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I have owned every version of DXO from Optics Pro 1 to the present.) They are all inferior to Lightroom/Photoshop in every way but noise reduction, where it is now a tie. Handling of highlights and shadows with DXO's so called Selective Tone sliders is a non selective bad joke compared to Lightroom's Develop panel. Any experienced user of PL knows this, which is why DXO would like you to spend yet more money on FilmPack7 to get the workaround, luminosity masking. Now that Lightroom has AI noise reduction, there is no reason for me to blow any further cash on Photo Lab upgrades. Thanks again, Adobe! I'll spare everyone the lengthy laundry list of things you can do with LR/PS that you can't with PL.
@@TonyAndChelsea You've proven yourselves trustworthy over all the years of coaching those interested in photography. You two shouldn't have to explain your decision.
Bought PL7 a couple weeks ago, had no idea PL8 was about to come out. Was a little miffed and wanted to see how much the upgrade would be. $0 was my cost to upgrade to 8. No longer miffed, and very happy with DxO
I tried DxO and I did like it. I was able to get nearly the exact same final image as I was with LRC. The only reason I went back to LRC was for the work flow but I'm considering buying DxO 8 and getting used to the workflow in that program. This is mostly a moral choice for me at this point.
I looked on their website and it appears you have to pay to upgrade to each new version. So the initial price is $229for elite then each upgrade you will pay for probably $100 maybe? I am on Photography Lightroom plan $10/month. So my initial purchase breakeven is almost 2 years and then each upgrade every year would be like paying for my photography plan (which includes LR Classic, LR, Photoshop). Unless you are prepared to be stuck on the version you buy in 2 or 3 years it looks like DxO will cost more due to initial up front cost and ongoing upgrade fees. If I am wrong somewhere here somebody please correct me. I was hopeful until I saw the pricing and upgrade fees
@@teamvigod I see your point But how often would you really be updating? Other than the latest AI features, How much is Adobe really changed in the last 2 years?
@@dredigi0 I would update every year most likely. Will DxO always update old version to work on the latest Mac OS version and if not you must upgrade. Also there will probably be big moves in AI features for the next 5 to 10 years most won't want to miss out on.
@@teamvigod that is how Lightroom and all Photoshop products used to be receipt that it was way more than $100. You didn't have to pay for the new version if you didn't want it because unless you changed camera or operating system, your version of the software would work forever. You can't face everything for free and here you have to choose between owning something forever which might become restrictive or useless with age or, pay a monthly subscription.
@@Cucumiso Thinking about it now, a voice in my head speculates that Adobe was making catalogue label decisions so their Ai could easily monitor the image progression induced editing behavioirs. Just a wold speculation. That catalogue does contain versions of edits.
To me this is one of the worst things about DXO, not being able to download images off my memory card, organise the images downloaded into folders by date, automatically apply keywords, meta data, even presets at import is a massive flaw in the product. I would need to use another product alongside DXO. I want a one stop shop where I can do everything, DXO is too far away from this and has limited editing capabilities like no portrait masking, I can do everything in one place in LrC and only go to PS for occasional finishing, DXO would require me to manually edit every photo one at a time using PS or Affinity whilst I can apply portrait masks across 100's of photos in seconds in LrC
I use Lightroom on my android device and I hated the update when they did it. I prefer to having to import files. This makes easier to track how done you are with a batch of photos.
Moved away when Adobe was moving to subscription model and over to dxo years and years ago. Never felt limited, never missed Adobe at all. Love the "film pack" from them too.
@@bertnase9933 great point but does lightroom integrate with the apple or google photos library? Also you can't do any photomerging on the mobile apps anyway and in my experience dxo filmpack (included in optics pro version) spanks lightroom for professional looks
@@bertnase9933 I don't update every year and I only buy during Black Friday when they do like 50% off. Last time I bought was 4 years ago. They also offer reduced pricing for upgrades.
I don’t mind the sponsorship, since it’s Tony. I don’t think he would hawk junk. He’s getting paid to demonstrate software that is known to be high quality. I appreciated the video.
Yeah my thoughts EXACTLY! They have done so much for the community that they can put these videos in a separate section and we would still watch. But pretending it is not an ad is a bit much
Dear, Tony, I fully agree with you on every editing corrections, made with care and highly intelligent software developed by DxO! I do not have PS but only the Elements so now I will purchase this DxO Photolab version 8! A big THANKS to you for this excellent tutorial! Wishing you and your family every blessing! Cheers from Sweden!
Tony you said, "Don't want to mess with AI" as if it was AI features in Lightroom are a negative. Lack of AI selection tools in DXO is the main thing keeping me from switching. Lightroom helps me isolate areas of the photographs I want to edit. Select Sky, Subject, Objects then intersect with other selections like gradient filters. I'm sick of Adobe's monthly charges and cloud storage nonsense, so DXO is still really tempting even without AI, especially because they have an upgrade policy, so you don't have to pay the full price again, when a new version comes out.
While I don't like subscription either, at the end the "lifetime license" is not much better than a subscription, because if you want your latest cameras and lenses supported, you basically are forced to upgrade as well because DXO blocks new cameras working in older software. E.g. Nikon Z6 III is not supported in PL5 which was launched just 2 years ago and neither in PureRAW 1. Also for PL5 there is no discount when upgrading to PL8, you pay the full price, and again PL5 is only 2 years old. And if you upgrade PL every version there is only a theoretical difference to subscription, maybe peace of mind, but your purse will suffer the same way ... which should be no surprise as the development effort needs to be paid either way.
I actually like this video because u actually gave Adobe time to fix there problems and they still messed up, this video was posted at the correct time 💪🏿
A few years ago I had DxO for less than a year. Then I got a new camera (from Nikon D610 to Z6) and found out that I needed to buy the latest version to support the new camera's files (customer support told me this). Considering the more than $200 price tag ($200 for the initial version and $200 for the version upgrade) and having the software less than a year, I thought that was a pretty terrible deal. So hopefully they don't that anymore, but they aren't getting my business again.
Yeah I pay $10/month for Adobe Photography plan (LR, LR classic and photoshop). I'll always be behind in terms of out of pocket with DxO versus Adobe with DxO's pricing here. Up front I'm 2 years to breakeven and then any upgrades and I'm once again playing catchup for 2 years almost. I don't see how the no subscription fee is of any benefit vs Adobe here when the total costs for initial license and then upgrades down the road end up costing more
@@teamvigodif you don’t change your camera all the time you don’t have to buy a new product. That’s how the value of DXO is much better. Plus it’s less complicated to setup and use.
looking at its pricing few weeks back it was 230€ and 99€ for upgrade (so maybe 180$/70$ in US as you dont get hit with taxes as much), so its not full price for an upgrade anymore...
DXO obviously took note of the issue you raised and is not the case now, you can go and see the list of supported cameras against DXO version on their website. I think they go back 2 versions.
i do not understand these people when comparing prices : 🤔any decent photographer has Photoshop.... and Lightroom is included in the monthly price so : Lightroom cost nothing
Wow these comments are making me question how smart the viewers are because the first frame says “THIS VIDEO IA SPONSORED BY DX0”. Some people just want to argue online.
oh boy coincidentally I've been using DXO for the past week, and for the first time ..bro it's a GAME CHANGER and i guess i was just living under a rock all the time
I'm interested in the skin retouching results. In your experience, is it faster and more natural-looking than LR? I want to edit my portraits faster as I do all the work in my business, so I'm looking to speed up things so I can rest from time to time. Much thanks!
I also have to object to this video’s approach. “You just buy it, no monthly fees”… yeah, but it’s not a perpetual license, it’s a per-version one. So, when v9 comes out, there goes another $100, and, you guessed it, when v10 comes along, another $100. So I think the price comparison showing 10 years of LR subscriptions is really misleading.
And once you get a new camera or lens you are forced into the new version as DXO doesn't support new camera modules for their older software. Otherwise you would have the option to skip a version.
You don't have to upgrade each time. I didn't when I previously used Photoshop before it went to a subscription model. Plus, what I did buy I owned; it wouldn't suddenly stop function if I didn't by the next release.
@@sjones1017 Fair enough, as long as the OS still supports your version and/or the developers give support for older versions (which is probably not the case). I still think that projecting this to 10 years is a considerable stretch. Are you telling me that in 10 years you will be running v8 on whatever OS and cameras may change in the process? This is probably doable for the LR subscription.
Been using since DXO 3. Have always been pleased. I've heard that DXO 8 was out and improved. Haven't upgraded yet, but I will very soon. DXO has always been the company for me.
I became Adobe-free about a year ago, replacing LRC with PhotoLab 7 (now PL8) and Photoshop with Affinity Photo 2. Yes, work flow is different, but I think it's worth it.
I really liked C1 for Fujifilm, but I'm not buying the new version since support for Fujifilm was stopped. For adding Text and other quick work I bought PhotPad from NCH for little money but very good results and very easy to use. It's a best buy for me.
C1 is good , used it for years. But their buy model got horrible. Bad performance on Apple Silicon. I’m looking for an alternative now and dxo is one of them.
As someone who edits real estate every day, I still found myself going back to Lightroom because its built in HDR is just better unfortunately. Hopefully that changes.
Folks -- Tony is absolutely correct here. i've been a DXO user since 2005, but still have to drop back to PS for a few needs (e.g., adding text, or merging certain external images). But honestly, now i do that only once a year or less. For a former darkroom geek, it doesn't feel like a different workflow, whereas PS does with constructs like layers and their tool palettes. And their denoise and optical corrections are always the very best. -- gary ray
I have been using DXO Photolab 4 for the last couple of years and I am presently using a trial version of Photolab 8. Much easier to use and more powerful than Adobe applications. For one thing - unlike Adobe, there is no new naming convention/workflow imposed on the user every six months.
This seems like a good option for those who would try to avoid subscription models and over-reaching user agreements. For the long term, I worry about software companies that insist you pay for future upgrades. Maybe base price could include something like a modest number of version upgrades.
1. I know DxO is a great company but sponsored video kind of hurts the point of the video. 2. One of the things i use all the time on LrC is batch process... Can it do it? 3. AI is very impressive on LrC, i use (rarely) the removal tool and recently have discovered how revolutionising AI denoise is. AI denoise is like having a 10-year upgrade to your camera if not more.
2) Yes it can 3) DxO is supposed to have currently the best denoise on the market by far. Thats not just an advertisement, its basically what everyone comparing different editing software say.
Maybe the best PL8 review so far, concentrating on the deciding features. I made a personal raw editor comparison when upgrading from SilkyPix (which wasn’t too bad, by the way) and PhotoLab 2 was the clear winner. Best results in the quickest way. What I don’t like: Some of the essential features are upgrades and the more popular it becomes, the more expensive the updates get, now more than 100 €
I'm still using Adobe Lightroom 6, the last stand alone version. It makes me use my skills to go in and do things that new programs do automatically. AND I couldn't be more pleased with your recommendation, Tony. I've felt I could use a worthy upgrade for quite a few years now and refuse to get a subscription to the program I already paid for. (To Adobe's credit, the stand alone version does still work.) I'm sold. Looking forward to seeing what vintage lenses DxO supports. NOT to Adobe's credit at all, the lens profiles in Lightroom 6 are from 2015. If this is really better than Lightroom, lets see some more tutorials on some basic editing steps like your Lightroom videos. This is basically free for me with all the money I have not paid Adobe for subscriptions. (Take that Adobe.)
DxO can be good software, but never come to close to LR and PS.Adobe has revolutionized the use of AI in its softwares.Yes there are still some deficiencies,bugs,etc. but this is a development will never end.
Come on people, if Tony recommends this software is because he really thinks it's good, he would not compromise his reputation since we all know that he sells books written by him about software. Of course he tried to get a sponsorship from the company since he was going to recommend their software. We would have done the same thing.
I use Photolab 6 and I love it! Pretty sure I'll hold off upgrading again (skipped 7) since I am still able to do everything I need in 6 - this allows the monthly expense to go down even more! Note that DXO still supports 6 - I get updates (new lens / camera modules) regularly - I just don't get some of the new features. When a version pops up with something I must have, I'll upgrade then!
Just keep in mind that DXO only offers upgrade pricing on 2 versions back. If you wait for Version 9 you will have to pay full pop for it, but if you upgrade from 6 to 8 you'll still get upgrade pricing.
I switched to DxO PL 7 a few weeks ago and left Adobe. Now, I’m using DxO PL8, DxO NIK Collection, Luminar, and Affinity Photo, and it's absolutely fine. The workflow of Adobe LR/PS was a bit better, of course, but it’s necessary to teach Adobe a lesson.
I have been using DXO since ver 5 remember the pure raw features are also in DXO 3rd tab over it is great software except it will not let you rename files when you export them That is the only feature I wish it had.. It allows you to add a suffix to the file only.. the batch export is great. very good program!!
Love your videos Tony, been watching you and Chelsea for probably 8 years now. You guys are the best! You guys have said many times that you never take sponsorships from photography companies to keep your videos unbiased. While a DXO sponsorship isn't as crazy as Canon or Nikon would be, this does give me a littleeeee bitttt of hesitation. What would have been great is a direct comparison to LR so I can see if DXO accomplishes the same task that Adobe does for less money.
😀That was also my suggestion in your previous video. DXO builds distorting correction profile for every major lens manufacturer & then applies it to the photo automatically.
Thank you for showing a good alternative to Adobe. I enjoy hobby photography, but I couldn’t afford the subscription anymore. A one-time purchase makes photography accessible again.
@@jerryinsc I was using Lightroom, Photoshop, and Acrobat. It was $20 a month for the first two years, then it went to $60 per month at the same time as I had to curtail my photography, so I cancelled.
Hi, Tony! I’d love to see a tutorial on how to make the switch from both versions of LR and how to retain all the photos in huge catalogs (local and cloud).
>Missing: Tool to put different exposed foto’s together. You have a favorite? Can you make video on it? > like it very much: Use it since version 6; now using 8.
Have you even tried a current LR/ACR? probably not, because DxO is not even in the same league and it's IMHO incorrectly created lens profiles don't make it any better...
That's still 240 in two years. DxO is 229 one time. So in less than two years, it starts saving money. And it's not just about the money. It's also about Adobe's licensing that gives their A.I. the ability to use your photos without your permission. You have no privacy with Adobe. I'm also guessing that the $20 a month is what you would need to get the same features and functions as DxO.
I ditched Lightroom when they moved to subscription and happily moved to DXO. Much easier and more powerful. No need to upgrade ever until I buy a new camera or computer.
Adobe certainly has plenty of competition these days. There seems to be an alternative for most photographers, everything from DXO, Luminar and Affinity. At this stage Adobe is surviving on its history largely and people using it out of habit. Having been the heavyweight in the industry there are so many plugins and actions that many use within Adobe. In my experience the plugins often work with other software, the actions often don't. Once the third party developers start creating for the competition I think Adobe could be in real trouble.
I agree. And my Adobe sub ends next month so, after well over a decade, I am going to break the habit and find an alternative. It's a pain learning a new interface, but I am sick of playing the month sub.
That’s quite an advertisement you’ve made for this sponsor. Glad you disclosed that right up front. I just bought a year’s subscription to Capture One Pro as a LRC alternative, and it offers an incredible array of extremely “professional” I’d call them, perfectionist oriented adjustment tools, too. Of course, it’s also offered only as a subscription based business model. This looks like an interesting compromise I’m going to try as well. Question, where does it store all the adjustment data, given it leaves your RAW files wherever you put them yourself? It must create a database someplace.
Tried C1 and will try DXo, I just value the work flow and the color adjustments in LR. I’m sure I can get the same results in Dxo but who has time to figure this out while working and the customers want the same consistency. Maybe when I retire and do this as a hobby I’ll change it up.
There are many RAW developers and YES I have have used it from the first version BUT Lightroom has one huge advantage, the catalog. If DXO could import LR classic catalogs, and process Panorama images YES but not at the moment, I have always used DXO products because they are excellent but without LR catalog compatibility, it’s THE plugin to LR.
I haven't used the newest version, but the contrast stuff is way better on DXO but the color stuff (HSL and camera calibration) were not nearly as good, although the color film emulations on the Filmpack add on are super good. DXO absolutely wipes the floor with Adobe for black and white photos. If you do black and white, get DXO as well as the Filmpack add on and you'll be in B+W heaven.
Will try it. Wondering, if DxO PL 8 supports natively .afphoto files, that would make it perfect. I'm also curious, how fast it is on my M3 Mac 24 GB RAM - Sequoia already installed. Besides, I really love your fight against that subscription and spy model of Adobe.
My favorite is ON1 Photo Raw....excellent processing of RAW files, including browsing and tagging, local masks, AI based denoise and sharpening, pretty much anything lightroom or photoshop can do, ON1 Photo Raw does.
What kills this for me is that it is not available on iPad (as far as I can tell). My workflow involves a lot of sharing between devices for ‘on the go’ plus detailed adjustments with the Apple Pencil which I find so responsive.
Me and nearly all of my photography friends use Lightroom/Photoshop and most also use or have used DxO. Like others, I would have put more trust in the video if it were not sponsored by DxO. It not only undercuts the message, but digs into what I always thought is the respect you have earned over the years. I suspect the $20/month you quoted is not for the photography package, but for Illustrator too, which most of us do not need.
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I have owned every version of DXO from Optics Pro 1 to the present.) They are all inferior to Lightroom/Photoshop in every way but noise reduction, where it is now a tie. Handling of highlights and shadows with DXO's so called Selective Tone sliders is a non selective bad joke compared to Lightroom's Develop panel. Any experienced user of PL knows this, which is why DXO would like you to spend yet more money on FilmPack7 to get the workaround, luminosity masking. Now that Lightroom has AI noise reduction, there is no reason for me to blow any further cash on Photo Lab upgrades. Thanks again, Adobe!
I'll spare everyone the lengthy laundry list of things you can do with LR/PS that you can't with PL.
@@TonyAndChelsea You've proven yourselves trustworthy over all the years of coaching those interested in photography. You two shouldn't have to explain your decision.
Bought PL7 a couple weeks ago, had no idea PL8 was about to come out. Was a little miffed and wanted to see how much the upgrade would be. $0 was my cost to upgrade to 8. No longer miffed, and very happy with DxO
I wish On1 would do this as well.
I tried DxO and I did like it. I was able to get nearly the exact same final image as I was with LRC. The only reason I went back to LRC was for the work flow but I'm considering buying DxO 8 and getting used to the workflow in that program. This is mostly a moral choice for me at this point.
I looked on their website and it appears you have to pay to upgrade to each new version. So the initial price is $229for elite then each upgrade you will pay for probably $100 maybe? I am on Photography Lightroom plan $10/month. So my initial purchase breakeven is almost 2 years and then each upgrade every year would be like paying for my photography plan (which includes LR Classic, LR, Photoshop). Unless you are prepared to be stuck on the version you buy in 2 or 3 years it looks like DxO will cost more due to initial up front cost and ongoing upgrade fees. If I am wrong somewhere here somebody please correct me. I was hopeful until I saw the pricing and upgrade fees
@@teamvigod I see your point But how often would you really be updating? Other than the latest AI features, How much is Adobe really changed in the last 2 years?
@@dredigi0 I would update every year most likely. Will DxO always update old version to work on the latest Mac OS version and if not you must upgrade. Also there will probably be big moves in AI features for the next 5 to 10 years most won't want to miss out on.
@@teamvigod that is how Lightroom and all Photoshop products used to be receipt that it was way more than $100. You didn't have to pay for the new version if you didn't want it because unless you changed camera or operating system, your version of the software would work forever. You can't face everything for free and here you have to choose between owning something forever which might become restrictive or useless with age or, pay a monthly subscription.
@@teamvigod No. Look at the post above by elac70. He bought PL7 recently and was able to upgrade to PL8 for $0
I like that raw files in folders are ready to be processed and don't need to be imported.
To me this is one of the main reasons to get it.
adobe idea of reinventing cataloges drives me nuts
@@Cucumiso Thinking about it now, a voice in my head speculates that Adobe was making catalogue label decisions so their Ai could easily monitor the image progression induced editing behavioirs. Just a wold speculation. That catalogue does contain versions of edits.
To me this is one of the worst things about DXO, not being able to download images off my memory card, organise the images downloaded into folders by date, automatically apply keywords, meta data, even presets at import is a massive flaw in the product. I would need to use another product alongside DXO. I want a one stop shop where I can do everything, DXO is too far away from this and has limited editing capabilities like no portrait masking, I can do everything in one place in LrC and only go to PS for occasional finishing, DXO would require me to manually edit every photo one at a time using PS or Affinity whilst I can apply portrait masks across 100's of photos in seconds in LrC
I use Lightroom on my android device and I hated the update when they did it. I prefer to having to import files. This makes easier to track how done you are with a batch of photos.
Moved away when Adobe was moving to subscription model and over to dxo years and years ago. Never felt limited, never missed Adobe at all. Love the "film pack" from them too.
You only get the film pack in the full version right?
But in the end you pay the same while updating every year... And you get PS, LRC, LR, LR mobile for 10 bucks a month....
@@bertnase9933 great point but does lightroom integrate with the apple or google photos library? Also you can't do any photomerging on the mobile apps anyway and in my experience dxo filmpack (included in optics pro version) spanks lightroom for professional looks
CAN LR PRESETS WORK?
@@bertnase9933 I don't update every year and I only buy during Black Friday when they do like 50% off. Last time I bought was 4 years ago. They also offer reduced pricing for upgrades.
I don’t mind the sponsorship, since it’s Tony. I don’t think he would hawk junk. He’s getting paid to demonstrate software that is known to be high quality. I appreciated the video.
Yeah my thoughts EXACTLY! They have done so much for the community that they can put these videos in a separate section and we would still watch. But pretending it is not an ad is a bit much
Dear, Tony, I fully agree with you on every editing corrections, made with care and highly intelligent software developed by DxO! I do not have PS but only the Elements so now I will purchase this DxO Photolab version 8! A big THANKS to you for this excellent tutorial! Wishing you and your family every blessing! Cheers from Sweden!
I think those pictures turned out looking like they've been tone mapped, not enought contrast, like an HDR image translated to SDR
My thoughts exactly, all I could think for every edit was "BLEH..."
Tony you said, "Don't want to mess with AI" as if it was AI features in Lightroom are a negative. Lack of AI selection tools in DXO is the main thing keeping me from switching. Lightroom helps me isolate areas of the photographs I want to edit. Select Sky, Subject, Objects then intersect with other selections like gradient filters. I'm sick of Adobe's monthly charges and cloud storage nonsense, so DXO is still really tempting even without AI, especially because they have an upgrade policy, so you don't have to pay the full price again, when a new version comes out.
In other words, you never had it so good!
I agree... The AI selection is super handy and I also think the AI denoising is better than what I can achieve with DXO.
Some of us don't like the AI tools
While I don't like subscription either, at the end the "lifetime license" is not much better than a subscription, because if you want your latest cameras and lenses supported, you basically are forced to upgrade as well because DXO blocks new cameras working in older software. E.g. Nikon Z6 III is not supported in PL5 which was launched just 2 years ago and neither in PureRAW 1.
Also for PL5 there is no discount when upgrading to PL8, you pay the full price, and again PL5 is only 2 years old. And if you upgrade PL every version there is only a theoretical difference to subscription, maybe peace of mind, but your purse will suffer the same way ... which should be no surprise as the development effort needs to be paid either way.
I actually like this video because u actually gave Adobe time to fix there problems and they still messed up, this video was posted at the correct time 💪🏿
I recently quit Adobe and joined DXO and Davinci family. Good by Adobe, you're getting what you deserve!!!
A soaring stock price you mean?
A few years ago I had DxO for less than a year. Then I got a new camera (from Nikon D610 to Z6) and found out that I needed to buy the latest version to support the new camera's files (customer support told me this). Considering the more than $200 price tag ($200 for the initial version and $200 for the version upgrade) and having the software less than a year, I thought that was a pretty terrible deal. So hopefully they don't that anymore, but they aren't getting my business again.
Yeah I pay $10/month for Adobe Photography plan (LR, LR classic and photoshop). I'll always be behind in terms of out of pocket with DxO versus Adobe with DxO's pricing here. Up front I'm 2 years to breakeven and then any upgrades and I'm once again playing catchup for 2 years almost. I don't see how the no subscription fee is of any benefit vs Adobe here when the total costs for initial license and then upgrades down the road end up costing more
@@teamvigodif you don’t change your camera all the time you don’t have to buy a new product. That’s how the value of DXO is much better. Plus it’s less complicated to setup and use.
looking at its pricing few weeks back it was 230€ and 99€ for upgrade (so maybe 180$/70$ in US as you dont get hit with taxes as much), so its not full price for an upgrade anymore...
DXO obviously took note of the issue you raised and is not the case now, you can go and see the list of supported cameras against DXO version on their website. I think they go back 2 versions.
i do not understand these people when comparing prices :
🤔any decent photographer has Photoshop.... and Lightroom is included in the monthly price so : Lightroom cost nothing
Wow these comments are making me question how smart the viewers are because the first frame says “THIS VIDEO IA SPONSORED BY DX0”. Some people just want to argue online.
This! 🔥🔥🔥
oh boy coincidentally I've been using DXO for the past week, and for the first time ..bro it's a GAME CHANGER and i guess i was just living under a rock all the time
I'm interested in the skin retouching results.
In your experience, is it faster and more natural-looking than LR?
I want to edit my portraits faster as I do all the work in my business, so I'm looking to speed up things so I can rest from time to time.
Much thanks!
I also have to object to this video’s approach. “You just buy it, no monthly fees”… yeah, but it’s not a perpetual license, it’s a per-version one. So, when v9 comes out, there goes another $100, and, you guessed it, when v10 comes along, another $100. So I think the price comparison showing 10 years of LR subscriptions is really misleading.
And once you get a new camera or lens you are forced into the new version as DXO doesn't support new camera modules for their older software. Otherwise you would have the option to skip a version.
Or you can just choose not to upgrade?
You don't have to upgrade each time. I didn't when I previously used Photoshop before it went to a subscription model. Plus, what I did buy I owned; it wouldn't suddenly stop function if I didn't by the next release.
@@sjones1017 Fair enough, as long as the OS still supports your version and/or the developers give support for older versions (which is probably not the case). I still think that projecting this to 10 years is a considerable stretch. Are you telling me that in 10 years you will be running v8 on whatever OS and cameras may change in the process? This is probably doable for the LR subscription.
Been using since DXO 3. Have always been pleased. I've heard that DXO 8 was out and improved. Haven't upgraded yet, but I will very soon. DXO has always been the company for me.
Looks good, was going to get adobe, but then saw your couple videos so I waited. Patience pays off.
For me personally I have good respect for the Northrop’s. This is a good alternative to Adobe.
Happy with Luminar Neo.
Kinda glad you made this video. Had no idea DxO had its own editor, I always thought they sold plugins. Good to know.
I became Adobe-free about a year ago, replacing LRC with PhotoLab 7 (now PL8) and Photoshop with Affinity Photo 2. Yes, work flow is different, but I think it's worth it.
I still prefer C1 to adobe. It has better tethering functionality and they don't handcuff you with the subscription.
Yes they do. But I prefer them also.
I really liked C1 for Fujifilm, but I'm not buying the new version since support for Fujifilm was stopped. For adding Text and other quick work I bought PhotPad from NCH for little money but very good results and very easy to use. It's a best buy for me.
C1 is good , used it for years. But their buy model got horrible. Bad performance on Apple Silicon. I’m looking for an alternative now and dxo is one of them.
As someone who edits real estate every day, I still found myself going back to Lightroom because its built in HDR is just better unfortunately. Hopefully that changes.
Folks -- Tony is absolutely correct here. i've been a DXO user since 2005, but still have to drop back to PS for a few needs (e.g., adding text, or merging certain external images). But honestly, now i do that only once a year or less. For a former darkroom geek, it doesn't feel like a different workflow, whereas PS does with constructs like layers and their tool palettes. And their denoise and optical corrections are always the very best. -- gary ray
Capture one is vastly better than lightroom.
Affinity Photo is better than Capture One, IMO.
People always say this but never explained why they think that.
@@mjkleini use both in combination, affinity photo is a competitor of Photoshop, not Lightroom.
I have been using DXO Photolab 4 for the last couple of years and I am presently using a trial version of Photolab 8. Much easier to use and more powerful than Adobe applications. For one thing - unlike Adobe, there is no new naming convention/workflow imposed on the user every six months.
I just downloaded it, I'm excited to trial it!! Love how you edited your photo's!!
I use DxO since DxO Optics 6 I think 20 years ago. It was and still is the best raw converter/processor
Thank you so much for taking the time to give me and others options. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Been using this for a few years now. It has been great for me in organizing my pictures.
Tony is shillin but at least it's for a good company. DXO is great software.
Man earns a living. Shocker.
For me, DxO Photolab is the best. I have Photolab 7 and will update to version 8 in November when there is a discount.
This seems like a good option for those who would try to avoid subscription models and over-reaching user agreements. For the long term, I worry about software companies that insist you pay for future upgrades. Maybe base price could include something like a modest number of version upgrades.
1. I know DxO is a great company but sponsored video kind of hurts the point of the video.
2. One of the things i use all the time on LrC is batch process... Can it do it?
3. AI is very impressive on LrC, i use (rarely) the removal tool and recently have discovered how revolutionising AI denoise is. AI denoise is like having a 10-year upgrade to your camera if not more.
He knows it. But money is sweet.
Why not just try it? There's a free trial before you buy
2) Yes it can
3) DxO is supposed to have currently the best denoise on the market by far. Thats not just an advertisement, its basically what everyone comparing different editing software say.
@@anupew3276 That was the case until Adobe came up with denoise. The Adobe algorithm is in another league against the inconsistent mess from DxO...
@@xdrew707x I will. I am on a subscription detox program
I couldn't agree more. PL8 is masterful.
Maybe the best PL8 review so far, concentrating on the deciding features. I made a personal raw editor comparison when upgrading from SilkyPix (which wasn’t too bad, by the way) and PhotoLab 2 was the clear winner. Best results in the quickest way. What I don’t like: Some of the essential features are upgrades and the more popular it becomes, the more expensive the updates get, now more than 100 €
There are so many "other" options. Sponsored videos are not independently reviewed.
I don't know why people shy away from using Darktable.
I'm still using Adobe Lightroom 6, the last stand alone version. It makes me use my skills to go in and do things that new programs do automatically. AND I couldn't be more pleased with your recommendation, Tony. I've felt I could use a worthy upgrade for quite a few years now and refuse to get a subscription to the program I already paid for. (To Adobe's credit, the stand alone version does still work.) I'm sold. Looking forward to seeing what vintage lenses DxO supports. NOT to Adobe's credit at all, the lens profiles in Lightroom 6 are from 2015. If this is really better than Lightroom, lets see some more tutorials on some basic editing steps like your Lightroom videos. This is basically free for me with all the money I have not paid Adobe for subscriptions. (Take that Adobe.)
Also still using LR6. Agree about having to to be more creative. DxO PhotoLab 8 looks promising through...
The problem was never finding an alternative to Lr. But there's nothing (sadly) that can do everything that Ps does.
DxO can be good software, but never come to close to LR and PS.Adobe has revolutionized the use of AI in its softwares.Yes there are still some deficiencies,bugs,etc. but this is a development will never end.
Come on people, if Tony recommends this software is because he really thinks it's good, he would not compromise his reputation since we all know that he sells books written by him about software. Of course he tried to get a sponsorship from the company since he was going to recommend their software. We would have done the same thing.
I use Photolab 6 and I love it! Pretty sure I'll hold off upgrading again (skipped 7) since I am still able to do everything I need in 6 - this allows the monthly expense to go down even more! Note that DXO still supports 6 - I get updates (new lens / camera modules) regularly - I just don't get some of the new features. When a version pops up with something I must have, I'll upgrade then!
Just keep in mind that DXO only offers upgrade pricing on 2 versions back. If you wait for Version 9 you will have to pay full pop for it, but if you upgrade from 6 to 8 you'll still get upgrade pricing.
I switched to DxO PL 7 a few weeks ago and left Adobe. Now, I’m using DxO PL8, DxO NIK Collection, Luminar, and Affinity Photo, and it's absolutely fine. The workflow of Adobe LR/PS was a bit better, of course, but it’s necessary to teach Adobe a lesson.
I've DXO for a while, been going to there church, makes it easy on me for my style. ❤
Yes. Absolutely. I got consistently better results with Photolab. Mainly because of the RAW processing. But my experience is limited..
Thanks for the tip. By the way, with all due respect, Chelsie looks amazing on the picture!
I refuse to use subscriptions. This could be what I'm looking for, thanks.
I have been using DXO since ver 5 remember the pure raw features are also in DXO 3rd tab over it is great software except it will not let you rename files when you export them That is the only feature I wish it had.. It allows you to add a suffix to the file only.. the batch export is great. very good program!!
Thanks for the heads up on this software!
Used DxO Photolab for years now. It's simply better. The noise reduction is way way more efficient and keeps more detail than LR.
No, it doesn't, but don't let that stop you.
What about using a 2nd monitor? How does it compaes with Lightroom? Can you make the same use of that 2nd monitor (loop, compare, survey etc...)?
I have used DXO Photolab and DXO Optics Pro it’s former iteration for many years. It’s better than the Adobe ACR etc.
And how often did you use a current Adobe version? Probably you didn't!
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 actually once in a while. I have the subscription for Lightroom and Photoshop so now and then I try ACR.
I'll have to check it out. I do a lot of compositing and use third party software. Hopefully the play nicely together.
Do a review on Capture one. IMO their color fidelity is better than anything else
Love your videos Tony, been watching you and Chelsea for probably 8 years now. You guys are the best! You guys have said many times that you never take sponsorships from photography companies to keep your videos unbiased. While a DXO sponsorship isn't as crazy as Canon or Nikon would be, this does give me a littleeeee bitttt of hesitation. What would have been great is a direct comparison to LR so I can see if DXO accomplishes the same task that Adobe does for less money.
No subscription... sounds like a massive improvement already.
I left Photoshop for DXO many years ago (DXO2) and would never go back to Adobe products
How does DXO work with Fuji Xtrans sensors.
It was incompatible for a long time but since 2021 it has worked and it's good.
I believe I read that DXO 8 Isn't compatible with X Trans sensors yet. But you need to check with DXO.
Looks interesting. I might consider it in few years.
There’s a one month free trial.
😀That was also my suggestion in your previous video.
DXO builds distorting correction profile for every major lens manufacturer & then applies it to the photo automatically.
is DxO Photolab 8 good for beginners and is it auto like lightroom just as good
Thank you for showing a good alternative to Adobe. I enjoy hobby photography, but I couldn’t afford the subscription anymore. A one-time purchase makes photography accessible again.
Ten dollars a month is not a lot of money, especially considering what you get for it and with free updates and upgrades.
@@jerryinsc I was using Lightroom, Photoshop, and Acrobat. It was $20 a month for the first two years, then it went to $60 per month at the same time as I had to curtail my photography, so I cancelled.
Hi, Tony! I’d love to see a tutorial on how to make the switch from both versions of LR and how to retain all the photos in huge catalogs (local and cloud).
Oh Yes! I can stop paying Adobe subscription for Lightroom. I don't use cloud storage anyway, so this is perfect.
Been using DxO for years quite Adobe in 2016
>Missing:
Tool to put different exposed foto’s together.
You have a favorite?
Can you make video on it?
> like it very much:
Use it since version 6; now using 8.
DxO is the best for image quality and demosaicing. I like to do a basic conversion and finish off in PS as I use luminosity masks etc a lot.
Have you even tried a current LR/ACR? probably not, because DxO is not even in the same league and it's IMHO incorrectly created lens profiles don't make it any better...
Absolutely agree. Switched to it a couple months ago
I just saw an Adobe Ad halfway through your video!
Thank You Tony!
$20.00 a month for Adobe? That isn't what I pay, mine is 9.99. I don't use the cloud. Life is pretty good.
Yeap, 9.99 is what I pay too. Life is good😊
Adobe lol
Not every country pays $10/month. In Canada, it's more.
That's still 240 in two years. DxO is 229 one time. So in less than two years, it starts saving money. And it's not just about the money. It's also about Adobe's licensing that gives their A.I. the ability to use your photos without your permission. You have no privacy with Adobe.
I'm also guessing that the $20 a month is what you would need to get the same features and functions as DxO.
@@theshawnmccown you pay upgrades though.
I ditched Lightroom when they moved to subscription and happily moved to DXO. Much easier and more powerful. No need to upgrade ever until I buy a new camera or computer.
Thank you so much for this review. It's so nice to have a real choice.
Adobe certainly has plenty of competition these days. There seems to be an alternative for most photographers, everything from DXO, Luminar and Affinity.
At this stage Adobe is surviving on its history largely and people using it out of habit. Having been the heavyweight in the industry there are so many plugins and actions that many use within Adobe. In my experience the plugins often work with other software, the actions often don't. Once the third party developers start creating for the competition I think Adobe could be in real trouble.
I agree. And my Adobe sub ends next month so, after well over a decade, I am going to break the habit and find an alternative. It's a pain learning a new interface, but I am sick of playing the month sub.
That’s quite an advertisement you’ve made for this sponsor. Glad you disclosed that right up front. I just bought a year’s subscription to Capture One Pro as a LRC alternative, and it offers an incredible array of extremely “professional” I’d call them, perfectionist oriented adjustment tools, too. Of course, it’s also offered only as a subscription based business model. This looks like an interesting compromise I’m going to try as well. Question, where does it store all the adjustment data, given it leaves your RAW files wherever you put them yourself? It must create a database someplace.
Tried C1 and will try DXo, I just value the work flow and the color adjustments in LR.
I’m sure I can get the same results in Dxo but who has time to figure this out while working and the customers want the same consistency. Maybe when I retire and do this as a hobby I’ll change it up.
Lightroom has many annoying attributes, but I can't deny how useful it is to edit on my phone on the go
Despite subbing to Adobe, never use the mobile apps. For quick, simple edits I just use Snapseed.
I wish you compared it to others out there not just Lightroom.
How would one migrate to DXO? Lr image settings XMP, Keywords.
It would be nice to see the process and results for the same images with Lightroom too. Then we could see if this is indeed better.
I move to C1P years ago and i havent upgraded to their subscription based one yet. I moght look into DXO when i reach C1P's limitations. Nice video 🖐🏻
I don't dispute DxO being a good program but I still had a slight hope that Tony would take the long game and start recommending open source software.
I'm sure when there is open source software as good as Photolab or Lightroom he will recommend it.
I swaped from Adobe years ago and started using Polarr. I like it but would not mind switching. How does DxO compare?
There are many RAW developers and YES I have have used it from the first version BUT Lightroom has one huge advantage, the catalog. If DXO could import LR classic catalogs, and process Panorama images YES but not at the moment, I have always used DXO products because they are excellent but without LR catalog compatibility, it’s THE plugin to LR.
I haven't used the newest version, but the contrast stuff is way better on DXO but the color stuff (HSL and camera calibration) were not nearly as good, although the color film emulations on the Filmpack add on are super good.
DXO absolutely wipes the floor with Adobe for black and white photos. If you do black and white, get DXO as well as the Filmpack add on and you'll be in B+W heaven.
I like that, Lightroom can do some of that but not as easily.. Great software..
And LrC can do a lot of things very easily that DxO can't...
On 1 Raw (2024 and 2024.5) is very good too. One time buy and you own it, affordable.
Will try it. Wondering, if DxO PL 8 supports natively .afphoto files, that would make it perfect. I'm also curious, how fast it is on my M3 Mac 24 GB RAM - Sequoia already installed. Besides, I really love your fight against that subscription and spy model of Adobe.
How's it for skin retouching?
Is it faster than Lightroom in that regard?
Thank you Tony.
Looks great! Would need a mobile app version as well before I could leave LR.
I sub to Adobe, but never use the mobile apps. For simple edits on my iPhone, I just use Snapseed. Quick and easy.
My favorite is ON1 Photo Raw....excellent processing of RAW files, including browsing and tagging, local masks, AI based denoise and sharpening, pretty much anything lightroom or photoshop can do, ON1 Photo Raw does.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on Luminar neo? I think doing a series of looking at LRC alternatives would be great
The tether feature in Lightroom is a lot more stable now. Will this tether as well?
What matters most to me is "file and folder handling" LR cat(s) are annoying.
Does this mean you are off Adobe now? More specifically - have you moved away from Lr and totally using DxO now? Tks.
Promising. How is the raw converter compared to Adobe's for colour rendering, speed and detail?
What kills this for me is that it is not available on iPad (as far as I can tell). My workflow involves a lot of sharing between devices for ‘on the go’ plus detailed adjustments with the Apple Pencil which I find so responsive.
Me and nearly all of my photography friends use Lightroom/Photoshop and most also use or have used DxO. Like others, I would have put more trust in the video if it were not sponsored by DxO. It not only undercuts the message, but digs into what I always thought is the respect you have earned over the years. I suspect the $20/month you quoted is not for the photography package, but for Illustrator too, which most of us do not need.
I've been using DxO PhotoLab and predecessor for many years as my main editor. The only thing missing for me are AI masks for subjects, backgrounds, ...