The other thing I really love about alcohol stoves is how quiet they are. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but it's just nice to be able to hear the birds while you're making coffee. Thanks for putting this together!
The Trangia 27 I have typically boils the pot in six minutes. It’s sturdy but heavier than my diy cone. I have made several and they are light and great in wind. The cone directs the heat to the pot better. I use a 1/2” tall bottom of a potted meat can as a burner to be able to make the cone short enough to fit in my Trangia pot. Taller burner would require a taller cone. Kept a 1 inch gap from burner to pot in the cone. Used aluminum roof flashing for the cone. After playing with this I want the Trail Designs titanium one that works with alcohol and wood.
my 30 yr plus old trangia is a lovely flame to sometimes just watch and so quiet, i have been teaching my niece and she likes it too, so i bought her a trangia she is 14 yrs old and i think it will last a lifetime, even if she just uses the stove and changes over to a light pot and windshield she loved it when we tested out the stoves.
I agree with your assessment on tents and condensation. I love my Durston X-Mid 2. The double wall design minimizes the dreaded condensation issues. I've learned from you that I can pitch it fly only in the winter or to get out of a storm quickly!
Im using the exact same stove system. I also love how easily i can roll the caldera into the staff sack it came in and how it fits with stove and lighter into the evernew pot. For week long trip, i still use the sotoo windmaster and canister fuel as alcohol amount is getti g too heavy. Bonfus Middus is like a double wall Altaplex; it's still very compact inside but no problem touching the outer, pitch is a breeze and it's bomb proof
Rarely have I seen one of these vids where I can relate to all the gear issues, I’ve done same w each piece you mention, the stove, H20 filter w shelter exception, I went to Tarptent , the new poly rainbow is easy, roomy , and very minimal condensation..Tarptent is a solid company, ..also, refreshing to see one of these without it feeling like a commercial 👍🏻
Great coverage on a bunch of gear. For a few years I have been using the Hydroblu Versa Flow filter with a 2L CNOC bag, in a gravity feed configuration. I never felt the need to try another system as it works well for me. I made my own mini caldera cone out of titanium sheet. I drew it in CAD and printed a template to cut the titanium sheet. It is the stove I have used the most in the last 5 years Ya condensation in a tight tent is lousy. I will not get a tent with that problem again! Hammocks are my favorite way to sleep, so I always opt for that when possible
After starting out with a Sawyer filter and Platypus/Evernew bag along with a half cut Sawyer bags for scooping water, I tried out the Katadyn Bee Free but the bags tend to get microholes over time. It's the same issue with the CNOC bag, it gets microholes over time so unless you're a fan of having to keep buying bags. Bee Free also froze on me while out day hiking so I was done with that. Tried the Platypus filter, which I liked. However, I had one that is fairly new that just sat for a few months and when it was time to use it, the flow was very slow. So now, after 8 years of trying to optimize my filtration system, I'm back to my original system, Sawyer filter, Platypus/Evernew bags, and half cut Sawyer bag for scooping water.
Had the same problem with the platypus - put it away for the winter and then it was fried. Haven’t had that issue with the befree. Sometimes they need a good soak to wake up after storage though.
Agree with you wholeheartedly on the single wall tents. Got the Plex Solo for weight savings but ended up hating all the wetness inside the tent. My buddy’s ribbed me mercilessly for constantly wiping down the inside. My go to tent is the Marmot Tungsten UL 1p fully freestanding tent. We love off trail backpacking and frequently are confronted with really limited space to throw up a couple tents. The Marmot has a very small footprint compared to all the single walled trekking pole tents. The Tent needs to accommodate me and my choice of where I want to set it up not the other way around!
Same here with stove and water filter&carry systems. Although still advocating myself to keeping the gas canister stove for different situations (so, why do I still have a multifuel burner😅). And I've also came with a tent "solution": Hilleberg or huge tarp w/ bivy - that setup covers almost my every needs
I picked up the new Zpacks Offset Duo at the tail end of this summer. Used it on two trips and LOVE the steep angles compared to other trekking poles dyneema tents. Offers way more room for us tall guys! 😉
Great Video - thank you. If you can get your hands on a Duplex Lite to try, fixes a lot of those short comings you mention about the altaplex . Love mine. Double pole creates tons of interior space, a great 1+ size. Haven’t had major condensation issues but I try to keep a storm door open if weather permits. So many negative comments online about the rainbow doors, but again I love them. Take a fraction of a second to lay netting inside the tent, tie back the doors, and the whole side of the tent opens up bring the nature in for that morning cup of coffee. Small footprint has come in handy a few times.
Well, looks like my comment got deleted because I was an idiot put a link in. So anyway, I have the Caldera cone. It does work great. Two things. One, you need a platform. You can't just put it on snow as the heat retention will cause the snow to melt, tipping the cone/pot and/or burner/stove. Two, it's bulky. It won't fit inside even a 900ml wide pot. You need another container or bag. My recent find is the "FeatherLight 700 Kit" which is essentially a two part cone paired with 700ml wide Toaks pot. You might be interested in it Kane. Looking forward to your winter adventures this season. Thanks!
Much of the year where I live, you have to use something that you can turn off, so an alcohol store is an no go. Here’s a trick - an airhorn can weighs under 20 g, and has the same thread as a fuel canister. You have to empty it first as much as possible. After you get as much air out as you can, by bleeding it, you can heat it up with water, and that will let you get more of the gas out. Then you use an isobutane transfer valve to fill that can with fuel. It will last for three or four uses like boiling water for coffee.
I have a white gas MSR whisperlight and trangia 27 and a Jetboil Mightymo. The Jetboil failed to vaporize in early spring. My diy cone saved the trip. If it’s going to be below freezing the Whisperlight is the fastest.
I was thrilled to discover that the MSR collapsable canister base fits my SVEA123. Stable as all get-out! I saw one of Dixie's blogs where she was caught in heavy wet snow towards the end of her PCT, Oregon or WA using an UltraPlex? She woke up drenched water on the floor from the low vent netting, sleeping bag wet. Gosh she's one tough gal. I really enjoy watching your confidence setting up your tarp shelter.. Too cool.
I just compared my SVEA to new standard system. The SVEA is only a few oz heavier (the fuel) and it works like a champ below freezing. So it's the BSR/propane in warm weather and the SVEA/white gas in cold. The SVEA packs into Toaks 500-750ml pots too.
Katadyn vs Platypus...I've used both and there's ways to fix this but my Platypus filter NEVER clogged... NEVER!!!! but my Katadyn did plenty of times so... I use the Platypus now.
It's interesting you've managed to make a Katadyn BeFree last over a year... I really love the BeFree for the superior flowrate compared to the Sawyer but I've only ever had a BeFree last one, max, two trips. They always clog up on me and become completely useless. I've tried drying them, cleaning them after trips, etc.
That’s strange… I think you can get unlucky and run some water through that is loaded up with a fine particulate and then you’re toast no matter what brand. It’s happened to me but generally I try to stick to pretty clear water sources.
@@multisportscott yes but my guess is they are essentially the same. The befree retails for 32$ (CAD) and the hydrapak version is 47$. The cap actually looks better on the hydrapak filter but I’ll take the 15$.
Jet boils are a waste of money. 😂 If you're smart then you don't need to filter water all the time. The more you know the less you carry. A lot of backpackers waste a lot of money. The more you know the less you carry. Chairs? Really? What a waste and that shows how soft backpackers are.
It’s kind of disturbing to see you cooking in the vicinity of where you sleep. Bears like the smell of food and you are kind of inviting them in. How about a discussion on the tripod method of sleeping, eating and storing food at least 100 metres apart from each other.
@@darrenjakal I’ve watched bears wander through camp. They know exactly where the food is and isn’t. No food in the tent ever. Camping where people seldom go etc. Boiling water in the morning for coffee isn’t a concern when you’re about to pack up and go.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors Sorry, as an outdoor "influencer" you have a responsibility to your viewers that may not know any better. Showing cooking in your tent gives the wrong impression. Camping where people seldom go is a perfect way to run into a bear that doesn't know any better.
@@darrenjakal An ancient and time tested rule for getting along with others: "Live and let live." (We all agree the world needs change -- but some know it can only begin with themselves, and some feel it should start with others. I must decide for myself which path is best.)
@@gregoryoutdoorsgoogle a converter. I have to go the other way in America for grams to ounces. I was promised metric when I was in school. Never happened.
The other thing I really love about alcohol stoves is how quiet they are. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but it's just nice to be able to hear the birds while you're making coffee.
Thanks for putting this together!
The Trangia 27 I have typically boils the pot in six minutes. It’s sturdy but heavier than my diy cone. I have made several and they are light and great in wind. The cone directs the heat to the pot better. I use a 1/2” tall bottom of a potted meat can as a burner to be able to make the cone short enough to fit in my Trangia pot. Taller burner would require a taller cone. Kept a 1 inch gap from burner to pot in the cone. Used aluminum roof flashing for the cone. After playing with this I want the Trail Designs titanium one that works with alcohol and wood.
my 30 yr plus old trangia is a lovely flame to sometimes just watch and so quiet, i have been teaching my niece and she likes it too, so i bought her a trangia she is 14 yrs old and i think it will last a lifetime, even if she just uses the stove and changes over to a light pot and windshield she loved it when we tested out the stoves.
I agree with your assessment on tents and condensation. I love my Durston X-Mid 2. The double wall design minimizes the dreaded condensation issues. I've learned from you that I can pitch it fly only in the winter or to get out of a storm quickly!
Even a pound of weight savings doesn't make sense to me if your sleeping system gets soaked on a regular basis.
Im using the exact same stove system. I also love how easily i can roll the caldera into the staff sack it came in and how it fits with stove and lighter into the evernew pot. For week long trip, i still use the sotoo windmaster and canister fuel as alcohol amount is getti g too heavy. Bonfus Middus is like a double wall Altaplex; it's still very compact inside but no problem touching the outer, pitch is a breeze and it's bomb proof
I’ve switched to the Evernew water bags. Available in 0,9/1,5/2L.
Also Soto Windmaster for alpine trips, X-Boil for any other occasions.
Rarely have I seen one of these vids where I can relate to all the gear issues, I’ve done same w each piece you mention, the stove, H20 filter w shelter exception, I went to Tarptent , the new poly rainbow is easy, roomy , and very minimal condensation..Tarptent is a solid company, ..also, refreshing to see one of these without it feeling like a commercial 👍🏻
Great coverage on a bunch of gear. For a few years I have been using the Hydroblu Versa Flow filter with a 2L CNOC bag, in a gravity feed configuration. I never felt the need to try another system as it works well for me.
I made my own mini caldera cone out of titanium sheet. I drew it in CAD and printed a template to cut the titanium sheet. It is the stove I have used the most in the last 5 years
Ya condensation in a tight tent is lousy. I will not get a tent with that problem again! Hammocks are my favorite way to sleep, so I always opt for that when possible
After starting out with a Sawyer filter and Platypus/Evernew bag along with a half cut Sawyer bags for scooping water, I tried out the Katadyn Bee Free but the bags tend to get microholes over time. It's the same issue with the CNOC bag, it gets microholes over time so unless you're a fan of having to keep buying bags. Bee Free also froze on me while out day hiking so I was done with that. Tried the Platypus filter, which I liked. However, I had one that is fairly new that just sat for a few months and when it was time to use it, the flow was very slow. So now, after 8 years of trying to optimize my filtration system, I'm back to my original system, Sawyer filter, Platypus/Evernew bags, and half cut Sawyer bag for scooping water.
Had the same problem with the platypus - put it away for the winter and then it was fried. Haven’t had that issue with the befree. Sometimes they need a good soak to wake up after storage though.
Agree with you wholeheartedly on the single wall tents. Got the Plex Solo for weight savings but ended up hating all the wetness inside the tent. My buddy’s ribbed me mercilessly for constantly wiping down the inside. My go to tent is the Marmot Tungsten UL 1p fully freestanding tent. We love off trail backpacking and frequently are confronted with really limited space to throw up a couple tents. The Marmot has a very small footprint compared to all the single walled trekking pole tents. The Tent needs to accommodate me and my choice of where I want to set it up not the other way around!
Same here with stove and water filter&carry systems. Although still advocating myself to keeping the gas canister stove for different situations (so, why do I still have a multifuel burner😅). And I've also came with a tent "solution": Hilleberg or huge tarp w/ bivy - that setup covers almost my every needs
I picked up the new Zpacks Offset Duo at the tail end of this summer. Used it on two trips and LOVE the steep angles compared to other trekking poles dyneema tents. Offers way more room for us tall guys! 😉
Great Video - thank you. If you can get your hands on a Duplex Lite to try, fixes a lot of those short comings you mention about the altaplex . Love mine. Double pole creates tons of interior space, a great 1+ size. Haven’t had major condensation issues but I try to keep a storm door open if weather permits. So many negative comments online about the rainbow doors, but again I love them. Take a fraction of a second to lay netting inside the tent, tie back the doors, and the whole side of the tent opens up bring the nature in for that morning cup of coffee. Small footprint has come in handy a few times.
Only thing about alcohol stoves is the fuel itself gets really heavy on longer trips.
Cnoc bag and Sawyer filter works well catching water in low flow streams (basically mud hole with a trickle)
Well, looks like my comment got deleted because I was an idiot put a link in. So anyway, I have the Caldera cone. It does work great. Two things. One, you need a platform. You can't just put it on snow as the heat retention will cause the snow to melt, tipping the cone/pot and/or burner/stove. Two, it's bulky. It won't fit inside even a 900ml wide pot. You need another container or bag.
My recent find is the "FeatherLight 700 Kit" which is essentially a two part cone paired with 700ml wide Toaks pot. You might be interested in it Kane.
Looking forward to your winter adventures this season. Thanks!
Much of the year where I live, you have to use something that you can turn off, so an alcohol store is an no go. Here’s a trick - an airhorn can weighs under 20 g, and has the same thread as a fuel canister. You have to empty it first as much as possible. After you get as much air out as you can, by bleeding it, you can heat it up with water, and that will let you get more of the gas out. Then you use an isobutane transfer valve to fill that can with fuel. It will last for three or four uses like boiling water for coffee.
Thanks for the great information Kane, I will be checking out those water filters.
I have a white gas MSR whisperlight and trangia 27 and a Jetboil Mightymo. The Jetboil failed to vaporize in early spring. My diy cone saved the trip. If it’s going to be below freezing the Whisperlight is the fastest.
I was thrilled to discover that the MSR collapsable canister base fits my SVEA123. Stable as all get-out! I saw one of Dixie's blogs where she was caught in heavy wet snow towards the end of her PCT, Oregon or WA using an UltraPlex? She woke up drenched water on the floor from the low vent netting, sleeping bag wet. Gosh she's one tough gal. I really enjoy watching your confidence setting up your tarp shelter.. Too cool.
Ha I need to check that... I have a Svea 123 and should take it out or a spin.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors Best winter stove ever.
I just compared my SVEA to new standard system. The SVEA is only a few oz heavier (the fuel) and it works like a champ below freezing. So it's the BSR/propane in warm weather and the SVEA/white gas in cold. The SVEA packs into Toaks 500-750ml pots too.
Katadyn vs Platypus...I've used both and there's ways to fix this but my Platypus filter NEVER clogged... NEVER!!!! but my Katadyn did plenty of times so... I use the Platypus now.
Unfortunately alcohol stoves are effectively banned in Colorado these days. I used to enjoy the tinkering and slow boils at elevation
A double wall tent is definitely worth the weight for me. Nice vid, subscribed
Thanks for the insight !
It's interesting you've managed to make a Katadyn BeFree last over a year... I really love the BeFree for the superior flowrate compared to the Sawyer but I've only ever had a BeFree last one, max, two trips. They always clog up on me and become completely useless. I've tried drying them, cleaning them after trips, etc.
That’s strange… I think you can get unlucky and run some water through that is loaded up with a fine particulate and then you’re toast no matter what brand. It’s happened to me but generally I try to stick to pretty clear water sources.
I agree with 99% of of things you use and say, except the tent, I use Six Moons Lunar Solo and lunar Scout in summer.
Crawling in and out of a bivy isn't much easier than a tent 😂, sometimes harder 😅
@@DerekSOutdoors I made a bug bivy that has a full length zipper in the middle of the netting. Easiest thing to get out of. 60$, 6.5 oz.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors sweet, myog is the best option a lot of the time
Hey Kane. Love your content. Have you ever tried any Trangia stoves? Cheers from Quebec city.
Nice video and valid points. You have a nice voice I must tell you oO
Got me subbed 👊
So to be clear, you are using a BeFree filter unit in the HydraPak Flux flask? Not the HydraPak Filter?
@@multisportscott yes but my guess is they are essentially the same. The befree retails for 32$ (CAD) and the hydrapak version is 47$. The cap actually looks better on the hydrapak filter but I’ll take the 15$.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors Thanks for coming back to me. Interesting that the HydraPak filter is so much more expensive. Cheers from New Zealand!
the old style platypus bags are way better
Welcome to the dark side! Been using one of their beer can pot stores forever. I go with solid fuel. It's almost worth bringing for the comments.
0:37 so the Platypus "came on your face"?!!?🤤
Jet boils are a waste of money. 😂 If you're smart then you don't need to filter water all the time. The more you know the less you carry. A lot of backpackers waste a lot of money. The more you know the less you carry. Chairs? Really? What a waste and that shows how soft backpackers are.
Hey buddy!!! Why is 95% of the world using metric and you use ounces ..good job. Stay FREE.😊
It’s kind of disturbing to see you cooking in the vicinity of where you sleep. Bears like the smell of food and you are kind of inviting them in. How about a discussion on the tripod method of sleeping, eating and storing food at least 100 metres apart from each other.
@@darrenjakal I’ve watched bears wander through camp. They know exactly where the food is and isn’t. No food in the tent ever. Camping where people seldom go etc. Boiling water in the morning for coffee isn’t a concern when you’re about to pack up and go.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors Sorry, as an outdoor "influencer" you have a responsibility to your viewers that may not know any better. Showing cooking in your tent gives the wrong impression. Camping where people seldom go is a perfect way to run into a bear that doesn't know any better.
@@darrenjakal An ancient and time tested rule for getting along with others: "Live and let live." (We all agree the world needs change -- but some know it can only begin with themselves, and some feel it should start with others. I must decide for myself which path is best.)
@@robertphillips93 Jesus is coming, look busy.
@darrenjakal That's funny -- I was under the impression that only we are fooled by outward appearances.
You should check out the x boil. German design. I think you'd like it
Why are you giving weights in ounces? 95% of the world speaks metric.
You’ll live.
Don't skip breakfast. You get cranky.
Exactly give grams, kilograms and meters for lenght for fk sake lol
@@gregoryoutdoors Exactly. Then learn spelling and punctuation to show you're not an idiot.
@@gregoryoutdoorsgoogle a converter. I have to go the other way in America for grams to ounces. I was promised metric when I was in school. Never happened.