IPO and now are long gone, leaving the sinking ship behind ruining the livelihood of the rF2 devs. If only those assholes could be arrested for what they did.
Prime example of a company that aimed too high too fast they should have picked three licenses and stuck with that, shame they sold the NASCAR license to I Racing that's one company that should be yeeted from existence.
Dudes got so caught up in money, shares, investing, stock market they forgot they had to make games, they put 0 investment into it.
Codemasters should make a new BTCC game OR remake ToCA 2 or ToCA 1
They robbed us on ignition lol!!! Someone needs to go to jail
Skill issue
As a nascar fan and an avid player of nascar games this who thing has just been annoying and sad, we get a mid game in heat 5, and then we get 21 which was trash, then we get nothing, pathetic
Imagine calling yourself Motorsport Games and unironically are bad at making Motorsport Games.
How can anyone buy Le Mans Ultimate if essentially the studio is going to close and the game won’t be supported post launch both for dlc and technical issues.
Take me back to the Eutechnyx saga…
just imagine Hypercars, LMP2 and GT3LM in AC2...
They should of made one deal with one of those racing leagues like BTCC to make a game but they been exaggerated by getting more.
I guess it will be a good thing in terms of not having world tournaments being hosted on rf2 anymore after the whole ddos disaster
I'm genuinely surprised the whole deal with motorsport games has been relatively under the radar. Ive been following this whole debacle for a while now and it's truly absurd.
Man, those NASCAR Heat games were pretty atrocious. I hope someone actually decent gets the licenses (or, y'know, make the licenses non-exclusive) so we can get some decent games out there.
Loved this type of video, I would watch more!
Heat was Monster games then it went to 704 games, then MSG purchased 704 and the exclusive rights, Ignition was a dumpster fire and one of the only games that they actually made and it failed
Exclusive licensing is one of the worst thing in the gaming industry ever imo
Le Mans "im gonna end this mans entire career"
Actually MSG didn’t make the NASCAR Heat series that was 704games who was bought out
Not stonks
In this day and age when devs sell roster updates for full price admission (NHL, Madden, looking at you), how ANYONE can sign an exclusive interactives deal for their league/series, is beyond my ken.