The Sith of Khan's Brotherhood believed their strength in numbers would avail the Dark Side...what they did not realize is that the fewer Sith there are, the more power is concentrated among those beings. After Bane created the Rule of Two, the entire energy of the Dark Side was split between two beings....one to hold the power, and the other to crave it.
Morgoth also wanted to rule everything: "And of these Melkor was the chief, even as he was in the beginning the greatest of the Ainur who took part in the Music. And he feigned, even to himself at first, that he desired to go thither and order all things for the good of the Children of Ilúvatar, controlling the turmoils of the heat and the cold that had come to pass through him. But he desired rather to subdue to his will both Elves and Men, envying the gifts with which Ilúvatar promised to endow them; and he wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be a master over other wills."
@@Dahaka-rd6tw no my brother, jealousy is when you fear someone might take somebody or something you love from you, envy is the feeling someone has something that you don't have without deserving it. Envy consists of three feelings: a sense of inferiority, the shame of being inferior and the craving for the thing you wish you had.
Morgoth was the original dark Lord while sauron was his lieutenant. Morgoth was a valar or angelic beings that were created from eru's mind. It had been said that melkor or morgoth was the mightiest valar but he wanted the flame imperishable for himself which can create life but it was with eru iluvatar. Due to this he tried creating havoc in the mighty music of ainur. Then he along with other valar and maiar came down to arda (the earth). There were many wars fought between him and other valars but at last he was chained. The first children of iluvatar also came who were elves and they crafted the silmarils but it was stolen by morgoth. The first age is all about the wars between morgoth and elves. At last with the aid of valar morgoth was defeated but sauron his lieutenant escaped and hid in arda. Then in second age sauron took a fair form and shared his knowledge of ring forging to the grandchildren of feanor (the elf who created the silmarils) . In this way 16 rings were created by sauron and elves. Three rings were created by elves alone and one master ring was created by sauron in which he put his own will and malice. The second age ends with the fall of sauron with his defeat in the war of last alliance of men and elves and in third age he returned but he fell completely since his ring was destroyed.
@@jmgonzales7701 Yes. He is beyond Sauron as Sauron was beyond Galadriel. Sauron was the most powerful Maia (lesser spirit) while Morgoth/Melkor was the most powerful Vala(greater spirit)
@@AdhvaithSane An evil which follows certain principles and is interested in "rulling" over something rather than "destroying" it mindlessly. Morgoth for example would, rather completely destroy everything to spread chaos. It's a sort of lust for power to satisfy his rage. Sauron would subjugate and dominate everything to recreate it according to his own vision.
Read the works before creating a video. "Melkor", later named 'Morgoth' by Féanor himself, did NOT want to destroy creation. He wanted dominion over all the world and the worship of the First and Second Children. His primary motive was to find the Flame Imperishable. The power of true creation. He never found it. So, instead, he warped what life there was to fashion the 'evil' races of Middle Earth and Beleriand. Sauron poured most of his power into the One Ring. Morgoth did something similar in that he expended a great deal of his might in his first attempt to create life. The Great Wyrms and later the Winged Wyrms (Dragons). Anyway, what I'm getting at is that Morgoth wasn't chaotic. Sauron took his manner and methods directly from his master. People forget that both Gandalf and Sauron were Maiar. Not only that, but both were Maiar of Fire. As were the Maiar who became the Balrogs. Morgoth commanded multiple Maiar.
Thank you for this- this short vastly misunderstands the natures of Morgoth and Sauron. While distinct personalities, they both shared the same general ambition and worldview, and had the same general goal. Philosophically, Morgoth did not accept the living beings created fit into the perfection of creation. Their messiness and propensity towards imperfection and chaos made him believe they were corrupting creation, so he corrupted these beings into creations of his own as mockeries to what was created as a sort of protest and revolt. The distinction mainly lies in the differences in approaches and methods Morgoth and Sauron took to changing Middle Earth. Melkor's objection and revolt against creation was an almost purely metaphysical and philosophical one. And literally, in the sense that he was singing discord into the song of creation as a philosophical and narrative counterpoint. It was this metaphysical counter melody that directly influenced physical creation and corrupted aspects of it. Sauron, being a lower being, did everything he did in the world physically, and the methods of his revolt were nearly purely political and material. He physically acted as a recruiter and battlefield commander, as a necromancer, and even poured his metaphysical evil into a physical object, concreting it into physical form on Middle Earth. I'm sure there's a lot I've missed and probably some inaccuracies with what I've said, but the distinctions between Morgoth and Sauron seem to be more methodological, and due to the difference in their natures- one being an Ainur and trying to change the fundamental nature of reality through metaphysical dissonance that materializes in physical reality, and the other a Mai'ar who seeks to change creation by physically dominating it and dictating it from the physical world itself. But as you can see, philosophically, they ultimately had the same ideas and goals, and Sauron was independently carrying out the goals of his master, even after his defeat.
@Aung Ramen Aule the Valar is interesting compared to his Maiar disciples (Sauron and Saruman) because knowing only Eru Illuvitar can create life, Aule "crafted" the dwarven race out of stone, they were essentially inanimate objects. When Eru discovered this he asked Aule why he defied Eru in trying to create life as he pointed out during the Ailundale (the song of creation) that only he is permitted to create life; Aule's response impressed Eru so much, Eru sanctioned the Dwarven Race for Aule and permitted it. point is; compared to his disciples and Melkor, Eru made the distinction that Aule created life out of admiration instead of ambition like his peers
" *just* wanted to rule middle earth" is a heck of way to belittle and dumb down Sauron 💀 Idk why people have such a hard time appreciating that they were two DIFFERENT breeds of evil, you can acknowledge the fact Morgoth was more powerful and destructive AND appreciate Sauron's ability to manipulate and corrupt, he didn't want to "just" rule middle earth (which he got so close to doing despite being far less powerful) he wanted to all but enslave all beings hearts and minds to his will. Chaos vs Order, they're both magnificent villains and stained middle earth forever, at least until it's made anew
Sauron didn't just want to rule middle earth. He wanted to control every aspect of life in middle earth and make it as efficient and productive as possible or destroy it if it doesn't. As said Sauron prefers a volcano over a tree for the volcano he can use while the tree just stands in the way.
@@devan98 what's your take on his grand plan? Morder was Sauron's base of operations and it was a barren wasteland. He occupied Mirkwood for years and it was strictly a no-go zone for casual travellers. Throughout Tolkien's writing Sauron's idea of paradise was consistently portrayed as unhealthy for everyone else.
@@tompearce5418 he wants to rule over all of middle earth. He was the opposite of everything melkor was. Sauron wanted to fix what Melkor tried to destroy. And control everything. I don’t think he was looking to ruin it all. Mordor was like that because of mt. Doom. Not because Sauron wanted it to be like that. But bc the orcs and Adar wanted it like that.
@@johnozzmond9728 its more inspired by the Welsh and Finnish and Norse epics. Kalevala, Elder Edda, Beowulf, Sigurd and Gudrun, Bagvagita and so on, and definitely the more forgotten Aurthurian legends too. But even more so with the irish lore and culture which many things were seeded such as The Tuatha De Danaan!
@@Makkaru112 Tolkien himself said his work was inspired by Catholicism, unconsciously at first, then consciously in revision. He also drew from some various European mythologies, but that's true of any western fantasy work
Morgoth wasn't a destroyer, he was a corruptor. He hated the Elves because they were created by Illuvatar and because the other Valar shaped Arda for the Elves. Morgoth wanted to create on his own and in searching for the Imperishable Flame deep in the vastness of Ea, away from the song of the Ainur, he essentially went mad, turning his power to corruption. His powers, once he descended into Arda, still co-mingled with the other Valar and served a purpose, but he didn't want to destroy all life. Just the life that Illuvatar had created. Chiefly Elves and Men, but he would corrupt them if he could. He too wanted to rule his own realm and his actions were to make the Elves leave Middle-Earth and return to Valinor.
Unicron is like satan from the transformers world but megatron is from primus or god in their verse so megatron is actually a good guy in their world since he only wants to rebuild his planet
I found it really interesting how in the books Sauron is actually pretty diplomatic. He usually tried negotiations before war. He even tried to purchase horses from Rohan for the wraiths, when they refused he simply stole them.
Morgoth made the first ring in a sense. Which ironically can't be destroyed since Morgoth's ring is the entirety of middle earth. He litterally put a piece of himself into everything on middle earth
They bat eyed cause they send Istari to help Free peoples to defeat Sauron, they didnt wanted another War of Wrath which would destroy another large part of continent, like Beleriand was destroyed thats difference, they were aware of what their powers could do and they change tactics, go reread lore again and then talk
@@Theemptythroneistaken It seems you dont understand a Tolkien, Istari were selected so that they could assist the free peoples to defeat a Sauron, sending the Istari was their answer, their batting the eye
Tolkien Lore (The Tolkien Geek) channel did a really cool one where he proved Sauron is like a replacement Manwë to Morgoth, i won't spoil anything. It's super fascinating and he uses source material only to prove it.
Morgoth, originally Melkor, was multitalented in creating things. He was not the master of a single thing, but he was close in talent to the Vala that were. Were he more disciplined, he would have been the king of Arda Unstained forever. But because of his multitalented nature and his lust to create coupled with his undisciplined habits in his work, he grew prideful and jealous for what was not his. He became a chaotic despot. Sauron, originally Mairon, was similarly multitalented among the Maiar, and he had a great fascination with Order and Creation, being the apprentice of Aulë, the Vala of Craft. This fascination grew into an obsession with Melkor's meddling, and he betrayed Manwë, discontent with the way the King of Arda imposed such a lack of Order upon Arda.
Neutral evil in LOTR are more or less the Easterlings. Not under Sauron's tyranny anymore, but decided to join his forces for their own gains and to stop the infighting in their lands. Amoral, just as ruthless as the orks, made the choice to be evil.
This person's use of "Ainur" is incorrect. Ainur is a categorisation of both Maiar and Valar. Sauron is a Maiar (demi-god) and Morgoth is a Valar (pantheon god) and Illuvitar is THE god that encompasses all, both the Maiar and Valar are his children conceived from his thoughts
@@peaceunion5316 power systems in Tolkien are never so simple as valar equals better in every way. If it helps, think of it this way, a battle oriented MAIAR can easily take Morgoth, such as Tulkas, who entered the world later on via Eru. And through bravery and faith in Eru beings like Olorin in their nerfed wizard form can take on a Balrog of morgoth, also a Maia like Gandalf. Same as how if the ground wasn't ground to dust around Fingolfin, he'd have continued to damage melkor more than seven times and continued to dodge his blows. And those wounds melkor bore could never heal and he'd be forever in agony and forever had a limp, forever to be embarrassed infront of his generals and thralls alike!
The war vs Morgoth, the Dagor Dagorath, was so brutal it reshaped the land of the Middle Earth. That gives you an idea of Morgoth's power and the ainur's
Morgoth corrupted everything in the world which is a really important distinction. Sauron had the one ring but Morgoths ring is literally the entire world until the end times. Sauron didn’t create any of his evil servants but instead deceived them into thinking he was representing Morgoth or outright lied saying he was so as to gain their loyalty. Morgoth also was only put in time out in the void vs. Sauron who lost most of his power in the ring and is stuck wondering the Earth.
Sauron: One of if not the BBEG's Top Lieutenants Morgoth: The BBEG and second most powerful being in Middle-Earth Lore existence next to Eru himself. Note: When I say power I mean cosmic power in and of itself because Manwë (essentially king of the gods) was greatest in authority next to Eru and Tulkas (the only being capable of physically overpowering Morgoth) was the greatest in physical strength.
Morgoth's alternative name is Melkor which you might hear mentioned at times. There is a spider spirit also name Ungoliant. She would make Shelob look like a tiddler.
This video is incorrect. Morgoth didn't want to destroy life. He wanted to rule over other life. "And of these Melkor was the chief, even as he was in the beginning the greatest of the Ainur who took part in the Music. And he feigned, even to himself at first, that he desired to go thither and order all things for the good of the Children of Ilúvatar, controlling the turmoils of the heat and the cold that had come to pass through him. But he desired rather to subdue to his will both Elves and Men, envying the gifts with which Ilúvatar promised to endow them; and he wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be a master over other wills."
Morgoth didn’t want to destroy life. He wanted to corrupt it and twist it into a perversion of life. Hence the orcs, dragons etc. he wanted his own version of life.
That is true but his corrupt creations were made in spite. If Morgoth acquired the eternal flame, he likely would have created entirely different beings. That would never happen though, so perverting life was the next best option. Pretty much a god tier tantrum.
I agree. Melkor wanted to make life, so his corruptions/perversions were the consolation. Sauron wanted to establish order to chaos and control the seemingly uncontrollable.
Simply Morgoth was an envious artist while Sauron was a fascist. Morgoth wanted to reshape the very lands of middle earth and corrupt its inhabitants. He wanted to create his own version of arda(earth), middle earth was his canvas and chaos was his art. Sauron on the other hand on his own twisted ways desired for peace and order, through the rings of power and the one ring he sought to manipulate the leaders of middle earth to rule them all.
Thing is Mairon always had an attraction and respect for those with intelligence and skill. They are both fascinating and layered characters who among other characters too have inspired so many discussions for decades now on even simply about their perspectives etc!
Morgoth wanted to undo all of creation. Not just annihilating the Elves, Dwarves and Men. But every blade of grass, every river stream. Everything that represents life and that is living. Morgoth wanted to bring about the ultimate doom and annihilate everything. Sauron wanted ownership over creation, he wanted to be master of all living things and would do anything, and commit unspeakable atrocities to achieve his goal. So both are true evil just with different goals.
By the way Sauron is not the second powerful evil character in this world.. Morgoth or Melkor was an evil god and he has a few commander.. Most powerfull commander was Gothmog (leader of Balrogs), second one was (Glaurung) leader of Dragons, third powerfull commander was Sauron..
Could've been more in depth. Morgoth felt inadequate that he was the most powerful einur and held a share in all their spheres of power, yet he was humiliated by Eru who told melkor that even his power had it's utmost source in him (Eru). He was also impatient to create life and when he could not do it himself he sought to corrupt and destroy Erus work. Orcs, trolls, dragons etc. While morgoth was pure chaos, Sauron was pure order. He only joined morgoth as it boosted his own native power and gave him the ability of domination. Sauron himself hated wastage and wanted to make middle earth as beautiful as the blessed realm, however he believed that the people were unable to effectively govern themselves which is why he created the rings of power, to kill two birds with one stone; to control their wearers and slow the decay of time. These rings were intended to enthrall the minds of their wearers to his will in his one ring. However he once again underestimated the life around him, once he wore the master ring the elves took off their rings so as not to be influenced and the dwarves had indomitable wills as made by aule himself; the rings only made them greedier but gave sauron no control. This is when he tried his hand at conquest. In the end both morgoth and sauron fell by the same method. Their own hubris.
Morgoth wanted to control and twist life not destroying it as the second best option for him after he understood that only Iluvatar can create life. His destruction was a result of the other Valar not errr .. agreeing with him. His servants were the first ones to discover the awakening of the Children of Iluvatar - Elves and latter Men as well, the Orcs were created by torturing and corrupting the captured Elves first.
This video is all kinds of wrong. “Ainur” is an order used to describe the maiar and valar. The latter more powerful than the former. Morgoth was valar while Sauron was maiar.
Tolkien said that some Maiar were "nigh as great to the Valar". We can only speculate, but obviously Sauron fits into that category, seeing as how he almost ruled Middle-earth.
I'd say Morgoth wanted to destroy the world so that he could reshape it how he wanted. Before he ever went into Middle Earth his pursuit of power came about because in order to ensure a perfect world he had to have some control. This spiraled out of control and it led him to wanting to control everything (this same drive for control to ensure tranquility also corrupted Saron and the other fallen Maiar). So no, he wasn't chaos incarnate. The one who fulfilled that role was Ungoliant. She was this bottomless pit of hunger and only ever wanted to consume everything in Arda. She even damaged Morgoth enough at one point where he had to call out to his forces to help him.
Who said Morgoth wanted to destroy everything, he wanted to create things but couldn't so he was twisting and corrupting other creations, like creating Orcs from Elves. Also Morgoth's Dragons were most likely more evil than he was, Ungoliant was probably even more evil. There is no point in destroying everything when your whole story is trying to make others worship you. Same goes for Sauron.
Morgoth is Lucifer. Sauron is a high school goth kid who has black candles in his room and listens to death metal while drawing pentagrams on notebook paper.
Morgoth is the reason why I do respect the big homie JR Tolkien, and I think folks misconstrue his words, Mr. Tolkien before saying that Sauron in the second age was greater than Morgoth at the end of the first🤦🏿♂️ he made it clear that Sauron was smaller in stature if these dudes locked asses, Morgoth would crush him, this dude was doing crazy shit, while crippled after his fight with fingolfin. No way Sauron was on the level on this guy, a host of the valar had to be sent to take this dude down, screw the fact that he wouldn't come outside after his fight with fingolfin, the man's killers consisted of Glauron, Gothmog, Durins Bane, Ankelagon, even Sauron who was no warrior, was his little homie. some of the most terrifying villains in the legendarium, they are a product of Morgoth Bauglir.
I wished we focused more on the first age and the 2nd age it sounds like its the peak of the whole lore. Lord of the rings was technically the conclusion to it all.
Want to know more about Sauron and Morgoth or any thing else in Tolkien's World? Go to Nerd of the Rings's channel. Hes really good at giving detailed accounts and information in Tolkien's world including character backgrounds, stories, and origins and their detailed travels from all of Tolkien's books.
Nah, Men Of The West, Red Book, Tolkien Untangled and even Gormy is really great too, especially for his different types of elves video. Tolkien Untangled did some really great ones recently too. His last recent 10 were sublime!
The real mystery wasn't Morgoth or Sauron ... But The spider which has been called: Ungoliant Who or what created this creature or (better called it) This thing? Where it came to world of middle earth? What was it's purpose? and other unanswered questions ... If I know right, It was been able to defeat and maybe consume Morgoth (the strongest Vallar) himself, after she drank the nectar of those trees from lands of not dying, it has growen larger (if his balorogs would not aid him).
Morgoth is Saurons master. He was the one who corrupted Sauron and is pretty much responsible for all the evil acts in the world. Sauron had to step up after Morgoth was banished to the outer dark.
Sauron is more manipulative and cunning and thus more successful compared to his more powerful master who wasted a lot of his own energy on poisoning the world and it's lifeforms with his evil. In other fantasy worlds it is possible for a successor great evil/dark lord/demon king to surpass their predecessor and become more powerful and more evil but in Tolkien's world it is very difficult to surpass Morgoth's power. Morgoth's main power in his weakened state is his army of monsters, in combat he is a dangerous but also a terrible fighter because of how little time he spends in combat compared to the amount of time he spends on making monsters and poisoning the earth. Fingolfin would have had a smaller chance at injuring Morgoth if Morgoth had trained. Sauron also had less battle experience than those he fought in battle because of the amount of time he spends deceiving people and making strategies to defeat the enemy factions but I think he is ultimately the better combatant compared to Morgoth.
The difference between Morgoth and Sauron is more in intelligence. Morgoth was a god and had a ridiculous amount of power but not very smart. Sauron was not a good fighter but a very intelligent manipulator and more cunning then Morgoth.
@@lalallallagunwolaaaa Sauron literally lost to a hound of Orome. The big one was when Gil Galad and Elendil actually killed him. Isildur cut off the ring after Sauron was already killed. Morgoth mostly preyed on the hatred of the Noldor against each other. Most of the civilizations in Beleriand fell because of the Sons Of Feanor or Turin’s curse. He literally had luck on his side when the Valar didn’t execute him immediately after he was captured. Morgoth was more about military might to crush someone. Morgoth used intimidation to get his way and when that didn’t work he threw a temper tantrum. Sauron had a vastly smaller army than Morgoth ever did so Sauron had to be more creative. Most of the physical fights Sauron has been in he lost horribly. Sauron was a tactical genius but had to rush battles because he was scared of Aragorn thinking he had the ring. I would argue The Witch King is the best of two worlds an excellent fighter that could best Elves and a tactical genius.
@@mr.awesomereacts2533 You're right for most part but: 1.Hound is obviously powerful dog and he had help from Luthien not to mention prophecy which Sauron believed in his arrogance that it was him that will slay Hound. 2. No it wasn't luck because they couldn't kill him because he was a valar and no one could kill a valar only imprison him and Manwe couldn't understand lying which Melkor obviously was. 3.What do you mean he was throwing a temper tatrum by definition he was always throwing a temper tatrum but seriously what do you mean exacly? 4.Melkor was more creative than Sauron I think there was quote that said Morgoth started new plans but Sauron perfected them.
Morgoth wants to destroy everything that was created by Iluvatar or Valar out of spite from the Iluvatar. Sauron doesn't want to destroy but rule middle earth in his image. Come to think of it, if Sauron was a little less extreme, he could've been one of Morgoth's greatest rivals.
Short answer everyone gives credit to the first one like they did anything, then pretended like the second was lesser when he actually got closer to accomplishing the goal of both
I agree condescending nerds love pretending Sauron is a joke compared to Morgoth in an effort to show they know the Tolkienverse "better" even tho that's a super surface level take and ignorant af for what Tolkien was going for, they're different breeds of evil and both stained the world horrifically in different ways Morgoth definitely didn't do nothing tho, him pouring his very being into the the earth set the stage for Sauron and all subsequent evils tainting everything and everyone on some level, that's the reason why the world has to be made anew in the end because there was truly no getting rid of the damage he had done even when they were both made incapable of causing further harm or having direct influence on the world
Morgoth was the first and mightiest of the Valar born of the first thoughts of Eru to produce an Ainur. Sauron was merely a Maiar a much latter lesser thought of Eru, like a lesser spirit or lesser god, under the valar, who in turn are but creations of the one true god Eru Iluvatar. For this reason Sauron was much much much weaker than Morgoth. Sauron had learnt magic from Morgoth and used that to try and bolster his own power to approximate a degree of Morgoth's power, but he was always much weaker than Morgoth. The battle between the Valar and Morgoth destroyed a large part of the world, ending with Morgoth being exiled into the void.
Its not that clear. Because Morgoth couldnt crate things like Eru. So he had had to corrupt existing things by "wasting" his own powers. So when the War of Wrath started, Morgoth had already weakened himself by corrupting elves and crating monsters like Dragons. So maybe Sauron in his prime could be as strong as Morgoth during the War of Wrath.
@@NeroSparda99 Why are you so bitter on the subject without contributing anything to the conversation? Being serious, Sauron was destroyed. Morgoth couldn't be destroyed, even by the other Valar, just imprisoned in The Void because that was the best they could do and it is directly stated that even that was temporary and he would inevitably escape from it, eventually. How about instead of arguing for the sake of being argumentative, you actually provide an argument for... whatever it is you're even trying to argue. Before you go bashing people for knowing and/or being interested in the lore, perhaps you should learn more about it yourself.
Someone else could probably explain it better but one of the reasons why Sauron forged the one ring was to have an insurance policy in case he was defeated like Morgoth which he was. He basically dumped alot of power into that ring because when Morgoth was sent to the void he had no way to return ever again and cause trouble.. Sauron didn't want the same thing happening to him. Morgoth was undeniably more powerful than Sauron but Sauron was smarter and learnt from his master's mistakes.
Beckett and Dryden Voss being in could also give a real smuggler team since rn the smuggler faction only exists for smuggler’s run, credit heist, and training droid heist lol (side note why isn’t Jabba a scoundrel??) also think they could add Agent Kallus at some point though it’s a bit awkward with the imperial trooper teams since he probably could/should be a leader but that would make team cracks among Veers/Iden/DTMG even worse
it would be great to get a movie trilogy regarding each age....or each book . I am currently reading lord of the rings and I'm about half way through the fellowship .. the movies left so much great content out of them it makes you think each book should have been a trilogy of its own.
@@daneoman1000 yeah cause Balrogs are powerful demons created by ancient rituals and bestowed withe the very power of Morgoth, they're so stronger that even the gods had problems against fighting them and let's not speak of their leader who was a total beast (but he got slayen during the war of first age that set of the start of second age)
Sauron got defeated by a bunch of pathetic sentient meat. Morgoth needed Eru himself, the creator of existence itself to intervene bending the space and banishing him to the void.
What you mean is... the entirety of middle earth came to fight morgoth and still could not win but luckily two certain people made to the western lands and begged the Valar to help and they did so. Destroying Morgoth's army and banishing him to the void... which is said he will escape one day.
Morgoth was defeated by the host of the Valar (the second time) and Tulkas only arrived at the end to chain him up. The doors of Night were always there, he was thrown into them again. Sauron was not to be overpowered to defeat him; no physical harm would ever keep him down unless the Ring was destroyed.
Sauron is less evil than Morgoth. Morgoth wanted to Destroy everything because he couldn't create life and Sauron wanted Order and to Control life.
Sauron thought that free will was a bad idea
Sauron is honestly misunderstood
@@yugansharora8910 thats according to lore
@@yugansharora8910 Dude why are you so rude??
@@ahmadfrhan5265 lol i know poor guy.
As one guy said about Emperor and Vader.
Sauron Isn’t Satan. He is the guy Satan sends to get his smokes.
The antichrist
lol thats a good comparison
@@mde3370 yes in quran dajjal
Also Antichrist has one eye same as sauron
And also he is the deciever
@@mde3370 satan is morgoth
Both are anti-christic figures, tbh
"There's always two of them: Master & apprentice...no more,no less."😉
You are goddam right!
The Sith of Khan's Brotherhood believed their strength in numbers would avail the Dark Side...what they did not realize is that the fewer Sith there are, the more power is concentrated among those beings. After Bane created the Rule of Two, the entire energy of the Dark Side was split between two beings....one to hold the power, and the other to crave it.
Well, melkor had more. They all just died.
Actually gothmog stood equal to sauron during morgoths time
@@nathandomke2721 Nah
Morgoth wants to kill everything out of jealousy. Sauron wants to rule everything to feed his ego
*Precisely why Morgoth is more of a Godlike being, and Sauron is just a little Shit on the timeline of Middle-Earth!*
It's envy not jealousy
Morgoth also wanted to rule everything: "And of these Melkor was the chief, even as he was in the beginning the greatest of the Ainur who took part in the Music. And he feigned, even to himself at first, that he desired to go thither and order all things for the good of the Children of Ilúvatar, controlling the turmoils of the heat and the cold that had come to pass through him. But he desired rather to subdue to his will both Elves and Men, envying the gifts with which Ilúvatar promised to endow them; and he wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be a master over other wills."
@@Arge-xv5ck aren't those a same thing?
@@Dahaka-rd6tw no my brother, jealousy is when you fear someone might take somebody or something you love from you, envy is the feeling someone has something that you don't have without deserving it.
Envy consists of three feelings: a sense of inferiority, the shame of being inferior and the craving for the thing you wish you had.
Morgoth was the original dark Lord while sauron was his lieutenant.
Morgoth was a valar or angelic beings that were created from eru's mind. It had been said that melkor or morgoth was the mightiest valar but he wanted the flame imperishable for himself which can create life but it was with eru iluvatar. Due to this he tried creating havoc in the mighty music of ainur.
Then he along with other valar and maiar came down to arda (the earth).
There were many wars fought between him and other valars but at last he was chained.
The first children of iluvatar also came who were elves and they crafted the silmarils but it was stolen by morgoth. The first age is all about the wars between morgoth and elves.
At last with the aid of valar morgoth was defeated but sauron his lieutenant escaped and hid in arda.
Then in second age sauron took a fair form and shared his knowledge of ring forging to the grandchildren of feanor (the elf who created the silmarils) . In this way 16 rings were created by sauron and elves. Three rings were created by elves alone and one master ring was created by sauron in which he put his own will and malice. The second age ends with the fall of sauron with his defeat in the war of last alliance of men and elves and in third age he returned but he fell completely since his ring was destroyed.
So morgoth is a bigger threat than sauron?
@@jmgonzales7701 Yes Morgoth makes Sauron look like a little B*tch
@@jmgonzales7701 Yes. He is beyond Sauron as Sauron was beyond Galadriel. Sauron was the most powerful Maia (lesser spirit) while Morgoth/Melkor was the most powerful Vala(greater spirit)
@@Yuudaddy cool stuff
Wow... You explain more than four books in one page😁👌👌. Please do movies recap. You're dm good
Chaotic Evil vs Lawful Evil
perfectly said
this is the Facebook comment of the day.
How would evil ever be “Lawful” to begin with?
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Evil Mastermind: Lawful Evil
Murder Hobo: Chaotic Evil
@@AdhvaithSane An evil which follows certain principles and is interested in "rulling" over something rather than "destroying" it mindlessly.
Morgoth for example would, rather completely destroy everything to spread chaos. It's a sort of lust for power to satisfy his rage.
Sauron would subjugate and dominate everything to recreate it according to his own vision.
Read the works before creating a video.
"Melkor", later named 'Morgoth' by Féanor himself, did NOT want to destroy creation. He wanted dominion over all the world and the worship of the First and Second Children.
His primary motive was to find the Flame Imperishable. The power of true creation. He never found it. So, instead, he warped what life there was to fashion the 'evil' races of Middle Earth and Beleriand.
Sauron poured most of his power into the One Ring. Morgoth did something similar in that he expended a great deal of his might in his first attempt to create life. The Great Wyrms and later the Winged Wyrms (Dragons).
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that Morgoth wasn't chaotic. Sauron took his manner and methods directly from his master.
People forget that both Gandalf and Sauron were Maiar. Not only that, but both were Maiar of Fire. As were the Maiar who became the Balrogs. Morgoth commanded multiple Maiar.
Correct. I think a lot of people look over when gandalf tells his story of battling HIS ancient foe.
Thanks for that makes me want to read the books that rest in my collection
Yep, and the reason why the lands of mordor are the way they are is because of Melkor's corruption.
Thank you for this- this short vastly misunderstands the natures of Morgoth and Sauron. While distinct personalities, they both shared the same general ambition and worldview, and had the same general goal. Philosophically, Morgoth did not accept the living beings created fit into the perfection of creation. Their messiness and propensity towards imperfection and chaos made him believe they were corrupting creation, so he corrupted these beings into creations of his own as mockeries to what was created as a sort of protest and revolt.
The distinction mainly lies in the differences in approaches and methods Morgoth and Sauron took to changing Middle Earth. Melkor's objection and revolt against creation was an almost purely metaphysical and philosophical one. And literally, in the sense that he was singing discord into the song of creation as a philosophical and narrative counterpoint. It was this metaphysical counter melody that directly influenced physical creation and corrupted aspects of it.
Sauron, being a lower being, did everything he did in the world physically, and the methods of his revolt were nearly purely political and material. He physically acted as a recruiter and battlefield commander, as a necromancer, and even poured his metaphysical evil into a physical object, concreting it into physical form on Middle Earth.
I'm sure there's a lot I've missed and probably some inaccuracies with what I've said, but the distinctions between Morgoth and Sauron seem to be more methodological, and due to the difference in their natures- one being an Ainur and trying to change the fundamental nature of reality through metaphysical dissonance that materializes in physical reality, and the other a Mai'ar who seeks to change creation by physically dominating it and dictating it from the physical world itself. But as you can see, philosophically, they ultimately had the same ideas and goals, and Sauron was independently carrying out the goals of his master, even after his defeat.
Morgoth is Sauron’s boss it’s that’s simple
So simple explanation, thank you 😂👌🏻
Yep. Morgoth/Melkor is Lucifer and Sauron is his second in command basically Malphas.
‘Was’
@Aung Ramen Aule the Valar is interesting compared to his Maiar disciples (Sauron and Saruman) because knowing only Eru Illuvitar can create life, Aule "crafted" the dwarven race out of stone, they were essentially inanimate objects. When Eru discovered this he asked Aule why he defied Eru in trying to create life as he pointed out during the Ailundale (the song of creation) that only he is permitted to create life; Aule's response impressed Eru so much, Eru sanctioned the Dwarven Race for Aule and permitted it.
point is; compared to his disciples and Melkor, Eru made the distinction that Aule created life out of admiration instead of ambition like his peers
Nice swingers.
" *just* wanted to rule middle earth" is a heck of way to belittle and dumb down Sauron 💀 Idk why people have such a hard time appreciating that they were two DIFFERENT breeds of evil, you can acknowledge the fact Morgoth was more powerful and destructive AND appreciate Sauron's ability to manipulate and corrupt, he didn't want to "just" rule middle earth (which he got so close to doing despite being far less powerful) he wanted to all but enslave all beings hearts and minds to his will. Chaos vs Order, they're both magnificent villains and stained middle earth forever, at least until it's made anew
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Sauron didn't just want to rule middle earth. He wanted to control every aspect of life in middle earth and make it as efficient and productive as possible or destroy it if it doesn't. As said Sauron prefers a volcano over a tree for the volcano he can use while the tree just stands in the way.
Sauron would have turned Middle Earth into a barren wasteland with monstrous servants oppressing helpless slaves. Some Utopia.
@@tompearce5418not true imo
@@devan98 what's your take on his grand plan? Morder was Sauron's base of operations and it was a barren wasteland. He occupied Mirkwood for years and it was strictly a no-go zone for casual travellers. Throughout Tolkien's writing Sauron's idea of paradise was consistently portrayed as unhealthy for everyone else.
@@tompearce5418 he wants to rule over all of middle earth. He was the opposite of everything melkor was. Sauron wanted to fix what Melkor tried to destroy. And control everything. I don’t think he was looking to ruin it all. Mordor was like that because of mt. Doom. Not because Sauron wanted it to be like that. But bc the orcs and Adar wanted it like that.
Morgoth represents Chaos
Sauron represents Order
Properly said
So Morgoth is a woman, and Sauron is a man?
@@Jatmundar lol
@@Jatmundar Sir you indeed are right, so i'll be claping yo mama's cheeks tonight
@@Jatmundar💀🤣
What an imaginative mind Tolkien had 🤩
Most of his work was loosely inspired by Catholicism
One church to rule them all. I agree I’m sure it’s a mix of all European history and legend but of course AMAZON disagree
@@johnozzmond9728 its more inspired by the Welsh and Finnish and Norse epics. Kalevala, Elder Edda, Beowulf, Sigurd and Gudrun, Bagvagita and so on, and definitely the more forgotten Aurthurian legends too. But even more so with the irish lore and culture which many things were seeded such as The Tuatha De Danaan!
@@Makkaru112 Tolkien himself said his work was inspired by Catholicism, unconsciously at first, then consciously in revision. He also drew from some various European mythologies, but that's true of any western fantasy work
@@johnozzmond9728his works are inspired by Anglo-Saxon folk culture and history which is pagan.
But Sauron was more goth.
But was Morgoth more goth than Gothmog?
Oh bull__
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Nice pun there😂
Morgoth wasn't a destroyer, he was a corruptor. He hated the Elves because they were created by Illuvatar and because the other Valar shaped Arda for the Elves. Morgoth wanted to create on his own and in searching for the Imperishable Flame deep in the vastness of Ea, away from the song of the Ainur, he essentially went mad, turning his power to corruption. His powers, once he descended into Arda, still co-mingled with the other Valar and served a purpose, but he didn't want to destroy all life. Just the life that Illuvatar had created. Chiefly Elves and Men, but he would corrupt them if he could. He too wanted to rule his own realm and his actions were to make the Elves leave Middle-Earth and return to Valinor.
First correct description of Morgoth. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, Sauron wasn't his lieutenant, he was his head prison guard.
Morgoth wanted to corrupt and destroy
Sauron wanted to build, craft, and rule
So basically... Sauron wanted to play Minecraft in Survival but Morgoth wanted to play Creative...
@@NaumanAsifnah, Sauron is the Creative mode guy type, while Morgoth is the one with a TNT that destroys everything.
Sauron = Megatron
Morgoth = Unicron
Is this right?
Unicron is like satan from the transformers world but megatron is from primus or god in their verse so megatron is actually a good guy in their world since he only wants to rebuild his planet
More like Unicron and Galvitron. But yea.
Omg yes exactly
Maybe change Megatron to Fallen or Galvatron
Lord Palpatine = Morgoth
Darth Vader = Sauron
I found it really interesting how in the books Sauron is actually pretty diplomatic. He usually tried negotiations before war. He even tried to purchase horses from Rohan for the wraiths, when they refused he simply stole them.
Sauron = Joffrey
Morgoth = Night King
Sauron is not Joffrey. you cant do this to us
this is EVIL
But better
I would say: Sauron = Littlefinger
@@maiorproposita9957 He meant how important they are in the grand scheme of things.
Sauron be like “ouch 😭”
Morgoth made the first ring in a sense. Which ironically can't be destroyed since Morgoth's ring is the entirety of middle earth. He litterally put a piece of himself into everything on middle earth
Morgoth morgothed all over middle earth. Best thing I ever saw
The biggest difference it took the entire of the valar race to even contend with Morgoth the same race who didn't bat an eye towards sauron.
True.
They bat eyed cause they send Istari to help Free peoples to defeat Sauron, they didnt wanted another War of Wrath which would destroy another large part of continent, like Beleriand was destroyed thats difference, they were aware of what their powers could do and they change tactics, go reread lore again and then talk
@@patriktakac4970 That wasn't them batting an eye they couldn't care for sauron the istari by the 3rd age were no better than an average elf
@@Theemptythroneistaken It seems you dont understand a Tolkien, Istari were selected so that they could assist the free peoples to defeat a Sauron, sending the Istari was their answer, their batting the eye
@patriktakac4970 If they batted an eye they would of sent one of there own ranks I.E another valar the istari in the 3rd age were nothing.
I used to think Morgoth was a place 🤣🤣🤣
That place is Mordor.
Tolkien Lore (The Tolkien Geek) channel did a really cool one where he proved Sauron is like a replacement Manwë to Morgoth, i won't spoil anything. It's super fascinating and he uses source material only to prove it.
Morgoth, originally Melkor, was multitalented in creating things. He was not the master of a single thing, but he was close in talent to the Vala that were. Were he more disciplined, he would have been the king of Arda Unstained forever. But because of his multitalented nature and his lust to create coupled with his undisciplined habits in his work, he grew prideful and jealous for what was not his. He became a chaotic despot.
Sauron, originally Mairon, was similarly multitalented among the Maiar, and he had a great fascination with Order and Creation, being the apprentice of Aulë, the Vala of Craft. This fascination grew into an obsession with Melkor's meddling, and he betrayed Manwë, discontent with the way the King of Arda imposed such a lack of Order upon Arda.
Morgoth : chaotic evil
Sauroum : neutral evil
Sauron is more likely Lawful Evil
@@jakubbariasz6235 yes he wants perfect order, that's why he gives all his orcs a number
Neutral evil in LOTR are more or less the Easterlings. Not under Sauron's tyranny anymore, but decided to join his forces for their own gains and to stop the infighting in their lands. Amoral, just as ruthless as the orks, made the choice to be evil.
Sauron is definitely Lawful Evil
@@jakubbariasz6235 yep, if he were to exist in forgotten realms he would be PRETTY fucking similliar to Bane
Morgoth/Melkor is a Vala, while Sauron is a Maia
MorGoth is the strongest amongst Valar who inturn are the strongest amongst Maia who all are in a way Ainur
@@Sanchez792 i thought the Valar were the children of Ainur and the Maia were the subdivision of weaker Valar
This person's use of "Ainur" is incorrect. Ainur is a categorisation of both Maiar and Valar. Sauron is a Maiar (demi-god) and Morgoth is a Valar (pantheon god) and Illuvitar is THE god that encompasses all, both the Maiar and Valar are his children conceived from his thoughts
@@peaceunion5316 power systems in Tolkien are never so simple as valar equals better in every way. If it helps, think of it this way, a battle oriented MAIAR can easily take Morgoth, such as Tulkas, who entered the world later on via Eru. And through bravery and faith in Eru beings like Olorin in their nerfed wizard form can take on a Balrog of morgoth, also a Maia like Gandalf. Same as how if the ground wasn't ground to dust around Fingolfin, he'd have continued to damage melkor more than seven times and continued to dodge his blows. And those wounds melkor bore could never heal and he'd be forever in agony and forever had a limp, forever to be embarrassed infront of his generals and thralls alike!
@@NakedGhost3234 demi God would be Lùthien!, think Hercules
Sauron, Balrogs and the wizards are all Maia so the wars for middle earth is like a really intense episode of Family Feud
The war vs Morgoth, the Dagor Dagorath, was so brutal it reshaped the land of the Middle Earth. That gives you an idea of Morgoth's power and the ainur's
Morgoth corrupted everything in the world which is a really important distinction. Sauron had the one ring but Morgoths ring is literally the entire world until the end times. Sauron didn’t create any of his evil servants but instead deceived them into thinking he was representing Morgoth or outright lied saying he was so as to gain their loyalty. Morgoth also was only put in time out in the void vs. Sauron who lost most of his power in the ring and is stuck wondering the Earth.
Sauron: One of if not the BBEG's Top Lieutenants
Morgoth: The BBEG and second most powerful being in Middle-Earth Lore existence next to Eru himself.
Note: When I say power I mean cosmic power in and of itself because Manwë (essentially king of the gods) was greatest in authority next to Eru and Tulkas (the only being capable of physically overpowering Morgoth) was the greatest in physical strength.
Sounds like in DnD terms, Morgoth is Chaotic Evil while Sauron is Lawful Evil.
Morgoth: Strongest ainur
Also Morgoth: *traumatised when tulkas laughs*
Well have you seen those guns???
@@edgarulisescespedeschew4279😂 yeah our boy morgoth doesn't want anything to do with those 18 inch MK1 navy destroyer level guns of tulkas!
Literally "you adopted the dark, i was born in it"
Melkor gangster untill Ungoliath shows up
Morgoth's alternative name is Melkor which you might hear mentioned at times. There is a spider spirit also name Ungoliant. She would make Shelob look like a tiddler.
Morgoth is the more Chuck Norrisy version of Sauron.
This video is incorrect. Morgoth didn't want to destroy life. He wanted to rule over other life.
"And of these Melkor was the chief, even as he was in the beginning the greatest of the Ainur who took part in the Music. And he feigned, even to himself at first, that he desired to go thither and order all things for the good of the Children of Ilúvatar, controlling the turmoils of the heat and the cold that had come to pass through him. But he desired rather to subdue to his will both Elves and Men, envying the gifts with which Ilúvatar promised to endow them; and he wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be a master over other wills."
Morgoth didn’t want to destroy life. He wanted to corrupt it and twist it into a perversion of life. Hence the orcs, dragons etc. he wanted his own version of life.
That is true but his corrupt creations were made in spite. If Morgoth acquired the eternal flame, he likely would have created entirely different beings. That would never happen though, so perverting life was the next best option. Pretty much a god tier tantrum.
I agree. Melkor wanted to make life, so his corruptions/perversions were the consolation. Sauron wanted to establish order to chaos and control the seemingly uncontrollable.
Morgoth didn't want to play music with the other Ainor. He just wanted to make his own tune.
But neither are as evil as the new villain
-Amazon
Simply Morgoth was an envious artist while Sauron was a fascist.
Morgoth wanted to reshape the very lands of middle earth and corrupt its inhabitants. He wanted to create his own version of arda(earth), middle earth was his canvas and chaos was his art.
Sauron on the other hand on his own twisted ways desired for peace and order, through the rings of power and the one ring he sought to manipulate the leaders of middle earth to rule them all.
Thing is Mairon always had an attraction and respect for those with intelligence and skill. They are both fascinating and layered characters who among other characters too have inspired so many discussions for decades now on even simply about their perspectives etc!
We need a Morgoth storyline on TV or a big screen
Would be really cool aslong as they don't fuck it up like the "Rings of power" series that recently dropped
no we don't. use your imagination instead of asking Hollywood to animate it.
In terms of strength Morgoth is like a free Robin Williams Genie and Sauron is like a normal Tuesday afternoon Jafar.
Morgoth wanted to undo all of creation. Not just annihilating the Elves, Dwarves and Men.
But every blade of grass, every river stream. Everything that represents life and that is living.
Morgoth wanted to bring about the ultimate doom and annihilate everything.
Sauron wanted ownership over creation, he wanted to be master of all living things and would do anything, and commit unspeakable atrocities to achieve his goal.
So both are true evil just with different goals.
That was initially when he first descended. After his power was diminished by the First Age he was content with ruling all of Eru's creations.
Sauron wanted to remove free will to create his perfect world
Morgoth wanted to ruin what others made.
Morgoth is essentially Lucifer in Tolkiens creation myth.
By the way Sauron is not the second powerful evil character in this world.. Morgoth or Melkor was an evil god and he has a few commander.. Most powerfull commander was Gothmog (leader of Balrogs), second one was (Glaurung) leader of Dragons, third powerfull commander was Sauron..
Could've been more in depth. Morgoth felt inadequate that he was the most powerful einur and held a share in all their spheres of power, yet he was humiliated by Eru who told melkor that even his power had it's utmost source in him (Eru). He was also impatient to create life and when he could not do it himself he sought to corrupt and destroy Erus work. Orcs, trolls, dragons etc. While morgoth was pure chaos, Sauron was pure order. He only joined morgoth as it boosted his own native power and gave him the ability of domination. Sauron himself hated wastage and wanted to make middle earth as beautiful as the blessed realm, however he believed that the people were unable to effectively govern themselves which is why he created the rings of power, to kill two birds with one stone; to control their wearers and slow the decay of time. These rings were intended to enthrall the minds of their wearers to his will in his one ring. However he once again underestimated the life around him, once he wore the master ring the elves took off their rings so as not to be influenced and the dwarves had indomitable wills as made by aule himself; the rings only made them greedier but gave sauron no control. This is when he tried his hand at conquest. In the end both morgoth and sauron fell by the same method. Their own hubris.
So, basically:
Morgoth: destroy *everything*
Sauron: control *everything*
Morgoth is evil god while Sarun is fallen angel
Sauron might have been goth, but he wasn't Morgoth.
I love armors they wear!
Morgoth is like an archangel while Sauron is a powerful angel.
Sauron put all of his power into his one ring until he had none, it was precious for him
But morgoth ring was literally the middle earth
So to sum it up Morgoth wants to destroy while Sauron wants to control
looking forward for more of these lotr videos!
Morgoth: Palpatine
Sauron: Vader
Morgoth is a fallen angel of greater power (valar) , Sauron is a fallen angel of lesser power (maiar), corrupted by Morgoth. It's that simple.
No
No
Morgoth wanted to control and twist life not destroying it as the second best option for him after he understood that only Iluvatar can create life. His destruction was a result of the other Valar not errr .. agreeing with him. His servants were the first ones to discover the awakening of the Children of Iluvatar - Elves and latter Men as well, the Orcs were created by torturing and corrupting the captured Elves first.
Better story telling than Rings Of Power
Tolkien says outright that Melkor (later known as Morgoth) was "the mightiest of the Ainur." He doesn’t say "the smartest."
Sauron is a shadow
Morgoth is Darkness
Morgoth= Lucifer, Sauron= powerful demon
This video is all kinds of wrong. “Ainur” is an order used to describe the maiar and valar. The latter more powerful than the former. Morgoth was valar while Sauron was maiar.
Tolkien said that some Maiar were "nigh as great to the Valar". We can only speculate, but obviously Sauron fits into that category, seeing as how he almost ruled Middle-earth.
I'd say Morgoth wanted to destroy the world so that he could reshape it how he wanted. Before he ever went into Middle Earth his pursuit of power came about because in order to ensure a perfect world he had to have some control. This spiraled out of control and it led him to wanting to control everything (this same drive for control to ensure tranquility also corrupted Saron and the other fallen Maiar). So no, he wasn't chaos incarnate. The one who fulfilled that role was Ungoliant. She was this bottomless pit of hunger and only ever wanted to consume everything in Arda. She even damaged Morgoth enough at one point where he had to call out to his forces to help him.
Sauron is a boy.
Morgoth is a BIG boy.
Who said Morgoth wanted to destroy everything, he wanted to create things but couldn't so he was twisting and corrupting other creations, like creating Orcs from Elves. Also Morgoth's Dragons were most likely more evil than he was, Ungoliant was probably even more evil. There is no point in destroying everything when your whole story is trying to make others worship you. Same goes for Sauron.
Morgoth is Lucifer. Sauron is a high school goth kid who has black candles in his room and listens to death metal while drawing pentagrams on notebook paper.
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Sauron wasn’t really so bad then, and he promoted orc civil rights.
Sauron is the boogie man. Morgoth is the guy you call to kill the boogie man.
Dude i really needed to know this thank you for the good content and easy to understand for non eng like me
And morgoth was huge
So Morgoth was actual evil; and Sauron was spoiled greedy kid with ridiculous power
Morgoth is the reason why I do respect the big homie JR Tolkien, and I think folks misconstrue his words, Mr. Tolkien before saying that Sauron in the second age was greater than Morgoth at the end of the first🤦🏿♂️ he made it clear that Sauron was smaller in stature if these dudes locked asses, Morgoth would crush him, this dude was doing crazy shit, while crippled after his fight with fingolfin. No way Sauron was on the level on this guy, a host of the valar had to be sent to take this dude down, screw the fact that he wouldn't come outside after his fight with fingolfin, the man's killers consisted of Glauron, Gothmog, Durins Bane, Ankelagon, even Sauron who was no warrior, was his little homie. some of the most terrifying villains in the legendarium, they are a product of Morgoth Bauglir.
I wished we focused more on the first age and the 2nd age it sounds like its the peak of the whole lore. Lord of the rings was technically the conclusion to it all.
@@jmgonzales7701 Pretty much
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 yeah sucks we never got the full thing.
**Cue Tulkas**
Morgoth: **Hides like the ninny he is**
We get it dude, you read Tolkien lore and you’re edgy because you like morgoth over the more popular villain character
Morgoth did with Arda (the planet), what Sauron did with the One ring.
It's like comparing Homelander to Superman, it's not even close.
Want to know more about Sauron and Morgoth or any thing else in Tolkien's World? Go to Nerd of the Rings's channel. Hes really good at giving detailed accounts and information in Tolkien's world including character backgrounds, stories, and origins and their detailed travels from all of Tolkien's books.
Nah, Men Of The West, Red Book, Tolkien Untangled and even Gormy is really great too, especially for his different types of elves video. Tolkien Untangled did some really great ones recently too. His last recent 10 were sublime!
Sauron believed in ultimate order, meaning ultimate slavery.
The real mystery wasn't Morgoth or Sauron ...
But The spider which has been called:
Ungoliant
Who or what created this creature or (better called it) This thing?
Where it came to world of middle earth?
What was it's purpose?
and other unanswered questions ...
If I know right, It was been able to defeat and maybe consume Morgoth (the strongest Vallar) himself, after she drank the nectar of those trees from lands of not dying, it has growen larger (if his balorogs would not aid him).
She was there before the making of everything, it's said she came from the void. A primordial evil if you will
@@leonlopez2441Did the nameless things also came from void
@@alpborakirte801 I've no idea, I'd like to think so because Gandalf had no knowledge of them
@@leonlopez2441No, there's no reference for this
Morgoth is Saurons master. He was the one who corrupted Sauron and is pretty much responsible for all the evil acts in the world. Sauron had to step up after Morgoth was banished to the outer dark.
Morgoth is Chaotic Evil
Sauron is Lawful Evil
We definitely want a Morgoth Saga in the movies. Hoping to see a Silmarillion universe before i grow old 🥹
Can you tell me what apps did you use for editing?
CapCut only 😊
Sauron wasn't the chief lieutenant of Morgoth. Gothmog the Lord of the Balrogs outranked him and was more powerful than Sauron.
After Rings of Power I’m rooting for Sauron
That's cause you're dumb
you're so original 🙄
@@bookywooky2259 ok Galadriel
Sauron is more manipulative and cunning and thus more successful compared to his more powerful master who wasted a lot of his own energy on poisoning the world and it's lifeforms with his evil.
In other fantasy worlds it is possible for a successor great evil/dark lord/demon king to surpass their predecessor and become more powerful and more evil but in Tolkien's world it is very difficult to surpass Morgoth's power. Morgoth's main power in his weakened state is his army of monsters, in combat he is a dangerous but also a terrible fighter because of how little time he spends in combat compared to the amount of time he spends on making monsters and poisoning the earth. Fingolfin would have had a smaller chance at injuring Morgoth if Morgoth had trained. Sauron also had less battle experience than those he fought in battle because of the amount of time he spends deceiving people and making strategies to defeat the enemy factions but I think he is ultimately the better combatant compared to Morgoth.
The difference between Morgoth and Sauron is more in intelligence. Morgoth was a god and had a ridiculous amount of power but not very smart. Sauron was not a good fighter but a very intelligent manipulator and more cunning then Morgoth.
Morgoth wasn't dumb lol. Sauron admired Melkor and learned everything from him about manipulating and also Sauron isn't bad fighter.
@@lalallallagunwolaaaa Sauron literally lost to a hound of Orome. The big one was when Gil Galad and Elendil actually killed him. Isildur cut off the ring after Sauron was already killed. Morgoth mostly preyed on the hatred of the Noldor against each other. Most of the civilizations in Beleriand fell because of the Sons Of Feanor or Turin’s curse. He literally had luck on his side when the Valar didn’t execute him immediately after he was captured. Morgoth was more about military might to crush someone. Morgoth used intimidation to get his way and when that didn’t work he threw a temper tantrum. Sauron had a vastly smaller army than Morgoth ever did so Sauron had to be more creative. Most of the physical fights Sauron has been in he lost horribly. Sauron was a tactical genius but had to rush battles because he was scared of Aragorn thinking he had the ring. I would argue The Witch King is the best of two worlds an excellent fighter that could best Elves and a tactical genius.
@@mr.awesomereacts2533 You're right for most part but:
1.Hound is obviously powerful dog and he had help from Luthien not to mention prophecy which Sauron believed in his arrogance that it was him that will slay Hound.
2. No it wasn't luck because they couldn't kill him because he was a valar and no one could kill a valar only imprison him and Manwe couldn't understand lying which Melkor obviously was.
3.What do you mean he was throwing a temper tatrum by definition he was always throwing a temper tatrum but seriously what do you mean exacly?
4.Melkor was more creative than Sauron I think there was quote that said Morgoth started new plans but Sauron perfected them.
Morgoth didn't need to be smart, he was so powerful basically no one could take him down.
Morgoth wants to destroy everything that was created by Iluvatar or Valar out of spite from the Iluvatar. Sauron doesn't want to destroy but rule middle earth in his image. Come to think of it, if Sauron was a little less extreme, he could've been one of Morgoth's greatest rivals.
Short answer everyone gives credit to the first one like they did anything, then pretended like the second was lesser when he actually got closer to accomplishing the goal of both
I agree condescending nerds love pretending Sauron is a joke compared to Morgoth in an effort to show they know the Tolkienverse "better" even tho that's a super surface level take and ignorant af for what Tolkien was going for, they're different breeds of evil and both stained the world horrifically in different ways
Morgoth definitely didn't do nothing tho, him pouring his very being into the the earth set the stage for Sauron and all subsequent evils tainting everything and everyone on some level, that's the reason why the world has to be made anew in the end because there was truly no getting rid of the damage he had done even when they were both made incapable of causing further harm or having direct influence on the world
Morgoth was the first and mightiest of the Valar born of the first thoughts of Eru to produce an Ainur.
Sauron was merely a Maiar a much latter lesser thought of Eru, like a lesser spirit or lesser god, under the valar, who in turn are but creations of the one true god Eru Iluvatar.
For this reason Sauron was much much much weaker than Morgoth. Sauron had learnt magic from Morgoth and used that to try and bolster his own power to approximate a degree of Morgoth's power, but he was always much weaker than Morgoth. The battle between the Valar and Morgoth destroyed a large part of the world, ending with Morgoth being exiled into the void.
In more simple terms morgoth would slap salron
Yea I don’t think salron is strong who that a hobbit ?
Its not that clear. Because Morgoth couldnt crate things like Eru. So he had had to corrupt existing things by "wasting" his own powers. So when the War of Wrath started, Morgoth had already weakened himself by corrupting elves and crating monsters like Dragons. So maybe Sauron in his prime could be as strong as Morgoth during the War of Wrath.
Why do you mfs always do this? Who was the villian that didn’t to get put down in round 2? Be serious
@@NeroSparda99 Why are you so bitter on the subject without contributing anything to the conversation? Being serious, Sauron was destroyed. Morgoth couldn't be destroyed, even by the other Valar, just imprisoned in The Void because that was the best they could do and it is directly stated that even that was temporary and he would inevitably escape from it, eventually. How about instead of arguing for the sake of being argumentative, you actually provide an argument for... whatever it is you're even trying to argue. Before you go bashing people for knowing and/or being interested in the lore, perhaps you should learn more about it yourself.
Someone else could probably explain it better but one of the reasons why Sauron forged the one ring was to have an insurance policy in case he was defeated like Morgoth which he was. He basically dumped alot of power into that ring because when Morgoth was sent to the void he had no way to return ever again and cause trouble.. Sauron didn't want the same thing happening to him. Morgoth was undeniably more powerful than Sauron but Sauron was smarter and learnt from his master's mistakes.
Master and servant… simply put
Boy just reading this made me confused af
Sauron is a demon and Morgoth is the devil
@@naikosei1585 MAN THANK UUUUU,u must be the ring of knowledge geez
Beckett and Dryden Voss being in could also give a real smuggler team since rn the smuggler faction only exists for smuggler’s run, credit heist, and training droid heist lol (side note why isn’t Jabba a scoundrel??)
also think they could add Agent Kallus at some point though it’s a bit awkward with the imperial trooper teams since he probably could/should be a leader but that would make team cracks among Veers/Iden/DTMG even worse
IS IT BELIEVED...WE KNOWS THAT ENGLISH is SPOKEN ALL 🧐VER THE WORLD.
Its true
it would be great to get a movie trilogy regarding each age....or each book . I am currently reading lord of the rings and I'm about half way through the fellowship .. the movies left so much great content out of them it makes you think each book should have been a trilogy of its own.
Morgoth is a god, sauron is a "fallen angel"
Both are "fall angels"
This two doesn't hold a candle to the most hated villain on Middle-Earth. Denethor.
Destroyer of cherry tomatoes
Morgoth is god and had command over Balrogs.
Sauron is also a god
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But a way lesser one. There was just one above Morgoth and that was Eru himself.
Yes hence why in the movies Gandalf said ,” A Balrog of Morgoth, this foe is beyond any of you…run!”
@@daneoman1000 yeah cause Balrogs are powerful demons created by ancient rituals and bestowed withe the very power of Morgoth, they're so stronger that even the gods had problems against fighting them and let's not speak of their leader who was a total beast (but he got slayen during the war of first age that set of the start of second age)
Also, both of them were not half as evil as Amazons Galadriel !
Sauron got defeated by a bunch of pathetic sentient meat.
Morgoth needed Eru himself, the creator of existence itself to intervene bending the space and banishing him to the void.
Lol what? The Valar did cast Morgoth into the void.
What you mean is... the entirety of middle earth came to fight morgoth and still could not win but luckily two certain people made to the western lands and begged the Valar to help and they did so. Destroying Morgoth's army and banishing him to the void... which is said he will escape one day.
Morgoth was defeated by the host of the Valar (the second time) and Tulkas only arrived at the end to chain him up. The doors of Night were always there, he was thrown into them again.
Sauron was not to be overpowered to defeat him; no physical harm would ever keep him down unless the Ring was destroyed.