When I was at uni in Scotland in the late 80s the student GP there diagnosed everyone he thought was gay with HIV without testing. I was so scared and upset until my Mum took me to the GP‘s in my hometown and I tested negative. The horrid GP was struck off eventually after he told a girl with acute appendicitis she was preggers and she nearly died.
That's horrendous. The bastard should have been locked up not just struck off! I'm so sorry that happened to you. Reminds me of when I was 17 & went to a&e after getting attacked & breaking my arm. My arm was all swollen & you could see it was mis-shapen but they refused to xray me, told me it was a sprain, put me in this crappy little splint thing & sent me home. Went to my GP who thought I was being dramatic & shouted at me that I was wasting his time & made me cry. Wasn't until 4 months later when I moved to a new area I went to see my new GP after the pain becoming so bad I was sobbing my eyes out & she sent me straight to hospital. Turned out I had been walking round with a badly broken arm broken in 2 places for 4 MONTHS & by then it had healed wrong & now I'm left with a virtually unusable left arm because of all of the nerve damage. Conveniently the old hospital "lost" my records & still years later I'm going through a medical negligence case. I am so sorry for what happened to you though- sending huge hugs xxx
The word “saint” is overused, but that’s what Jill is. I am in awe of the fact that she’s based on a real person (and plays Jill’s mum in episodes 4&5).
So sad that at the time nobody really knew how it spread so this kind of suspicion and fear was normal. We know, now, that Jill couldn't have caught HIV/AIDS from touching Gloria but at the time it must have been terrifying.
Despite her fear she still did his shopping and looked after him. Thats a true friend right there I was shocked at Gloria's famiy the way they burned his things and basically erased his existence that was so callous
The way she looked at the cup, scrubbed it furiously, and then finally threw it away hit me hard. As a germaphobe/OCD I honestly have tossed dishes and cups that I feel are 'contaminated'. And I will have a panic attack otherwise or if I know someone touched something who didn't wash their hands, I've also thrown out food. Back on topic, she is SUCH an angel. Best girl in the series for me.
@@bandersnatch9469 Yes it is. OCD/germaphobia is a separate condition, it's not triggered by a pandemic, there is a difference between being rightfully afraid over a global epidemic and having a medical condition that makes you panic over something that might not even exist.
I’ve read lots of comments condemning Gregory’s father. He was a rather intolerant man . However,the final scene where they are burning Gregory’s stuff, shows him totally broken and weeping inconsolably, showing his deep love for his son. Again top drawer writing and brilliant acting.
COVID doesn't come close to comparing to aids. 98% of people who have had it have recovered from it. If you're under 60 without an existing health condition you're hardly likely to die from it. Obviously we need to take action to stop its spread as it impacts are severe on a small part of the population. But it doesn't compare to a pandemic like aids. Not even close. Where, as the show makes quite clear, if you got it was almost a death sentence. Didn't matter if you were young or old, fit or unhealthy, it would kill you. When people moan about covid or lockdown I almost feel embarrassed. Just be thankful you didn't live through a pandemic like aids, or even the plague, which killed nearly everyone who got it.
I am a severely physically disabled gay male. I have had many, many HIV-positive gay men working as caregivers. I am HIV-negative. It cannot be spread through casual contact or sharing plates, utensils, cups, towels, etc.
All I wanted during the fifth episode was to see Jill & her magnificent sweater collection find true love until that scene at the end with her & the man with no family in the hospital. I then realized she had truly found a higher calling & I can be real asshole from time to time
That scene was inspirational. The man, Marcus,was obviously no longer in touch with his family for whatever reason and it was obvious he loved Jill holding his hand, because apart from the Doctors and Nurses she was the only human contact he had. That little scene alone deserves an award. Beautiful.
It's pretty common in the gay community for men to have girl/drag names, it's a joke. Elton John's drag name is Sharon, and Freddie Mercury was called Melina. Rod Stewart obviously isn't gay, but Elton calls him Phyllis. In this series, Colin was named Gladys after the Hi-De-Hi character. Roscoe's drag name was Rosalind, Richie's name was Rachel, and Jill was Bill.
People were very uneducated about AIDS back then and didn't understand how it was spread. They thought you could catch it by simply being near a person with it. Fortunately people are more educated about it now but it doesn't make up for the countless lives lost due to the misconceptions and stigma.
I feel like the show would’ve been better if the characters weren’t so unlikeable. Like When Roscoe throws a bin through that woman’s shop when she was just trying to be nice, or when Ritchie knows he’s infected and keeps having sex that’s like today’s equivalent of not wearing a mask and hosting huge gatherings it just makes it hard to feel sympathy for them.
I kinda like what I see of these characters it’s just Ritchie I don’t like much and not because he is extrovert or flamboyant, that’s cool, I just find him a bit irritating and ‘millennial’ for the time it’s supposed to be set 1980s.
@@desertrose1226 Yeah I totally agree, I understand the feeling of being in a very strict household and having “repressed” urges only to be given total freedom at a still very immature age but I think that if the show had been a bit longer then perhaps we would’ve had more character development. One of its weakest points was that for a show with only 5 episodes it involved way too many characters, some of the supposed main cast really felt like side characters tbh and even the main characters didn’t really develop enough but that’s just my opinion I suppose.
@dr103 I’m not sure if you misinterpreted the scene but she literally says that Ritchie has a place in heaven waiting for him. A lot of information regarding HIV was manipulated, especially by religious extremists such as Roscoe’s parents but they usually stated that the disease was made by God to wipe out Homosexuals. She was trying to show sympathy because despite the lack of study pretty much everybody knew back then that HIV was a death sentence, a more reasonable response would’ve been to say that he won’t die or he will get better, smashing an elderly woman’s window for an attempted act of kindness makes him look like a psychopath and made it really hard for me to even feel sorry for him.
@@samapple490 she said ritchie has a place in heaven waiting for him because (paraphrasing) she believed AIDS was god's way of ensuring these boys got to heaven - i.e. that AIDS is a good thing. So his reaction was extreme but perfectly understandable. I doubt he would have reacted so strongly if not for the fact that he was watching his friend being taken into an ambulance just a moment before. If I had a friend or relative dying of cancer for instance and a moment after seeing them being taken to hospital I had somebody come up to me and say "Don't worry! Its fine that they're suffering because its part of gods plan!" I too would be livid.
@@desertrose1226 I thought so too. I liked all of the characters but I was conscious all the way through that the language was off...they spoke mostly as if they were living today instead of in the 1980s. You would expect young people in the eighties to be using eighties slang. Perhaps Davies was trying to make it more accessible for a younger audience.
Russell T Davies really isn't messing about. Every single episode is a gutpunch and left me in tears.
He killed Dr Who though, that's a sin, used to like that show.
The scene where Gloria’s family burned his belongings and any trace of his existence after he died just broke my heart 🥺💔
That broke my heart and yet it also infuriated me!!! I felt so bad for Gloria😞😞😞
As Roscoe said earlier, “bunch of bastards”!
😑 the end of the episode shocked me too
When I was at uni in Scotland in the late 80s the student GP there diagnosed everyone he thought was gay with HIV without testing. I was so scared and upset until my Mum took me to the GP‘s in my hometown and I tested negative. The horrid GP was struck off eventually after he told a girl with acute appendicitis she was preggers and she nearly died.
Oh my god, that’s fucking terrifying! I’m sorry you had to go through that.
Are you serious?! He deserved jail time, that's terrible 😕
Jesus Christ that’s awful!
That's horrendous. The bastard should have been locked up not just struck off! I'm so sorry that happened to you. Reminds me of when I was 17 & went to a&e after getting attacked & breaking my arm. My arm was all swollen & you could see it was mis-shapen but they refused to xray me, told me it was a sprain, put me in this crappy little splint thing & sent me home. Went to my GP who thought I was being dramatic & shouted at me that I was wasting his time & made me cry. Wasn't until 4 months later when I moved to a new area I went to see my new GP after the pain becoming so bad I was sobbing my eyes out & she sent me straight to hospital. Turned out I had been walking round with a badly broken arm broken in 2 places for 4 MONTHS & by then it had healed wrong & now I'm left with a virtually unusable left arm because of all of the nerve damage. Conveniently the old hospital "lost" my records & still years later I'm going through a medical negligence case. I am so sorry for what happened to you though- sending huge hugs xxx
The word “saint” is overused, but that’s what Jill is. I am in awe of the fact that she’s based on a real person (and plays Jill’s mum in episodes 4&5).
Jill was wonderful, so kind and so strong!
Jill is based on a real person.
@@zoedark7101 the real Jill played Jill's mother
Jill 😇
She’s the best
lydia west captured her perfectly - she's so talented
Omg when he starts crying and holds his mouth I cry everytime!!!!
I loved Gloria but I hated his family and their attitude. My heart broke for him at the end.
The scene with the bonfire was horrendous.
@@eurovision50 Horrendous and accurate - you have no idea. I could share a slew of horror stories.
Some families are like that which is just horrendous
@@lookingforamuse :( Feel free to share if you like. I want to learn more about what the community went through before I came along.
@@eurovision50 I bawled my effing eyes out.
So sad that at the time nobody really knew how it spread so this kind of suspicion and fear was normal. We know, now, that Jill couldn't have caught HIV/AIDS from touching Gloria but at the time it must have been terrifying.
Despite her fear she still did his shopping and looked after him. Thats a true friend right there I was shocked at Gloria's famiy the way they burned his things and basically erased his existence that was so callous
This is one of the greatest dramas I’ve ever seen. I think every episode I laughed so much and cried even harder.
God this show was fantastic. Everything Russel makes is amazing. It’s so great to finally have good representation in the media of people like me
We all need a Jill in our life.. gay or not! Loved her character. Selfless, loyal, kind a wonderful woman 💗
The way she looked at the cup, scrubbed it furiously, and then finally threw it away hit me hard. As a germaphobe/OCD I honestly have tossed dishes and cups that I feel are 'contaminated'. And I will have a panic attack otherwise or if I know someone touched something who didn't wash their hands, I've also thrown out food. Back on topic, she is SUCH an angel. Best girl in the series for me.
For me that started with Covid😅
I hope you guys are doing better. x
Not so different now, with COVID hitting us
@@walkz007 Well imagine, some people live with this their whole lives and show some sympathy instead of butting in with covid line.
@@bandersnatch9469 Yes it is. OCD/germaphobia is a separate condition, it's not triggered by a pandemic, there is a difference between being rightfully afraid over a global epidemic and having a medical condition that makes you panic over something that might not even exist.
The show’s shining light, imo. An ode to all the Jills everywhere
He thought he was going to get better 😭😭😭😭😭
Superb series and and incredibly accurate portrayal of a specific place in time and its myriad of unknowns.
I’ve read lots of comments condemning Gregory’s father.
He was a rather intolerant man . However,the final scene where they are burning Gregory’s stuff, shows him totally broken and weeping
inconsolably, showing his deep love for his son.
Again top drawer writing and
brilliant acting.
Lydia is an amazing actress, best role in this
I only knew about AIDS through Ryan White as a kid. After going through the COVID pandemic, this strikes a chord with EVERYONE.
COVID doesn't come close to comparing to aids. 98% of people who have had it have recovered from it. If you're under 60 without an existing health condition you're hardly likely to die from it. Obviously we need to take action to stop its spread as it impacts are severe on a small part of the population. But it doesn't compare to a pandemic like aids. Not even close. Where, as the show makes quite clear, if you got it was almost a death sentence. Didn't matter if you were young or old, fit or unhealthy, it would kill you. When people moan about covid or lockdown I almost feel embarrassed. Just be thankful you didn't live through a pandemic like aids, or even the plague, which killed nearly everyone who got it.
I cried every episodes. Then think of covid, I cried even more.
Gloria 💔
Jill was the best friend ever🥰
I am a severely physically disabled gay male. I have had many, many HIV-positive gay men working as caregivers. I am HIV-negative. It cannot be spread through casual contact or sharing plates, utensils, cups, towels, etc.
This was very sad .. I cried x
That pink mug. I thought she put it in the bin first before fishing it out and smashing it
All I wanted during the fifth episode was to see Jill & her magnificent sweater collection find true love until that scene at the end with her & the man with no family in the hospital. I then realized she had truly found a higher calling & I can be real asshole from time to time
That scene was inspirational.
The man, Marcus,was obviously no longer in touch with his family for whatever reason and it was obvious he loved Jill holding his hand, because apart from the Doctors and Nurses she was the only human contact he had.
That little scene alone deserves an award. Beautiful.
OK ...YOU WON.....
So real and so sad.
Doctor!
gloria? what a strange name for a lass, jill was a real diamond i love her
was his nickname
It's pretty common in the gay community for men to have girl/drag names, it's a joke. Elton John's drag name is Sharon, and Freddie Mercury was called Melina. Rod Stewart obviously isn't gay, but Elton calls him Phyllis. In this series, Colin was named Gladys after the Hi-De-Hi character. Roscoe's drag name was Rosalind, Richie's name was Rachel, and Jill was Bill.
kool
*”Just keep your distance.”* It’s AIDS not COVID! 🤦🏻♂️
No one knew how it was spread then
People were very uneducated about AIDS back then and didn't understand how it was spread. They thought you could catch it by simply being near a person with it. Fortunately people are more educated about it now but it doesn't make up for the countless lives lost due to the misconceptions and stigma.
@@mrdr0161 I was making a joke cos the words “keep your distance” is very relevant to these days. 😂
@@stephenmurphy2212 Oh, okay.
I feel like the show would’ve been better if the characters weren’t so unlikeable. Like When Roscoe throws a bin through that woman’s shop when she was just trying to be nice, or when Ritchie knows he’s infected and keeps having sex that’s like today’s equivalent of not wearing a mask and hosting huge gatherings it just makes it hard to feel sympathy for them.
I kinda like what I see of these characters it’s just Ritchie I don’t like much and not because he is extrovert or flamboyant, that’s cool, I just find him a bit irritating and ‘millennial’ for the time it’s supposed to be set 1980s.
@@desertrose1226 Yeah I totally agree, I understand the feeling of being in a very strict household and having “repressed” urges only to be given total freedom at a still very immature age but I think that if the show had been a bit longer then perhaps we would’ve had more character development. One of its weakest points was that for a show with only 5 episodes it involved way too many characters, some of the supposed main cast really felt like side characters tbh and even the main characters didn’t really develop enough but that’s just my opinion I suppose.
@dr103 I’m not sure if you misinterpreted the scene but she literally says that Ritchie has a place in heaven waiting for him. A lot of information regarding HIV was manipulated, especially by religious extremists such as Roscoe’s parents but they usually stated that the disease was made by God to wipe out Homosexuals. She was trying to show sympathy because despite the lack of study pretty much everybody knew back then that HIV was a death sentence, a more reasonable response would’ve been to say that he won’t die or he will get better, smashing an elderly woman’s window for an attempted act of kindness makes him look like a psychopath and made it really hard for me to even feel sorry for him.
@@samapple490 she said ritchie has a place in heaven waiting for him because (paraphrasing) she believed AIDS was god's way of ensuring these boys got to heaven - i.e. that AIDS is a good thing. So his reaction was extreme but perfectly understandable. I doubt he would have reacted so strongly if not for the fact that he was watching his friend being taken into an ambulance just a moment before. If I had a friend or relative dying of cancer for instance and a moment after seeing them being taken to hospital I had somebody come up to me and say "Don't worry! Its fine that they're suffering because its part of gods plan!" I too would be livid.
@@desertrose1226 I thought so too. I liked all of the characters but I was conscious all the way through that the language was off...they spoke mostly as if they were living today instead of in the 1980s. You would expect young people in the eighties to be using eighties slang. Perhaps Davies was trying to make it more accessible for a younger audience.
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