I believe with the TD that came into effect at 2019 USGP (restrictions on fuel flow), Ferrari’s gains with their Power Unit subsided for rest of the season. Not to mention they had to start all over again and we saw the impact of that on SF1000 during 2020 season.
Technical Directives suck. They pretty much kill the sport if someone finds a loophole and prevents creativity to prosper. By the way, I don't think 2019 Ferrari engine was nerfed by technical directive. It was more like they got caught cheating and the details became a secret.
@@SB3_01 Well, I'm all for preventing some kinds of creativity. For instance, Toyota finding a way to jam more air than allowed in tha car in the 90s in WRC is not a real innovation while in the road you can just have a bigger hole instead of concealed holes. Restricting teams from overusing fuel is the same. In a ruleless car you would not have to fake the fuel consumption readings. There was not a proper innovation, just rule bending.
@@dhruvsinghpal8737not exactly. Difference is Mercedes developed DAS with the FIA in contact about its legality. The FIA themselves allowed for it in 2020, but banned it in 2021. On the other hand, Ferrari developed their fuel flow trick without the FIA knowing
It was very clearly illegal, the fia swept the entire thing under the rug and said ferrari had "come to an agreement" and after that their engine got alot worse
It’s believed they need to have downforce to stall the diffuser, since Mexico is low downforce track it will be probably difficult to reach those top speeds
Monza and spa are low altitude and the redbull is a low drag car that's why it's fastest there but in Mexico the drag penalty is alot lower so redbull might not be as dominant in terms of straight line speed because this track helps the draggier cars like Ferrari and Merc
People saying that the v10 engines would match the top speed, I don't think so. They are naturally aspirated engines, which aren't as powerful as turbo engines at a high altitude track like mexico. So I think this record might stay for a few years or so.
We are already @351.7 again. First year of new rules. Pretty sure they get closer to 360+ over the next years if they don't change the rules heavily against that.
Considering those Venturi tunnels are basically spec or close to it, the downforce gain from them won't be enough to counteract the insane weight of the current chassis. Not to mention the fact that teams have been trying to claw back downforce any way they can because of that development, so drag will likely be higher than you're suggesting.
@@ALPHABYTE64 idk if you watched FP1 today, but they reached over 340 without tow and not in qualifying trim, so I think we will see over 350 in quali with tow
People are saying this engine is illegal, it was a loophole like ferrari and redbull with planks this year or brawn with blown diffuser. They had TD to minimise or stop, else they would have told them to remove or revamp the whole thing like merc wing this year.
@@mursie The fia never said it was illegal though. Nothing was ever proven. At best you can say it they were doing "something" Where that falls on the legality scale is impossible to say without knowing what that something is.
Also: We won't see that less overtakes anymore You can choose between a little bit faster and no overtakes (lame races) and a bit slower and a good race
I'm unsure how 2022-spec engines would necessarily be weaker unless this reference concerns E10 biofuel that debuted last season, as nothing changed on the engine front for this season.
They have lost some power with the new fuel, but not that much for it to have difference of 30km/h on the topend. The main reason is just the heavier and bigger cars which are draggier.
@@ihateeveryoneofyou My understanding is that, once qualifying begins, you can't mess with the engine modes from then on. You can't go thermonuclear in quali and then turn it down to a sane level for the race - you must run the same engine map in the race as in qualifying.
People seem to forget the illegal 2019 car as one of lewis' opponents. Every arguement against him starts with "best car, no competition etc" yet i feel like ferrari of 2022 did not challenge Max any more than the 2019 car challenged lewis. Both rocketships, both fell off towards the end like... well ferrari and both were good on one lap pace but always lacking race pace. The ferrari formula hasnt actually changed lol. 2018 was similar, except ferrari actually had race pace before they fell off once again
additional weight doesn´t affect top speed and the engine power is the same if not higher. 2022/2023 cars reach higher speeds due to ground effect being much less draggy
The engine at peak isn’t weaker from 2024 onwards. Plus cars are meant to become lighter as well with new chassis changes. At peak, the new engines have 200+ more BHP than the current engines. This will not be the last time, I promise.
should not it be the other way around? 2022 car wings are simpler and ground effect has less impact on drag, 2022 engines are not weaker as well, leclerc and verstappen reached 342 km/h at monza in qualifying
2022 engines do produce less power than their 2021 counterparts. Due to the introduction of E10 fuel this year. Estimates seem to be from 5-10% reduction power this year. This is made up by the reduction is drag in this set of aero rules so you won’t notice it too much in top speed but it is noticeable is accel.
Yes they are heavier and less powerful, but downforce doesn't really matter at all, does it? Top speed is about drag. I mean they haven't been faster on straights troughout this season compared to earlier, but isn't this pretty much the first long straight without a high speed corner before it? So if the cars are indeed less draggy than before maybe they could reach this speed? We'll have to see, I guess.
@@ArjunUK55555 Depends on the aerodynamic efficiency, doesn't it? For example if Formula 1 cars would use fans to suck them on the ground they would most likely have more downforce and lower drag at the same time compared to now or even last year.
It's why I believe when people say they don't like Mercedes, they actually mean "I hate Lewis Hamilton". I think if Lewis didn't go to Mercedes, Mercedes wouldn't be as hated.
Also I wouldn't call the engine controversial, as it was clearly cheating. They reached an agreement with the FIA and then their engines were suddenly incapable of competing.
We don't know whether it was illegal or not as the fia didn't release any findings to the public. Even if they were exceeding the fuel flow limit, the fia and the teams were unable to prove it. It's basically as illegal as redbull's cost cap thing and merc's excess oil burning in 2017.
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The fact Sebastion was half a second faster in the first sector.
Well from next year we will Have sebastioff Vettel
@@kisadam7590 That was funny yet very sad
Illegal engine does wonders. No wonder he bottled it in the race and got destroyed by Leclerc despite being golden boy
SeFASTian*
@@AZBCDEE he beat leclerc this race + wouldve beaten him in quali without Bottas crash
I believe with the TD that came into effect at 2019 USGP (restrictions on fuel flow), Ferrari’s gains with their Power Unit subsided for rest of the season. Not to mention they had to start all over again and we saw the impact of that on SF1000 during 2020 season.
Technical Directives suck. They pretty much kill the sport if someone finds a loophole and prevents creativity to prosper. By the way, I don't think 2019 Ferrari engine was nerfed by technical directive. It was more like they got caught cheating and the details became a secret.
@@SB3_01 Well, I'm all for preventing some kinds of creativity. For instance, Toyota finding a way to jam more air than allowed in tha car in the 90s in WRC is not a real innovation while in the road you can just have a bigger hole instead of concealed holes. Restricting teams from overusing fuel is the same. In a ruleless car you would not have to fake the fuel consumption readings. There was not a proper innovation, just rule bending.
Exactly! They turned down the engine after Suzuka. This video is so wrong.
@@SB3_01 that loophole invention thing applies to Mercedes DAS system also.
@@dhruvsinghpal8737not exactly. Difference is Mercedes developed DAS with the FIA in contact about its legality. The FIA themselves allowed for it in 2020, but banned it in 2021. On the other hand, Ferrari developed their fuel flow trick without the FIA knowing
Man the Ferrari 2019 was fast
The engine as good but the car...
Wasn’t that engine illegal? Or did they change it by then?
@Ed Swann xd, it started beiing legal at begining of 2020 when it was crap
Easy to do with a illegal engine
@@moeez1211 yes it was illegal that why they were so slow in 2020 and 2021 mostly in straights
I will miss Seb but his 54 wins will live forever
(That 1 win was Canada 2019)
xd, canda 2019
Traumado xd
over 65 wins if you include the reliability issues
It is 54.5 actually
He could had that win in Canada 2019 had he did not get 5s penalty
@@luuduonghy659 did u not read the full thing?? originally he has 53 wins but he said 54 wins cuz canada 2019
I'd love to see the 2004 Williams-Bmw speed on this straight
or even better an F2004 on slicks
@@ahmedrahim2500 Slicks actually reduce top speed
@@Spyker8921 why should they
@@Spyker8921 why ??
@@assaultfnr Because they would cause more friction compared to the grooved.
Ferrari PU in this time was a monster. Bring back this engine 😎
illegal
@@ALPHABYTE64 have you ever heard grey zones?
@@ALPHABYTE64 Wasn't really illegal, it was a loophole, that's why they had to introduce a TD (new rule) to stop it from being legal
It was very clearly illegal, the fia swept the entire thing under the rug and said ferrari had "come to an agreement" and after that their engine got alot worse
@@egelechad It wasn’t a loophole. It was just so clever that the FIA couldn’t bust them on it, so they had to come to an agreement to get them to stop
Imagine this engine in sf-75
I luv this engine sound, especially the turbo whine at higher rpm.
this engine is in the F1-75, they just need to remove the fuel flow limiter
Yeah, where is it gone? 😒 2022 engines sound so dull, even RedBull doesn’t have this anti lag sound 😒😒
Your clips are the best.
i can see the red bull coming close to this speed, it already was a rocket in a straight in monza and spa
350 max
It’s believed they need to have downforce to stall the diffuser, since Mexico is low downforce track it will be probably difficult to reach those top speeds
I thought Mexico was high downforce, since the air is less dense?
Monza and spa are low altitude and the redbull is a low drag car that's why it's fastest there but in Mexico the drag penalty is alot lower so redbull might not be as dominant in terms of straight line speed because this track helps the draggier cars like Ferrari and Merc
@@reid1420 big wings can't produce that much downforce with this air pressure. So it's Monaco spec aero and monza levels of grip
The crazy part is that they are actually running high downforce too because of the low resistance
Yeah what if they put monza spec wing just for the 1st sector
@@sohampadalkar cars most probably will had spinning at T1...
with an high downforce set up too
but it was low down force anyway
All cars run high downforce in Mexico because the usable downforce is less than Monza thanks to the altitude
The jazz music is really nice
I love your videos and watch them whenever I see one (even an old one!). So much information so quick.
btw, "controversial" is how it is spelled :)
People saying that the v10 engines would match the top speed, I don't think so. They are naturally aspirated engines, which aren't as powerful as turbo engines at a high altitude track like mexico. So I think this record might stay for a few years or so.
In fact, turbo was originally invented specifically to solve the problem of low air density reducing engine power. It was a big problem in aviation.
Turbocharged 3.0L engines it is, then.
Kimi did a 366kmh when he is chasing Bottas on the same track way back 2018!
With Drs, I think he's talking about the sheer engine power of sf90. Just imagine this engine doing 360 without any tow. Just pure power
13000 RPM,unusual for hybrid
They can rev higher than that but fuel flow limits mean its pointless max power is at 10500rpm so they are geared to keep above that.
We are already @351.7 again. First year of new rules. Pretty sure they get closer to 360+ over the next years if they don't change the rules heavily against that.
I personally think they should allow the teams to have that amount of fuel flow
Imagine that 2019 Ferrari engine inside one of the lighter, smaller 2015-16 cars... 360 km/h would be easily outdone
I think because of the Venturi tunnels we'll see less drag and with tow 350+ should be achievable
340-345 max
Considering those Venturi tunnels are basically spec or close to it, the downforce gain from them won't be enough to counteract the insane weight of the current chassis. Not to mention the fact that teams have been trying to claw back downforce any way they can because of that development, so drag will likely be higher than you're suggesting.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 redbull concept has high downforce with low drag, i recken the red bull could hit 350
@@ALPHABYTE64 idk if you watched FP1 today, but they reached over 340 without tow and not in qualifying trim, so I think we will see over 350 in quali with tow
Already ~346-350 in FP3. They will hit 360(maybe more) in the race, depending on how good the tow is
my guess is that max speed in 2022 on this track will be 345-350 kph
Why?? Isn't the RB18 engine stronger than SF90??
@@emilekaram6094 maybe a bit, but different areo, weight and back in 2019 special engine modes for qualification were allowed
@@ALPHABYTE64 mmmm
@@ALPHABYTE64 and the e10 fuel
@@htnklouie yea
Jesus, now that's what I call full beans
People are saying this engine is illegal, it was a loophole like ferrari and redbull with planks this year or brawn with blown diffuser. They had TD to minimise or stop, else they would have told them to remove or revamp the whole thing like merc wing this year.
I believe rbr could reach very close to 360 and Ferrari 350+, PUs still over to 1000 hp on qualy and this year lower drag can be possible
probably this time with max and rb with their inexplicably fast car, we can have these speeds once more
This is 100 m/s. Insane.
Kimi Raikkonen México qualy 2018
GO VETTEL
Love this engine. Made toto and horner cry before every race about how fast ferrari were on the straights 😄
Yeah because it was illegal
@@mursie The fia never said it was illegal though. Nothing was ever proven. At best you can say it they were doing "something" Where that falls on the legality scale is impossible to say without knowing what that something is.
@@xflynskywlkr27 their 2020 season proof that they were punish in some way.
Also: We won't see that less overtakes anymore
You can choose between a little bit faster and no overtakes (lame races) and a bit slower and a good race
is okay bra
I'm unsure how 2022-spec engines would necessarily be weaker unless this reference concerns E10 biofuel that debuted last season, as nothing changed on the engine front for this season.
They are a decent amount weaker. E10 has cost them a lot of HP+ the fact that specific engine modes for quali are banned now.
They have lost some power with the new fuel, but not that much for it to have difference of 30km/h on the topend.
The main reason is just the heavier and bigger cars which are draggier.
@@Reaz399 Engine modes are still allowed for quali are they not? pretty sure it's just mid race changes that were banned
@@ihateeveryoneofyou My understanding is that, once qualifying begins, you can't mess with the engine modes from then on. You can't go thermonuclear in quali and then turn it down to a sane level for the race - you must run the same engine map in the race as in qualifying.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 Exactly.
Hey, just wanted to know when you write "controvertial" do you mean to write "controversial" ?
Yes. sorry that's a typo lol
And I assume "of cause" means "of course".
@@wombat4191 Damn, I must've been drunk while making this video
0:40 The sound of W12 in Brazil
Hum… in Baku 2023 one of Haas reached 357 km/h with DRS + tow. Curious what speed 2023 cars reach in Mexico and Monza
Imagine this engine on the W11 jezz that would be the best car ever
People hype the W11 like really this car was the fastest car we've ever seen on straights 🤷🏽♂️
No one ever said it was the fastest on straights 🤦♂️ its the fastest around the circuit in fast and slow corners, learn to pay attention
@@MrBarniculusBaboonicalshire voetsek
Its true. Top speed 349-350 kph for Max in Q3
People seem to forget the illegal 2019 car as one of lewis' opponents.
Every arguement against him starts with "best car, no competition etc" yet i feel like ferrari of 2022 did not challenge Max any more than the 2019 car challenged lewis.
Both rocketships, both fell off towards the end like... well ferrari and both were good on one lap pace but always lacking race pace.
The ferrari formula hasnt actually changed lol. 2018 was similar, except ferrari actually had race pace before they fell off once again
additional weight doesn´t affect top speed and the engine power is the same if not higher. 2022/2023 cars reach higher speeds due to ground effect being much less draggy
The alpine will offer something interesting
362 in the race this year
Surely the regs will adjust to make the cats a bit faster eventually
Imagine if he had a tow he probably would’ve reached 370
nah
Air density is already very low so a tow won't be that effective
@@koen09871 tow is effective at top speed, doesn't matter much what that top speed is
kimi did 366
ruclips.net/video/7tysdXmwX-o/видео.html
pretty sure we will eventually, because progress
i have a feeling that car of verstappen this 2023 can hit 360KPH in mexico
The engine at peak isn’t weaker from 2024 onwards. Plus cars are meant to become lighter as well with new chassis changes. At peak, the new engines have 200+ more BHP than the current engines. This will not be the last time, I promise.
Not correct still
The 2026 engines will be worse than the current ones due to the reduced fuel flow limit and more spec parts
ahaha i see you removed the (probably) after the race weekend
Albon did 355+ during the race.
"Unless of cause another controversal engine comes up"
Red Bull: HELLO
Kimi 2018 366 kph
should not it be the other way around? 2022 car wings are simpler and ground effect has less impact on drag, 2022 engines are not weaker as well, leclerc and verstappen reached 342 km/h at monza in qualifying
2022 engines do produce less power than their 2021 counterparts. Due to the introduction of E10 fuel this year. Estimates seem to be from 5-10% reduction power this year. This is made up by the reduction is drag in this set of aero rules so you won’t notice it too much in top speed but it is noticeable is accel.
2022 engines are weaker because of E10 and the ICE-mode ban. And of cause much weaker than that 2019 Ferrari engine.
@@yelistener 352 km/h speed trap magnussen at qualifying, not that far
Perez in 2016 did 370 in the race
With less drag due to ground effect cars should reach 355 kph easily
nah, Max will casually hit 369 kph. which is nice
Look like the 2023 engine and aero is good enough to reach 360km/h
I Think the RB's Honda PU will be pretty close to 360kmph.
is this what ppl want? bigger and slower cars?
No , at least I don’t, I want the 2018-2021 f1 cars back not the current 2022 ones.
well the current cars are supposed to be less "draggy" as the downforce is generated on the floor not the wings, well see
If Ferrari had this "Legal engine" in 2018 during the 2nd half, Seb could have won the championship :')
True
Red Bull: 400KMH SHALL BE ACHIEVED
2023 engine with GP2 engines
where do you found this video?
F1tv pro.
"Unless of cause another controvertial engine comes up"
RedBull: Hold my beer
what kind of engine is that?
Imagine he had slipstream would have been 370km/h🔥
Yes they are heavier and less powerful, but downforce doesn't really matter at all, does it? Top speed is about drag. I mean they haven't been faster on straights troughout this season compared to earlier, but isn't this pretty much the first long straight without a high speed corner before it? So if the cars are indeed less draggy than before maybe they could reach this speed? We'll have to see, I guess.
Downforce and drag are proportional to each other. More Downforce means more drag, but not the other way around.
@@ArjunUK55555 Depends on the aerodynamic efficiency, doesn't it? For example if Formula 1 cars would use fans to suck them on the ground they would most likely have more downforce and lower drag at the same time compared to now or even last year.
Would’ve got pole had it not been for Bottas’ crash. He was flying around here
And people say Mercedes had no competition when red rocketships like this existed
Pure revisionism. Vettel challenged throughout the season in 2017/18 & this illegal engine in 2019 was no joke for most of the season
It's why I believe when people say they don't like Mercedes, they actually mean "I hate Lewis Hamilton". I think if Lewis didn't go to Mercedes, Mercedes wouldn't be as hated.
wait, the 2022 engines are weaker than the previous ones? why?
Will see RB18 🤔
and some say that Merc had 1 second per lap faster car
In Mexico 2023 , Haas reached 351 without an illegal engine 😎
Imagine that 2019 illegal Ferrari engine in the back of the W11. 😳
its controversial, not controvertial
Now watch 2023 redbull.... :D
Probably
maan to think sergio perez reached 370 KPH here with a tow ☠️
If they introduce nitro in this car it would happen.....
The 2022 cars are really quick in a straight linez especially the RB's so i think we'll see them hitting 360km/h
maybe, but not as fast as the SF90
Maybe 350’s I doubt 360
They’ve been faster in practice already
Why not?
Sebastian Vettel --> 360 km/h
Charles Leclerc --> 359 km/h
2019 Ferrari engine moment be like
but dosent weight have no impact on top speed?, i guess maybe acceleration is a factor
Also I wouldn't call the engine controversial, as it was clearly cheating. They reached an agreement with the FIA and then their engines were suddenly incapable of competing.
We don't know whether it was illegal or not as the fia didn't release any findings to the public. Even if they were exceeding the fuel flow limit, the fia and the teams were unable to prove it. It's basically as illegal as redbull's cost cap thing and merc's excess oil burning in 2017.
@@prajwalkpbhat8998 So... just flat-out illlegal.
Why F1 cars achieve a bigger top speed at mexico?
the fia is killing de f1
true
Yeah, we won’t. I don’t mind though
just inject oil in the intercooler
wait.. why did i come to the comments?
oh yeah, the downshifting at t1 sounds like a scar from fortnite lol
imagine they use v10 engine in mexico
N/A engines are crap in altitude
yea, it would be slower
12900 RPM lol!!!
all this “grey zone” PU and they still lost constructors lol
Carlos sainz just did 365kmh in the practise and qualifying will be even quick so guess not 🤷♂️
And only burns 40 mpg. Of oil.
300kph before DRS lol
#OnThisDay Vettel got his 4th championship at Indian GP
Monza Qualy: 2019 349,7 km/h (perez), 2022 347,8 (latifi), not that much difference, 2022 have less drag due wheelcovers and ground effect
2022 cars are faster in a straight line, yes they have weaker engine but a lot less drag
"controversial"
They will get there by 2025