That Time Rory Gilmore Was The Villain | Gilmore Girls
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- I loved Gilmore Girls growing up. Now that I'm nearly 30, I feel like the Rory the show sold us was not who she truly was.
Now, I'm sure this topic has been done to death. But here is a video essay where I explain, from my POV, when Rory began to unravel and show her true colors.
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17:18 😭😭😭😭 I always proof all of my videos before uploading and this somehow escaped my eye. Just disregard the out of frame clip here lmaooo
When Rory says “he was mine first!” And “he took the ring off.”
That was the nail in the coffin for me.
After treating him like trash during their relationship?? Like girl..
Dean fully manipulated Rory into thinking that the marriage was over. I’m not saying that the “He was mine first” is valid. It’s awful. But the “he said it was over” argument is.
i remember watching rory COMPLAIN about being “shipped off to Europe” and being enraged. the entitlement just wow
BRO like anyone wouldn't kill to go to Europe for the Summer, FOR FREE? I literally roll my eyes everytime lmao
Yeah but she was starting things up with Dean again
I mean, they were shipping her off tho 😂😂
She was gearing up for another love interest, and they cut her off.
@@no.6377 Not really. She was 19, if she felt like she couldn’t say no that’s on her. Sure, Lorelai had ulterior motives, but it was Rory’s decision.
I SWEAR
I wish every time I messed up someone would pay for me to go on a trip around Europe. That would certainly sort me out.
RIGHT!? Send me to Europe when I fuck up and I'll go gladly 😭😭 don't gotta ask me twice!
I'd be messing up on purpose every few months 😆
haha! same here!
Between gilmore girls and gossip girl there needs to be allocated Europe trips for teen girl problems always
my mother would send me to a convent 😂😂😂
When she didn’t get the journalist job and blamed it on her BOYFRIEND’S FATHER rather than taking all the notes that were given to her and grow… One of the biggest reasons I believe Rory had a downhill was her stubbornness and how unwilling she is to adapt to the environment and situations surrounding her.
Fully there with you. Her unwillingness to see her faults is her biggest character flaw. She continues to do it in the revival, I hated where they took Rory's character.
I also think she outgrew becoming a journalist in college, and instead of pivoting the character, the writers keep her going after a dream her heart isn't in, thats why she fucks up everything in that career. She is a writer not a journalist.
I stooped defending rory a while ago but Mitchum was just straight up mean and that wasn't even a good criticism, he didn't elaborate what he didn't saw in rory, how is she supposed to know what shes not good at if he didn'tpoint it out? (although he was right about it bc she ended up taking a break from yale after one man didn't treated her like the golden girl she was)
@@SnapeArgento Mitchum also had an agenda. But he did point out she didn't 'jump in' with ideas. She just doesn't have the attitude for a reporter. She is a writer not a journalist.
She thinks getting good grades is enough to get into Ivy League? All the students who apply to and are accepted into ivies will obviously have good grades! Having good grades is important but not that impressive. I mean I got good grades in school too.
Rory is the embodiment of Peaked In Highschool
Yanno, I would not have agreed with you before becoming an adult but she truly had so much potential lol
Lory?
Eh, I would say peaked in Yale.
@@jclyntoledo I think the bottom fell out when she turned Logan down. Even Logan knew it...without him, she wasn't going to be able to get there, you know??
Thank you for mentioning the kissing Jess part. In the great scheme of things it was minor compared to later events, but it really was the start of her wanting to have her cake and eat it too. I also hated that she had the nerve to decide to stay with Dean at that point and then act upset that Jess was with Shane.
Of course! I had to mention the first moment I began to question Rory's morals. She was at a WEDDING and Dean was her date! I honestly could not abide, as much as I liked Jess, this moment really made me look at her funny. It was the tip of a very thick iceberg when it came to the terribly selfish things she'd do while in a relationship.
This is what I came here to say. The episode where Lorelei and Emily go to the spa and Jess comes over to the house was just 😬😬😬
At least with that one it's like... normal 17 year old drama bs. Being jealous of the girlfriend of a guy you never even dated, it's stupid but makes sense for 17 year olds. I get it.
Actually!! It started when on *Lorelai's advice* she didn't tell Dean about Tristan kissing her (aaall the way in Season 1) and maintained a cordial relationship with Tristan. I legitimately believe that Lorelai's upbringing is to blame for a lot of the reasons why Rory is the way she is, because Lorelai's growth too was kind of stunted. Gilmore Girls is super interesting like that.
@@pralinec9247 Well, she and Dean were on a break, weren't they?
Lindsay’s mom is the MVP because nothing she sad was wrong and it’s exactly what Rory deserved. Rory is so selfish and entitled and it’s such a shame considering how hard working, kind and focused she was at the start. Rory thinks everyone and everything is hers for the taking.
Also sorry, a one sided breakup isn’t a thing. If you have a really bad fight and don’t communicate at all afterwards, I’d consider that a bad fight that lead to a break up. If you don’t communicate to say that you need some space, how can you assume you’re still together? If Logan thought they were broken up, they were broken up, a break up doesn’t need both parties to agree 😂
I think her behavior early on was an act so that she could control her family easier
Lindseys mom had a right to be mad but I disagreed about Rory single handedly ruining a marriage! Dean helped her in that! They are both equally guilty!
I agree that Lindsey’s mom had every right to be angry, but I’ve never been a fan of blaming the “other woman” when adultery happens. Dean’s the one who made the commitment to Lindsey and then broke it. Rory was single. She definitely should NOT have slept with a married man or believed him when he said it was over. But that makes her stupid, naive, and selfish. Dean slept with someone else when he was still married. He’s fully in the wrong.
@@mossomnessno, it takes two to tango, rory was FULLY AWARE that he was married and WHO he was married with, so she is GUILTY as well, its stupid to call it a “naive” mistake, BOTH cheating and sleeping with a married man KNOWING he is married are equally sh*tty and BOTH were wrong💀💀 not you trying to excuse the other woman when even lorerai could admit she was just as wrong lmao ooh poor rory she is just too innocent and naive and that is why she slept with a married man willingly like cmon you gotta be joking 💀
Honestly I love the encounter with the Gilmore girls and Lindsay's mom bc honestly Lindsay's mom is kinda right and honest and what Rory deserved (in my opinion). I feel like the only thing better is if Lindsay said something like that
For me I started to question Rory's behaviour when she started to ignore Lane. So it was pretty early on. When she kept focussing on Dean and her mom rather than hanging out & talking with Lane. Even when Lane confronts her about it, saying she needed to talk to Rory but she wasn't there for her - Rory apologizes but then proceeded to ignore Lane through most of the series. And of course Rory just got more selfish as the series went on.
In the revival I felt horrible for Paul, they were together 2 years before that point and by the end of the revival it was 3 years. She strung that guy along for 3 years! Any likeable feelings for Rory went away at that point. That's just cruel. And I know the show tried to make it funny but that's just not funny at all. Not to mention the cheating
Oh man she was a terrible friend to Lane. You are definitely right to see the red flag early there. Lane didn't even get much support when she got pregnant and wanted to swear off sex forever. They did her so dirty.
Also... The Paul thing made me livid. It's like the Revival really wanted us to know how shitty Rory remained. And you know what? It succeeded.
Rory never ignored Lane you all ate bitching and moaning foe nothing. I saw Rory hangong out with Lane on her free time. Letting Lane stay with her at the dorm. Come on ttell ne you never fought or ignore your friends.
@@chaoticlizsama oh bull shit Rory was a good friend to her. I bet you are not a great friend to someone.
I can only imagine how hard it must be to see someone state a point you may not agree with. But you could, yanno, maybe comment why you don't agree, and maybe we'd discuss it, cause that's what the whole point of this section is?
Get yourself a snack, you seem cranky.
Yeah I feel bad for Paul lol Rory has a me me me mentality so I'm curious how she would be as a mom when she got pregnant in the revival.. my guess would be she'll take after Christopher, lets Lorelai and Luke take over the responsibilities while still trying to be a famous writer. Also I think Logan is the dad but since he doesn't want to let go of his own responsibilities towards Odette or his dad's company will probably end up being an absent dad too or I just hope they get married in the second season of the revival since they still have feelings for each other anyway lol
It drives me crazy that they have Rory say that her mom slept with her dad when he was engaged to Sherry. She slept with him the night before Sookie's wedding . He and Sherry were taking time apart due to things not going very well. He goes back to her after finding out about the pregnancy.
Oh yeah, she was very wrong for this. I don't know if she truly believed that or wanted the attention off of her, but she was wrong to accuse her mom when that wasn't really how it happened.
And the fact that when Chris told Lorelai he was getting back with Sherry, she cut off contact with him immediately. Rory had no right yo throw that on Lorelai's face.
I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU SAID "She stopped being Rory after she kissed Jess, while still being with Dean".
Gotta say, Looove how Lindasy´s mom put them in their places... I take a bow!!
Lorelei telling Rory that her letter was a good letter despite it saying that she didn’t regret what happened and that what she did hurt someone completely for no reason was still SPECIAL really upset me. It ruined the impact of all her anger about it
RIGHT! Her anger at finding them right after was palpable, and so valid. But the second Rory gets back, it's like she sets it aside because she missed her so much, she just lets shit slide cause he daughter is back. SHE STILL MESSED UP, keep the same damn energy, especially when she hadn't learned anything from hurting someone else. So disappointing.
@@chaoticlizsama lorelai is too easily manipulated by her
@@TheMarkmcr of course! Lorelei was super co-dependent !
The way lorelai treated rory as the victim once she cooled down angered me so much. I felt so sorry for lindsay
Ugh agreed 🥲 great parenting there, Lorelai.
Lorelai's poor parenting angers me even more than Rory's behaviour. when dean cheated on Lindsay with Rory, the blame was very much centred around dean and his bad influence when Rory consented to the sex and played a big part in the affair as well. again when she steals the boat, Lorelai directs the accusations and blame towards Logan when Rory is the one who came up with the idea and basically coerced Logan into joining her. She is never properly held accountable by others, its no wonder she believes she can get away with anything and that everything is already within her reach without her having to put much effort in.
Oh yes, I'm with you. I have a feeling a Lorelai video is due because as bad as Rory was, you could draw a thru line to where she learned it, and also where she never got the lesson really taught to her. Saving your kid from accountability only screws them up in the future, as we've seen with Rory. The affair with Dean was not addressed properly at all. And please don't get me started on the boat....😭 For Lorelai it's always someone else causing it, and not her own daughter.
Quir bitching and naoning
I agree that Lorelei’s parenting is flawed, but I think she’s the only adult who ever pushes back against Rory. In the cheating and boat stealing incidents, both immediately cause huge, weeks/months long rifts between them.
Upon rewatching, there is sort of the theme that Rory’s lack of concern for others starts to increase the more the is exposed to the grandparents’ and the upper class world. I actually wonder if the creators meant for us to see this in her - even if nuanced, every truly rich character in the show is kind of ridiculous in their entitlement.
Oh my god i swear! She was more of a friend than a parent- I posted a video abt this on my channel as well
Omgggg I was LOOKING for this comment! I have always hated the lack of actual parenting from Lorelai’s part! How the world is always wrong, Rory didn’t do a thing and it can always be solved with an apology. Just the lack of consequences that Rory faced to her actions from who was supposed to be her parent but most of the times chose to act like a best friend and didn’t set proper boundaries when needed.
It’s really noticeable how throughout the course of Gilmore girls, you see that there are so many secondary love interests, like Lindsay, Shane, Odette for Rory’s three love interests and even Sherry, that got tossed aside by the men they are seeing in the show the second those men gets a chance to be with the Gilmore girls.
TLDR:No one else’s feelings matter in Gilmore Girls except the Gilmore Girls.
So dang true! It really pops out to you once you realize that this whole time, the writers made it a goal to be with the Gilmore Girls. Everyone else can kick rocks once you have either of their attention. I found it wild that Logan is engaged and pulling this shit but once an adulterer, always an adulterer! And Rory knows this and takes full advantage of it.
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The whole Odette thing with Marty was so cringy. I felt so bad for her. And why did these guys just willingly come running the second they deigned to look at them? Especially Luke and Jess. The girls treated them like trash until they wanted to get with them. Well, maybe not exactly Luke, but Lorelei sure as hell took advantage of him over the years.
They were all doormats for these women, it's insane the crap they were willing to put up with.
@@katemccrea6963 her name was no coincidence
Seeing the two moms fight while their daughters just stand their looks off put, it made it seems like the girls were 14 not 19. Just goes to show they were all too young for a life long commitment like marriage.
Yes you are right they were too young
Okay side note: I really respect Logan for cutting off Rory's expectations. 'You don't want to marry me? Cool no problem, but I'm done being in a relationship with you.' While SHE is still seeing him as her boyfriend, when he is NOT. AND what if Logan and his super wealthy, stunning, 100x smart than Rory fiancé knows about it and she and Logan got an understanding? Logan has ALWAYS been upfront about his relationships no matter how casual they are, fiancé knows and probably has a hottie for herself too, plus I bet how Logan talks about Rory isn't the same how he talks TO her. 'She just my college girlfriend, we bang every once in a while...' Cool babe, kiss.
I mean to be fair, Logan was the only one out of all the men in her life who knew what he wanted with Rory. She just didn't want it and rejected it. Logan was also the most upfront and sure of himself like you said, so it's no surprise to me that he has her on standby. Rory being okay with being a side was really gross but hey, she didn't want him when he asked for her hand and this is all she gets now. She's the one who has to live with that, unfortunately. Logan always knew how to set boundaries so for that, I'll always have a soft spot for him 😂
I completely agree and had come to the conclusion that Odette is the type of wife that the Huntzberger family always wanted for Logan and it was time that he do his job as the only male child and marry and have a son to carry on the name. Odette was chosen for him by his patents and they may have the type of marriage where they each do what they want as long as they keep it secret. Logan realized that he would never really get over Rory until he moved on so he gave in and consented to marry Odette. It was time to grow up and do his family duty. He gave Rory one last chance in the revival to chose him and once again she didn't say anything. She strung Logan along for 15 years.
Oh wow. I hope that's what the situation is 😂
But then how did she end up pregnant? Logan had this arrangement but can't be responsible enough to strap up?
@@no.6377 I'm sure that Logan assumed that Rory was on the pill. They have been sleeping together for 15-20 years. I'm sure that they didn't use condoms with each other or in the revival Rory was a MESS, totally irresponsible, practically unemployed not knowing where she's going to live. She's probably not taking the pill responsibly. She got pregnant.
@@no.6377 The only birth control that’s 100% effective is abstinence. There’s always a risk.
Rory deserved Lindsey’s mom’s speech lmao
Lindsay's mother was the protagonist in that argument haha. No contest. Good for her.
Boy I wish we all had the privilege of being shipped to Europe when we disappoint our parents.😂
Sheeesh ain't that the damn truth 🥲
What's even more hilarious is how Rory scolded Paris for cheating on her bf, then not only did even worse months later but also did the exact same thing Paris did 😅😅
I never thought she was gifted, Sheldon copper is gifted; she is just smarter than the people in the room.
in my opinion her downfall started in s2ep9, when tristan and her were doing the romeo and juliet play, and their kiss was still hanging in the air. she got away with not telling dean with absolutely no consequences. therefore started her mindset that “oh, i can get away with things!”
Which ties in when she cheated on Dean with Jess at Sookie‘s wedding later that season.
@@Kikiricki11 and later her affair with Dean
This is when Rory's character began to change. Everyone wants to blame Logan for who Rory became but Rory was already who she was when she met Logan and she just became more Rory than we knew.
I have seen many people blame Logan and honestly, despite the whole WE WERE ON A BREAK thing I find he's the one out of all of Rory's boyfriends who was probably the best for her. He didn't change her, if anything she tried to change to be able to be with him with the whole casual dating! She was an adulterer before ever meeting him, so I'm with you there
@@chaoticlizsama she is also just as manipulative by pretending that she didn't push him away on thanksgiving
Wwo you sound liike your miss perfect
Yea thats what made me dislike Lorelai. She just blames Logan when Rory does dumb shit. No wonder Rory turned out so entitled.
actually i started seeing her as selfish and hyped for being good when she was with dean and avoiding him to meet jess making dean feel horrible for thinking that she was into jess treating jess so well while making dean feel like he is the one in the wrong all the while jess acting entitled to be disrespectful to dean and getting way too close to his girlfriend. from that moment she showed her true color i remember my friend thinking she and jess were cute and im the one missing the picture it just frustrated me how people decided to be blind to the hurt and disrespect she caused dean. i also dislike dean for breaking his marriage for her after how she treated him.
The Dean/Jess/Rory files... I honestly hated that era. Rory playing around with Dean's emotions while pining for Jess was so hard to watch. I loved Jess but the situation definitely put a damper on their time together. They never even went to prom!
The Dean/Jess/Rory triangle was hard to watch especially when yeah Rory was clearly the bad guy in all that. Had that been the only time Rory pulled something like that, it could've been easy to shrug it off because she's 16 and when you're at that age you do a lot of stupid and hurtful things especially with dating. Unfortunately for Rory and everyone around her, it turned out to be less a "one-off stupid teen stuff" and more the start of pattern for her that she'd continue to do over and over.
@@randomtology At that point she was 17/18 actually.
Yeah I think she was at the point of finishing high school for this stuff. But it definitely should have been corrected early rather than seeing it as a one off. She never learned from her mistakes and now she's a grown ass woman making the same mistakes
@@randomtology but the thing is at that age everyone were hyping her as the kind angel who hurt nobody what wa really special about her being studious? paris was more hardworking, lane the more thoughtful and present friend u know
The whole affair situation was a mess but I'm glad she found that letter. Chances are he might've kept quiet about it since Rory let him go and she wasn't an option anymore. She deserved to know the truth.
I completely agree with every single word you said here.
When I was in my upper-twenties I dated a girl who loved Gilmore Girls. I watched it with her, including the Netflix revival. I was distressed that my girlfriend and her sister seemed to be "Team Lorelai" and "Team Rory" no matter what happened. Lorelai abandons her wedding with Max Medina and offers no communication to him about her feelings? That's fine. Rory cheats on Dean with Jess? That's fine. Lorelai sleeps with a man who is engaged? That's fine. Rory serially cheats on Paul for an entire year instead of just ending things? That's fine.
Lorelai and Rory are hedonists; whatever feels good or validating, just do it. Rory in particular is vile: she appears to have no genuine remorse for hurting others, instead merely having a regret because of the complications her sins have caused her.
I feel like the desire to be team Rory or Lorelei definitely stems from growing up watching them. Back then, I also felt like they could do no wrong. They were the Gilmore Girls! You could never have made me hate them when I was younger. I think growing up comes with the tools to really look deeper into what was going on. I never hated Rory more than I did during my rewatch as an adult, while I still enjoyed the show, the flaws really started to peak through. The Revival only cemented my adult opinions. I actually think I have to do a Revival retrospective cause Jesus Christ, the release of that is my Roman empire.
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@@chaoticlizsama Absolutely, thank you for the response. And well said.
The moment that honestly did it for me was even earlier. I know she was young when it happened but her blatant fixation on Jess was really disrespectful to Dean, like right in front of his face. I know dean wasn’t perfect, but honestly he was just too infatuated with her and behaved hurt because he gave her all of his attention and she never returned it fully. In that moment I knew she was just very selfish. It isn’t the fact that she was attracted to another person, but that she did no effort to ease the transition. She cheated on Dean when she kissed Jess at Suki’s wedding. Then went back to someone who she knew she had power over.
Totally, I find everyone's cementing moment to vary! She had no regard for anyone's feelings in the times with Jess. The fact that Dean had to dump her impulsively at a dance in front of the town because she was too blind to see her OBVIOUS attraction to someone else was so hard to watch... The cheating at Sukis wedding was definitely where I started to look at her differently.
@@chaoticlizsama and I just want to add that she literally started a relationship with Jess the next day after she got dumped by Dean hahahaha that must've stung his ass
Rory is a great character but a terrible person
Yea dean gets sooo much hate and most of it is warranted but rory NEEDED to be held accountable too-
For me it was when she missed Lorelai’s graduation. In that moment, I knew that Rory absolutely sucked as a human being. Her mom has dedicated her entire life to her, and Rory couldn’t be bothered to celebrate Lorelai THIS ONE TIME.
@@rachaelerin1 yeah, especially bc she was the one to encourage her mother to celebrate her graduation by going to the ceremony. Lorelei didn’t want to, but Rory deciding that THAT was the day to risk traveling alone to a foreign city and take that risk to again CHEAT on dean, EMOTIONALLY, yeah no you’re right that should have been my sign.
I completely agree with you that that scene is where the downfall of rory started. Especially since she doesn't acknowledge that sleeping with was wrong and that her mother was correct in was she was saying
For Rory, there is always someone else at fault. It always made me angry that she didn't see how what she and Dean did to Lindsay was terrible. Yes it was Dean's marriage, and his responsibility to care about, but she played a part. To her, the most important thing is that her virginity was lost with someone she loved. How blind can you be lol
Thank you for making this video essay, I loved listening to you laying out the events of the cheating! Honestly, I also kinda hate how Rory blatantly misrepresented the facts of Chris and Lorelai cheating; him and Sherry weren’t engaged yet, and he didn’t know she was pregnant when they slept together. Rory twisting these ‘facts’ in her favour during the fight with Lorelai cements Rory’s bratty behaviour. She wants to be a JOURNALIST and twists facts in her favour? She’ll fit in perfectly. 😅
If only that was all she needed to actually be good at journalism. She'd have at least a small career 😂
Rory twisting the facts made me wonder if she truly was trying to divert attention from herself or if that's just really her recollection of it... Because despite Sherry being in the picture, Lorelai did not help him cheat. She heard directly from Chris that it was over for them, and Chris actually left Lorelai to go back with Sherry because he felt it was the right thing to do, accept that he's got a kid on the way. Dean never left Lindsay and it's unfortunate she was slightly manipulated here but she never did ask for concrete proof.... It just felt like this was the wrong thing to throw at someone who is correcting you for good reason.
One of my biggest problems with Rory is how EVERY guy she dates...or is friends with..becomes hung up on her. Dean, Jess, that guy at Yale she was friends with before Logan, then Logan....not one of them ever "gets over her" to the detriment of their own lives and future relationships, like she can do no wrong. This kind of character writing is what makes the show cringey, because despite all of her mistakes, entitlement behaviors, and lies, she's still seen as this golden calf to these guys.
But, the same could be said for Lorelei.
Guy from Yale is Marty. She is very cute looking and is very smart, but she is also very self centered and a terrible girlfriend (serial cheater). Marty probably got over her at some point after not seeing her around for while and cutting contact. The other guys dont seem to forget her because she still keeps being a presence in their life
Good point, I'd also add that the whole 'never gets over' them is part of the fantasy of Gilmore Girls. They never gain weight, eat terrible food in unhealthy quantities, and everyone falls in love with them forever.
"I set one crappy example for you" meanwhile she never holds rory accountable even when she's plainly stating " I did it" for example the car accident with Jess. She tells her in one way or another "even when you do wrong you do know wrong" then is shocked that rory doesn't understand she did wrong.
Yes, Lorelai really fucked up by never allowing Rory to be accountable for her own mistakes. Even when it actually is Rory's fault, it's not. Like the boat incident. Blaming Logan when she basically coerced him into that. Rory never gets blamed for a damn thing.
@@chaoticlizsama it's ridiculous. Everyone wants to ask when did rory go wrong??.... when didn't she? The way she turned out makes complete sense! I never understood why all these guys were crazy for her or why she was viewed as so perfect. Paris with all her nuttiness and lane with her restrictions were FAR better.
Lorelai made heaps of mistakes. Don't know why depriving her daughter of healthy food is never addressed.
I feel like Lorelei definitely started seeing the cracks in her outlook of Rory, as someone who could do no wrong, right around when she started noticing how Rory kept inadvertently hurting Dean by constantly toeing the line between being friends and more-than-friends with Jess.
At the end of the day, Lorelei knew that first loves don't always last forever and she understood that was a possibility with Rory and Dean, and that Rory might eventually move on to someone new. But I think she was really sort of bemused when Rory kept hanging out with Jess and blowing Dean off, because the right thing for somebody to do in a relationship who's getting pursued by someone else would be to tell that someone else to back off, right?
But Rory wasn't doing that, and she kept hurting Dean by NOT doing that and dragging her thing with Jess out, and Lorelei was visibly torn on multiple occasions as to whether or not she should intervene and stick up for the person being hurt by the situation, Dean, even if that meant her own daughter was the 'bad guy' of the situation.
I mean, one of the scenes I remember most vividly from the show is Lorelei coming home to see Dean sitting on the porch, essentially defeated, and him saying "she likes Jess, doesn't she?" even though he doesn't really need a confirmation. And you can just see how much Lorelei pities him in that moment, because she really likes Dean and doesn't want to see him hurt, but the person who is hurting him, is Rory.
Yes! I remember the scene on the porch, and it was a really painful one to watch. It also reminded me of an earlier scene when they're (Dean and Lorelei) standing outside Luke's looking into the window at her flirting with Jess while paying for their tab. I can't remember what was said but it had to be Lorelei reassuring Dean that they were just friends when you can tell that even Lorelei kind of doesn't believe it. These episodes show that there were a few big missed opportunities to correct some of those behaviors early on but they just kept going unchecked.
I really like listening to you. Your voice is so calm and even and you remain so collected while you are talking about the character
That is so sweet, thank you!
Rory is the classic big fish is a small pond. She's not that intelligent, she's maladjusted, entitled, incompetent, and a liar.
The way Rory treated Dean when she was interested in Jess told me everything about her. Rory wants everything for herself at the expense of everyone around her. The fact that Lorelei tells everyone that Rory doesn't ever lie put Lorelei's blindness up and center.
When watching the show as a child, I didn't really get why Chris was Rory's father, but as the show progressed it made perfect sense. Chris wanted to have Sherry and Lorelei and was actively trying to talk Lorelei into staying with him when his girlfriend was pregnant. Rory does the same thing with Logan.
Her manipulative personality is just who she is instead of a result of her upbringing
Well, wait a sec, because your upbringing is definitely a contributing factor to who you grow up to be... She did have some pretty bad examples to look at. And you know what... Rory now is a result of all of them. Had she maybe stopped to reflect, be a little more aware, maybe the end would have been different! The manipulative aspect has come from years of being allowed to just do whatever with no consequence, sadly 🥲
That’s what bugged me about Lorelai. I understand that Rory’s her daughter, but she always made Rory looked better than she actually was. Lorelai tells Sherry that Rory “lives up to the hype.” She tells Emily that Rory would “never” steal, when in fact Rory told Lorelai she had stole a towel from the country club.
@@merdelune9 I think that Lorelai views Rory through rose colored glasses because Rory was this hopeful thing that wasn't tainted by the abuse, neglect, and mistakes that the rest of her life was. Rory was a new start and someone who Lorelai could live vicariously through. Someone who could be better than both her parents. You can see, especially in the YITL continuation that Lorelai tries to push Rory into working and making decisions and doing her best. It's something she's been doing all the girl's life. She lies for Rory, she hypes her up and is her biggest PR rep because she needs Rory to be different. But just like Lorelai turned out to be her father, Rory turned into hers.
I disagree about the intelligent part she was definitely a very bright girl academic wise
I really enjoyed hearing your point of view on this and I agree with everything you said. For me Rory's complete downfall happened when she continued sleeping with Dean after she saw how much she had hurt Lindsay. Rory's a really smart girl which is why I believe she should have been held a lot more accountable by people in her life because she completely understood how bad the things she did were but acted like she didn't.
Thank you for watching! Honestly it made me so angry to see Rory just completely avoid being in the wrong about it. Even after walking past a conversation with the butcher and seeing how badly Lindsay wanted to make it work. None of that phased her! All she wanted was to do as she pleased and no one ever called her out for it. It's why the scene with Lindsay's mom actually gave me joy. She needed to hear it.
Lindsey’s mom is the true hero of this show. 🤘🏼
I was actually happy that the letter was found bc Lindsay deserved to know but i do wish rory had a harder "punishment" than just feeling remorse and being yelled at in the square.
I really like this video, because it is possible to see Rory for who she really is without "hating" the character. She isn't the golden child. She is as human as everyone else is. What is actually sad is, that she doesn't grow. She's 32 in the revival and she's the same person. Not only is she the other woman again, she thinks it's okay. And why does she? Because she was never really held accountable for her actions. She made a mistake and everyone just shove it aside, because it was never Rory's fault. Dean getting clingy and possessive? Dean's fault. It wasn't like she was ignoring and lying to him just to be with Jess. Crashing the car. Wasn't her fault, right? It was Jess who drove the car, so it's clearly his fault - even if he gave her the choice and SHE made the choice to keep driving. Stealing the yacht - was Logan's fault. Absolutely. I can see that. *sarcasm intensifies* I'm honest: I don't like the person Rory becomes when she's with Logan. But she'S her own person, right? Everyone is always saying how smart she is. But as soon as there is any kind of trouble, no one seems to think that she has a brain and can think for herself. And seeing the Revival, it is almost as if she can't. But we have to acknowledge, that it isn't all Rory's fault. Lorelai was her role model after all, and she wasn't giving the best example. She dragged Christoper and Luke along the whole time. Jumping from one to the other. Jumping from man to man because she couldn't make up her mind. Max or Luke? Alex or Max? Or maybe a little Christopher in between?!
All of this aside: I think that's why we love it. They are human. Making mistakes, fighting, forgiving, making up, and after everything is said and done, they still love each other. That's the beauty and the problem. Jess, for example. As you just said: Rory doesn't deserve the eyes he's giving her, and I will never forgive the writers for making him this pining idiot - still hung up on her, when all he should be doing is giving her the cold shoulder, after how she treated him, and how much blame he took for the downfall of their relationship - when it was both of them. The show pictures that even after you fuck up big time, there's always a way back - but that's not the case. Sometimes there isn't a way back. That should've been the case with Jess and Rory. Rory and Christopher. Christopher and Lorelai. I mean...Excuse me? She sends him a mail that she's getting married? It's none of his business. It's just love to hate, and hate that we love it...
I absolutely loved this video! Thank you for this beautiful commentary.
Thank you so much for watching! I appreciate the comment ❤️
So we were all rewatching gilmore girls about two weeks ago? My people fr
Really interesting commentary. I never thought of the turnaround w/ Logan. Thank you for sharing :-)
Thanks for watching! ☺️
Watching Alexis Bledel's performance as Rory, I sometimes feel like it inspired Kristen Stewart's performance as Bella.
Shit you may be right! Tweens at the time would say Bella was the original chick with two dudes hanging off her but forget Rory set the stage 😂😂
1)deans trash
2) Rory’s is dead wrong for that letter
3) Lorelei should’ve never defended Rory for that situation that’s why she thinks she didn’t do anything wrong
YES. Lorelai being so quick to defend her definitely didn't help matters. Girl didn't learn a damn thing.
THEY WERE ON A BREAK!😂 Seriously though for me a break is a break-up unless the other person defines it as both of us will not see other people. My ego is kinda fragile when in love, so I take a break as a “I wanna see if I’ll be happier if I break up with” and kind of begin getting ready to be dumped🥺😭 Let’s be honest if she got with Jess now and then ran into Logan somewhere she’d cheat on him.
LOL love the friends reference here. Honestly they both didn't speak for weeks on end and not once did she think to call or discuss... it may not have been a clean break but she was just as checked out at that point. She seems to always be looking for the next best thing for her, and completely disregarding what she currently has and cultivating it. She would SO cheat on Jess for Logan, I could totally see that 😂 she's just as indecisive as her mom in this regard.
What bothers me about the Europe thing is that Lorelai is apparently the one who suggests to Emily that rory should go then seems hurt when Rory wants to go 💁🏽♀️
Lorelai is someone I'm going to have to do a character study on cause that woman makes no damn sense. That bothered me too lmaoo
Things that bugged me was when rory had said she'd called her mom when she about to have her first time so they could discuss if rory was ready, like the pros & cons, and Lorelei agreed to it. that's just not normal, that was clear indication to me Lorelei had a special kind of controlling tactic, by being a smother but disguised as daughter's best friend. The other 1 was when rory was planning to drop out & brought up how expensive Yale was, Lorelei was like 'are u paying for it' meanwhile she was fully aware that rory took a loan from her grandparents in order to afford it, so yeah rory was kinda paying for it.
The first time I saw this scene, I turned to look at my mom and went, "How does one borrow that?"
I didn't feel the same way during that scene when Lorelai gets home right after Rory and Dean slept together... When I watched that I felt bad for Rory because I saw a young girl who seemed to have just gotten completely manipulated by her married ex. Like she literally lost her virginity to a married man of course she knows how bad that is but because it's Dean, it's comfort, it's all she knows of long term, loving relationships, she's trying to justify it in her head. So when her mom comes along and brings down the reality hammer, it makes her cognitive dissonance about what's just happened even WORSE, and thus, of course she's going to be upset and defensive. It can be really hard to come to terms with how someone who makes you feel that safe and comfortable can also be someone who lies about it being over with his wife and cheating on her without Rory even being fully aware that it was like that.
I still have to finish GG but I started rewatching it from the beginning a couple months ago. It's like watching it for the first time though for me because as a child when I saw episodes here and there on TV my only interest were the cute boys that Rory dated and any time "old people" were on screen I would lose interest haha
I understand that POV. Honestly when I was younger, this is how I saw it. I felt really bad for Rory. But watching it more recently, I noticed how close they were getting before the cheating occurred and honestly, Rory was getting into really bad territory when she was commenting on Dean's choices in his own marriage. She was definitely young but she was crossing boundaries before ever sleeping with him. Dean even mentions that Lindsay is uncomfortable with their friendship, but they continue seeing each other. So many factors here but I still maintain Rory wasn't the only one who fucked up here lol they both fucked it up terribly for themselves.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! ❤️
@@chaoticlizsama actually yeah that is true!! Rory definitely could have set some better boundaries herself with him. Live and learn i guess 😂
I would have told my daughter....you do not need to write anyone a letter. The best thing you can do is stop all together and find another man. One that is not married to anyone else. I would have also asked Lindsey's mom to step aside and let those two grown women talk or yell it out.
you got me, I have to watch the serie again
I mean lorelie's love life does serve as the ultimate example for rory. Time and time again the parents are the real example by which most kids live their lives, separated parents, unfaithful marriage, a parent who's not in the picture, all these things and more factor into the way the child thinks and acts later into life. Rory for all her privileges lacked a stable parental guide, her mother went through relationships left and right, her father wasn't in the picture most of the time and wasn't the best example of a good man, and her grandparents bicker most of the time. There was not a set example of a healthy stable relationship in her life to show her what it looks like and how it happens and works.
Now I'm not neglecting her responsibility, there is an age of accountability, but this is a build up of bad parenting on the grandparents' part, bad parenting of loreli's part (making a bad choice and having a child too young to know how to raise her right), and rory basing her choices really on how she sees her mother function in relationships.
This is a testament to how important it is to have a stable, happy, & healthy marriage if for nothing else than for your kids to have a good example for their own relationships.
Yes, I completely agree with you! Lorelai being the parent that she was to Rory and exposing her to those moments definitely affected her. She is even considering raising her child alone in the Revival due to what she saw in the past, and that is NOT ideal. Being hyper independent can be a problem and Lorelai has always lacked the ability to ask for help when she needs it. Unless it involves Rory. She definitely didn't have the best example of what a loving partnership looks like, and it was to her massive detriment.
Just dropping by to say your voice is so calming.
That's one of my favorite compliments 😭 thank you!
I think people forget how young Rory is for the majority of the show. You make mistakes and wrong decisions when you're young, that's how you learn
I was young too and i dont make that kind of mistakes. She knows perfectly at 18 years that cheat is bad. And she did. There is no justification for that.
She was old enough to know right from wrong. I think young people like her have an opportunity to become better and make things right, but wrong is wrong.
I’ve just found your channel through this video and I really enjoyed it! I have such an internal conflict about Rory - I both love her and I hate her. Gilmore Girls is definitely my comfort program. You should do another video on the revival and how both Rory & Lorelai haven’t really grown in the years - Rory is Logan’s mistress while been with Paul, Lorelai and Rory fat shaming at the pool, Lorelai and Luke still having a lack of communication in their relationship. I think Emily evolved for the better though from the original series to the revival
Unrelated but I love your tattoos
Thank you! I am hoping to complete that sleeve this year ❤️
I am actually doing another video this week about Lorelai... Im touching on a few of those topics but maybe a Revival centric video is a good idea... Thanks for the comment!
After Lorelei picked up Rory from the police station, it was an opportunity for Lorelei to be the ultimate mother. But she totally folds when Rory can't believe she stole a boat and briefly self-chastises herself. Lorelei could have reinforced the mistake and articulate her deep disappointment and to emphasize that that's not how she raised Rory and how Rory is behaving like a rich kid. But she didn't and, in a way, it gave Rory permission to make mistake and not feel too badly about it.
This was so well said. I definitely agree with you. She made a massive life altering mistake and her privilege is what prevented her from spending time in jail for what she did. She's extremely lucky, and her mom could definitely have hammered home the point. Instead, it made her even worse.
“To everyone she will always be Rory, but to the audience, she stopped being Rory after she kissed Jess while still being with Dean.” THAT. THAT RIGHT THERE. Poetic and nothing but pure honesty.
Great points. This is where I stopped watching the show as it aired. It’s also a comfort show for me and I’ve since seen the series several times through. I also can’t believe she brings Lorelei into the argument r/t Christopher. What I remember is Christopher telling Lorelei him and Sherry were done, and he didn’t know she was pregnant.
Yes, I think Rory was so wrong to bring that up because Chris had told Lorelai he wanted to try to be a family again. For God's sake, even Chris didn't know Sherry was pregnant until after he said that to Lorelai, when he found out, they were both devastated. He ended up having to take it all back and go be with Sherry as to not be an absent father again. They were not the same thing at all! I was so mad at her lol
The RUclips algorithm has me figured out. Just finished my first watch-through of Gilmore Girls. Rory is SOOOO problematic. Honestly, it’s what happen when you grow up with no real consequences.
Literally, you don't learn a damn thing if there's no consequences for the things you do. And Rory was barely ever told she didn't do something right. It's where she got the complex from when someone finally did call her out. She just freaks out.
When she started accepting money from her grandparents is when she became a person who might be a lost cause.
I’ve known narcissistic, arrogant, coddled, spoiled girls like Rory and the cheating, especially with married or taken men, is definitely a theme. They really think they’re such perfect wonderful little princesses that they HAVE to have what they want the second they want it. They have to have the taken man, they have to be the more desirable, better woman. It’s essentially a form of throwing a tantrum, and nothing sends them into a downward spiral faster than being rejected or being cheated on themselves.
Because how could it happen to THEM? They are so special and perfect and everyone loves them so much, that even men who are already married want them first. That’s also why attempting to talk sense into them never works either. They’re perfect, so why would they listen when you tell them they’re wrong?
It’s a sad thing, but girls like that have to be humiliated and have to be hurt to finally see sense and grow up.
Great video. Rory's a cheater and she has no personal grit. Very disappointing when she started off as such a sweet and strong kid.
So disappointing! Paris was right about valedictorians eventually failing in life lmfao Rory is flailing in the wind.
Paris is a cheater too so is Dean and Logan. Whats your point.
@@lauriecarson6483 Jess. >
I think the problem lies in Lorelais "parenting". The more i watch Rory the more i believe she never had set bounderies by any others than her. I think Lorelai got lucky that Rorys self set boundaries had aligned with social standards and being affirmed by everyone around her that she is doing right. Hence when Lorelai kind of makes clear that Rory crosses boundaries and implies negative consequences of course there is push back. Problem is that rory never feels any real consequences to her actions. Without consequences, there is no learning. In her mind she never did anything wrong, because she set the parameter of acceptable behaviour herself and no one really says anything against it.
See the trick is if u grew up worried over money for whatever reason, rory was always the villan
Haha I've noticed a similar sentiment on the subreddit. Seeing her be so ungrateful for all the things afforded to her because she was lucky enough to have grandparents with money who cared about it, it was very easy to dislike her 😂
Lol She is a brat whether your parents had a country club membership or not.
Watching as an adult made me realize Rory sucks, makes the worst decisions just like her momma
Honestly... yeah. She really is her mother's daughter. She doesn't learn from her mom's mistakes, she just makes them and says "but you did it too!" 😭😭😂
You've got such a calming voice, oh my goodness. Subscribed and looking forward to more commentary vids! Also you have great taste in anime #theonepieceisreal 😤
Aww thanks, I appreciate that! Great to see a fellow one piece fan in the wild! ❤️
Yesssss. New sub. It threw me into a GAAAAHHHH love/hate relationship with Rory in that episode
This episode was truly messed up, definitely made me dislike her a bit too 😂
I hate Rory in the reboot bc she is full time villain. I mean, not remembering her boyfriend…that’s cruel, but also sleeping with a married man (again), and thinking she’s owed a job smh.
In the show she’s a villain many times. From fat shaming/bullying a dancer to cheating to egging a guy’s car with her mom (idc. That’s rude). Idk, when u look at the stats, she is not a good person
And violating lorelai's privacy with her book plan
You can look at it from many angles and Rory still comes off looking pretty damn bad. The dancer review from college was so blatantly rude lmao there is a massive difference between being objective and being hateful, to then blame it all on her being honest was ridiculous! 😂
As an OG watcher (not really a flex- am old. Lol XD) who watched the series in real time, and saw the steady decline of the mythos of Rory, I was initially pleased by her bad choices- including the kissing of Jess while she was with Dean. I like when a character evolves, including if that means shaking off a "good girl, perfect" image (in quotes because, let's face it, no such thing as perfect). But where I started to get off the train was when she STOPPED evolving. Other characters had up and down arcs that were wonderful- Paris is a perfect example. That girl hopped on and off the villain train like a pro, because although her mannerisms were anything but realistic, she herself as a character WAS. She took circumstances and reacted to them, grew from them... and sometimes made mistakes because of them. You saw her evolve. Rory didn't have that same journey. I think you hit the nail on the head as to why so many people had a bit of a sour taste in their mouth after their revival- they didn't see their girl get that final arc she needed; she'd just dug her heels in and never grew.
I don’t like violence but Rory probably never changed for the simple fact that Lindsay didn’t touch her
I think it was good to send her to Europe. She cooled down, she couldn’t mess up things with Dean (well not until the letter) more than she did while home, and she gained perspective. She spent time with Emily (could be good or bad thing). Change of scenery can be a good thing. Maybe not to the other continent necessarily but just go away and have time to process..
I love your Gilmore girls content keep it up!
Thank you! So appreciated ❤️
In this instance Rory and Dean were perfect for eachother
You know, you aren't wrong lmao they were both massive scum bags in this instance
You did an excellent job.
Okay but like also Rory didn’t talk to Logan for like a month and a half straight. A guy who’s never been in a relationship before is not gonna think that they’re just taking some time at that point. Especially with the way that he had to win her over at the beginning of the next semester?? They were broken up no matter how she tries to frame it, you don’t take a month of “space” from your partner without communicating it as such
thank you for sharing! ❤️
Idk why Lindsay's mom is so pissed at Rory when she should be pissed at her daughters husband. Like Rory doesn't owe anything to them but Lindsay's husband does and yet they're more pissed at Rory than Dean??
Haha to be honest, it would have been great to see what she said to Dean. Cause I don't think she was pleasant. It definitely bothers me that the women always tend to be pitted against each other, when Dean very much manipulated the situation to look like he was leaving Lindsay... when that was not the case lol
@chaoticlizsama I totally agree Dean manipulated the situation. Yes, Rory should have waited until she had *proof* he was leaving Lindsay. (And carrying on with him when she found out he hadn't left her was horrible.) But the affair was still Dean's fault. I hope Lindsay's parents gave him hell.
Honestly I hope so too. The way Dean's parents reacted to Rory coming back into Dean's life is all I needed to see to know that disappointment was had in that home for their son. I can only hope Lindsay's mom gave Dean a whole spiel cause that woman adored him only to have her daughter hurt in the end!
Well, we don't know that she was more pissed at Rory. We didn't see her mom react to Dean. And while Dean had the greater responsibility, Rory *did* owe something to Lindsay. The same thing I owe anybody to not knowingly hurt them. The person in the relationship is the most at fault but you don't have to make vows to be wrong.
@@chaoticlizsama It was Deans fault for cheating on his wife and is blaming it on Rory because he was just as guilty as Rory!
I say this a lot, and people think I'm somehow defending Rory's actions, but I actually love what they did with her character.
With that I mean, I love her from a character writing point of view, not that I think she is a wonderful person.
Rory is a perfect mirror to someone like me, a white woman that grew up with stability in a society that has a white woman's back most of the time. It is hard to recognize your own privilege, and it feels discrediting when you have made your effort and others tell you that you probably had it easier than most people, and like Rory, we often miss that we had stuff handed to us at times, because there was a small struggle that we managed to see as something bigger than it really was. The way in which it hurts to see Rory is healthy, because it challenges us to look at ourselves and question if we have maybe acted that way or we threw a tantrum for not being handed things we up until that point have taken for granted. We really need to learn and heal from this and not just label everyone that makes us upset a narcissist. Rory is ignorant, not narcissistic. She is not lacking in empathy, she is just used to her emotions being more important to the world than the emotions of other people, and I love how we have this beautiful and smart woman, and see that beauty and intellect doesn't make perfect people. It can in some cases even make a nasty person.
Thanks for the vid! Great analysis.
Not defending Rory about the summer in Europe but her initial reaction might have been because she wouldn’t get to continue her relationship with Dean if she wanted to. But she really to clear her head. Do the distance was good.
I stand by the fact that Logan didn’t cheat. Rory feels like she can throw people away and then get them right back as soon as she feels like it again.
After seeing the show entirely, when I go back its pretty clear this character flaw is being set up from the very beginning with the dynamic of her relationship with Lane when Rory starts crushing on Dean.
Well, Christopher was not engaged to Sherry. He expected to break up with her when she got back from her business trip. He told Lorelai he wanted to be with her and be in his daughter's life. _Then_ he got a call from Sherry that she just found out she was pregnant, and he chose to stay with Sherry. Yes, Christopher and Lorelai should have waited, but it wasn't exactly the situation Rory paints. This might be because Rory didn't really know what was going on, but, as Lorelai pointed out, Rory could learn from a mistake instead of copying it.
honestly Rory started being a villain in my eyes as soon as she went to that academy and then Harvard she was literally a super villain
I feel like Amy Sherman- Palladino made it her mission to sabotage Rory. I always got vibes that she didn't really like Alexis.
If that's the case, they fully destroyed any hope for Rory being a good person. She could have still become an evolved person by the end of the show but instead they have her reject Logan and pursue a tough career she didn't have the chops for. Maybe it was a writing vendetta 🥹
Nicely done. Great analysis.
Thank you so much! I appreciate that ❤️
I have never seen a protagonist of a series be so awful like Rory. Yes she’s “human” and not a perfect person but my god. If a person in ur life was like Rory you would cut them out of ur life too, for good reason. Just bc a character is “human” does not mean they are a good example. She had such a problem with Logan cheating when he genuinely thought they had broken up, and that is grounds for anger…an yet she seen nothing wrong with what she did with Dean to his wife. Until that is, it humiliated her. Tbh I have never watched Gilmore Girls and I have no desire to purely bc of Rory lol.
Rory even got a free europe trip to think about stuff and she took most of it as punishment instead of the gift it was. Her mother was absolutely right for complaining about Rory being a cheater. Rory was wrong, took a lot of time to even apologize (which she did not do properly) and then she just keeps cheating on literally every romantic relationship she engages with. She was very shitty to Lindsay (that deserved a lot better than what she got thrown at her during the show)
Rory treated Dean like trash the first time they were together and that cycle didn't get any better. Yes, he was manipulative and borderline emotionally abusive, but she should've been honest with him about Jess from the beginning. But that set the pattern for her relationships with men and it never got better, and I think she DID pick it up from how her mom treated Max, Luke, even Chris as kind of disposable the minute things got hard. Neither of them were great at accepting responsibility, though Lorelei was obviously slightly more grounded than Rory. But I'll never forget Rory crying to Lane at the end of season seven when she's having trouble finding a job about the worry and pressures everyone, including the town, placed on her. It was an impossible standard for anyone to reach, really. But in the Revival, that Rory honestly pissed me off to no end. Showing up to that interview unprepared? Forgetting she had a boyfriend even when he WAS IN HER HOUSE? Whining about how much the industry changed? And as someone who works in journalism, I can vouch that it has definitely changed. I'm a video editor, but there's very few single position jobs anymore. They expect you to be multi media journalists to cut costs because everything's digital. The show didn't really do a good job of showing just how much journalism changed, imo. It hinted at it, but only vaguely. And talked down so much about digital journalism when it was kind of at its height, which would've been a big reason why she probably wasn't getting hired if that was her attitude going into interviews. Sorry for the rant, the show hits a little close to home lol. But even in the end, she still had a career and a huge mansion handed to her on a silver platter, so what was the over all journey? And to find out that this was how the show was always supposed to end was extremely disappointing, to say the least.
Oh never apologize about a GG rant, we are in the same boat here! I felt the same way about Revival Rory. Being extremely unprepared and then expecting to get the position, not knowing WHAT she was in for, it was so disappointing. To know that this was the plan for her journey the whole time makes me even more disappointed.
@@chaoticlizsama The fact that even ten years later, she still was having opportunities handed to her off of "one piece in the NYT" was hilarious tbh. That was probably the most unrealistic part, along with her lifestyle in general given how expensive NYC was. They didn't even talk about how she afforded to live there, but one could guess she was living off the trust fund from Gran which she definitely would've blown through. I know "its a show, don't take it too seriously," but then millennial get compared to her all the time and its seriously one of the most annoying things. That or Hannah from Girls who is truly terrible.
@@chaoticlizsama Side note, I'd love to see your take on Jane from The Bold Type and if I'm just crazy that she's this generation's slightly less privileged version of Rory.
I've never watched that show, but I'll definitely add it to my watch list. I've been looking for something new to sink my teeth into! Always looking for something to cover for the channel as well 💞
@@chaoticlizsama It's available on Hulu and a pretty quick binge tbh. I don't see a lot of people cover it which Is weird considering how popular it was
I don't think that this is the actual moment where her downfall began. Everything that happend with Jess wasn't better at all. She played with both boys. And she finally decided to dump Dean for Jess. I think the first moment where she noticed she can do things like that and doesn't have to deal with consequences is when she kissed Tristan (nothing wrong with that. Dean broke up with her) and she decided to hide it from Dean. She could've told him. But she decided to lie and to manipulate instead. She decided to actively hide an incident that took place when she was single and make it a cheating. And everything that happend with Jess was based on the day Tristan and Dean met after the incident and she told Tristan specifically not to tell Dean.
I always forget about poor Tristan! Dean never did find out about what happened with that and you know what... The pattern only continued and got worse.
I get what your saying but Dean had broken up with Rory at that point so she shouldn't have had to tell him that she kissed Tristan. It wasn't cheating and it didn't really mean anything to her so why should she have had to tell Dean. I think Rory and Dean were both in the wrong during their relationship. Overall I really didn't like why Dean originally broke up with Rory for not being able to say I love you to him just because he was ready to say it so I don't think she was in the wrong for the whole kissing Tristan thing. For me Rory's downfall began when she slept with Dean and kept sleeping with him even after she saw all the damage that had been done.
@@livijohnson4087
You're right. It's not a big deal at all and nothings wrong with that. Her boyfriend broke up, she was sad, that other guy was there.
But Rory made it a big deal by hiding it. She thought herself that it was wrong and she should tell. That's the only reason she tried to keep that secret. And she made cheating out of it because it felt like cheating for her.
@@allys8801 dean had to break up with her at the dance, and she got together with jess almost immediately
yeah, what she did in season 4 and 5 with dean and logan and her decisions on her dropping out of yale is when I started to get made at her and not even bother to care how she changes since she irritated me in so many ways and it only gets worse when the revival happened.
Her dropping out of Yale was so ridiculous. I think I really could not stand Rory during this. To go behind her own mom's back to get support elsewhere cause she didn't agree with her.... Jesus what a mess.
I somewhat disagree about the Dean and Roy interaction about the letter and everything that happened. I took it more as Dean was remorseful. He realized what a horrible thing he did, and what he lost all for somebody who basically wasn’t worth it and he was more pissed off that Rory doesn’t see it and that she’s not as remorseful or taking actions to try to fix anything with the people that they hurt I’d be pissed at Rory too. I’d be pissed at myself, though I’d never do such a thing, but were I in there shoes I would be angry at myself and angry at the other person who can’t seem to find the respect and empathy to 1 care about Lindsey’s feelings based off of what they both did and 2 understand Dean’s feelings that he realized he did an absolute horrible thing.
That's a fair POV. I do think that Dean was starting to feel remorse about everything and definitely did not want to parade something around when he knows what that feels like. I feel like his reaction was multi-layered. He may have lost something but the manipulative actions he used on Rory to get there just make me feel less sympathy for him. I totally get your point though. Cause I'd also be pissed if I pissed away a marriage to be with someone who's so inconsiderate of others feelings. Not to mention how mad you must be at yourself in that moment.
It was all over the place 😭
I never understood the whole Logan thing in the revival. He asked her to marry him and she didn't want to. And she continues to date other people but still keeps him as a feel-good blanky?
And if I remember correctly, even in the revival he asks her, if she wants to be together for real and she still says no.
Rory just is and has always been a shitty person.
That has to do with season 7 being written by a different person. When coming back to write to revival they ignored quite a few things from the season. There’s a reason lately I usually quit and go back to the beginning somewhere in season 6 lol, too much Logan, too much drama, and it’s just plain confusing.
I never watched this show, but Rory seems like the meanest mean girl to ever mean
lorelai wanted to be her daughters friend more then a mother I think she wanted to live through rory the life she didn't get because she had her so young and it backfired rory isn't lorelai as much as lorelai would like her to be and would get controlling when rory would show rebellious behavior but them wouldn't hold rory accountable for anything she has a lot of similar traits as Emily and that's why rory is very entitled because she never was held accountable by anyone in her family really everyone around her wanted her to be lorelai basically and be perfect and rory broke because of the high expectations she never could live up too also she was Christopher daughter too so she did get some of his traits
Someone made a video before where they pointed out that Rory's decline started much earlier -- when she didn't tell Dean that she kissed Tristan the day after they broke up. And it was Lorelai who told her not to tell him even though Rory wanted to be honest to Dean at the time.
Jess had the best redemption
Jess did so well for himself, I loved his arc. He did not deserve to stay pining for Rory. If they ever come back for a part 2, I have a feeling they're going to give him a Luke storyline and idk how I feel about that 😭
@@chaoticlizsama my wife got me hooked on the show. We watch every night before bed. We watch up to Rory stealing the yacht. I like the new part a little bit but the wife hates it. Rory should have married Logan!
I think when Rory was with Jess has become one of my favorite parts of the show. Obviously neither of them is perfect, far from it, but they call each other out on it and Jess continues on from the relationship better off. He put good effort into their relationship but just didn’t put the same into his own life at that time, ultimately leading to him going away. When Rory was with Dean, he’s very much more into the relationship than her because her eyes are on Jess. Most of the time that she’s with Logan, in my opinion, she definitely puts more effort into the relationship maybe to compensate for Logan giving up his normal ways for her. But with Jess, I think they both are putting in equal effort, not 100% of their lives, just equal. Maybe I just hold Jess on a pedestal but like come on, he ends up being one of the best in the show by the time he comes back to visit Rory to show off his book.
It drives me bonkers to see discourse about Rory in other places, about how she's like... totally fine? Especially when people say she's NOT privileged??? I'm sorry what's NOT privileged about not only being a model-attractive blue-eyed white girl, but having grandparents who are willing to pay for your college interest-free with no real expectation of when you're supposed to pay them back (and honestly Emily and Richard seem like they'd be cool with Rory never paying them back), especially when that college is YALE, and getting to go to Europe TWICE for like 2-3 months each time, the second time getting to stay in luxury hotels?? I've been to Europe once for a week and stayed in my sister's dorm room and now I can barely afford to go 4 hours to the state capital. But sure Rory TOTALLY isn't privileged because she had a single mom and lived in a potting shed for 3 years even though her mom owns a house.
Also just in general it bugs the everloving shit out of me when people excuse Rory's relationship shenanigans of "She was 17, she'd never been in a real relationship before :(" but then Jess doesn't get the same excuse despite also being 17 and coming from a much more broken home?
I don't like that everyone is shitting on rory. Of course she did much things wrong and was an a**hole at times. But so is everyone? I like that in her, that shes not a perfect girl. Wouldn't it be boring if she was that perfect character? Especially that scene where she slept with dean and blames her mother after it and says "I hate you for ruining this for me" is so so relatable. I really can feel her emotions in that moment. And of course she isn't right and Lorelai did a perfect job here, but Rory is just not mature enough to understand this.
Edit: Okay I also hate her in the Revival. Because she is a thirty year old woman who is still as immature as with 16...
Rory got serious Main character syndrome