Reading The Comments From The Dual Wield Video
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
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I play since the beggining of December, so I still consider myself a new player even with 220h. Throughout those hours, I've never deemed dualies as op or even anything near it. One of my favorite loadouts i run pretty often is: dual conversions as a primary weapon and single conversion (all regular, i dislike chains) as a secondary, named it "Billy The Kid". And everything that this loadout does, can be done better by literally any other weapon: swift with levering, now spitfire, even Mosin Bayonet can be more accurate than those two shits because its hard to miss with a spear that is also a gun. The problem lies not within dualies, or more precise conversions, it's this damned FMJ ammo, the current craze in the bayou. I think that for something to even be considered OP, it HAS TO BE reliable. Even if you are RachtaZ, even if you completed all trails (mad respect for that) or have background in other shooters, those 12 shots from 80m are a GAMBLE. A gamble that is non existent if you take anything else (other than shotguns, but I've seen long flachette headshots too, so there is no escape from RNG when it's out to get ya). I personally will still play this loadout, even after further nerfs. I just really like roleplay builds, and someone chimping out in the proximity chat that dualies are for pussies, after i blast him with 12 shoots, landing only one, only to finish him with fanning.
I've gotten a lot of recent inspiration from your vids. Never made content on Hunt, but I might in the future cause you make it look so fun. Good stuff my dude
It means a lot to know that my vids are giving you inspiration! I'd definitely recommend trying out making videos too. Its a really fun hobby and let's you be creative and just have a blast!
Can I also say that I really appreciate response wasn’t just you defending your opinion, it was you demonstrating which complaints felt fair and which felt exaggerated. It’s cool to see you got some insight into the complaints while they also got some insight into the limitations of the build.
I'm glad you appreciate that. I'm not trying to just rag on people who I disagree with and am actively trying to set my bias aside and see different perspectives. Had a lot of fun with this video, will definitely do more of them in the future.
5:52 offtopic, but I love how you call armoreds husks. It's actually really accurate, cuz you know, hollow chitin shell monsters
I'm waiting for the day where I make a video and call the Hive a " Bee Lady " or the Meathead a " Fat Man "
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I think when ppl say dual weilding and shotguns are op cuz they can dictate the terms of battle are forgetting that some ppl sit at 200m away with a sparks sniper just waiting for you to take a step out of the compound so they can headshot you. No matter how long you wait you're eventually gon have to leave and all that person has to do is wait you out. Most of the time you don't even notice they're there until you're dead, and good luck even trying to kill him with your shotgun or dulies they're practically useless at 200m, and all the sniper has to do is change positions after killing one of yall to throw you off. With that said I don't believe anything is really op in the game rn sometimes you just get a bad match up or just have bad luck(also no one owes you a certain play style in this game feel like ppl forget that).
I have to say Hunt has probably the best balancing I have seen in a shooter in a long time.
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my second comment and it's only to you I really appreciate your videos and you really funny sense of humour so keep it up I don't understand why people are so upset with Dual Wield you don't mention it in this video or the last one but did you see how often people suggest stupid ideas to NERF Dual Wield on the hunt discord some of them are just crazy and just wanting Dual Wield to been removed like it doesn't take work to do stuff like that and I honestly I'm starting to not care what is balanced and what is not because of how they are acting for example official Hunt discussion on steam like some of them shouldn't be allowed to play the game by the way they're acting but enough about that thank you for another good video and sorry for my rent
I'm glad you appreciate my videos, it means a lot! I'm happy knowing people get a kick out of my videos and it means the world. As for Dual Wield, I think it comes down to the random nature of them and also the spammability of them. Which, at the end of the day, I didn't really mind. But even now I don't really mind the changes that have been introduced for dual wield so overall not much has changed.
@@QbertDude for a long time I didn't even know people didn't like Dual Wield personally I just like to shoot 2 guns at the same time so I am kind of sad at people don't like Dual Wield when it is so fun to use so I'm happy you making videos on it and also making it fun to watch at the same time 😄💘
@@ms.blackfire2927 I love having two revolvers and feeling like a cowboy mostly the first pistol you unlock because I have an unreasonable love for it
Dualies hold a special place in my heart for those times I just wanna turn my brain off and run at people guns blasting while making monke noises
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The only problem with Duals which alot of players arent really acknowledging isnt the RNG/Range use of them its more of the Capacity + RPM + FMJ mix and im mainly talking about Conversions Lol. I think a great way to circumvent the issue would be to change Dualies ADS to actually pull one pistol forward with a little more sway > shoot then you pull the gun that fired back then pull the other forward to shoot. Which would allow skillful shooting but lower the RPM to a little bit above the its single use variants. It would also help the not so great pistols in the game who have a hard time being dualies ex. Uppers/Silenced nagants then treat the hipfire like you would normally do for any of the guns. Definitely enjoy your vids and how you bring about discussion on these topics
This could be a pretty decent Dual Wield rework ngl
I had a match pre-nerf where I got 5 kills running “dual dual” conversions. Yesterday I had a match where I got 5 kills using a crossbow…. Good games with gun setups don’t mean guns are broken. I actually really like the crouch nerf for both dualies and fanning as it feels like both options are more balanced than before. People saying dualies still get 50-80m headshots aren’t playing the lobbies I am. Are they still strong? From medium to close range, yes. But so is the officer, the spitfire, some shotguns and the bows and crossbows. Are they op? I don’t think so, rather they are a fun alternative to run that can assist those who struggle with aiming hit shots
I actually quite agree with that last point. I dont understand people gatekeeping a game and hating playstyles because it "doesn't need skill to use." Just because they spent 500 hours running mosin uppercut doesn't mean everyone needs to enjoy the game the same way. Having "lower skill" options that are still viable is imo very important for the long term health of the game since new players or those who want to play more casually have these options and don't havve to feel pressured to play the meta. blahblah flattening the learning curve a bit blahblah more newcomer friendly higher player numbers...you get my point
@@d_boi9345 100% agree
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I remember my worst experience with dual conversions was me jumping down from a roof and getting headshotted right before I passed the horizon.
One of the comments you covered that bothered me the most was the one making the case that setting the terms of battle makes dualies (and technically shotguns) op. Like okay, but you could then literally apply that argument to just about any weapon type in the game imo.
It's a pretty weak argument because it assumes you're playing against players who aren't going to realize what you're trying to do when they're getting closer. It becomes an infinite cycle of repositioning that seemingly has no end.
5:12 hold on did you just.....use an alert tripmine to disguise the fact that you're cooking a grenade?
Holy fuck that's genious
It worked so well before they introduced the burn damage. The amount of frag kills I've gotten using this is insane lmao.
@@QbertDude could still do it with a thrown weapon or something but the delay from throwing/swapping might make it less/not effective :L
The simple fact about dualies is that every argument essentially boils down to "Yes; but a different gun would do it better". Like, half the guns in the game have better hipfire than the dualies.
This right here, I’ve killed duelie users while running the stocked negant in close range because my shots weren’t rng
Vetterli has ridiculously good hipfire. Winnies have better accuracy and fire rate with levering than dualies. They really weren't that bad.
Not the basic conversion pistol. Those dualies are snipers
Its not just a crutch, the high ROF and solid performance on either a push or suppression makes it a phenomenal backup to something like a marksman scoped weapon. There are some cheap as shit loadouts you can run like marksman henri and dual conversions that have seen me outplay duos or trios for minimal financial risk.
This is not to say dualies are my primary weapon in the fight. They are a backup.
Never thought I would see qbert using buckshot rival
They complain about dualies as if the nagant m1895 isn’t the best gun in the game
Nagant M1895 = S+ Tier
I unironically love this thing and all it’s versions
TBH I don't touch dual pistols with a 10 foot pole unless I'm joking around or playing super agro but with the amount of people using shotguns I would rather just run shotgun (with or without slugs) or cross bow which I feel is just better ( i hate the RNG )
also on the runing strat i cant blame i dont like it but cant blame it is the smart thing to do if you are at a disadvantge. also there was so many times i just ran and extfild because they never get close but BUT!! if you shoot at me dont get a head shot and just dip pls fuck off.
I 100% understand why the whole cycle of constant repositioning exists in the game and don't blame people for doing it. I just find it to be boring personally. Hence why I am no brain Shotgun main 99% of the time lol.
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I will say I agree with your opinion but I will also say what the f*** is wrong with this person - 4:45 - Dual Wield is not that Powerful the only reason I see them in the game is for style points or to get more reserve ammo or a third option you just like Dual Wield Pistols like myself because I like to Dual Wield in Red Dead Redemption and that is the reason I like to do it in Hunt Showdown so when people is saying it should be NERF or removed I think that person have never played the game and don't know what they're talking about they are just salty because they got killed once to a lucky headshot and is sad and angry because of it like small babies
It was a weird and dragged out rant, but yeah I'm not too sure either. The only way to really better your odds was to crouch and pace your shots. That way you'd be controlling your recoil and giving yourself the best odds for a headshot. But since update 1.7.2, this method no longer works. So I personally think they're in a good spot right now.
@@QbertDude me too I think it's a good way to please those who wanted Dual Wield to become I don't know less effective but it actually makes sense for you not to become more accurate with Dual Wield just by crouching so i like The change
shotguns and dual wield arent OP.
i havent been headshotted or even 2-tapped by a dual wield user at ranges like 50-80m in a while, it is annoying in cqc fights but manageable if you dont stay in the open and avoid being in the open too long. dual wield works best to suppress enemies tho.
im mostly a rifle/sniper main that always fights in the favor of my own loadout (keep the distance, keep flanking enemies) but i'll play literally anything, from serious loadouts to memes and really dumb stuff.
I'm biased because I mainly run shotguns, but I really struggle to see the argument of Shotguns being OP. They excell in close range but really struggle at anything past that. Slug ammo is interesting though, which is why I chose it for a video topic.
i think people just overstate the distance, i get one shot headshoted a lot with duals but it mostly is somewhere below 40 meters, but i also one tap people on that distance from time to time.
my problem are shotguns, as soon as not 100% of the crosshair are on target i will deal basicly no damage, but i often get one shot by them outside of their best range, one taps from rivals at 21 meters with buckshots even tho i thought thats impossible.
meanwhile i somethimes miss half my spread with the romero on 15 meter distance even tho i am dead on.
basicly both are depending a lot on lucky so if you got no lucky you feel they are OP or to weak if you use them yourself, thats the case with me and shotguns, i am unlucky using them but i am also unlucky fighting them.
@@QbertDude i heard someone say that the bomblance is OP 😂😂.
shotguns arent OP, they lack in range (base ammo and most custom ammo except slugs) but they oneshot in close ranges but thats what they are made for xD
and the bomblance, well, its a goddamn LANCE, why shouldnt it be strong in melee ranges?
some other stuff thats completely wrong of some players and even communities that got on my nerves lately:
Im a sniper main of a really rare type (flank and cover sniper). ill always stay at long ranges, flank after each shot, i dont siege the bounty compound and im not inside the DVB range for that, ill move accordingly to the bounties, picking them off on their route to an exfil.
I've been hated, bullied on discord servers, reported, got too many heavily toxic comments for this and thats just not acceptable.
i've got comments on my steam profile that were so hateful, the commenters (after reporting) were banned from steam.
its a goddamn playstyle, like, shotgunners, and normal riflemen or any other, I'm just one of the rare snipers that pull it off correctly (mostly solo tho)
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gud vid
I really don't get all the hate that dual wielding got. it feels like everything dual wields are good at can be done better by shotguns or a winfield with levering, exept the winny is also useful past 30+ meters
Interesting how you cannot stop mentioning RNG in this video. The wheel has literally broken you to the point of becoming rent free. You can't get RNG out of your head. You will never leave the wheel, as it will never leave you.
It's only the wheel it's only the wheel it's only the wheel it's only the wheel it's only the wheel
Terminus video next?
Talking about slugs in a general sense, so it'll apply to Terminus technically
@@QbertDude sounds good. Thanks for being the best, Q man.
People whining about getting headshot by dualies make me laugh so much. It's like "I got headshot by them a compound away!" And? They got lucky. They probably would have done it sooner if they were using literally any other non-dual wielded weapon.
Edit: "You can set the tone of a fight." Only if you're opponent lets you. Like you said, you push a sniper, they fall back, now you're out of position and they will likely pick you off. No matter what you do or what you bring, all the weapons have limitations to how you can reliably approach combat.
imma watch that vid now too (guys its just opinions!)
But what if, and hear me out, I just like how they look and am still garbage? Just like I enjoy the aesthetic of the fanning idol pose but can't hit the broad side of a barn even at point blank. Am I still a bad person who deserves all the trash talk? Probably, but that's because of the avto in my hands. Completely besides the point. Please buff fashion
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Idk man. Dualies really were easy, cheap kills. Every time i brought them it was just easy for every situation outside the long range. Easy wall bangs. Easy close range. Low risk and consequence for missing shots due to large “mag size”. Fmj for high damage. Dualies shouldnt compete with shotguns for very quick close range kills and also have that range thats even outcompetes slugs which id argue are also over tuned. Theyre in a better spot now but hell man that crouching accuracy was ridiculous on conversions
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Q should run Dualies in gremlin mode next vid. Show them the real meta
Gremlin Mode Dual Wield. Oh God.
@@QbertDude Death comms would be the subject of a few therapy sessions i think
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This has nothing to do with the topic but stop using Faultless! It is ugly and stinks like poopoo. Use the superior Spite instead, it smells like justice and looks like sex.
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I'd be interested to see how a fundamental change would feel. My biggest grievance with dualies is the rng, so maybe when you ads, instead of having slightly better rng on a glorified hip fire, you alternate aiming down the sights of the left and right hand pistol with a 30-50% faster fire rate than a single pistol, and a little more sway. Food for thought.
dualies are a glass half full/half empty scenario, when you get down to it. If I shoot and hit someone, did I get lucky? If I shoot and miss, did I get unlucky? Those cannot both be true at the same time. I feel like people are largely ignoring the part where every weapon is laser accurate when ADS'd and dualies are never as accurate even pre-nerf crouching while "ads'd." Using dualies is objectively putting yourself at a disadvantage in range and accuracy for the advantages of fire rate and ammo capacity, while fire rate can be achieved anyway thru perks and certain weapons. When fighting against dualies with a rifle, carbine, or even single pistol, you always have the advantage in range and accuracy, but I think people are just blinding walking into compounds and dying to dualies from 10 feet away and crying luck. If you think they're so good, go use them, because hunt players sure as shit abuse every other broken mechanic or OP weapon in the game. Dualies didn't need a nerf at all in a world where the crown and king, dolch, and fanning exist.. and if you were going to nerf them the only logical nerf would be to lower fire rate to equal or less than double the fire rate of a single pistol, which in that instance I do think its weird that some dualies get more than 2x as fast as the single copy would be.
also dualies are fun cowboy shit and for that reason alone should be encouraged, not discouraged