More of a plot device thing that Bulma should get credit for if anything. Trunks just a messenger. Time travel also changes the time line and Cell came to the timeline first changing it. Goku would’ve died but the rest is an assumption.
Piccolo should be S+. His redemption arc is the best in the series only under Vegeta. Put in work as both a villain and a good guy the whole series, has cool moves and is invited to the cookout.
@@xCactus-Jack_ just hard to enjoy the character when vegeta is literally just a better version of him, even in the original show his father was a more interesting villain
Cell not being S+ is the biggest crime here. He had super mysterious and interesting introduction. He had tons of character development because he had to actually make decisions and find a way to power up to his final form, he had more interesting motivations and dialogue and Frieza or buu, and also the Cell games was peak DBZ viewership. Dragon ball was never more hype than the cell saga. Been watching since the 90s, seen it all.
@@Chris-rj4bt I do see your point he has progressed very well and I see why people like him so much now. But in Z at least, even after Namek, he still doesn’t make the best decisions and I don’t think great character progression should make people forget that. For example, him toying w/semi perfect cell and even beating up his own son for his own ambitions. I’ll always take gokus consistency plus vegeta wouldn’t be here w/o goku in multiple occasions
I think to discount goku as a character because he doesn't see noticeable growth and change is to kind of miss the point of his role in the story. some protagonists in media exist with flat character arcs that serve to serve more as the platform for the growth of others than for them to grow much on their own. it feels like judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree in a sense, as Goku very clearly stops growing much as a person at the start of Z when they literally introduce his son as the new character to watch develop
That’s Shawn and some people in general. They conflate having more character development as automatically better. It’s shortsighted and stupid The greatest characters of all time Batman and Spider-Man don’t have massive and complex character development. And they’re the greatest.
lmaoo nah bruh they was throwing down on each other bruh.. Lets be real 17 got character development not too many characters get that in DB other than Piccolo Gohan Bardock and 17@@ShawnCeeLIVE
@@rawvelliVegeta???? And 17 didn’t have much growth, he was always just doing his own thing, he got wished back to life and no longer had orders to follow lol, no power increase but holding back a god of destruction?? LMAO
@@ShawnCeeLIVE Faxx tho vegeta too!! Both Vegeta and 17 killed families, children and destroyed the eco system of a planet.And remind you 17 did that in TWO TIMELINES. His whole story arc came full circle when he restored them trash universes in TOP, that was mad selfless unlike his past self. That character development deserved atleast A or S maybe not s+. Look all im saying is 17 and vegeta one in the same on their stories coming full circle bruh
He ain’t S tier because he’s character is bullshit. Dude became a park ranger doing nothing more than swatting off regular human poachers and all the sudden is God Blue level ? 😂😂
Goku is easy S, we literally watched him grow into a man and become the MVP of the Earth to the point he didn't want to get revived cause he knew he attracted unwanted attention. His decision to stay dead basically brought about peace for 7 whole years.
Goku not being at least S tier is wild to me lol. Even if you don’t count what he did in OG Dragon Ball he did so much and made so many sacrifices a lot of other people wouldn’t make
I agree with your S+, S, & A pretty much. Future Trunks def gotta be S+ tier though.17 based off what he did in the T.O.P I'd put in A tbh. I hate Toriyama made Videl just a housewife basically, because I loved her in the buu saga. If I was rating her just based off the buu saga she'd be like mid to high b.
Aye shawn was cooking for the most part, detroit public schools may need a raise. Dragon ball fans think one moment of a character transcends all the ridiculousness they put the plotline and story through bruh (mainly speaking on his points with trunks). Trunks did one thing and everybody feel like he deserves praise. if he was so good why couldnt he defeat cell THE FIRST TIME???
The only time hes ever seen cell tho he actually let his egotistical dad fight him then after he lost cell already was perfect shit trunks wasn’t strong enough thats why when we seen him older with bulma in the future and he kills cell the nigga trunks just was never a cell level threat until he talked to Z fighters
Puts Krillin over Goku*. FUCKING THANK YOU SHAWN! Krillin is one of, if not THE most clutch character in the series. Toriyama and Toyotaro be hating the human characters. Edit: Aaand you put Piccolo in S tier too!? You have refined taste, sir.
This whole shit is hilarious cause Shawn is judging from a narrative standpoint and chat is arguing about which characters were hypest lmao Dbz just not made to be critically analyzed it's damn near brainless at this point
Even from narratives shawn kind of off with it. He said majin buu is D but frieza is S and cell in A. He say basically frieza and cell progressed the story and had ppl get character development but buu did more than both cuz without him theres no SSJ3, no gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegito, Vegeta sacrifice aka CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, more CD with vegeta and goku and sets up Uub a whole character still getting insights barely ever actually being canon himself
Beerus ran a L7 with the other universe’s gods and won. As far the more theme based elements that you touched on I agree that he really does nothing. He’s just “the bar” for Vegeta and Goku to strive towards.
The android saga and cell were inevitable. Goku beat down on the red ribbon's first androids and tore down the entire group as a kid. Dr. Gero probably started scheming shortly after
Even Fat Buu is better the Cell. At least Fat Buu is not a budget Freiza like Cell is and has his own unique personality. The Imperfect Cell is *way* better than the perfect Cell.
With feats like making the dragon ball radar, the medicine to cure goku's heart virus, and the time machine for trunks to go back to the past, I can see why she is placed so high.
16:06 tf is shawn talkin bout cell wasnt dead nor was frieza, frieza was surviving in the vacuum of space till found and put back together and cell blew himself up but returned because he knew instant transmission and Cell even said as long as literally just a single cell from him is alive he could regenerate and he also was only stronger cuz he had zenkai boost on top of him returning. His name is Cell cuz he can literally survive with a single Cell remaining
No one knows what Trunks transformation is, I doubt the writers even know. The ultimate asspull. Bro went from SSJ2 to throwing hands with gods with no training
Krillin is absolutely at fault. He had no knowledge of what Vegeta was doing. All he knew was Cell needed 18 to be perfect. The fact he couldve stopped it with a press of a button and didnt absolutely makes it his fault. You can like him all you want but he absolutely dropped the ball for basically a sex doll
Gohan is easily the best character in DBZ. DBS don't exist in my mind, all the characters was thrown in the trash to be the Goku (dumber than ever, became a terrible ass character) and Vegeta show. Kirilin (i think thats how it is in english, im brazilian so for me he is Kuririn) is very underrated, the original Dragon Ball characters are all good
To be fair, Beerus is a teacher too, if you count the manga. Without Beerus, there would be no Ultra Ego Vegeta. Plus Beerus is the strongest God Of Destruction, unless the other 6 universes were also wished back by 17 and those Gods could be BEASTS
bardock is legit one of the worst characters, most unimportant story in the series, ik what youre thinking but Goku having his whole race wiped out by frieza is a powerful enough motive to defeat him. ALSO GRANDPA GOHAN IS A MILLION TIMES BETTER AS A FATHER FIGURE if you seriously havent seen the original dragon ball you are fucking missing out on the best that the z warriors have been written I AM DEADASS
To say this tier is list is ass is a complete understatement. This man complained about Beerus not knowing this man is the only reason Vegeta is even viable in super. Man got a whole new form and is arguably the most dangerous character technique wise now largely because Beerus. And that whole Vegeta being king of the saiyans bit??? THAT MAN GIVES 0 FUCKS ABOUT HIS PEOPLE FROM HIS UNIVERSE NOW. Why do fans not watch this series?
Already knowing this is 100% wrong and inaccurate 💯 💯💯
Facts! as soon i saw android 18 not being S tier I was out
@@HamAndCheeze😂😂😂 mans was out first 12 seconds
@@HamAndCheeze18 is not s tier u just horny 😂
Grade A hating… I LOVE IT ‼️‼️
He right about Bulma tho
“He’s not integral to the story” they literally all die without trunks coming back to warn them💀
That's what I'm saying lmao
Facts. Goku gone from a heart disease without him
@@SportsOnTheSide1shit he almost died anyways 💀
@@mememasterjim1633 almost dying and actually dying are 2 very different things. Shouldn't have to explain that but there u go
More of a plot device thing that Bulma should get credit for if anything. Trunks just a messenger.
Time travel also changes the time line and Cell came to the timeline first changing it. Goku would’ve died but the rest is an assumption.
Saying Trunks is not integral to the story is crazy lolllll
Yes, brought Goku meds
@@shyb7847 wonder who made the meds
The fact that Shawn still going back and forth with people in the comments has me rolling 😂 love this man
Piccolo should be S+. His redemption arc is the best in the series only under Vegeta. Put in work as both a villain and a good guy the whole series, has cool moves and is invited to the cookout.
Na
facts,Piccolo muh third favourite after Jiren & Broly
Hell yea, piccolo is the best character In db@@Twofacex2
@@xCactus-Jack_ just hard to enjoy the character when vegeta is literally just a better version of him, even in the original show his father was a more interesting villain
announcer guy over goku is crazy😂😂
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Cell not being S+ is the biggest crime here. He had super mysterious and interesting introduction. He had tons of character development because he had to actually make decisions and find a way to power up to his final form, he had more interesting motivations and dialogue and Frieza or buu, and also the Cell games was peak DBZ viewership. Dragon ball was never more hype than the cell saga. Been watching since the 90s, seen it all.
Korin is S tier, that dude’s the only reason why anybody had any sensu beans and he’s a snarky lil cat guy.
real shit
Goku not being S is wild though
I think it's cause he's regressed so much in Super.Hes an idiot now
Putting Goku in A is not that crazy of a take imo
@@Chris-rj4btit wouldn’t be if vegeta wasn’t S tier. Vegeta was very unlikeable imo until after Namek
@@therealrayray36 I feel like that’s what makes him great. He’s a good villain and becomes an even better ally with great character moments
@@Chris-rj4bt I do see your point he has progressed very well and I see why people like him so much now. But in Z at least, even after Namek, he still doesn’t make the best decisions and I don’t think great character progression should make people forget that. For example, him toying w/semi perfect cell and even beating up his own son for his own ambitions. I’ll always take gokus consistency plus vegeta wouldn’t be here w/o goku in multiple occasions
That announcer KNEW who the z fighters was when they showed up to that tournament after the cell arc . he put Respect on they name #S.tear 🫡
Beerus in D is wild☠️
I think to discount goku as a character because he doesn't see noticeable growth and change is to kind of miss the point of his role in the story. some protagonists in media exist with flat character arcs that serve to serve more as the platform for the growth of others than for them to grow much on their own. it feels like judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree in a sense, as Goku very clearly stops growing much as a person at the start of Z when they literally introduce his son as the new character to watch develop
That’s Shawn and some people in general. They conflate having more character development as automatically better. It’s shortsighted and stupid
The greatest characters of all time Batman and Spider-Man don’t have massive and complex character development. And they’re the greatest.
17 is definitely S tier he's the whole reason why the universes got saved in DBS
This nigga was barely keeping up with Piccolo in the Cell saga, he shouldn't have survived a single opponent in the TOP.
lmaoo nah bruh they was throwing down on each other bruh.. Lets be real 17 got character development not too many characters get that in DB other than Piccolo Gohan Bardock and 17@@ShawnCeeLIVE
@@rawvelliVegeta???? And 17 didn’t have much growth, he was always just doing his own thing, he got wished back to life and no longer had orders to follow lol, no power increase but holding back a god of destruction?? LMAO
@@ShawnCeeLIVE Faxx tho vegeta too!! Both Vegeta and 17 killed families, children and destroyed the eco system of a planet.And remind you 17 did that in TWO TIMELINES. His whole story arc came full circle when he restored them trash universes in TOP, that was mad selfless unlike his past self. That character development deserved atleast A or S maybe not s+. Look all im saying is 17 and vegeta one in the same on their stories coming full circle bruh
He ain’t S tier because he’s character is bullshit. Dude became a park ranger doing nothing more than swatting off regular human poachers and all the sudden is God Blue level ? 😂😂
come on cell should be S minimum
Knew dat was gonna say something
He lost me at trunks….did he even watch the show?? Lmfaooo
Goku is easy S, we literally watched him grow into a man and become the MVP of the Earth to the point he didn't want to get revived cause he knew he attracted unwanted attention. His decision to stay dead basically brought about peace for 7 whole years.
yea him not being S confused me 😭
Goku not being at least S tier is wild to me lol. Even if you don’t count what he did in OG Dragon Ball he did so much and made so many sacrifices a lot of other people wouldn’t make
Android 18 not being S tier is WILD😳
18 is A at best no matter what you're nerd bonner is telling you lol
That’s not wild
She's mid compared to a lot of other chicks in the anime imo
bro doesnt know what wild means
She’s average .
I agree with your S+, S, & A pretty much. Future Trunks def gotta be S+ tier though.17 based off what he did in the T.O.P I'd put in A tbh. I hate Toriyama made Videl just a housewife basically, because I loved her in the buu saga. If I was rating her just based off the buu saga she'd be like mid to high b.
Aye shawn was cooking for the most part, detroit public schools may need a raise. Dragon ball fans think one moment of a character transcends all the ridiculousness they put the plotline and story through bruh (mainly speaking on his points with trunks). Trunks did one thing and everybody feel like he deserves praise. if he was so good why couldnt he defeat cell THE FIRST TIME???
The only time hes ever seen cell tho he actually let his egotistical dad fight him then after he lost cell already was perfect shit trunks wasn’t strong enough thats why when we seen him older with bulma in the future and he kills cell the nigga trunks just was never a cell level threat until he talked to Z fighters
Was he counting dragon ball too cuz if you read the manga gokus development from DB to end of Z is top tier Goku is S+
seriously, I dont think shawn has seen the first series
Ok I understand his opinion on Goku. I ain’t even mad at that at all cuz that a valid argument
I was gonna argue against like 90% of the list but bulma in s+ nah I’m good Shawn goated for that
My only problem with the list is how Shawn puts down certain characters for their perversion but puts Mastsr Roshi in A.He should lowered
Master roshi is a legend
He covered that weakness in TOP
That's your only problem lol?
It's funny how Shawn put the elder kai down a tier for being a pervert but not Roshi 😂
@@micah459roshi overcame it
Puts Krillin over Goku*. FUCKING THANK YOU SHAWN! Krillin is one of, if not THE most clutch character in the series. Toriyama and Toyotaro be hating the human characters.
Edit: Aaand you put Piccolo in S tier too!? You have refined taste, sir.
Krillin is top tier but if you watch original DB goku is def S tier
Krillin sold the earth out for a girl who was playing with him
Bro almost got everybody killed just so he could hopefully smash 18😂
@@PapiPoole nigga just like me fr
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The announcer over goku, trunks, cell and more is actually nasty work man
W takes shawn
these niggas don't see the vision 😭
Bro u are Azz 😂 . If u dont put Cell & Future Trunks in S
17 i think should be A tier
announcer being s tier is FACTUAL
i remember the time he saved universe 7 from being erased 😱😱
Ginyu force shouldve been A tier all of them had unique personalities depsite their small screentime they goats
I’ve always said a spin off comedy show with the ginyu force as main characters prior the events in dbz would be fire
This whole shit is hilarious cause Shawn is judging from a narrative standpoint and chat is arguing about which characters were hypest lmao
Dbz just not made to be critically analyzed it's damn near brainless at this point
Even from narratives shawn kind of off with it. He said majin buu is D but frieza is S and cell in A. He say basically frieza and cell progressed the story and had ppl get character development but buu did more than both cuz without him theres no SSJ3, no gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegito, Vegeta sacrifice aka CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, more CD with vegeta and goku and sets up Uub a whole character still getting insights barely ever actually being canon himself
@@beemo7700that’s cool and all but ong when i was a kid i thought all buu did was laugh and scream
@@grammernazi4216 ngl I did too then rewatching gettin older you start to go down the its a dbz plot hole or we just ain’t read in between the lines
Bro said he's looking for development and involvement in the story but also puts the most developed character in A tier
17 is b tier?? Bro MVP!
"He's not integral to the story" is wild lmaooo. This dude is a master troll
Beerus on design alone is a solid C tier at least. Also that's Namek Saga Vegeta, not Vegeta in general. Drop him to B tier
Piccolo S+ tier, he was one of the best villians in the series and then became one of the best heroes and hands down the best father.
Never thought this would be what we agreed on the most. 😂
Beerus ran a L7 with the other universe’s gods and won. As far the more theme based elements that you touched on I agree that he really does nothing. He’s just “the bar” for Vegeta and Goku to strive towards.
shawn is spittin!! bulma is a GAWD compared to every character. Her relevance traascends all of db
Imma ignore Vegeta and Gohan in S and go on with my day
This guy lost his whole soul if he placed “Cell jrs” higher over beerus
The transformation list was VALID literally perfect
The android saga and cell were inevitable. Goku beat down on the red ribbon's first androids and tore down the entire group as a kid. Dr. Gero probably started scheming shortly after
i actually agree with this list except for trunks not being S tier bc he was integral to the story
Trunks lowkey like a B tier character but bro has probably the hardest entrance of any character in all of anime, he had so much potential bruh
Trunks S probably S+ just for the coldest intro known to man and Cell probably the best written character in the series
Even Fat Buu is better the Cell. At least Fat Buu is not a budget Freiza like Cell is and has his own unique personality. The Imperfect Cell is *way* better than the perfect Cell.
@@LordMalice6d9crazy. Cell is nothing like Frieza. He’s more saiyan like . Fat buu is nowhere near perfect cell
Now this is a trunks take I gotta agree with
how is Beerus D ? He is the best thing about Super.
This 🥷 watching Dragon Ball with his eyes closed 😂
Bro just kicked the door open and started COOOKING no warmup no nothing! 😮💨😮💨😮💨
Rip toriyama
ape is S tier just because kishimoto took inspiration from that DBZ made naruto and took inspiration with the tailed beast and how chunin exams ended
Can’t wait for the Sifu vid 😭 Shawn was stressing
So no one gonna talk about how Bulma S+?
every transformation after super saiyan 4 is like C or below, they just got stupid
Beerus deserve below d
Saying bulma is S+ bc nothing happens without her when she dosen’t get the chance to do those things without goku is crazy
With feats like making the dragon ball radar, the medicine to cure goku's heart virus, and the time machine for trunks to go back to the past, I can see why she is placed so high.
without bulma goku would still be eating fish on mount paozu. or dead once raditz shows up and realizes thats all he's been up to
@@yeepsleep its not that shes in s+, more that goku isnt bc hes also very important
Ngl this list is good coming from a dragon ball conosuor
thank fuck he didn’t put goku in S
Alternate title: try not to trigger db fans (impossible)
16:06 tf is shawn talkin bout cell wasnt dead nor was frieza, frieza was surviving in the vacuum of space till found and put back together and cell blew himself up but returned because he knew instant transmission and Cell even said as long as literally just a single cell from him is alive he could regenerate and he also was only stronger cuz he had zenkai boost on top of him returning. His name is Cell cuz he can literally survive with a single Cell remaining
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SUPER KAMI GURU IS S TIER
Stopped watching when Goku wasn't S+ tier.. Nd this is coming from a Vegeta fan
Shawn is one of those people who disagrees with the status quo to seem smart, sometimes its ok to admit things are good
The dog had more importance than Beerus 😂😂😂
wish he gave ginyu force more credit but solid list, ppl wanna powerscale instead of judge how characters were written
Goku anything but S is js contrarian 😭
Surprisingly I pretty much agree with Shawn besides his beerus takes
Cell jr over beerus is bonkers
No one knows what Trunks transformation is, I doubt the writers even know. The ultimate asspull. Bro went from SSJ2 to throwing hands with gods with no training
First Shawn Cee vid I had to turn off mid way. It pains me…
Tien works so fuckin’ hard, bro, he deserves so much more than he gets from Toriyama it’s criminal.
Krillin is absolutely at fault. He had no knowledge of what Vegeta was doing. All he knew was Cell needed 18 to be perfect. The fact he couldve stopped it with a press of a button and didnt absolutely makes it his fault. You can like him all you want but he absolutely dropped the ball for basically a sex doll
Gohan is easily the best character in DBZ. DBS don't exist in my mind, all the characters was thrown in the trash to be the Goku (dumber than ever, became a terrible ass character) and Vegeta show. Kirilin (i think thats how it is in english, im brazilian so for me he is Kuririn) is very underrated, the original Dragon Ball characters are all good
To be fair, Beerus is a teacher too, if you count the manga. Without Beerus, there would be no Ultra Ego Vegeta. Plus Beerus is the strongest God Of Destruction, unless the other 6 universes were also wished back by 17 and those Gods could be BEASTS
Trunks the easiest s+ tier there is u talk about bulma and fucking krillin being important Goku would’ve died without future trunks make it make sense
but how did trunks get to the past in the first place and manage to heal goku without bulma....make it make sense.
Never let bro cook
beerus bein d tier is CRAZY
Super Saiyan 3 should really be E or F
bardock is legit one of the worst characters, most unimportant story in the series, ik what youre thinking but Goku having his whole race wiped out by frieza is a powerful enough motive to defeat him. ALSO GRANDPA GOHAN IS A MILLION TIMES BETTER AS A FATHER FIGURE if you seriously havent seen the original dragon ball you are fucking missing out on the best that the z warriors have been written I AM DEADASS
Bardock above ginyu is crazy
If beerus only showed up in battle of gods it would be S+, but they reaaally dumbed down homies character in super
bleach and naruto next shawn tf!!
33:03 honestly alot of anime struggle with this same point fr fr
yajirobe the best character in the show
piccolo has his own arc its DBS SUPER SUPER HERO and he cooked in that movie ong!!
Yessirrrr
Cell A tier is beyond comprehension BRO IS WRONGGGGG
Bros not cooking with this list
You’re trolling, you have to be😭😭😭
Need to know if OGDB was used for characters like Tien, Krillen and Goku, cause Goku definitely deserves S bare minimum
Tfs has made Cell S+ tier
beerus does deserve D tier tho, I agree with that
To say this tier is list is ass is a complete understatement. This man complained about Beerus not knowing this man is the only reason Vegeta is even viable in super. Man got a whole new form and is arguably the most dangerous character technique wise now largely because Beerus. And that whole Vegeta being king of the saiyans bit??? THAT MAN GIVES 0 FUCKS ABOUT HIS PEOPLE FROM HIS UNIVERSE NOW. Why do fans not watch this series?
As soon as I saw that cell ain’t S+ I knew this list was boutta fucking suck ass
"Transformation A is pointless because B made him strong" dawg in that logic your saying super saiyan is trash
Do this for jjk please
Ss4 should've been S teir. My only disagreement with the transformation list.
My brain cells 😂