Just to be clear. Jacob Zuma was arrested for being in contempt of the court. What this guy is arguing here has nothing to do with him going to jail. He should have gone to the commission to discuss this there. When you are summoned by the courts, you go. If you don't, you are in contempt and a warrant of arrest is issued. Even for a traffic ticket. I know, I have had a few. What is this guy talking about?
My sentiments exactly...he as not appetizing at all!!!! The ppl zuma surround himself with!!!! He is going to lose all the time. JJ just at him for breakfast lunch and supper on that talk!!! Im happy we hv ppl like JJ Ntabane👏And JJ still had sympathy for the old man, he showed his humanity! Wow!👏
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 Well nobody will tell me not to watch it or watch it. I think I should continue watching it, so that I will see all black hypocrisy.
Erosion of his rights?? What about the rights of this country. Please don't call this Apartheid law! Those who have exploited funds need to pay back forbear the consequences. Those who close their eyes to the truth may themselves have something to hide. Now I await the Gupta sentencing! They were used to do what Zuma wanted. Think of where this country is now. With all the money going into the pockets of people who received a an exorbitant salary!!! It's our rights as tax payers to demand tax money is returned by exploiters.
Well done for putting Manyi in his Place. Never forget Zuma thought his buddy the corrupt Vincent Smith was going to be the commission leader. This spin doctor is a joke, remember his failed media attempt to cover for Zuma? Zuma could have avoided this very easily, his lawyers were clearly out of depth and playing activists.
This Mzwanele Manyi is busy with stomach politics. He can see that the ship has finally sunk. He is the emotional one not Dr JJ Tabane. I like how JJ showed him flames.
Manyi is crying and can't help himself...if Zondo went to any other lower court it would have served Zuma's strategy of delaying and wasting time. It was good of Zondo to just go to where there will be no room to play a hide and seek. Zuma beaten in his own game for the first time, I am certain he is shocked. MZWANDILE is clutching on straws. I have said it over the whole weekend that Zuma should have just sent his sizes to correctional services for prison uniform instead of all the twisting and turning he was doing.
You clearly don't know the law, YOU DON'T SENTENCE A PERSON FOR CONTEMPT YOU CHARGE HIM FIRST THEN YOU TAKE HIM THROUGH A TRIAL, SECONDLY YOU DON'T BREAK THE LAW TO DEAL WITH A PERSON, YOU FOLLOW THE LAW THE LAW, THAT IS WHY MOGOENGMOGOENG AND JUSTICE JAFTER SAID THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, accept the truth.
@@emmanuelmochemoche142 have you looked at all the facts, all the arguments, read the actual judgement with comprehension? I doubt it, i think youre just another foaming-at-the-mouth zuma keyboard warrior, here to spew nonsense spewed by his masters that continaully abuse you with their actions and utterances.
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 you can insult me as much you like, but the RSA law does not allow sentencing without trial, On what basis did chief justice and justice jafta say the rulling is unconstitutional?????????? THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, PERIOD. I am not talking about the contents of the judgment in talking about the law, the constitution is supreme not the judges.
Sorry, it is the Constitutional Court that made the order. You do not understand the law but it is clear. I believe Zuma could have had better legal advice throughout
Zuma has repeatedly said he wants his day in court to defend himself, but when he has a chance to state his case eg at Zondo commission, he runs away. We can’t believe anything Zuma says, it’s all lies, obfuscation and dodging.
Zuma never ran away from appearing to Zondo commission. He was ready to go to appear. But he felt that Raymond Zondo was not the suitable person to question him in the Commission because they had their personal issues. Zondo would be biased. But Raymond Zondo refused to recuse himself , why ? Why didnt he give the public benefit of the doubt to agree to recuse himself to see if Zuma wouldnt appear ? It was not about Raymond Zondo and his ego or status. It was about the public getting information from Zuma during the interrogation. Zondo was wrong and he would never be forgiven to have refused to recuse himself. Zuma's crime was to ask for Raymond Zondo to release himself as a Chair person.
We need more people like JJ Tabane who look at and analyze matters objectively. Sending a former president to prison, in his old age, is sad and not a proud moment. However, this shows that no one above the law of the land.
Zuma doesn't fear 15 months in jail for contempt. He fears being taken back to Zondo to have to answer embarrassing questions about his conduct, which will hurt him politically.
Some people do not understand why people are angry. 😳 Don't let your hatred mislead you. Injustice is the problem here... These judges will run to Exile when things get worse.
Sadly the sellout Ramaphosa is executing the orders of his colonial masters. Zuma is going to jail and the murderer D'Clerk is walking freely. I guess we don't value the lives of those Africans D'Clerk destroyed
Zuma is guilty of corruption, but I think he is pleading the 5th Amendment and refusing to incriminate himself at the commission. Legally aside whether he is guilty or not, the legal process wasn’t followed through.
What Mr Manyi does not understand is that, Contemp of Court is a default judgment, no trial is needed, because the individual who does not choose to appear in court, denies himself a trial and therefore chooses himself to be incarcerated. He keeps on saying Zuma has gone to jail without being tried, it was Zuma's own choice. And a Contempt of Court judgment is available to all courts, not only criminal courts.
Very good well said u have spoken well. These people should know their Law .There’s no trial in comtemp. Zuma is sentenced for not obeying the court order. That’s why he is inside please
Mzwanele is doing great job. JJ is really emotional he had no proper come back from the facts provided by Mr Manyi. There was no justice in this arrest.
I respect JJ . Well expressed and truth nailed. History is made. There is ALWAYS the first time. Certain thimgs are bound to happen for the first time. We had Democracy for the first at its inception but people talk about apartheid quite often to defend themselves. People who have to narture and protect our Democracy create visible loopholes without remorse.
The old man was afforded so many times to.appear to the Zondo Commision . I love what Malema said that wheater the commission was unfair or not that did not stop him to honour the invitation and raise his issues sharply and robust What stopped him to act as a leader Let him go and jailed ,he denied himself that fair process
Arg shame, let's cry, the poor old man who gave the country's resources to Guptas has been arrested. Our country will soon go back to over crowded classrooms as a normal situation. When money has disappeared.
We will never hear Zuma side at the Commission because of people like JJ and Zondo. Putting an old man in jail without trial. We can't celebrate that nonsense. What was so special with Zondo. If the work of the Commission was so important, why didn't he recuse himself. Unless his masters told him to be the only one. Shame on Zondo.
@@mfecanegukurahundi24 yi information esifunzwa yi media leyo...how many billions your president has already eaten bt the media & u u're not talking about?
It is very painful for the masses. I can understand why you would celebrate seeing a 79yr old man who did not kill anyone go to jail in the middle of a pandemic. Says a lot about you.
Neh, Zuma just taught he is a big man and above the law lik most other african leaders.. Blaming bad advise is no defense .. JJ is right, this way the only way zuma was goin to jail, as his strategy was to appeal and stall cases until he dies.. the only mistake his lawyer made was actually telling Zondo and treatening zondo that they will appeal forever, so zondo said, ok, let me go straight to the apex court then
Guys listening is art failing to listen you end up creating things that are not. If you listening to Mzwanele you wounding saying things that you are saying
Zuma is not scared of jail he is only scared to stand trial because he knows he is guilty... We can solve this easily just let him stand trial and stop making excuses
@@sonnyboyfrancenthwane5919 How many more time do you want people to ask him to come stand trial?because Zondo wrote over 20 letters begging Zuma to come stand trial
If that is the case why not stand the trial as quickly as possible so he can go to jail as soon as possible because at least he is not scared of going to jail
Who is Jimmy Manye?? He is a nobody! He is not trained in law to express the comments. He is talking absolute nonsense. Refer to the ConCourt Advocate. He was really excellent . Crisp , principled legal . JJ Thabane is being kind to Manye in his comments.
Then what you, as a person are you going to gain from Zuma arrest ? Is it going to pay your bills ? Why do you delights on other people's misery ? Would you say the same if Zuma was your own father ? Your attitude is so bad.
@@lindammakgoshimanamela4650 Our fathers didn't bleed a country dry and left people struggling to survive. He had no sympathy for the people he stole from so he doesn't deserve sympathy from anyone
Stop noting that Jacob Zuma is being jailed without trial, he has had a trial which HE choose NOT to attend. You are being incredibly dishonest. Jacob Zuma avoided his trail and thus got sent to prison. He created this situation himself.
Thank you! Not only is it dishonest, its irresponsible to twist facts into lies, and spread it in the media. Not arresting Zuma would've set a terrible precedent for any court house in the nation.
What is a trial according to you? Stop embarassing yourself. Just listen to submissions made by Mpofu and the amicus earlier today to understand these things.
But that does not mean he must be sentenced without a trial, judges was suppose to use the law to deal with him, not for judges to break the law to deal with him, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHARGED FOR CONTEMPT, NOT SENTENCED,
Nelson Mandela was sentenced to live imprisonment by the apartheid courts? Was that justice? Why did De Klerk open dialogue with him when what they did to him was constitutional? Zuma was a victim of his revolutionary arrogance, If 300 witnesses implicated him, why did NPA charge him and place him before a criminal court? if he chose to exercise his right to silence, The court would make its own inference in its deliberations. Zuma is a victim of Black justice based on its inability to mask their egos. He will be released sooner than later.
JJ!!! 💣💣💣 O e feditse kgang! It's actually just the gall for me. The gall of Zuma and his people thinking they can trample on democracy and get away with it. Mzwanele sir, tsa mo robala, tsela e sale telle!!!
Manyi must just remember that Zuma was given chance to make a representation he failed. He must stop calling Zuma president. He is not the president period
Spokesperson zuma is jailed for contempt of court...he should hv handed himself Sunday already...with no drama but chose to do this! Contempt of court bhuti!!!!
Jacob had a chance to defend himself on multiple occasions and chose not to do so, now he wants to come and say he is sentenced without trial. Thats Bull honestly.
Mr Zuma please go and testify- this could have been avoided. Maybe poor legal advise. I feel for him truly. (Although I know he would not ever feel sorry for an old white woman like me). May God help you.
Who believes that Mzwanele read all this books behind him? I think they are his kids books
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Those are probably the complete works of Lenin, Karl Marx and Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels . In other words, socialist drab. Manyi panicking because his source of money vanishing.
JJ Tabane is brilliant, I can listen to this guy for hours on end!
Indeed, the analysis made by #DrJJTabane slapped jimmy outta the park. In the AMs nogal!
#DokotelaJJMatters.
Just to be clear. Jacob Zuma was arrested for being in contempt of the court. What this guy is arguing here has nothing to do with him going to jail. He should have gone to the commission to discuss this there. When you are summoned by the courts, you go. If you don't, you are in contempt and a warrant of arrest is issued. Even for a traffic ticket. I know, I have had a few.
What is this guy talking about?
This guy has no points at all he is just engaging as if he is a high school debate where you can just flex with ur capacity of speaking English
This guy is a fool(manyi)
@@just-tonic9114 frt
Akhona....Manyi can do with you as his ally, he'll learn a from you.
Mara, why is he always saying “As it were”
We don’t need people like this Mzwanele guy, he must channel his energy somewhere else and stop defending corruption nonsense.
My sentiments exactly...he as not appetizing at all!!!! The ppl zuma surround himself with!!!! He is going to lose all the time. JJ just at him for breakfast lunch and supper on that talk!!! Im happy we hv ppl like JJ Ntabane👏And JJ still had sympathy for the old man, he showed his humanity! Wow!👏
Mzwalele when dealing with a former president the constitutional court can be a court of first instance. Be informed
WRESTLING,for starters,neh😀😀😀
Good 👍
Mr “As It Were” Mzwanele is a raving lunatic!
Wow JJ👏...you are on point! Spokesperson is accusing u of being emotional and hes the emotional one!!!
Let's call him princess Jimmy
This spokesperson needs an Oscar.
✊
J.J has said everything right and I do agree with him 100%
JJ nailed this guy. The dude he is politicizing this whole drama
eNCA have always politicing these for years, it's disgusting
@@buyanimhlongo2414 Fully agreed.
@@buyanimhlongo2414 if thats how you feel, then dont watch enca, simple.
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 Well nobody will tell me not to watch it or watch it. I think I should continue watching it, so that I will see all black hypocrisy.
JJ for president any day go JJ always watch your show🙏
Manyi is trying to dance circles around the issue. Well done to JJ for putting Manyi in his place.
Shame...emotional JJ !
As it were
JJ deserves a Bonus!😇
And #ShahanRamkissoon deserves that raize
Thuli modensela I love her a true personality
i used to love her too... until i realized she is used
Erosion of his rights?? What about the rights of this country. Please don't call this Apartheid law! Those who have exploited funds need to pay back forbear the consequences. Those who close their eyes to the truth may themselves have something to hide. Now I await the Gupta sentencing! They were used to do what Zuma wanted. Think of where this country is now. With all the money going into the pockets of people who received a an exorbitant salary!!! It's our rights as tax payers to demand tax money is returned by exploiters.
q
He could've avoided this ... Let's Respect the constitution folks God bless Africa
JJ.TABANE IS ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE HIM A BELLS!
Bottle stores are closed.....pity......
Well done for putting Manyi in his Place. Never forget Zuma thought his buddy the corrupt Vincent Smith was going to be the commission leader. This spin doctor is a joke, remember his failed media attempt to cover for Zuma? Zuma could have avoided this very easily, his lawyers were clearly out of depth and playing activists.
This Mzwanele Manyi is busy with stomach politics. He can see that the ship has finally sunk. He is the emotional one not Dr JJ Tabane. I like how JJ showed him flames.
He knows he could be next in Jail after all the deals he made with the Guptas. Ramaphosa is clearly draining the swamp
Zuma made it possible for this tabane person to be on tv. Is he aware? No
Manyi is crying and can't help himself...if Zondo went to any other lower court it would have served Zuma's strategy of delaying and wasting time. It was good of Zondo to just go to where there will be no room to play a hide and seek. Zuma beaten in his own game for the first time, I am certain he is shocked. MZWANDILE is clutching on straws. I have said it over the whole weekend that Zuma should have just sent his sizes to correctional services for prison uniform instead of all the twisting and turning he was doing.
I agree with u 🤞👏
well said, and totally correct.
You clearly don't know the law, YOU DON'T SENTENCE A PERSON FOR CONTEMPT YOU CHARGE HIM FIRST THEN YOU TAKE HIM THROUGH A TRIAL,
SECONDLY YOU DON'T BREAK THE LAW TO DEAL WITH A PERSON, YOU FOLLOW THE LAW THE LAW,
THAT IS WHY MOGOENGMOGOENG AND JUSTICE JAFTER SAID THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, accept the truth.
@@emmanuelmochemoche142 have you looked at all the facts, all the arguments, read the actual judgement with comprehension? I doubt it, i think youre just another foaming-at-the-mouth zuma keyboard warrior, here to spew nonsense spewed by his masters that continaully abuse you with their actions and utterances.
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 you can insult me as much you like, but the RSA law does not allow sentencing without trial, On what basis did chief justice and justice jafta say the rulling is unconstitutional?????????? THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, PERIOD. I am not talking about the contents of the judgment in talking about the law, the constitution is supreme not the judges.
Law abiding citizen my foot this guy is himself speaking rubbish who is he?
I love how JJ wasn't moved nor phased by the satire presented by Manyi
JJ for president.
They fought to loot the poor sham on the ANC go jj
ujimmy manyi must just rest! He is always defending bullshit!
Spin doctor without any spin, well done JJ... emotional but passionate about the subject ..... 👏👏👏😭😭🥳🤣🤣🤣
No one is above the law though - he refused his day in court in front of Zondo. Do not kid yourself
Commissions are not court of laws
Sorry, it is the Constitutional Court that made the order. You do not understand the law but it is clear. I believe Zuma could have had better legal advice throughout
NOW WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE LAW AND WE MUST STAY THERE LIVE BY THE LAW AND KEEP SA BETTER
That means All the Apartheid folks must follow in smoothly and find comfort in jail as well
JJ is very clear. Good work, i like it.
JJ for President
JJ Tabane is pure 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This Manyi is nonsense
Zuma has repeatedly said he wants his day in court to defend himself, but when he has a chance to state his case eg at Zondo commission, he runs away. We can’t believe anything Zuma says, it’s all lies, obfuscation and dodging.
Disgraceful argument. JJ well done on not laughing in this this persons face when he opens his mouth.
Well Said Ayesha.
Zuma never ran away from appearing to Zondo commission. He was ready to go to appear. But he felt that Raymond Zondo was not the suitable person to question him in the Commission because they had their personal issues. Zondo would be biased. But Raymond Zondo refused to recuse himself , why ? Why didnt he give the public benefit of the doubt to agree to recuse himself to see if Zuma wouldnt appear ? It was not about Raymond Zondo and his ego or status. It was about the public getting information from Zuma during the interrogation. Zondo was wrong and he would never be forgiven to have refused to recuse himself. Zuma's crime was to ask for Raymond Zondo to release himself as a Chair person.
Zondo us not a Cort of law it's a commission, and Zuma says in a Cort of kaw.
We need more people like JJ Tabane who look at and analyze matters objectively. Sending a former president to prison, in his old age, is sad and not a proud moment. However, this shows that no one above the law of the land.
Tabane is not objective, he is biased and take sides.
Old age or not he must go to jail, so in other words the jail is for younger pple big fat 👎 No.
Zuma doesn't fear 15 months in jail for contempt. He fears being taken back to Zondo to have to answer embarrassing questions about his conduct, which will hurt him politically.
True
Why he didn't comply to Zondo commission??? He didn't comply to law for years
How? 😳
He gave reasons why he didnt want to appear to the commission. Should we repeat to educate you.
I believe you asked the same question when Botha and de klerk refused to appear at the trc.
Some people do not understand why people are angry. 😳 Don't let your hatred mislead you. Injustice is the problem here... These judges will run to Exile when things get worse.
BEST DEBATE EVER. MANYI SEEMS TO BE CLUELESS EVEN ABOUT ZUMA CHARGES. JJ TABANE YOU WERE ON POINT
His beaten at his own game, thought Zondo will allow his delaying tactics which was strategy by Manyi and his lawyers
Zuma was playing checkers while Zondo was playing chess.
Sadly the sellout Ramaphosa is executing the orders of his colonial masters. Zuma is going to jail and the murderer D'Clerk is walking freely. I guess we don't value the lives of those Africans D'Clerk destroyed
And All these "better blacks/clever blacks" aren't seeing this for what it is.
"His strategy would've been to keep out of jail, forever!" Weird that he ended up tripping himself, life neh!
Woza JJ😂😂 "We've heard you"
Masterpiece!!!
Zuma foundation spokesman is playing mind games with his pontificating diatribe
He is arrogant like his leader
Zuma is guilty of corruption, but I think he is pleading the 5th Amendment and refusing to incriminate himself at the commission. Legally aside whether he is guilty or not, the legal process wasn’t followed through.
What kind of mind games , if i may ask??! Truth hurt !! ..its just simple facts ...which unfortunately pupil like you doesn't want to hear !!
Stole from his own people and kept them on the streets sentence him for life
JJ thank you for roasting this useless guy.
But Zuma refuses to come and give his side so that there can be a fair trial
what about De Klerk coz he did the same refusing to come to the truth commission.
Did the NPA charge Zuma? Was there a trial? Did he get a chance to appeal at a higher court? Should we not worry about this?
Was he invited same narrative which was provided state capture.
Koo's bekker did the same thing, why he was not compelled to go to zonda uzuma?
JJ has made Manyi to look stupid. Manyi is like Edward now.🤣🤣
Not quite as drunk, but at least as *not cleva
Manyi will think twice before speaking against JJ again. 😂
"Dead"😂
were is Jimmy today, also in hiding lik Atul? he has dissapeared.. and by the way, JJ didnt mak him look stupid, he is stupid as a fact
@@jabumalinga1943 I so dont believe that this guy was a leader of black management forum.
Manyi tried to spin the wheel and unfortunately the wheel did not spin🤣🤣🤣 JJ well done
😂😂🤣😅
JJ mopped the floor with Mzwanele... and it was incredible to watch🤣🤣
No he didn't.
Zuma will always be remembered as a thief.
We will always remember Botha and FW Deklerk and his friends will always be remembered as killers.
True.
Zuma must go to jail finished and klaar
@@buyanimhlongo2414 that is why it is ok to be corrupt?
@@feizalmoolla1946 I guess you're claiming killing people is owk.
Love you JJ
I have a lot of respect for JJ
Mr Tabane... Well said.
What Mr Manyi does not understand is that, Contemp of Court is a default judgment, no trial is needed, because the individual who does not choose to appear in court, denies himself a trial and therefore chooses himself to be incarcerated. He keeps on saying Zuma has gone to jail without being tried, it was Zuma's own choice. And a Contempt of Court judgment is available to all courts, not only criminal courts.
Exactly 💯
Very good well said u have spoken well. These people should know their Law .There’s no trial in comtemp. Zuma is sentenced for not obeying the court order. That’s why he is inside please
Haai, JJ ripped into Jimmy's strawman arguments nicely. Yoh!
No he didnt
He didn't
He did and very 100% nicely
Mzwanele is doing great job. JJ is really emotional he had no proper come back from the facts provided by Mr Manyi. There was no justice in this arrest.
He is reaping what he sowed to South Africans
You actually believe that, very sad.
I respect JJ . Well expressed and truth nailed. History is made. There is ALWAYS the first time. Certain thimgs are bound to happen for the first time. We had Democracy for the first at its inception but people talk about apartheid quite often to defend themselves. People who have to narture and protect our Democracy create visible loopholes without remorse.
No one is above the law
jj you was perfectly on the truth side💯👍👌
Highly emotional, when you give them facts, they get personal.
JJ MANYI YOU ARE THE VOICE OF REASON NOT THE SO CALLED PERSON FROM ZUMA'S PAYROLL.
Nice discussion JJ
This is good news indeed and that message that nobody is above the law.
The old man was afforded so many times to.appear to the Zondo Commision .
I love what Malema said that wheater the commission was unfair or not that did not stop him to honour the invitation and raise his issues sharply and robust
What stopped him to act as a leader
Let him go and jailed ,he denied himself that fair process
Malema has been doing as he pleases, so we are waiting for his arrest, Gathering people during covid.
Sesi please read 📚🙏. This is embarrassing
JJ Tabane killed he's whole argument🔥🔥
JJ this manyi guy speaks with emotion and the problem is that they are being brainwashed by zuma tactics and now they can't even see the truth
What is the truth?
These is is part of the people who benefited from Zuma's regime he can do anything to defend Zuma
Late viewing Jimmy is a MICKY mouse.....
Arg shame, let's cry, the poor old man who gave the country's resources to Guptas has been arrested. Our country will soon go back to over crowded classrooms as a normal situation. When money has disappeared.
We will never hear Zuma side at the Commission because of people like JJ and Zondo. Putting an old man in jail without trial. We can't celebrate that nonsense. What was so special with Zondo. If the work of the Commission was so important, why didn't he recuse himself. Unless his masters told him to be the only one. Shame on Zondo.
True that bro !!
I've never been this happy. Zuma was disrespecting the Nation.
Ask you president to remove lock down so you guys can drink.
@@buyanimhlongo2414 I do not drink nor smoke chief. So...
The Zuma foundation must be thinking all of us are stupid.
This manyi is talking rubbish he must be ashamed of himself, he think we are idiots
Zuma foundation telling the truth
@@siyabongasiya9099 How can you support Zuma? He stole Billions from black people? He must go to jail for 100 years.
@@mfecanegukurahundi24 yi information esifunzwa yi media leyo...how many billions your president has already eaten bt the media & u u're not talking about?
@@mfecanegukurahundi24 who told that rubbish 😲
They wanted a route to delay justice as usual.. Zondo was clever. Well done
Ha ha - just like Al Capone. Wonderful to see him in jail, let's see how long he stays there.
It is very painful for the masses. I can understand why you would celebrate seeing a 79yr old man who did not kill anyone go to jail in the middle of a pandemic. Says a lot about you.
The law was and is pushed to the limit. Great to see.
Zuma's legal team is to blame for this.
They gave the poor man some pretty bad advice.
Neh, Zuma just taught he is a big man and above the law lik most other african leaders.. Blaming bad advise is no defense .. JJ is right, this way the only way zuma was goin to jail, as his strategy was to appeal and stall cases until he dies.. the only mistake his lawyer made was actually telling Zondo and treatening zondo that they will appeal forever, so zondo said, ok, let me go straight to the apex court then
A lawyer is as good as his case.
@@pen4hire27 🤣🤣
Manyi is looking for excuses and excuses as far he even raise the apartheid card 🙄
Guys listening is art failing to listen you end up creating things that are not. If you listening to Mzwanele you wounding saying things that you are saying
Mzwanele Manyi is on point as and is clear.
Justice for SouthAfrica
Salute manyi my my brother God protect you and Zuma
How can you support Zuma? He stole Billions from black people? He must go to jail for 100 years.
Zuma is not scared of jail he is only scared to stand trial because he knows he is guilty...
We can solve this easily just let him stand trial and stop making excuses
Exactly!
let's give him trail and end this because regarding law steps to follow it is unlawfull to jailed him without trial process
@@sonnyboyfrancenthwane5919 How many more time do you want people to ask him to come stand trial?because Zondo wrote over 20 letters begging Zuma to come stand trial
If that is the case why not stand the trial as quickly as possible so he can go to jail as soon as possible because at least he is not scared of going to jail
Correct JJ
No Zuma was jailed without trial
Who is Jimmy Manye?? He is a nobody! He is not trained in law to express the comments. He is talking absolute nonsense. Refer to the ConCourt Advocate. He was really excellent . Crisp , principled legal . JJ Thabane is being kind to Manye in his comments.
He is a gupta stooge who got that tv channel ANN7 and that new age toilet paper given to him by guptas..
@@jabumalinga1943 And ATM party leader;spokesman of Zuma does it really make sense?
No arguments beyond the apex court. Let's now follow his wish of preparedness to go jail. Now it's time for prison wardens to render service!!
So can every accused choose your own Judge
Thumbs up 👍👍👍👍JJ you spot on👌👌👌👌👌Mzwanele is so rude in public sies
When will he serve for his guilt in all his other crimes? This is merely for contempt of court?
I am glad finally Mr Jacob Zuma is getting what he deserves
Then what you, as a person are you going to gain from Zuma arrest ? Is it going to pay your bills ? Why do you delights on other people's misery ? Would you say the same if Zuma was your own father ? Your attitude is so bad.
@@lindammakgoshimanamela4650 Our fathers didn't bleed a country dry and left people struggling to survive. He had no sympathy for the people he stole from so he doesn't deserve sympathy from anyone
yes
JJ well done 👏👏👏
This guy don't want to admit Zuma was given chance but talking it light.
Listen to his argument re sec 35 and sec 164 (4) and attack his content and don't be lazy thinker
J. J. is brilliant.
Well done Mr Manyi.
Stop noting that Jacob Zuma is being jailed without trial, he has had a trial which HE choose NOT to attend. You are being incredibly dishonest. Jacob Zuma avoided his trail and thus got sent to prison. He created this situation himself.
Thank you! Not only is it dishonest, its irresponsible to twist facts into lies, and spread it in the media. Not arresting Zuma would've set a terrible precedent for any court house in the nation.
When did he plead?
Trial neh? Who testified for the state? How did he plea? Did he cross witness?
Everyone is a lawyer now
What is a trial according to you? Stop embarassing yourself. Just listen to submissions made by Mpofu and the amicus earlier today to understand these things.
@@barrywhite5577 tell us because you are smart. Lebongang spelled it out but since you know tell us what a criminal trial is
JJ👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🤣🤣
no failure here , in fact justice is playing out for a change in South Africa.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
JJ brings back sense into the argument by being factual.
Mr Manyi I salute you you know what are you talking
zuma IS NOT A LAW ABIDING SITECEN HE THINK HE IS ABOVE THE LAW TILL NOW
But that does not mean he must be sentenced without a trial, judges was suppose to use the law to deal with him, not for judges to break the law to deal with him, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHARGED FOR CONTEMPT, NOT SENTENCED,
Nelson Mandela was sentenced to live imprisonment by the apartheid courts? Was that justice? Why did De Klerk open dialogue with him when what they did to him was constitutional? Zuma was a victim of his revolutionary arrogance,
If 300 witnesses implicated him, why did NPA charge him and place him before a criminal court? if he chose to exercise his right to silence, The court would make its own inference in its deliberations.
Zuma is a victim of Black justice based on its inability to mask their egos.
He will be released sooner than later.
JJ!!! 💣💣💣 O e feditse kgang! It's actually just the gall for me. The gall of Zuma and his people thinking they can trample on democracy and get away with it. Mzwanele sir, tsa mo robala, tsela e sale telle!!!
Jimmy is upset because he is recently unemployed.
Manyi must just remember that Zuma was given chance to make a representation he failed. He must stop calling Zuma president. He is not the president period
you cant be in contempt court and then expect a different outcome.
Spokesperson zuma is jailed for contempt of court...he should hv handed himself Sunday already...with no drama but chose to do this! Contempt of court bhuti!!!!
Jacob had a chance to defend himself on multiple occasions and chose not to do so, now he wants to come and say he is sentenced without trial. Thats Bull honestly.
Ironically Mzwanele was the one waffling here 😅
Mr Zuma please go and testify- this could have been avoided. Maybe poor legal advise. I feel for him truly. (Although I know he would not ever feel sorry for an old white woman like me). May God help you.
No Zuma was correct, hindsight is the best teacher 😅😅
Who believes that Mzwanele read all this books behind him? I think they are his kids books
Those are probably the complete works of Lenin, Karl Marx and Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels . In other words, socialist drab. Manyi panicking because his source of money vanishing.
who is mzwanele? i knew a Jimmy once
Cartoon books that
😂😂define law.abiding humantarian citi
The ONLY shame I have, is that at one time, I did vote for the anc. I am ashamed of myself for that.
Good point Mr Manyi