damn audio doesn't match up with the video again, for some reason when I edit longer phone videos this happens Im upgrading my editing software this year sometime so that will help...sorry in the mean time...
Thanks for the honest story Jeff. It's always important to consider the many different decisions one must make in a situation such as this. Trigger time is important, but the mind is the more important weapon to train.
+Duke Silver the first step in cleaning a chimney is not climbing on the roof and scrubbing the chimney. the first step involves bringing your big heavy high volume canister HEPA vac into the house and sealing off the fireplace.
If I found a chimney sweep on my roof with a moustache, I would've joined him up there with a beer. But that's because I am Australian and I don't have a chimney...
just an FYI I wasnt saying of the guy was running away I would shoot him, perhaps I should have explained that better no need to comment 100 times on that...Also in case people dont know here in PA we have whats called the castle doctrine, I can use lethal force to protect my property as well as protect myself...
Yeah, if some strange man is on my roof, while they think nobody is home, I'll be sure to ask for his insurance information. They surely mean no harm, and they especially wouldn't be doing anything malicious on my roof. Not to mention the lack of vehicle, making me think he doesn't want his vehicle to be seen. Thanks for the insight, man. You're a true prophet.
All the house painters and roofers around here wear white pants for some reason... Always struck me as odd because they get absolutely filthy by the end of the day.
That was an awesome story while driving on nice smooth roads. Not a bumpy road whatsoever. I try to do that here in NYC and forget it. Keep up the great vids!
Most crooks will come knock on the door first before they break in to see if anybody is home. And if you answer they will always either act like they are there for a job or looking for somebody that doesn't live there. The fact that he parked up the street is very suspicious. If you're a worker you want your truck with all your tools to be as close to the job as you can get it so you don't have to walk back and forth to get tools and whatever. I think you did the right thing Jeff. I hope you got his name and the name of the company he works for so you can look it up and see if it's a real company.
Sounded to me like he said the worker parked his truck on the street in front of his house as opposed to in his driveway. The latter is what he would expect a worker to do.
that really depends on the parking situation or that the guy was clearly lost. He could have driven past, stopped a couple of houses up thinking he saw the right number and decided to carry the ladder and brush instead of turning the truck around. definitely doesnt justify pulling a gun on the guy.
The amount of keyboard warriors in these comments who actually think a sensible person wouldn't be immediately suspicious of an unknown and unannounced person on their roof with no general idea of their intentions or if they are armed or not makes me believe that the majority of these people should just can it. It's his property, and a random stranger was on his roof doing who knows what, at a questionable time, and remember, he did not announce himself. That is technically trespassing on his home property by not announcing himself and coming onto the home itself. He had all the right reasons to draw his firearm and ask what the fuck he was doing on his roof, and notice he said he didn't point it at him at all.
Also notice that simply if the guy ran he would have shot him. Make us gun owners proud and legit, not make us look like f'n guntards in an already bad environment.
Wow, thats not even right dude, its not the easiest being a youtuber ya know, he most likely doenst have the biggest and baddest camera with the best mic out there, he most likely has a small vlogging camera, which is fine, I love his content either way
Lay off Jeff he did the right thing. I'm a twenty year retired police officer. There was a perceived threat to his property and since he was home. A threat to his life. He was ready to defend himself if needed. That guy was an idiot for not a making contact with the resident before he climbed onto the roof.
In Germany you would get in big trouble if you pepper spray a guy that broke in to your house and is now standing next to you in your bedroom or while you are dropping something into your damn toilet (you know what I mean :) ). The guy that just broke into your house can go to the law and request an injury award. You almost have to be like: Hello Mr. Thief! How you doing? Do you wanna have coffee? Oh yes? Black or with milk? Okay and some sugar. What are looking for? Ah okay. I'll help you searching and bringing the stuff to your truck. What's wrong with Germany?! Anyway Greetings from Germany...
You have become a soft country, that's a shame, Germany used to be a power to fear worldwide, now it's still powerful (most powerful force in Europe) but it doesn't have the same weight world-wide if you know what I mean.
I'm a handyman. I'm sent to rental houses every day to fix stuff. 90 percent of the time I'm given a key or a code to just go in the occupied house and get to work. If I was doing exterior work on a rental house. Like a roof repair or winterizing a swam cooler I would not be knocking on the door. The Landlord usually notifies the tenant that someone will be out to work on the house. Sometimes they forget. Don't be so quick on the draw.
Amen.... I don't see why a gun came out? The guy is on a roof.... he's really not a direct threat.... I can understand having it concealed but to pull it bark orders..???
Congrats. you just shot the meter reader. Johnny tell him what he won, "10 year of brutal ass rape in a max security prison, but wait there is more. You made the entire gun community look like a bunch of ass hats."
If you starting trespassing on someone's property without alerting the tenant first you risk your life. The landlord should notify the tenant to expect you, it's your duty to alert the tenant when you arrive. Otherwise you're a trespasser and fair game for self-defence.
Holy shit, dude! I'm glad everyone's ok! I live in a free carry state (Vermont) and I can't get over the number of contractors I've had that just pull in the driveway and start walking through the yard without knocking on the door first. So stupid.
let the internet lawyering begin. it's terrifying what some people interpret "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" to mean, not to mention thinking they're magic phrases that will protect them from prosecution, both criminal and civil.
Maybe its just me but it sounds like the guy was trying to case the house. No legit company starts climbing on random houses without knocking and talking to the owners/residents. Especially in case they get the wrong house and end up doing a job for free because they didnt verify the address. The fact that the truck wasnt in the driveway makes it seem like he was walking down the street for an empty looking house. Hopefully a report was filed!
Well I used to have a government job, and they always wanted me to park in the street and not the driveway. I am sure his company is similar. White pants for a chimney sweep though....anything white is kind of odd. Climbing the roof without contacting the owner first, also very odd. He may had just been not that experienced or really dumb though, but casing the house is defiantly not off the table.
How do you know the worker did not talk to the person he thot he was helping & the owner said "I won't be home so go ahead and do it anyway." Or something of the sort
furthermore it's a stupid thing for the homeowner to tell them to do, what if a curious neighbor sees this and thinks you are getting robbed, what if one of your family members stops by your house unannounced and thinks you are getting robbed etc.
You did the right thing. You checked into the suspicious noise, confronted the guy, and never had to actually point your gun at him. Having the gun ready was reasonable, but you really did handle it right.
And THIS irresponsibility is why there needs to be a higher bar when it comes to gun ownership. Dude, I like your Balisong reviews, but you considered murdering someone because they made a mistake about an address. What if he was just scared cuz you pulled a gun on him, so he dives for cover? Would you have killed this guy? Jesus.What if he had a gun too? What if he just started firing at you because he's trying to do his job and some crazy dude pulls a gun on him? And here's what you do when you determine he's not a threat. Put the fucking gun away. You're watching the guy be scared as shit because you're currently holding something that could kill him. Holster the fucking thing so he's not scared, huh? That's on you.
1. Slightly pointing your gun at someone doesn't mean you have to shoot that person. 2. When Jeff says he would have shot him, I doubt he would have "murdered" him. Most likely, if that had happened, he would have fired a shot to incapacitate him. The roof guy was unarmed anyways, why would Jeff need to end the guy's life?
***** Dude you pull a gun on somebody you better be ready to end that person's life, because otherwise you shouldn't be threatening it. Folks don't take guns as seriously as they should, they think they have total control over the situation. Accidents happen all the time, and you might just mean to scare someone and end up killing them anyway. Jeff may not *want* to kill someone, but you pull a gun on someone and you've put their life at risk. If you put a strangers life at risk without wanting to, you aren't taking your gun seriously.
+jetsgo66 yeah. that's worth a death sentence. if he needs to bring a gun thats one thing, but at least take a look at what's going on and see if the other guy is armed or a danger before you pull the gun, and for fucks sake put it away once you've determined there is no threat. I already said this but it deserves stressing: pulling a gun is one step from killing someone, so you really need to make sure you've done your part to pay respects to the seriousness of that situation. a gun is not a toy.
Gabriel Cember You can pull the gun, you don't have to point it at the guy. I personally don't agree with pointing it directly at a guy with a brush in his hand, however, in this case Jeff didn't have to shoot the guy, even though he pointed the gun directly at him for a brief moment.
+CartoonsPlural Yeah I mean I guess that's fine... just dont point the shit at the guy, and once you realize you dont need the gun it goes right back in the holster so this roofer isn't shitting himself.
I don't know about where you live, but here it is suggested you call the police and let them know that you had to draw your firearm on someone so that if the other person calls and says you were brandishing, you have your story on record first.
I think you passed the test to bro. when it comes to things like sudden shtf everyone likes to think how they'd react and don't like that think they'd fail but you really don't know till you face the multiple situations that can test you! thanks for sharing
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest. Ask yourself these types of questions... Do you know everything about that person? Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader? Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence? Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison? Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible. Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else? Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
To everyone getting hurt when Jeff said he might have shot him if he ran, did you not stop to think Jeff might have meant if he ran towards him? Running doesn't necessarily mean running away. You can cover a lot of ground in a short period if you have a gun pointed at you.
You should reupload the video with the audio synced and without the line about shooting him if he ran (everyone is complaining about it even though it didn't sound bad to me). I understand what you meant by it but a jury might not, just in case you have any trouble with the law in the future. Thanks for the video anyway.
I feel like most people have had thoughts that could possibly get them in trouble or stir people the wrong way. I just think that him talking about the situation the same day it happened as well as it being unscripted led to him say something that he probably didn't mean to say in the way he said it. Now I don't know him personally so I can't speak on his behalf, but I've been watching the channel for a couple of years and I do believe he's a good person. He would have had every right to shoot at a possible thief doing something really shady on his property even if afterwards he found out he wasn't a real threat. But, he didn't and when the situation was de-escalated he was glad he didn't because he was most likely just an idiot that made a few mistakes
personally I don't blame you for doing saying and thinking as you did..point blank . robbers today at least in my area..Indianapolis,Indiana aren't just robbing people of belongings, they are taking lives..murdering people.
So you go outside and you see a bear on your property and you pull your gun and the bear runs away all is good, but you see a guy on your roof and you said if he ran you would have shot him?????
the big difference between a bear and a person is that the bear is going to attack you really ONLY if it wants to eat you or protect itself or cubs, people will/do atack others for a multitude of unfathomable reasons if they are crazy or simply for a watch, ring, $, ect. I'm going out on a limb and will say that I don't believe he would have shot the guy if he was running AWAY from him. long story short is that it's easier to trust and figure out the intention of a bear than a person
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest. Ask yourself these types of questions... Do you know everything about that person? Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader? Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence? Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison? Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible. Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else? Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
***** Ever heard of back boilers for hot water? Not everybody is connected to gas mains. And, summertime has cool moments. Either way, watch your smart mouth.
Right and if he ran and you shot him, your ass is going to prison. This guy really needs to understand what justifies the use of deadly force in self defense before being allowed to own a firearm.
Great story, but you might rethink the line that needs to be crossed to shoot someone and be in compliance with the law. If he ran and you shot him, you would likely be charged. Was your life in danger? Nope. Did he have a weapon? Nope. You're totally right, but just a friendly warning that the law would likely not have been on your side if you shot him.
Yeah I'm an hvac technician and I'll knock on the front and carport door but will not go around back, there was a guy that got shot in Texas for going around to the back just to knock. I carry concealed to so I completely understand where you were coming from lol
Moving forward, I think it would be wise to contact the person who's chimney he was supposed to sweep and verify his story. If it was bogus, you should report him to the police. Hope you got a plate and/or pic of his truck.
Please consider not shooting someone if they run away. IMO bad guy or not, fleeing equates to no threat. Aggressively running at you, fire away, but I wouldn't call it a good shoot if dude is running away. Glad you did you have to use your gun.
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest. Ask yourself these types of questions... Do you know everything about that person? Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader? Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence? Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison? Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible. Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else? Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
@@grizzlycountry1030 that's a lot of whataboutism my guy. First, being sued for not shooting someone is simply not going to happen. If they run from me, it's conceivable they'll run from others. I don't know everything about that person, so I equally don't know whether or not they'll reoffend. I can't guarantee any of that shit, and unless they are an immediate threat to someone else, it's not my duty to kill someone based on what they may or may not do in a hypothetical future event.
I think you handled that situation as professionally as possible. When someone is on your property without notice 1,000 things are going through your head at a the minute. Out of all the ways that could of gone that was probably the best. Where I come from you don't go on to someones property unless you have permission. Even if they called you before hand and said it is fine, every person that provides a service always in my cases have knocked to at least check if someone is home so they know that they will be working if they are home. Even with the surprise of him being on the roof you still gave him the benefit of the doubt and didn't point it right as his body.
Jeff you are certainly entitled to your opinion but if you are interested in hearing another point of view I'll toss it to you. You know I carry every day and certainly firearms are an integral part of my home protection. But I gotta say I really can't imagine seeing this as a mortal threat in the middle of the day enough to have actually considered shooting the guy, regardless of local statutes. He was on your house not in it or in any plausible postions which could be construed as trying to get in, not to mention unarmed and trapped on a roof. If he reacted any other way you would have shot him? Jeff: "wtf are you doing on my roof?" Guy (who's having a moody day) "I'm Santa here to deliver early xmas gifts you homo what does it look like? If you don't put that piece away I'm gonna come down there and shove it up your ass.". Jeff: bang bang bang? Being silly but that could easily have happened.
How couldn't he have gotten in the house from the roof? Chimney skylight? Have you ever heard of drug addicts? You never know what someone is doing or why they're doing it. Especially in the world we live in today.
+jacobhorvath1 I think you're missing my point. lol. For a multitude of reasons all mistakes like this one was someone might be outside the house on property. At any time on any day there could be one of a dozen workers on mine for example. If someone hasn't entered or forcibly trying to enter I'm simply saying I'm not going to escalate by drawing down on them. Jeff is a good guy and his own man and he ultimately made the right choice. I'm just playing devils advocate for his benefit as he is a conscientious person. Giving him something to think about as to his reaction
You were in the right to draw your gun, but your comments throughout the video tell me that you are far too willing to shoot someone without good cause. I say this as a CHL holder in Texas who carries regularly. Being legal and being right are two very different things. there was no reason for you to not go back inside and call the police based on the story you provided.
I was thinking the same thing. There is no threat to your life with him being on the roof. You would have had no justifiable cause to shoot the chimney sweep. Stick to shooting squirrels with your Taurus 357, 7 shot, snub nose.
I agree 100% and not to mention pulling a gun on an unarmed person that's aggravated assault in the first degree you would have went to jail if cops were on site the other guy would have walked even if he didn't have paperwork.
Don't you rent that house? Idk what the law is in PA, but in NJ the landlord can dispatch someone to work on the property/exterior without giving notice.
dude, you need to chill. even on the roof you cant shoot someone. they need to be in the house. you should've called the cops. overreaction like this give us gun owners a bad rep
That actually depends on where you live. Many places it doesn't matter if they are they are in the house. They could be in the yard, in your car, on your roof, in your house, trying to break into your car/house or just stealing other property. If your city, county or state says they have to be inside your house it's time to move.
Had kind of the same thing here. Guy walking around yard at 7am during the week. Got the S&W 686 2" barrel. Opened the side door and he was probably 30' away. He said he was from roadrunner cable. He started walking up my ramp. The gun was raised a little. He said you won't shoot me would you. The person with me said "Yes if you keep approaching me. We told you there is no address like that anywhere around here." He calmly backed up and went towards his truck. Then said again would you have shot me? Without thinking she said. "Yes and wouldn't of thought twice." lol. Good for you
Why shoot someone when no harm is being done? After seeing it is a unarmed person you should have it straight down talking to him. How are you protecting your property or house when no harm is being done? People make mistakes so i hope this mistakes gives you common sense about when to shoot people.
I love a lot of your videos Cutlerylover but I am shocked that you said "if he got scared and like ran or something, I would have f****n shot that guy". This is why so many people are disturbed with all the gun owners and laws in America. If someone is running away scared you are willing to shoot them in the back. That is absurd. Even if they were robbing the place don't you think a life is worth more than some possessions. You talk about how high the responsibility level is at the end of the video . If shooting someone in the back who is running away from you is your idea of a high level of responsibility then I suggest you need to really examine your ideals.
The law is the law. If its legal to shoot someone on your property for trespassing or trying to break in then its legal. The criminals know the laws on use of force just like we do. So it they decide to do it anyways that means they are willing to die and thus a dangerous person. If you shoot a criminal you just did society a great service. That's the most moral thing you can do imo. Today hes trying to break in to your house and tomorrow who knows. Maybe he goes on to beat, rape or murder someone else and you could have stopped him. Then you have to live with that.
drtrolish Saying it is legal too so therefor it is ok is a load of crap. Slavery used to be legal. Sure you could get away with it because the law was on your side but it is still a highly immoral act. Same with shooting someone in the back trying to run away from you. And you can't act based on what someone might do in the future you can only act based on what they are doing at the time.
scottecooke In your world maybe its immoral. In my world the only good criminal scumbag is a dead one. If the law allows you to use force in that instance then thats all that matters. Want to avoid that situation ? Then don't be a criminal scumbag, its really that simple. This ain't Europe over here my friend. Best learn that.
drtrolish Lol I don't live in Europe and I don't plan on robbing anyone so don't bother with the "best learn that". More matters than just what the law says like I said slavery used to be legal. I guess if it was legal is that still all that would matter to you or do you view it as wrong still. There are plenty of example I could come up with to make the same point. But perhaps it doesn't matter. I believe human life is valuable independent of behavior. If they are just running away from being scared then that is absurd to shoot them. If they are running away with your kid then I have no issue with shooting then.
the comment was not explained well thats all, I wouldn't shoot anyone unless I felt they were a threat a stranger on my roof is a threat if he ran away I would NOT have shot him in the back, I would have shot him if he ran towards me or tried to enter my home...
You have a low bar for using deadly force. Although you may survive a jury trial you will be taken to the poor house in a civil trial. Dude not a threat, not in your house and not threatening grievous bodily harm. Even if he walked up to you and slapped you, you can't shoot the dude and expect to not be financially ruined. Learn proper self defense scenarios, not what will get you in big trouble one day.
theres a problem if you have to think about your financial future before you kill another human being thats a moot point...IMO of course if I kill someone its because I felt if I didnt I would die...even though its legal to kill to protect property I wouldnt...just making a point
Good video Jeff, but next time, if this ever happens again, be sure to handle it with a bit more caution. You were right, the guy should not have been on your roof without notice, but remember to handle a situation such as this with better caution.
It's obvious that a lot of people in the comment section have no idea about dangerous situations and how quickly they unfold, nor have they ever been in danger or had something malicious happen to them. Honestly how anyone is denigrating a thoughtful appraisal of this situation with an appropriate response is silly to me. I think it was handled very intelligently with the exact application of force (NONE).
+Infinite Cuber that could be a cover. I can pretend to work for anyone I want. I'm pretty sure if he was legit, CL could call the company to confirm too.
Construction workers who were doing office renovations robbed credit cards from the purses of my girlfriend's office mates. They went out to lunch for 20 minutes to find 1 card missing from each of 4 purses. You can have a job, and be a thief.
"Depending on how he reacted, I may have shot him." An explanation for those who don't get it: It's entirely possible he COULD have reacted by reaching for a gun, or for something else that made it look like he was reaching for a gun. The chimney sweep was the one in the wrong here. Yes, it would have been tragic if he had been shot, but it would have been his fault (if head had "reached"). Jeff is NOT saying "oh, if he hadn't said who he was, I would have shot him", or "oh, if he had started doing the waltz while making grunting noises, I would have shot him". As for later in the video, when he said he would have shot him if he "ran or something", reference the annotation at the start. Clearly he was thinking more about the "or something" part than the "if he ran" part.
Yeah what if the guy pulled a gun and shot jeff then these people would be like well you should have went outside armed har har har, you lose either way with these idiots commenting.
I don't think you passed the "test" with the guy on your roof. The fire arm should have remained holstered the entire time, there was no actual threat and brandishing the weapon was unnecessary and irresponsible. A pistol shouldn't leave the holster until you're ready to use it, and if you've no idea what is going on you're probably not ready to use your gun.
+rhcpjfguitar How do you know it wasn't? Know what the difference between a truly life threatening situation and a threat? A second or two. Shit in real life happens so quickly. Reaction is useless without preparation. What did he do wrong?
Castle doctrine allows you to use deadly force on any intruders to your of your property for any reason. You actually don't even have to say anything to them. You can legally shoot and unarmed human being who is intruding in your home or outdoor property. Trespassing is illegal and is widely considered as a threat.
BEING ARMED IS ESSENTIAL. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. good call my friend ! Good thing u had the option and had everything under control DO to HAVING A FIREARM.😎
I appreciate your response to the part about not shooting anyone running away. Thank you for your understanding. I also understand your reference to he "Castle Doctrine". But as an attorney, I'd advise everyone to get competent legal advice on that. It really isn't about protecting mere property....although one can legally assume that if someone forcibly enters your "castle", to take your stuff...they also intend to inflict bodily harm or death to an occupant, and that such a presumed threat is "imminent" under most circumstances. But be careful with that assumption. There are many misconceptions about PA's Castle Doctrine. I write this with all respect to you, Cutlerylover, since I believe you are a fine gentleman with much to offer the knife and firearms community. I would urge you to keep up the good work. All my best to you and yours (P.S. I have about 30 or 40 knives I wouldn't mind trading....stay in touch.)
He agreed he would not do that. He explained that in the video, he did not articulate that part of the story sufficiently well. It was a misunderstanding. I believe he truly IS a responsible, law-abiding, gun owner. I continue to respect him.
Stephen Ciavarri He didn't actually explain what he really meant. All he said is that he didn't explain it clearly, and didn't try to explain what he was really trying to say.
What a lot of online chairborne operators don't realize is that even if you are "justified" in shooting someone you are still going to face a long expensive trial to prove your innocence. Hey if you are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees because you killed a guy to defend your roof then be my guest.
as a conceal carry owner, you cannot legally pull your gun or shoot unless your life is put in danger. If they were running away, even with a knife in hand, there is no danger to you and you cannot shoot. if you catch them breaking into your house and yell, they turn and run, you cannot shoot. Only when you are being put in the life or death situation. even getting involved in a situation that is not direct to you, is a very gray area. In this situation he did everything right. except I would have called the cops and let them work out the detail of wrong address. Odd his truck was parked so far away. We've had this happen in our neighborhood and it was a cable company. Had flyers and note book and outfit. would come up and knock. no one answered, kicked in the door, grab and run. if someone did answer, then had an excuse and go through a cable speal then would leave.
Santa wanted to give you some presents and you pulled a GUN on him? Lol all jokes aside I support you these ding dongs don’t know anything if a random dude comes into my house…Keep in mind you dopes it’s my house and I’ll defend it
Dude! You way over reacted to that situation. I'm sorry Jeff but that whole situation was stupid all the way around. If he would have ran you would have shot him? How is him running away a threat? The dude was on your roof with a chimney sweep, you were on the ground. So you were both what 20-30 feet away from each other? He was not a threat in that moment. He was not being aggressive. Why would you even start to raise your weapon in that situation? You are BOTH very lucky you didn't shot him. I realize at the time you were trying to understand the situation but did you feeling as if your life or someone else's was in jeopardy. Did you feel a high risk of harm to yourself? I was with you all the way up to you seeing the dude on your roof with a chimney sweep and you raising your weapon. I am glad you had your revolver. I'm glad you were ready. And I am very glad you did not shoot him.
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest. Ask yourself these types of questions... Do you know everything about that person? Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader? Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence? Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison? Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible. Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else? Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
You did well Jeff. (Hope I spelled your name correctly) I would have acted similarly because I have skylights and I've known of two businesses local to me that have been robbed through their skylights, one was a pharmacy and the other was my favorite local gun store. So yeah, I'd have wanted to know why he was on my roof too and there would have been a firearm in my hands too. A couple of years ago a black bear cub was stuck in the redwoods across the street from me. He fell from the tree and started... well kinda bawling. Momma came crashing through the woods while I trucked it into the house. Luckily my neighbors dogs were inside that day.
He lives secluded from most other people, this isn't some busy are where lots of foot traffic is. He heard something on his roof while he was inside his house, he comes out and sees a guy on his roof. Whatever that guy's intentions were, his immediate instinct would be to protect his house and himself. If his wife were in there, she would've gotten frightened too. With a house like that with a potential entry point, that's an actual possibility, especially if this guy was casing his house.
thank you for sharing that experience, you were ready to protect your household, you handled it well and getting all kinds of crap over how you worded your explanation of the incident to your viewers...not easy for you, sorry that happened hopefully you are an even better person for the experience...
damn audio doesn't match up with the video again, for some reason when I edit longer phone videos this happens Im upgrading my editing software this year sometime so that will help...sorry in the mean time...
its fine dude
ive heard soney vegas is a good softwere to use.
its all good!!
+Joe Williams sony*
Phones make for shoddy cameras, no matter what the sales pitches say, esp. for longer videos.
Intruder: "I'm the chimney cleaner."
Jeff: "Oh yeah, excellent, I'm the lead enema therapist, just say when."
They call me Eddie Knives make your move!
JESUS CHRIST THERES A BEAR ON MY ROOF
Nope, Chuck Testa.
I busted out laughing when he said that too.
ive watched this video about 15 times since it was released and at that part i always lose it
LLLMMMAAAOOO "there's a bear on my roof" had me dying HAHAHA
Thanks for the honest story Jeff. It's always important to consider the many different decisions one must make in a situation such as this. Trigger time is important, but the mind is the more important weapon to train.
A chimney cleaner who doesn't knock or check the address is not worth the work they give.
probably not everyone sucks at their job where I l,ive...at lest the people who I have interacted with
unless...maybe the person who actually did hire him told him they weren't going to be home and to just go on up and clean it
Maybe he was cleaning more then chimneys, but this way he was checking if someone's home, lol. Good story Jeff.
+Duke Silver the first step in cleaning a chimney is not climbing on the roof and scrubbing the chimney. the first step involves bringing your big heavy high volume canister HEPA vac into the house and sealing off the fireplace.
+JamesEarlCash I'm pretty sure there's better ways to check if someone's home... The door is a good option, for example.
If I found a chimney sweep on my roof with a moustache, I would've joined him up there with a beer. But that's because I am Australian and I don't have a chimney...
Jesus Christ its Jason Bear
This just made my day
Stewart Cox hahahahahaha
Jason cow
just an FYI I wasnt saying of the guy was running away I would shoot him, perhaps I should have explained that better no need to comment 100 times on that...Also in case people dont know here in PA we have whats called the castle doctrine, I can use lethal force to protect my property as well as protect myself...
+bratanvova and he didn't
+bratanvova Which he didn't. He said in the video that he asked the guy *what the fuck are you doing?*
+bratanvova you have to understand, he better have a damn good reason to be on my roof without talking to me first.
Yeah, if some strange man is on my roof, while they think nobody is home, I'll be sure to ask for his insurance information. They surely mean no harm, and they especially wouldn't be doing anything malicious on my roof. Not to mention the lack of vehicle, making me think he doesn't want his vehicle to be seen. Thanks for the insight, man. You're a true prophet.
You are forgetting the part about where you are in fear for your life. A dude on the roof, even one running towards you doesn't cover that dude.
what kind of chimney sweep shows up in white pants...
thats what i was thinking
They were dirty though... Lol
Maybe they were really good pants? Doesn't matter what color they are if you clean chimneys for a living.
A dapper one with a moustache.
All the house painters and roofers around here wear white pants for some reason... Always struck me as odd because they get absolutely filthy by the end of the day.
That was an awesome story while driving on nice smooth roads. Not a bumpy road whatsoever. I try to do that here in NYC and forget it. Keep up the great vids!
" hey Bobby! "
" yea! "
" the fucking bear is on our roof again! "
Most crooks will come knock on the door first before they break in to see if anybody is home. And if you answer they will always either act like they are there for a job or looking for somebody that doesn't live there. The fact that he parked up the street is very suspicious. If you're a worker you want your truck with all your tools to be as close to the job as you can get it so you don't have to walk back and forth to get tools and whatever. I think you did the right thing Jeff. I hope you got his name and the name of the company he works for so you can look it up and see if it's a real company.
Heck they will break into a house pushing a lawn mower It happens all the time, so chimney sweep tool not a far stretch.
Sounded to me like he said the worker parked his truck on the street in front of his house as opposed to in his driveway. The latter is what he would expect a worker to do.
+Amie Compton small world. i saw a comment just like that on a skallagrim video
that really depends on the parking situation or that the guy was clearly lost. He could have driven past, stopped a couple of houses up thinking he saw the right number and decided to carry the ladder and brush instead of turning the truck around.
definitely doesnt justify pulling a gun on the guy.
The amount of keyboard warriors in these comments who actually think a sensible person wouldn't be immediately suspicious of an unknown and unannounced person on their roof with no general idea of their intentions or if they are armed or not makes me believe that the majority of these people should just can it. It's his property, and a random stranger was on his roof doing who knows what, at a questionable time, and remember, he did not announce himself. That is technically trespassing on his home property by not announcing himself and coming onto the home itself. He had all the right reasons to draw his firearm and ask what the fuck he was doing on his roof, and notice he said he didn't point it at him at all.
Finally a smart common sense comment. 👍🏻
Also notice that simply if the guy ran he would have shot him. Make us gun owners proud and legit, not make us look like f'n guntards in an already bad environment.
Good on you for being prepared and handling the situation calmly. You're a great role model for the community.
Nice to see another weapon enthusiast who is an animal lover. I'm not the only one! 😃
Last time I was this early audio was still in sync
Wow, thats not even right dude, its not the easiest being a youtuber ya know, he most likely doenst have the biggest and baddest camera with the best mic out there, he most likely has a small vlogging camera, which is fine, I love his content either way
+Christian Turner It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
RUclips Plague I know, it was a joke, but still, he did try hard, ya gotta give him that
+Christian Turner true
RUclips Plague Lol nice talking to ya
When you said he had something in his right hand, I was expecting a fiddle.
Fiddler on the roof. Bad- a-boom
Lay off Jeff he did the right thing. I'm a twenty year retired police officer. There was a perceived threat to his property and since he was home. A threat to his life. He was ready to defend himself if needed. That guy was an idiot for not a making contact with the resident before he climbed onto the roof.
In Germany you would get in big trouble if you pepper spray a guy that broke in to your house and is now standing next to you in your bedroom or while you are dropping something into your damn toilet (you know what I mean :) ). The guy that just broke into your house can go to the law and request an injury award.
You almost have to be like: Hello Mr. Thief! How you doing? Do you wanna have coffee? Oh yes? Black or with milk? Okay and some sugar. What are looking for? Ah okay. I'll help you searching and bringing the stuff to your truck.
What's wrong with Germany?!
Anyway Greetings from Germany...
You have become a soft country, that's a shame, Germany used to be a power to fear worldwide, now it's still powerful (most powerful force in Europe) but it doesn't have the same weight world-wide if you know what I mean.
So many triggered people in the comment section.
I'm a handyman. I'm sent to rental houses every day to fix stuff. 90 percent of the time I'm given a key or a code to just go in the occupied house and get to work. If I was doing exterior work on a rental house. Like a roof repair or winterizing a swam cooler I would not be knocking on the door. The Landlord usually notifies the tenant that someone will be out to work on the house. Sometimes they forget. Don't be so quick on the draw.
If someone doesn't knock on my door and randomly shows up and is walking around my house, i'm drawing and seeing what they are doing.
The Handym
Amen.... I don't see why a gun came out? The guy is on a roof.... he's really not a direct threat.... I can understand having it concealed but to pull it bark orders..???
Congrats. you just shot the meter reader. Johnny tell him what he won, "10 year of brutal ass rape in a max security prison, but wait there is more. You made the entire gun community look like a bunch of ass hats."
If you starting trespassing on someone's property without alerting the tenant first you risk your life. The landlord should notify the tenant to expect you, it's your duty to alert the tenant when you arrive. Otherwise you're a trespasser and fair game for self-defence.
Holy shit, dude! I'm glad everyone's ok! I live in a free carry state (Vermont) and I can't get over the number of contractors I've had that just pull in the driveway and start walking through the yard without knocking on the door first. So stupid.
let the internet lawyering begin. it's terrifying what some people interpret "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" to mean, not to mention thinking they're magic phrases that will protect them from prosecution, both criminal and civil.
Maybe its just me but it sounds like the guy was trying to case the house. No legit company starts climbing on random houses without knocking and talking to the owners/residents. Especially in case they get the wrong house and end up doing a job for free because they didnt verify the address. The fact that the truck wasnt in the driveway makes it seem like he was walking down the street for an empty looking house. Hopefully a report was filed!
Well I used to have a government job, and they always wanted me to park in the street and not the driveway. I am sure his company is similar. White pants for a chimney sweep though....anything white is kind of odd. Climbing the roof without contacting the owner first, also very odd. He may had just been not that experienced or really dumb though, but casing the house is defiantly not off the table.
If you climb a roof without contacting the person living inside the house then you deserve whatever befalls you.
How do you know the worker did not talk to the person he thot he was helping & the owner said "I won't be home so go ahead and do it anyway." Or something of the sort
Highly unlikely he got the wrong address in the area jeff lives.
furthermore it's a stupid thing for the homeowner to tell them to do, what if a curious neighbor sees this and thinks you are getting robbed, what if one of your family members stops by your house unannounced and thinks you are getting robbed etc.
"Jesus Christ there's a bear on the roof" 😂
Most important thing is you kept your cool and did not emptied the gun on him in a moment of panic.
You did the right thing. You checked into the suspicious noise, confronted the guy, and never had to actually point your gun at him. Having the gun ready was reasonable, but you really did handle it right.
Congratulations on 400,000 subs!! :-)
the real question is, what kind of bear did he mean in the intro? the animal or the one in the LGBT community?
Kappa
both would be equally terrifying
KappaPride
+Amie Compton big black coochie
My gender is black bear and this is offensive to me. I am pressing charges.
And THIS irresponsibility is why there needs to be a higher bar when it comes to gun ownership.
Dude, I like your Balisong reviews, but you considered murdering someone because they made a mistake about an address. What if he was just scared cuz you pulled a gun on him, so he dives for cover? Would you have killed this guy? Jesus.What if he had a gun too? What if he just started firing at you because he's trying to do his job and some crazy dude pulls a gun on him?
And here's what you do when you determine he's not a threat. Put the fucking gun away. You're watching the guy be scared as shit because you're currently holding something that could kill him. Holster the fucking thing so he's not scared, huh? That's on you.
1. Slightly pointing your gun at someone doesn't mean you have to shoot that person.
2. When Jeff says he would have shot him, I doubt he would have "murdered" him. Most likely, if that had happened, he would have fired a shot to incapacitate him. The roof guy was unarmed anyways, why would Jeff need to end the guy's life?
***** Dude you pull a gun on somebody you better be ready to end that person's life, because otherwise you shouldn't be threatening it. Folks don't take guns as seriously as they should, they think they have total control over the situation. Accidents happen all the time, and you might just mean to scare someone and end up killing them anyway.
Jeff may not *want* to kill someone, but you pull a gun on someone and you've put their life at risk. If you put a strangers life at risk without wanting to, you aren't taking your gun seriously.
+jetsgo66 yeah. that's worth a death sentence.
if he needs to bring a gun thats one thing, but at least take a look at what's going on and see if the other guy is armed or a danger before you pull the gun, and for fucks sake put it away once you've determined there is no threat.
I already said this but it deserves stressing: pulling a gun is one step from killing someone, so you really need to make sure you've done your part to pay respects to the seriousness of that situation. a gun is not a toy.
Gabriel Cember You can pull the gun, you don't have to point it at the guy. I personally don't agree with pointing it directly at a guy with a brush in his hand, however, in this case Jeff didn't have to shoot the guy, even though he pointed the gun directly at him for a brief moment.
+CartoonsPlural Yeah I mean I guess that's fine... just dont point the shit at the guy, and once you realize you dont need the gun it goes right back in the holster so this roofer isn't shitting himself.
Glad you acted appropriately and it worked out for you. Good lesson for the rest of us too. Thanks for telling the story.
I lost it at "Oh my god there's a bear on my roof"
I don't know about where you live, but here it is suggested you call the police and let them know that you had to draw your firearm on someone so that if the other person calls and says you were brandishing, you have your story on record first.
I think you passed the test to bro.
when it comes to things like sudden shtf everyone likes to think how they'd react and don't like that think they'd fail
but you really don't know till you face the multiple situations that can test you!
thanks for sharing
You did good bud. You assessed the threat level, determined he wasn't an immediate threat, and proceeded to diffuse the situation. Well done.
it’s better to have it and need it than to need it and not have it.... nobody wants to pay the price for self defense
I hope you aren't involved in a self defense shooting. The prosecution will love this video.
If someone runs because they're scared of your firearm, I doubt they're a threat. Unless it's a tactical retreat I guess.
Damn homie that's nuts. I am very glad nothing happened and everyone is OK!
Sounds like there was an idiot on both sides of that gun.
Why would u even shoot a guy that's running away from you
That's quite a mad thing to do
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest.
Ask yourself these types of questions...
Do you know everything about that person?
Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader?
Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence?
Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison?
Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible.
Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else?
Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
That's crazy bro, but you solved it like a pro
To everyone getting hurt when Jeff said he might have shot him if he ran, did you not stop to think Jeff might have meant if he ran towards him? Running doesn't necessarily mean running away. You can cover a lot of ground in a short period if you have a gun pointed at you.
You should reupload the video with the audio synced and without the line about shooting him if he ran (everyone is complaining about it even though it didn't sound bad to me). I understand what you meant by it but a jury might not, just in case you have any trouble with the law in the future. Thanks for the video anyway.
I feel like most people have had thoughts that could possibly get them in trouble or stir people the wrong way. I just think that him talking about the situation the same day it happened as well as it being unscripted led to him say something that he probably didn't mean to say in the way he said it. Now I don't know him personally so I can't speak on his behalf, but I've been watching the channel for a couple of years and I do believe he's a good person. He would have had every right to shoot at a possible thief doing something really shady on his property even if afterwards he found out he wasn't a real threat. But, he didn't and when the situation was de-escalated he was glad he didn't because he was most likely just an idiot that made a few mistakes
+I Contact As he explained he mentioned if the guy tried to run at him not that he would shoot the guy in the back if he ran away.
What state is he in? some don't even have castle doctrine, meaning you have to flee until you can't before using lethal force.
Yeah Jeff, hide the truth
Jared Hampton the chimney sweep was still on the roof.
personally I don't blame you for doing saying and thinking as you did..point blank .
robbers today at least in my area..Indianapolis,Indiana aren't just robbing people of belongings,
they are taking lives..murdering people.
Emily Uberto yes you are right people here are on bullshit
im from Muncie.
Dr. Murdercock of course you are mister murdercock, of course you are.
i like watching your StoryTime vids while playing with folders...XD
"oh jesus, theres a bear on the roof" 😂😂😂😂😂😂 dude i have legit tears from that.
So you go outside and you see a bear on your property and you pull your gun and the bear runs away all is good, but you see a guy on your roof and you said if he ran you would have shot him?????
haha this is almost as backward as the people who want a "gun free" society.
Ran at him
the big difference between a bear and a person is that the bear is going to attack you really ONLY if it wants to eat you or protect itself or cubs, people will/do atack others for a multitude of unfathomable reasons if they are crazy or simply for a watch, ring, $, ect. I'm going out on a limb and will say that I don't believe he would have shot the guy if he was running AWAY from him.
long story short is that it's easier to trust and figure out the intention of a bear than a person
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest.
Ask yourself these types of questions...
Do you know everything about that person?
Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader?
Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence?
Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison?
Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible.
Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else?
Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
still a bit dodgy.... he didnt knock but what if you had just lit your fire?
in the summertime?
+Gungeek That was a good one.
Hey man if you lived in Pa you'd know there are some cool nights here and there
*****
Ever heard of back boilers for hot water? Not everybody is connected to gas mains. And, summertime has cool moments. Either way, watch your smart mouth.
Carrie Stimson
that was a better joke than mine :)
I lost it when he said "Jesus Christ there's a bear on the roof"😂😂😂😂
Right and if he ran and you shot him, your ass is going to prison. This guy really needs to understand what justifies the use of deadly force in self defense before being allowed to own a firearm.
I like Jeff and I'm a long time viewer but stories like this worry me. too many situations like this
"Hey, got a permit. Goosh I just want to show what that means."
It's amazing how polite people become when you have a pistol in your hand. ;)
"you can get more with gun and a smile than with just a smile"
Great story, but you might rethink the line that needs to be crossed to shoot someone and be in compliance with the law. If he ran and you shot him, you would likely be charged. Was your life in danger? Nope. Did he have a weapon? Nope. You're totally right, but just a friendly warning that the law would likely not have been on your side if you shot him.
I work on houses all of the time and I ALWAYS knock first just to announce myself...just in case.
As you're required to
He's on the roof, you're on the ground and you're thinking you may have to shoot him...... Would they let you make RUclips vids in prison?
I love you man, but this video needs to come down. It really doesn't make you look good. This is the stuff anti-gun people use against us.
It's almost like this is actually how a lot of you act? Hmmmm
It's almost like this is actually how a lot of you act? Hmmmm
you tell someone to kill them self for expressing an opinion? perfect temperament for carrying a firearm dude :D
very mediocre bait, you have a lot of learn.
point proven i think ^^
Yeah I'm an hvac technician and I'll knock on the front and carport door but will not go around back, there was a guy that got shot in Texas for going around to the back just to knock. I carry concealed to so I completely understand where you were coming from lol
Moving forward, I think it would be wise to contact the person who's chimney he was supposed to sweep and verify his story. If it was bogus, you should report him to the police. Hope you got a plate and/or pic of his truck.
Dude, what are you doing sleeping until 8:30? Lucky!
Please consider not shooting someone if they run away. IMO bad guy or not, fleeing equates to no threat. Aggressively running at you, fire away, but I wouldn't call it a good shoot if dude is running away. Glad you did you have to use your gun.
shut the fuck up
@@Its_Danny- no u
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest.
Ask yourself these types of questions...
Do you know everything about that person?
Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader?
Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence?
Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison?
Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible.
Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else?
Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
@@grizzlycountry1030 that's a lot of whataboutism my guy. First, being sued for not shooting someone is simply not going to happen. If they run from me, it's conceivable they'll run from others. I don't know everything about that person, so I equally don't know whether or not they'll reoffend. I can't guarantee any of that shit, and unless they are an immediate threat to someone else, it's not my duty to kill someone based on what they may or may not do in a hypothetical future event.
I think you handled that situation as professionally as possible. When someone is on your property without notice 1,000 things are going through your head at a the minute. Out of all the ways that could of gone that was probably the best. Where I come from you don't go on to someones property unless you have permission. Even if they called you before hand and said it is fine, every person that provides a service always in my cases have knocked to at least check if someone is home so they know that they will be working if they are home. Even with the surprise of him being on the roof you still gave him the benefit of the doubt and didn't point it right as his body.
This is the guy you go too when there's the zombie apocalypse
Jeff you are certainly entitled to your opinion but if you are interested in hearing another point of view I'll toss it to you. You know I carry every day and certainly firearms are an integral part of my home protection. But I gotta say I really can't imagine seeing this as a mortal threat in the middle of the day enough to have actually considered shooting the guy, regardless of local statutes. He was on your house not in it or in any plausible postions which could be construed as trying to get in, not to mention unarmed and trapped on a roof. If he reacted any other way you would have shot him? Jeff: "wtf are you doing on my roof?" Guy (who's having a moody day) "I'm Santa here to deliver early xmas gifts you homo what does it look like? If you don't put that piece away I'm gonna come down there and shove it up your ass.". Jeff: bang bang bang? Being silly but that could easily have happened.
agree
I think Jeff meant if the guy did something stupid like pull a gun or weapon on him.
Read one of his earlier comments. He miss used his words.
How couldn't he have gotten in the house from the roof? Chimney skylight? Have you ever heard of drug addicts? You never know what someone is doing or why they're doing it. Especially in the world we live in today.
+jacobhorvath1 I think you're missing my point. lol. For a multitude of reasons all mistakes like this one was someone might be outside the house on property. At any time on any day there could be one of a dozen workers on mine for example. If someone hasn't entered or forcibly trying to enter I'm simply saying I'm not going to escalate by drawing down on them. Jeff is a good guy and his own man and he ultimately made the right choice. I'm just playing devils advocate for his benefit as he is a conscientious person. Giving him something to think about as to his reaction
You were in the right to draw your gun, but your comments throughout the video tell me that you are far too willing to shoot someone without good cause. I say this as a CHL holder in Texas who carries regularly. Being legal and being right are two very different things. there was no reason for you to not go back inside and call the police based on the story you provided.
I was thinking the same thing. There is no threat to your life with him being on the roof. You would have had no justifiable cause to shoot the chimney sweep. Stick to shooting squirrels with your Taurus 357, 7 shot, snub nose.
I agree 100% and not to mention pulling a gun on an unarmed person that's aggravated assault in the first degree you would have went to jail if cops were on site the other guy would have walked even if he didn't have paperwork.
make more story times please!!!! i love them lol, or could u make a video talking about how things in your life are going ?
Lawyer vs. RUclips ... I think you know the logic.
I had to pull my gun out on a teen trying to rob me
I can understand that, if he was trying to rob you, maybe the guy will learn a lesson
What was his reaction?
Herbert Applebaum after I pulled it on him he started saying plz don't shoot and then started running
Gamer13
Lmao what a righteous moment
RUN LIKE THE WIND! RUN LITTLE CHILD RUN! THE HILLS ARE ALIVE WITH THE SOUNDS OF *chambering noise*
Don't you rent that house? Idk what the law is in PA, but in NJ the landlord can dispatch someone to work on the property/exterior without giving notice.
And they still have to let you know they are there to do work per whoever.
Santa is f*cked if he lands on your roof LOL.
Thank god everything worked out ok. I haven't seen many of your vids recently, Congratulations on your marriage.
Much Love
The same thing happened to me last December, but it was just Santa. I only wounded the old fart.
dude, you need to chill. even on the roof you cant shoot someone. they need to be in the house. you should've called the cops. overreaction like this give us gun owners a bad rep
But he has a gun and all the other stuff. What is the point when there is no ever reason to wave them around?
That actually depends on where you live. Many places it doesn't matter if they are they are in the house. They could be in the yard, in your car, on your roof, in your house, trying to break into your car/house or just stealing other property. If your city, county or state says they have to be inside your house it's time to move.
Had kind of the same thing here. Guy walking around yard at 7am during the week. Got the S&W 686 2" barrel. Opened the side door and he was probably 30' away. He said he was from roadrunner cable. He started walking up my ramp. The gun was raised a little. He said you won't shoot me would you. The person with me said "Yes if you keep approaching me. We told you there is no address like that anywhere around here." He calmly backed up and went towards his truck. Then said again would you have shot me? Without thinking she said. "Yes and wouldn't of thought twice." lol. Good for you
Why shoot someone when no harm is being done? After seeing it is a unarmed person you should have it straight down talking to him. How are you protecting your property or house when no harm is being done? People make mistakes so i hope this mistakes gives you common sense about when to shoot people.
I love a lot of your videos Cutlerylover but I am shocked that you said "if he got scared and like ran or something, I would have f****n shot that guy". This is why so many people are disturbed with all the gun owners and laws in America. If someone is running away scared you are willing to shoot them in the back. That is absurd. Even if they were robbing the place don't you think a life is worth more than some possessions. You talk about how high the responsibility level is at the end of the video . If shooting someone in the back who is running away from you is your idea of a high level of responsibility then I suggest you need to really examine your ideals.
The law is the law. If its legal to shoot someone on your property for trespassing or trying to break in then its legal. The criminals know the laws on use of force just like we do. So it they decide to do it anyways that means they are willing to die and thus a dangerous person. If you shoot a criminal you just did society a great service. That's the most moral thing you can do imo.
Today hes trying to break in to your house and tomorrow who knows. Maybe he goes on to beat, rape or murder someone else and you could have stopped him. Then you have to live with that.
drtrolish Saying it is legal too so therefor it is ok is a load of crap. Slavery used to be legal. Sure you could get away with it because the law was on your side but it is still a highly immoral act. Same with shooting someone in the back trying to run away from you. And you can't act based on what someone might do in the future you can only act based on what they are doing at the time.
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In your world maybe its immoral.
In my world the only good criminal scumbag is a dead one.
If the law allows you to use force in that instance then thats all that matters.
Want to avoid that situation ? Then don't be a criminal scumbag, its really that simple.
This ain't Europe over here my friend. Best learn that.
drtrolish Lol I don't live in Europe and I don't plan on robbing anyone so don't bother with the "best learn that". More matters than just what the law says like I said slavery used to be legal. I guess if it was legal is that still all that would matter to you or do you view it as wrong still. There are plenty of example I could come up with to make the same point. But perhaps it doesn't matter. I believe human life is valuable independent of behavior. If they are just running away from being scared then that is absurd to shoot them. If they are running away with your kid then I have no issue with shooting then.
the comment was not explained well thats all, I wouldn't shoot anyone unless I felt they were a threat a stranger on my roof is a threat if he ran away I would NOT have shot him in the back, I would have shot him if he ran towards me or tried to enter my home...
You have a low bar for using deadly force. Although you may survive a jury trial you will be taken to the poor house in a civil trial. Dude not a threat, not in your house and not threatening grievous bodily harm. Even if he walked up to you and slapped you, you can't shoot the dude and expect to not be financially ruined. Learn proper self defense scenarios, not what will get you in big trouble one day.
Agreed
Jeff had no idea what was happening, he brought the gun out just in case.
Well he did think it was a fucking bear at first. Also he said multiple times he didn't even point the gun directly at him.
Please read the above comment. It is sound advice.
theres a problem if you have to think about your financial future before you kill another human being thats a moot point...IMO of course if I kill someone its because I felt if I didnt I would die...even though its legal to kill to protect property I wouldnt...just making a point
Good video Jeff, but next time, if this ever happens again, be sure to handle it with a bit more caution. You were right, the guy should not have been on your roof without notice, but remember to handle a situation such as this with better caution.
It's obvious that a lot of people in the comment section have no idea about dangerous situations and how quickly they unfold, nor have they ever been in danger or had something malicious happen to them. Honestly how anyone is denigrating a thoughtful appraisal of this situation with an appropriate response is silly to me. I think it was handled very intelligently with the exact application of force (NONE).
I'm pretty sure he was casing your house, no? too many things don't add up
That's what I suspect too.
could be, especially if he had no kind of uniform or work truck or any info about a company
+Infinite Cuber that could be a cover. I can pretend to work for anyone I want. I'm pretty sure if he was legit, CL could call the company to confirm too.
Construction workers who were doing office renovations robbed credit cards from the purses of my girlfriend's office mates. They went out to lunch for 20 minutes to find 1 card missing from each of 4 purses. You can have a job, and be a thief.
Well even if he was "legit" you should never climb on someones roof without their knowledge.
"Depending on how he reacted, I may have shot him."
An explanation for those who don't get it: It's entirely possible he COULD have reacted by reaching for a gun, or for something else that made it look like he was reaching for a gun. The chimney sweep was the one in the wrong here. Yes, it would have been tragic if he had been shot, but it would have been his fault (if head had "reached").
Jeff is NOT saying "oh, if he hadn't said who he was, I would have shot him", or "oh, if he had started doing the waltz while making grunting noises, I would have shot him".
As for later in the video, when he said he would have shot him if he "ran or something", reference the annotation at the start. Clearly he was thinking more about the "or something" part than the "if he ran" part.
Yeah what if the guy pulled a gun and shot jeff then these people would be like well you should have went outside armed har har har, you lose either way with these idiots commenting.
What if he proceeds to take a dump on your roof then can you shoot him
only if he lights his dump on fire, arson anywhere on your property is grounds for protection.
Sadly, Jeff was in the wrong.
I don't think you passed the "test" with the guy on your roof. The fire arm should have remained holstered the entire time, there was no actual threat and brandishing the weapon was unnecessary and irresponsible. A pistol shouldn't leave the holster until you're ready to use it, and if you've no idea what is going on you're probably not ready to use your gun.
As a german I'm confused. There was NO reason to pull your gun!? He was just up there on the roof, not threatening you...
What danger did he pose to you on your roof?
better be glad you didn't shoot him because you would of went to jail for murder. a guy on your roof is not a life threatening situation.
sure is and the castle doctrine protects my property as well as my well being
+cutlerylover how is that life threatening?
+rhcpjfguitar How do you know it wasn't? Know what the difference between a truly life threatening situation and a threat? A second or two. Shit in real life happens so quickly. Reaction is useless without preparation. What did he do wrong?
Castle doctrine allows you to use deadly force on any intruders to your of your property for any reason. You actually don't even have to say anything to them. You can legally shoot and unarmed human being who is intruding in your home or outdoor property. Trespassing is illegal and is widely considered as a threat.
+B33fJ3rk33 sorry man, but your wrong. You have to feel your life is being threatened. You can't just shoot an unarmed individual for no reason.
BEING ARMED IS ESSENTIAL.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
good call my friend ! Good thing u had the option and had everything under control DO to HAVING A FIREARM.😎
I appreciate your response to the part about not shooting anyone running away. Thank you for your understanding. I also understand your reference to he "Castle Doctrine". But as an attorney, I'd advise everyone to get competent legal advice on that. It really isn't about protecting mere property....although one can legally assume that if someone forcibly enters your "castle", to take your stuff...they also intend to inflict bodily harm or death to an occupant, and that such a presumed threat is "imminent" under most circumstances. But be careful with that assumption. There are many misconceptions about PA's Castle Doctrine. I write this with all respect to you, Cutlerylover, since I believe you are a fine gentleman with much to offer the knife and firearms community. I would urge you to keep up the good work. All my best to you and yours (P.S. I have about 30 or 40 knives I wouldn't mind trading....stay in touch.)
What was his response about not shooting anyone running away?
He agreed he would not do that. He explained that in the video, he did not articulate that part of the story sufficiently well. It was a misunderstanding. I believe he truly IS a responsible, law-abiding, gun owner. I continue to respect him.
Also....see for yourself....the explanation he provided as an annotation to his video, above.
Stephen Ciavarri He didn't actually explain what he really meant. All he said is that he didn't explain it clearly, and didn't try to explain what he was really trying to say.
He DID say, however, that he.... "would never shoot anyone running away from me or shoot someone in the back". That is good enough for me.
What a lot of online chairborne operators don't realize is that even if you are "justified" in shooting someone you are still going to face a long expensive trial to prove your innocence. Hey if you are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees because you killed a guy to defend your roof then be my guest.
JESUS CHRIST THERES A BEAR ON THE ROOF
as a conceal carry owner, you cannot legally pull your gun or shoot unless your life is put in danger. If they were running away, even with a knife in hand, there is no danger to you and you cannot shoot. if you catch them breaking into your house and yell, they turn and run, you cannot shoot. Only when you are being put in the life or death situation. even getting involved in a situation that is not direct to you, is a very gray area. In this situation he did everything right. except I would have called the cops and let them work out the detail of wrong address. Odd his truck was parked so far away. We've had this happen in our neighborhood and it was a cable company. Had flyers and note book and outfit. would come up and knock. no one answered, kicked in the door, grab and run. if someone did answer, then had an excuse and go through a cable speal then would leave.
Santa wanted to give you some presents and you pulled a GUN on him? Lol all jokes aside I support you these ding dongs don’t know anything if a random dude comes into my house…Keep in mind you dopes it’s my house and I’ll defend it
um the audio gets delayed at 01:52
Dude! You way over reacted to that situation. I'm sorry Jeff but that whole situation was stupid all the way around. If he would have ran you would have shot him? How is him running away a threat? The dude was on your roof with a chimney sweep, you were on the ground. So you were both what 20-30 feet away from each other? He was not a threat in that moment. He was not being aggressive. Why would you even start to raise your weapon in that situation? You are BOTH very lucky you didn't shot him. I realize at the time you were trying to understand the situation but did you feeling as if your life or someone else's was in jeopardy. Did you feel a high risk of harm to yourself? I was with you all the way up to you seeing the dude on your roof with a chimney sweep and you raising your weapon. I am glad you had your revolver. I'm glad you were ready. And I am very glad you did not shoot him.
Ok let's say you stopped a guy from breaking into your home and/or stealing your car. He runs away. He sees your elderly neighbor 3 houses down the street come out of the house and he forces her back into the house where he kills her then takes off in her car. You could have prevented her murder and you will be sued for failing to stop him. That's why you can and should shoot someone trying to get away. They pose a threat to the public if they evade detention/arrest.
Ask yourself these types of questions...
Do you know everything about that person?
Do you know exactly what they are thinking? Simply put are you a mind reader?
Do you know if they have committed other crimes regardless if over a period of time or over the course of that day? Are they violent crimes or is everything leading up to them committing violence?
Do you know if they escaped jail/prison? Do you know what crimes they committed if they were in jail/prison?
Can you guarantee that they won't harm anyone if you let them escape detention/arrest? If you let them escape and they harm someone you are legally responsible.
Can you deal with a huge financial lawsuit/settlement or losing your job if they harm someone else?
Can you live for the rest of your life knowing that you let them get away and they raped or murdered someone?
I agree entirely with how you handled the situation.
You did well Jeff. (Hope I spelled your name correctly)
I would have acted similarly because I have skylights and I've known of two businesses local to me that have been robbed through their skylights, one was a pharmacy and the other was my favorite local gun store. So yeah, I'd have wanted to know why he was on my roof too and there would have been a firearm in my hands too.
A couple of years ago a black bear cub was stuck in the redwoods across the street from me. He fell from the tree and started... well kinda bawling. Momma came crashing through the woods while I trucked it into the house. Luckily my neighbors dogs were inside that day.
So, If he ran you would have shot him? Sounds like you need to think about getting some formal training Jeff.
hes on he roof not the ground keep it in perspective...
I was thinking the same thing,shooting a guy without any perspective... damn you americans.
+cutlerylover how does that make it any more justified?
He wasn't concealed. As he said, he grabbed a home defense revolver.
Ah, gotcha. On that note, when your first thought is a bear on your roof, you dont want to risk the time to draw. ;D
You didn't have to, you chose to. Take responibility for your actions.
He lives secluded from most other people, this isn't some busy are where lots of foot traffic is. He heard something on his roof while he was inside his house, he comes out and sees a guy on his roof. Whatever that guy's intentions were, his immediate instinct would be to protect his house and himself. If his wife were in there, she would've gotten frightened too. With a house like that with a potential entry point, that's an actual possibility, especially if this guy was casing his house.
thank you for sharing that experience, you were ready to protect your household, you handled it well and getting all kinds of crap over how you worded your explanation of the incident to your viewers...not easy for you, sorry that happened hopefully you are an even better person for the experience...
Jesus Christ there's a bear on the roof 😂😂 that killed me