More on superposition. General state of a photon and spin states

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  • Опубликовано: 4 июл 2017
  • MIT 8.04 Quantum Physics I, Spring 2016
    View the complete course: ocw.mit.edu/8-04S16
    Instructor: Barton Zwiebach
    License: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA
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  • @justindrew7401
    @justindrew7401 5 лет назад +143

    This guy is a genius teacher. As a teacher I can tell you this is the result of great intelligence, experience, and mastery of the subject.

    • @adrienrandall9483
      @adrienrandall9483 2 года назад +4

      i realize I'm kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to stream new series online?

    • @jimhalpert9898
      @jimhalpert9898 2 года назад

      yes I do

  • @joesmith8288
    @joesmith8288 3 года назад +13

    I like how much time he spends on clarifying the superposition principle and measurement.

  • @thisisFaye1
    @thisisFaye1 4 года назад +81

    he got a hair cut

    • @MrDroenix
      @MrDroenix 3 года назад +5

      Haha that was my first thought too

    • @endogenic6913
      @endogenic6913 3 года назад

      @@MrDroenix same

    • @ChrisShawUK
      @ChrisShawUK Год назад

      :) my first observation too

    • @ldanielfch
      @ldanielfch Год назад

      Yes

    • @eightysevenf
      @eightysevenf 10 месяцев назад +1

      Lolol thanks i was like.. something’s different i’m confused 😅

  • @nst1058
    @nst1058 3 года назад +8

    Awesome mathod of explaining the theory, respect from India🙏

  • @drdd333
    @drdd333 Месяц назад +1

    I thoroughly enjoy this gentle teacher. Brilliant.

  • @brainstormingsharing1309
    @brainstormingsharing1309 3 года назад +4

    Absolutely well done and definitely keep it up!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @andressalvadorsartarelli6393
    @andressalvadorsartarelli6393 2 года назад +1

    Muy buen docente. Explica con mucha claridad

  • @sayedahmed7465
    @sayedahmed7465 3 года назад +6

    Excellent way of teaching , absolutely fascinating !

  • @tangye8243
    @tangye8243 6 лет назад +1

    Mind-blowing!

  • @mona82
    @mona82 6 лет назад +4

    Thanks MIT

  • @georgesbegon4252
    @georgesbegon4252 3 года назад

    Données claires excellent professeur l écriture est très lisible ce qui est déjà révélateur le tableau est bien filmé quant à la validité des théories je reste très modeste pour ma part vu que l on a constaté tant de remise en question depuis Newton ..

  • @nimeshdwivedidwivedi1530
    @nimeshdwivedidwivedi1530 Год назад +1

    Wonderful session sir proper understand thats superposition sir

  • @zack_120
    @zack_120 6 месяцев назад +1

    These Superposition lectures did not explain the mechanism how a particle can be in both positions at the same time but only talked about what it is which is already known. It looks really weird, even hard to teach by experts. By comparison, the entanglement topic is taught clearer in a simple but convincing eq.

  • @p.s.design4338
    @p.s.design4338 7 лет назад +5

    Really great lectures.

  • @ryanrizzo3866
    @ryanrizzo3866 7 лет назад +3

    Excellent Lectures! Very helpful.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 3 года назад +1

    how did he resolve Einstein's paradox (e.g. how do we know if half were down already before the measurement rather than this superposition)?

  • @Mizraab2912
    @Mizraab2912 4 года назад

    But you have to look in another direction-Such a nice line to convey that perspective matters

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад +2

    4:41 to 4:57 in previous lecture L1.4 you have said that after polarization state becomes either or . There is no significance of cosAlpha or sinAlpha coefficient which is in front of them. So after polarization there should be no or One real parameter which is no. "1".
    Another Query_If there is one parameter then before polarization there should be three real parameter (one from real no 1 and two from complex no beta by alpha)

  • @theconstellation__
    @theconstellation__ 3 года назад

    If a photon is polarized in x direction by a polariser ,then what will happen when it passes through another identical polariser, as on Photon level it's not predictable, so do all the photons come out or ,they again come out in some probability

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад

    2:04 to 2:09 _ how will we get state minus A or iota A by superposition of A by itself. Since to get state 2 A is obvious by superimpose one A by another A.

  • @mareksozolins6347
    @mareksozolins6347 4 года назад

    Good old days at school i have getting sleep to listen to teacher -)

  • @akindeleoduwole1094
    @akindeleoduwole1094 6 лет назад +3

    Quite enlightening and helpful. Thanks. From Nigeria

  • @joseluisrodriguez2605
    @joseluisrodriguez2605 11 месяцев назад

    Exelente mi profe saludos desde la fiee lima peru especialidad ing electronica de potencia

  • @elsayed111
    @elsayed111 4 года назад

    Dear Sir, in case of super position u tl about polaristion in two diretion where in the previous lec. u told that only one direction is the valid and other vanished, THEN HOW COULD YOY TAL ABOUTH SUPERPOSITION OF BOTH OF THEM THANS

  • @SaeKan-x1h
    @SaeKan-x1h 8 дней назад

    This is a great lecture. However, I didn't understand the last explanations.
    Why we get all the particles spinning up in x-direction after measurment in a superposition?
    I'm sorry if I misunderstanding it.

  • @saskiavanhoutert6081
    @saskiavanhoutert6081 10 месяцев назад

    Very clear explanation, thank you very much Einstein was right, your explanation also, kind regards,
    Saskia van Houtert engineer/office-manager graduaded at the Graphic Lyceum, the Netherlands 29 june 1995 as a Graphic Technical Engineer. And graduaded at 19 july 1997 as a office-manager. at the Economical Administration Education ECABO-BOVA at Breda. So I have 2 profession possibilities; engineer/office-manager.

  • @surendrakverma555
    @surendrakverma555 2 года назад

    Very good 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад +1

    1:47 to 1:52 Why is it physical assumption? Because i think it seems obvious.

  • @jessstuart7495
    @jessstuart7495 Год назад

    My gut tells me using the two measured outcome states (spin-up and spin-down) to describe the particle's state before measurement (superposition) might not be the best approach.

  • @jorfoas
    @jorfoas Год назад

    I would really appreciate if the teacher labeled axes properly. For example, in minute 7:23, I am assuming that both X and Y axis represent electric fields, but that should be clarified.

  • @PrivateSi
    @PrivateSi 4 года назад

    I don't get it, he starts by saying two photons in superposition don't add or substract from each other, yet we know they constructively or destructively interfere.

  • @furkanunsal5814
    @furkanunsal5814 4 года назад

    11:07 Up allons y and down allons y

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад

    8:04 why have you given thanks at this time?

  • @joedarkmatter5051
    @joedarkmatter5051 3 года назад +2

    1:05 After he said "strange" , i see Dr Strange in him. Or is it just me =)

  • @magnfiyerlmoro3301
    @magnfiyerlmoro3301 6 лет назад +10

    i dont understand when he says, for 2 complex parameters there is 4 real parameters, thanks for explaining!!

    • @fcwong1
      @fcwong1 5 лет назад +15

      alpha = a + bi beta = c + di. a, b, c, and d are the 4 real parameters.

    • @eshankvaishnavi3821
      @eshankvaishnavi3821 4 года назад

      fcwong1 thanks

  • @mishalkiranreddy1214
    @mishalkiranreddy1214 3 года назад

    Sir what exactly a state is?

  • @sauravmittal538
    @sauravmittal538 6 лет назад

    how cn i build a new quantum state by superposition of spin of two electrons

  • @nickknight5373
    @nickknight5373 4 года назад

    He seems to be talking at a similar tempo whatever the playback speed.

  • @ryanjbuchanan
    @ryanjbuchanan Год назад

    How beautiful the internet is. If only Einstein and Newton had such tech.

  • @haiekmohammed6548
    @haiekmohammed6548 7 лет назад +1

    Thankx professor from morroco

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 7 лет назад

    Does he ever explain what "physical equivalence" really means? Is the rescaling valid due to quantum probability measures adding to one?

    • @vwcanter
      @vwcanter 4 года назад +1

      Yeah, it’s just a consequence of the same linearity he spoke of. If A and B are solutions, then A+ B is a solution. Therefore, A + A is also a solution. So 2A or 3A or iA or -A are also solutions.
      I think you could think of it as a result of probabilities adding to one, because he describes it as “normalization”. But someone else can perhaps explain that better.

    • @guitarttimman
      @guitarttimman 11 месяцев назад

      Look up schrodinger's equation.

  • @afifakimih8823
    @afifakimih8823 3 года назад

    He is just not a good Professor,and an excellent teacher,he is one of the leading string theorist as well !!

    • @samybouzida7956
      @samybouzida7956 2 года назад

      Your comment could be misunderstood. Let me help you out here: ´´He is not just a good Professor, and an excellent teacher, he is also one of the leading string theorist as well !!``
      The location of the word ´´just´´ in your sentence could lead to understand that you actually didn´t like the guy. We all know what you meant. Hope you won´t find me snob or anything. I 100% agree with you, this guy is beyond brilliant.

    • @bobbwc7011
      @bobbwc7011 2 года назад

      But string "theory" is scientific trash and should have been abandoned decades ago.

  • @themasstermwahahahah
    @themasstermwahahahah 4 года назад

    he looks a lot more whimsical with the longer hair

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 7 лет назад +2

    Also I wasnt super convinced about his argument of how we really know they are in a superposition rather than apriori being 50-50 split, does he explain it better latter or did someone catch that better than me?

    • @mohamedakrout9742
      @mohamedakrout9742 6 лет назад +1

      This lecture ruclips.net/video/lZ3bPUKo5zc/видео.html of the same course (taught during another semester) explains exactly how and more importantly why there should be a superposition.

  • @stormtrooper9404
    @stormtrooper9404 4 года назад

    May someone explain what is IA> ?
    And how possibly IA> ~ 2IA> ~ -IA> ~ iIA>
    How can one "state" be equal to that same state x2?

    • @compilationsmania451
      @compilationsmania451 4 года назад +5

      1) i is a complex number equal to square root of -1. The teacher explains that in the previous lectures. You should start from there if you haven't seen them.
      2) In a superposition equation, the states refer to the possible results and their coefficients squared are proportional to the probability of getting that state. So, the coefficient just refers to the probability, not an actual physical quantity. So, if you have a single possible state, then it doesn't matter what coefficient you add in front of it, physically it doesn't make a difference. To give you an example, if you take a bag with any number of red balls in it, if you choose any random ball from the bag, the probability of that ball being red is 1 irrespective of how many balls are in the bag, because there are only red balls in the bag.

  • @rai2134
    @rai2134 2 года назад

    How can we design a superposition state of spin with probabilitis of 40% and 60%?

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад

    Explain 3:19 to 3:29

  • @abdurrauf7525
    @abdurrauf7525 Год назад

    Respected Sir, which books you used for these letters?

    • @jessstuart7495
      @jessstuart7495 Год назад +1

      Zwiebach recently published a textbook _Mastering Quantum Mechanics: Essentials, Theory and Applications_ , MIT Press, 2022

    • @abdurrauf7525
      @abdurrauf7525 Год назад

      @@jessstuart7495 thanks

  • @redberries8039
    @redberries8039 3 года назад

    6:50 beta/alpha .... '2 real parameters' or gamma 'one complex parameter' ...How are we getting the complex from a division of the reals?
    ...and I thought the alpha beta has to be complex anyhow?

  • @silberlinie
    @silberlinie 4 года назад

    0:49 best. How he stands there, how the
    many contradictions expressed by others
    to what has been said here in his thoughts
    rush past. And he then stomping his foot
    inwardly and he defiantly arrives at an SO.

  • @andreeapopa9635
    @andreeapopa9635 4 года назад +1

    can he teach our online classes? he's a much better teacher than ours LOL. you should always focus on the explanation instead of reading your PDF @my prof. *cough cough*

  • @phononify
    @phononify 6 лет назад +1

    Would the argument hold also for the Hydrogen atom (assuming a nuclear spin of zero): Would the state of the bound electron would be also N*(|up>+|down>), or is the ensemble of that H atoms a mixture of up and down electron spin variants ? :) How could somebody distinguish these two cases experimentally ? Could you ? Thanks for your opinions.

    • @cakeathon9983
      @cakeathon9983 6 лет назад

      I'm not sure what you mean by "N*(|up>+|down>)", the electron of each atom will have spin up or down with 50% probability. The experiments for spin are done on the 47th electron of silver atoms, the same thing should apply for all atoms. That being said, I don't think it can be done experimentally, it is just assumed that what is true for silver atoms is true for all atoms. The problem is that orbitals cause an angular momentum which dwarfs the angular momentum of electron spin, so you need large atoms for which the angular momentum due to orbitals cancels itself out enough to detect electron spin.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 3 года назад

    why does scale affect the physics?

    • @anonymous.youtuber
      @anonymous.youtuber 3 года назад

      When you do an experiment in classical physics you act on trillions and trillions of atoms at the same time and you only measure some average result that is the sum of many individual results. The atoms don’t scale, there are just many of trillions of them. You can’t grow an atom the size of a football and experiment on it.

  • @timmy18135
    @timmy18135 4 года назад

    11:10

  • @mp3lwgm
    @mp3lwgm 3 года назад

    The title is misleading. You do not discuss the spin states of the photon. Instead you Segway from the polarization of the photon to the spin states of the electron; awkward !

  • @jamesfullwood7788
    @jamesfullwood7788 4 года назад +7

    It's amazing how long a physicist can go on talking about something without even defining it (i.e., the wave function). If I was one of the students in the class I'd be like "Ok great, but what IS |A> ?"

    • @flygonfiasco9751
      @flygonfiasco9751 4 года назад +2

      This is a continuation of other lectures, not the first day of class.

    • @jamesfullwood7788
      @jamesfullwood7788 4 года назад +1

      @@flygonfiasco9751 I watched all the lectures leading up to this one....

    • @flygonfiasco9751
      @flygonfiasco9751 4 года назад +1

      James Fullwood Rewatch L1.4. In the latter part of the video, he goes into depth about Dirac notation describing quantum states using a photon as an example.

    • @jamesfullwood7788
      @jamesfullwood7788 4 года назад +1

      @@flygonfiasco9751 He still doesn't give a precise definition of the wave function. In mathematics, a function is a relation between two sets, one called the domain (the set of inputs)and the second called the codomain (the set of outputs). It's obvious that the codomain of the wave function is the complex numbers, but he never defines the domain.

    • @m.s.6449
      @m.s.6449 4 года назад +1

      Defining something before you know anything about it is impossible. First you learn of the existence of some new object, investigate its properties and only then, based on acquired knowledge, you can invent a definition for it.

  • @elhaditalbi346
    @elhaditalbi346 Год назад

    🌎

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад +1

    4:04 meaning of QM state

  • @scimad
    @scimad 2 года назад

    1.25x

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  • @bustercam199
    @bustercam199 Месяц назад

    No, this is incorrect.

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 4 года назад

    9:27 Explain

  • @davidwilkie9551
    @davidwilkie9551 4 года назад

    Spin, the concept, is a particular identification of probability positioning states in the context interpreted Superspin Modulation, the Conception of the infinitesimal sync-timing, of zero difference synchronicity universally distributed by the mechanism suggested by Wheeler and Feynman applying to the "One Electron Theory", an infinite-closed loop equivalent to the meaning of a Black Hole Singularity Conception of inflation-collapse singularity = Eternity-now +/-.., the actual circumstances of time duration timing, QM-TIMESPACE. (Requires a pictorial observation technique/imagination)
    If QM-TIMESPACE e-Pi-i in-form-ation of Time Timing is a Holographic brane, an objective of resonance imaging that "floats on nothing" (Avagadro's? No, Archimedes principle is the same positioning here-now forever Principle as Superposition-Exclusion holographic image projection drawing. Multi-phase reciprocal-resonance-> "loop" between micro-macro vanishing point

    • @bobbwc7011
      @bobbwc7011 2 года назад

      You need to stop taking drugs. Your comment is insane rubbish.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 3 года назад

    does he depend what physically equivalent means?

  • @elosant2061
    @elosant2061 11 месяцев назад

    when he says "superimpose" doesn't he mean "superpose"?

  • @ken91656
    @ken91656 6 месяцев назад

    It looks like a circular argument to me.

  • @jpzhang8290
    @jpzhang8290 5 лет назад

    Laudau-style teaching. I like it.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 7 месяцев назад

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ajaymishra7212
    @ajaymishra7212 4 года назад

    Utter nonsense!

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 4 года назад +1

    What a terrible professor.

  • @glenmenas9424
    @glenmenas9424 Месяц назад

    Describing spin up or down along the z axis is so far from what is actually happening. You cannot describe the wave two dimensionally and then describe spin on a third dimensional axis, especially if we're talking about photons because of how the electric field interacts with the magnetic field in a light wave. If you're going to describe the wave function of the nature of light and photons specifically, you must start by describing the perpendicular electric and magnetic fields in three dimensions instead of two, which I have seen no one do ever. Stop thinking in terms of sign waves!

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 7 месяцев назад

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 7 месяцев назад

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 7 месяцев назад

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.