VSS Vintorez sniper rifle
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- VSS Vintorez sniper rifle
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To those complaining about how loud the rifle is: First, a "silenced" gun is still loud. Much louder than what you see in movies. It's not a badly designed suppressor, it's just how things are in real life.
Second, you can't possibly tell how loud a weapon really is by watching a video. It all depends on the camera's distance and the microphone used. Here's an excellent video that demonstrates the point:
vimeo.com/20869893
I love how the first casing hits the camera.
Also remember that this is a 240p audio file, and the compression causes some awful attenuation to the 1-5 kHz frequencies. Essentially, this has the undesirable effect of boosting the mid-highs of the sound, making the rifle sound louder than it really is. Obviously it's not Hollywood-quiet, but there are plenty of other videos of the VSS and it's sister gun, the AS VAL, where you can hear the sound of the weapons much clearer. It's a bunch of things that determine the overall sound output of a gun, and in this video, you can make out some serious reverberation as the sound of the shot bounces around the trees and whatnot. In a wide open field with nothing for the sound to reverberate off of, these things are remarkably quit when compared to unsuppressed rifles.
The gun is actually quieter than that.
Yes I did read the description.
@Lebanese Crusader your crazy the VSS is very quiet it's not just because of silencer it uses subsonic ammo
The VSS is an extremely well suppressed rifle in terms of noise. You can hear the bolt snapping over the sound of the gunshot. That cracking here shouldn't be anywhere near that loud. What's up?
Well, people keep translating Vintorez like screwblader and so forth, but it actually means screw cutter. Derived from the words Vint and Rezat, means to cut the screw or bolt.
Anyway, yeah it does have an effective range of only 400 meters, but it'll punch through just about any body armor at those ranges. It's a good rifle.
Silent, accurate, semi-automatic, good stopping power. This would make a lovely companion for the zombie apocalypse.
@NKA23 its effective range is about 400 to 600 meters, its a bit low comparing it to other sniper rifles but taking into account that it's silenced and uses a sub-sonic round its quite accurate.
This is probably one of the most innovative sniper rifles ever made.
love how the first shell hit the camera
These are 9 x 39 16 gram bullets. They're specifically designed to be subsonic in order to remain quiet.
Probably my favorite gun. Ahh how beautiful.
The only problem with the Vintorez is that it is limited to about 400m range because of the subsonic ammunition. The SVD has more like an 800m or 900m range, but the Vintorez is still a cool rifle.
It can also be used as an assault rifle cause you can fire it full-auto if you want to.The best part is that you can hear the sound....but you can't pin point it.
The art of weaponry at its greatest, I believe.
Yeah, thats why such a heavy round is used. Despite its velocity it maintains speed over distance and punches through armor.
Awesome rifle. I like how the first casing hits the camera :D
@uliqed my bad your right. it is a vss. i think someone called it a vssk and thats what i was correcting or something idk. but yes this is a vss and the vks is an entirely different rifle that is commonly wrongly called the vssk. similar but not the same. thank you for correcting me uliqed
It does fire subsonic rounds, for the simple reason there are no supersonic 9x39 ammo. Believe it or not, but this is how a silent gun sounds in real life.
It was filmed in Russia. Being a member of law enforcement or military units or having connections is the only way to shoot these. As for the ammo, you won't find it in an ammunition catalogue. It is said to be more expensive than common rifle ammo due to more precise manufacturing.
Doesn't the VSS Vintorez have a full-auto feature like the AS VAL?
yes
To add to what darkphoenix was saying: This rifle was more or less designed to be used in firefights. The idea was more or less to give a marksman a rifle with no muzzle flash that was also quiet enough to not be picked up over small arms fire.
There's no way you could get that by ear from this video. The muzzle blast always masks the crack of the bullet itself when you're next to the weapon being fired. You have to be downrange to tell if it's breaking the sound barrier, and I assure you it's not unless this guy handloaded a 9x39 round.
This riffle is even in the game S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl and Peter Semov's book "The Web", in witch the main character, Denis Surkov used it for a mision.
Fun fact: A weapon's sound suppression ability only works away from the person firing the gun. For example, the ww2 era welrod pistol was only considered "quiet" at ranges beyond 50 feet. Even the quieter del isle carbine was only "quiet" at ranges beyond 30 feet. So the VSS is going to be audible if you stand right next to it.
That being said, the VSS is actually more of a police rifle that's meant to not disturb the civvies. Perfect for blasting apart deadly icicles and rabid dogs n_n
This weapon's caliber is 9x39mm. The round is subsonic, so there is no sonic boom, as well as the obvious integral suppressor, making this one of the quietest guns around.
Troops are impressed by stopping power and penetration of the round. It is a short rifle and is only accurate to about 450meters. It is obviously made 4 spec ops and is currently being used to oppress the freedom seeking people of Georgia. Have a nice day.
Dude, have no even idea where you get it and where you get special subsonic 9×39 ammo which producing at one single plant Klimovsk Specialized Ammunition Plant and not selling for civilians.
It's reupload. Guy shooting it is either Russian military, or weapon jurnalist. Best you can buy are AK rifles moddified to look like VSS, There's initiative to make exact copy through reverse engineering, using pictures taken by Small Arms Defense Journal, but I have no ides when or if those will be avaliable for sale.
@GL073CH The weapon is suppressed meaning that it traps the gases coming off of the bullet that produce some of the sound but the bullets exiting the barrel at supersonic speed will produce a supersonic crack regardless of how heavily suppressed it is. If he gets or makes his own subsonic bullets the gun would be very very quiet.
@Omsbon Thanks for the reply. Anyways, I talked to a retired russian army officer who lives near me. He told me the weapon is audible for a long range, but it doesn't sound like a gunshot. Also, he told me firing the weapon inside without hearing protection is a little uncomfortable, so it is about at a 22lr sound wise.
No. The VSS is a long-stoke, striker-fired gun. The SVD uses a short-stroke action and is hammer-fired.
The 9 X 39mm is pretty much a bigger, fatter, and slower version of the AK-47 7.62 x 39mm.
The bullet travels at subsonic speeds to prevent sonic boom noise, but strong enough to pierce through body armor and steel helmets beyond 400 meters. The fatter bullets tumble like crazy once it hits flesh, bound to kill someone or mess them up real good with one of these bullets.
@deject Not to mention that it's select fire, short-barreled, and doesn't meet the 922r "sporting clause". Now, if you do want a rifle that looks and functions similarly to the VSS, it wouldn't be wholly unreasonable to get a Saiga 7.62 and have it rebarreled for the .358 Gremlin, get a stamp on it and use a short barrel with a Krink or Draco pistol gas system, and find furniture to suit your tastes.
It is considered a rifle because it fires rifle ammo. The effective range is about 200 m.
9x39 to be exact.
Also is non-expanding I believe.
Even the Dragunov wasn't meant to be a long range sniper, mostly for squad support I believe.
Reading the description is not an option, right?
That silencer is built-in, correct? I thought silencers usually degrade over time and start to detract from the bullet's proper trajectory, does this ever happen to the VSS?
Do they have brass deflectors on these or VSKs? That cartridge flying up that high is going to give away your position in a snap.
Hey I also found the information we discussed a while ago(my alias is thecombatmaster) about how much armor it can penetrate:
The SP-6 was developed by Yuri Folov. It can penetrate 2 mm (0.08 in) of steel at 500 meters or 6 mm (0.24 in)of steel, 2.8 mm (0.1 in) of titanium or 30 layers of Kevlar at 200 meters. At 100 meters it penetrates 8 mm (0.3 in) of steel.
In other words only soft vests and flak jackets.
just a joke. VINTOREZ nickname Dr Vincent Torres the doctor who solve your headache....
VSS is really nice weapon: light, supressed, high-caliber heavy bullets, comparatively accurate up to 300m. Best weapon for urban combat
@lin545 it actualy called a VKS but many people incorrectly call it the VSSK
@InVinteR123
If you mean that he's using supersonic ammo there, you're wrong, 9x39 munitions are only subsonic (290-300 m/s).
Yes it make a quite loud sound, but at 50m you don't hear anything.
Yes, the rifle is not for snipers. Rather as squad support, to give them a means of hitting targets at range more effectively.
A sniper would prefer a rifle with a longer barrel and more powerful optics.
Its also in 'Americas Army' and both 'S.T.A.L.K.E.R' games. Its my favourite gun in all of those
@m0nkey1eader - thanks. i knew that, of course, they;re never silent, just supressed, but i wondered why they didn't supress them more (like the L96), but the distance factor i hadn't taken into account and answers my question totally lol, so thankyou. did a soviet sniper equipped with this weapon carry another (other than a pistol) for closer-quaters battle, or was the vintorez fine for that 'cause of the semi auto capability?
Is it supposed to make so much noise? I thought it had a built in suppressor?
does the silencer really work?I heard it confuses the enemy so he can't pinpoint your location
Cheers for uploading the vid, cool to see the VSS in action. I have to agree that it does sound a bit loud for a suppressed firearm though. I have fired suppressed 9mm, 5.56mm NATO and my family owns a fully suppressed ruger 10/22, all of which "sound" quieter. I don't know if its just the video however. The 10/22 is very quiet with subsonic ammo, so much so that you only faintly hear the firing cycle when firing it, but then it has a custom trigger, receiver and action which might be why.
@Rafahil
suppressors cut down on the distant echo it creates, if youre right next to it youre still going to hear a relatively loud noise. it just doesnt carry.
@PATRONSKiii i know im talking about the principle. The AS-VAL is an automatic rifle but the VSS is considered a sniper rifle, but there is no difference in the operation. It's pretty much the same as an M16 compared to a M16 SPR MOD 0... there is no difference in the operation, but both are externally modified to be sniper systems...
@Omsbon Wasn't it based on the AS-Val? Or was the AS-Val based on the VSS? Or did they come out at the same time? I'm so confused :|
Was the dummy ballistic gelatin, or something hard? I'd hope it wouldn't go all the way through with gelatin, because then it's not doing anything.
Just because the gun is integrally suppressed does not mean it is subsonic. For the VSS to have lower decibels and not "clap" after the shot a special subsonic version of the 9x39 round must be used.
+WackBombtrack the 9x39 is subsonic. That is the whole point of the round. It was designed from the beginning as a heavy sub sonic round capable of piercing armor.
Chino
Yeah, 9x39 is too heavy to be supersonic given the amount of powder in the case.
Its commonly known that 3x39 ammo is subsonic. Its intentional, its to remove the supersonic crack.
supressors dont really make the gun silent.
they are still quite loud.
only some can get around as quiet as a nailgun.
Even though it is fully suppressed it has a paradox to it. It has an effective range of 300-400 meters but even thoug suppressed it is hearable and unless fired in a loud enviroment it is hearable from 300 meters.
Marcinex
I'd doubt it.
The rifle shots sound more like twigs and stick being broken.
If someone shot at you with this, I'd doubt you'd even know where the shots were coming from.
The barrel is quite short on that rifle how come it's still considered a sniper rifle? and does it have the effective of a regular sniper rifle with a effective range up to 800 meters.
For the third (at least) time: THERE ARE NO SUPERSONIC 9x39's.
Besides, even silenced firearms are still loud (yes, that's real life), so having ear protection isn't as stupid as it may seem.
Yeah, it's obvious it isn't made for long range, because you can fire it pretty fast and it's very compact.
Always wondered how you can get one of these in the usa...Was this video shot in the usa?
@Omsbon Thanks for the tip Omsbon. I sent him a message. He has some great 9X39 rifle videos.
You know silenced weapons are not silent. Their sound signature is lower but the SPL decibels goes about 120 at best. That's quite a lot, but still about 1 000 times quieter then without silencer.
haha i love how the first casing hits the camera!
There is no the best, silent sniper rifle in the world on distances to 400 meters.
@FireBadger66 its really just a modified AS VAL which is an assault rifle. It's kind of like putting a scope and suppressor on an M-16.
@TheVelyr To echo from the wall the original sound has to be strong enough TO echo, unless the ammunition isn't subsonic, in which case it could be the sonic crack we are hearing echoing off the wall.
Hey Omsbon, when you fired the vintorez with ear protection how loud was it? Is it as loud as a 22lr? or 22 short? Or is it quieter?
The most brilliant weapon ever.
@Lonewolf6565
Guess what dude? I wasn't debating on efficiency, rather on the existence of the suppressor. Whatever man, good day to you.
@ZomBLord Both came out in the late 80's with the AS being the later design, so you can say it is based on the VSS.
@NKA23 There are also "urban sniper rifles" which have shorter effective ranges.
Sweet - the silent (subsonic) 9x39mm ammo even pierces body armor. The weight of the gun is only 2,8 kg and I think it looks real good too.
he wasn't saying there isn't a 9x39mm ammo. He was saying it wasn't supersonic and there isn't one that is.
@ELITEWAFFLES9 No, AS-val dvelopped from the VSS, both are strictly the same, exept buttstock. There is a 3rd rifle based on the same parts, called SR-3 vikhr, and modernisation SR-3M. AS-val, VSS-vintorez and SR-3/M vikhr all uses either 10-20 or 30 rounds magazines, the last coming with SR-3M. A scoped+silenced M16 is not comparable, all about VSS is ammunition, which permise to make very small, silence and powerful weapon.
lol i like how the 1st shot's shell hits the camera lens :P
As val "silent killer"...combat, noiseless, powerful weapon
AS Val and VSS Vintorez it's different weapons
negatiff54
The "Val" has a 70% piece commonality with its sister-gun, the VSS Vintorez. Differences are furniture made of high impact polymer and a skeletonized steel stock which folds to the left for storage and transportation (gun can operate with stock folded).
They're not the same, but they're pretty damn similar.
negatiff54
actually it's the same gun only the difference on the stock.. and VSS is intended to be a mid-range sniper rifle while AS VAL is intended to be an assault rifle.. but they both use same round 9x39 subsonic round
How the hell did you get a VSS? i thought they were only available to the spetznatz
@PATRONSKiii I know that the rounds are subsonic but I wanted him to know that it is not the rifle (usually) that determines if a round is subsonic or not.
I maybe slow but whats the white thing on your ear...what is it and what is it used for?
Well, is there a clip of that here?
how is a 300 m/s round going to hit anything moving far away?
Such a lovely gun.
@kop4321 There are no supersonic 9x39 loads. The reason for the rifle not being hollywood-quiet is called real life.
What is ' carbine ' means? what does it add to the weapon?
lol nailed the cameraman in the lense
@comblocarms Sorry, never fired it. Can't tell how loud it actually is.
I didn't know they were importing those. Wonder how much there going for.
Well, without it, probably must be extremely loud then. Still looks pretty cool for a sniper rifle.
What's a "pistole caliber"?
I know right? That's the only game where I discovered this gun's existance
@KatonBoy
i never said that suppressors didnt exist. i just said that its pointless on the m107.
your right. the target can be a mile away. so whats the point of attempting to suppress a .50 cal rifle that already weights as much as a geo metro...
Yep, but they also have an assualt rifle version. Its basically the samething with a folding stock and its all black, and no scope.
@Omsbon
Yeah, you have the M16A1, A2, A3, A4, M4A1 Carbine, SR47, C7 (for the Canadians), you get the idea.
Yes, it is a select fire (semi/full) rifle.
@CrazyNoob221 That's the integral silencer, similar to the H&K MP5SD.
Dunno why it sounds so loud in this video.
What about countless gun magazines and books? Or people who actually fired the VSS?
Yeah
but the vintorez normally uses subsonic ammo yeah?
since its got an intergrated silencer...
Personally, i love it. Integral suppressors are amazing and i do really love how the went from 7.62 to 9mm to compensate for having subs. Now to figure out y it so underpowered in bf3...
@CrocoDuck420 I DIDNT NOTICE THAT THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW.
You must have great aim!Even with the bullet casing.The first shot hit the camera lens.
It would be like an automatic SKS firing at 900 rpm. The 9 X 39mm are pretty much fatter bullets stuffed into 7.62mm AK cases. Can you imagine an SKS that fires 900 rpm with fairly manageable recoil? You'd heard everyone screaming how overpowered it is.
I love how he wears ear protection with a sniper rifle that has an integrated suppressor.
He probably set down an AK-47 or Mosin Nagant, and then picked up the Vintorez just before the camera started rolling. Maybe.....
Its still loud enough to do hearing damage. An opponent down rage might hear the report but they will probably mistake it for another sound. Then again if they live to hear the shit, you shouldnt be a marksman in the first place. As always, use thunder to mask the shot if applicable.
with supressors guns are still loud... smh
also, chances are he's not the only person at the shooting range