Breaking Points is Misleading You on Ukraine
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The August 13th, 2024 episode of Breaking Points was full of misleading information about Ukraine.
The original video is here:
• Ukraine INVADES RUSSIA...
The specific issues are:
1. The volume of information and media coverage of the Ukraine Kursk offensive.
2. The theory of US backing and The threat of "escalation."
3. The purpose of the invasion.
4. The loss of "moral high ground."
5. The Russian trope of sending cash payments to Ukraine.
6. The current operational state and purpose of the Kursk Offensive.
7. Whether NATO or the US was informed about the operation.
8. The fallacy of NATO being unable to fight a two-front war.
9. The lie or ignorance that the F-16 was involved in Kursk Operations.
10. The lie of a shortage of JDAM munitions.
11. The mislabeling of Ukrainian attacks as "Terrorism."
12. The misrepresentation of the Wall Street Journal article about the Kursk Offensive.
Three Articles covering the attack from the mainstream media are here:
WSJ:
www.wsj.com/wo...
NY Times:
www.nytimes.co...
NBC News:
www.nbcnews.co...
The article about F-16s from Denmark and The Netherlands is here:
www.reuters.co...
The Wall Street Journal article on the offensive is here:
www.wsj.com/wo...
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"If you punch back you lose the moral high ground" is the world's biggest gaslight ever
It's not really a gaslight. The problem is the premise Russia used to start this in the first place. For years Russia cried about nato expansion and encroachment on Russia. They claimed Ukraine was a vehicle for this and even blamed the US for 2014. Now they claim their fears were real. Ryan has this wrong, the audience of this theater is not the populations of countries supporting Ukraine but countries around the world under threat of hostilities from the US and European alliances. Look at how many friendly countries decided to ignore EU and US sanctions on Russian oil for instance (some in our own back yard). China is now in the early stages of a formidable military build out and modernization effort along with their belt and road initiatives to project power across the world as well as in areas of strategic importance to the US. They are trying to get a new monetary system not subject to the whims of western alliances.
@@sumduma55you should catch up on the latest news in China.
@@sumduma55 "Look at how many friendly countries decided to ignore EU and US sanctions on Russian oil for instance (some in our own back yard)."
Wel, list those countries please and also tell us how many countries subscribed to the sanctions. Compare the two numbers and draw the correct conclusion.
Why did you bring China into this? And why didn't you talk about the belt&road initiative failing to grant power to China? How's China's economy doing? Not great, I hear and see by the massive lay-offs and disappearance of multi-billion dollar companies. Military build-up by a crumbling economy is a paper tiger....
@@sumduma55 not wrong, but it's still Russian propaganda being redistributed via western media.
@@DreadX10 sigh... China was brought up because it is one of the target audiences of this theatric performance. Do you understand that this is derived to influence other countries and a more global policy? A few countries not supporting or implementing sanctions are China, UAE, most other Middle East countries including Israel, Mexico, and Brazil just to name some of them. The number supporting it is unimportant. The point isn't about the effectiveness of the sanctions but to illustrate the target audiences. That is who Russia is playing to. There is a reason BRICS is a thing and that OPEC is no longer limiting oil trade to the US dollar.
"Claiming victim when russia is in fact, the aggressor, is rhetorical strategy we know from their imperialist history. It's not a defense, it's actually part of the crime." - Timothy Snyder
Invading countries using the pretense of defensive action or to "safeguard residents" has been a staple of governments since Roman times. Rome invaded basically all of Europe for its own defense. And I'm sure Russia has a good narrative why they were justified invading Ukraine just like the US says it was justified in helping to oust Gaddafi and Hussein. So these arguments are never as simple as people like to make them.
We want a simple good/evil us/them narrative but really this is just a war of power and survival. NATO and Putin are fighting for power and the rest of us are fighting for survival.
Russia against the Nato.
To anyone confused on why Russia started the invasion of ukraine, its because ikraine was trying to get into NATO and NATO at the door step would mean 1000 tokes more risk of such incursions anytime from russian's west.
Historically, russia has been invaded from the same path multiple times.
Napoleon to hitler, thta paranoia is real.
Because, there is no natural barriers like mountains or any such terrain, if ukraine would have joined Nato, russia would have to spend tremendously on their border defense against NATO.
And considering Nato was created to counter ussr/ now russia. And sèes them as enemies.
Russia had to choose. They chose to invade ukraine pre-emptively.
The people from west are majorly good people, but thier politicians have been nasty on tye whole world.
Always destabilizing effect.
Be it syria, iraq, vietnam, korea, Afghanistan.
Whole middle was so damn rich and developed, now allnin rubble.
Dont see this war in black and white.
I too support Ukraine, however understanding the reason for this war is vwry important.
Russia had to... or Russia was pished into the corner to get into this war with ukraine.
Remember this: Russia would choose a world with nuclear winter over a world where Nato is at its doorstep.
same strategy hamas uses, same strategy the american left uses
Loads of people used that rhetoric when claiming victimhood.
@@JaeohnEspherasRussia is a master of it.
Imagine calling Ukraine the terrorist side, while also being the victim of child cancer hospital strikes from Russia.
Russia against the Nato.
To anyone confused on why Russia started the invasion of ukraine, its because ikraine was trying to get into NATO and NATO at the door step would mean 1000 tokes more risk of such incursions anytime from russian's west.
Historically, russia has been invaded from the same path multiple times.
Napoleon to hitler, thta paranoia is real.
Because, there is no natural barriers like mountains or any such terrain, if ukraine would have joined Nato, russia would have to spend tremendously on their border defense against NATO.
And considering Nato was created to counter ussr/ now russia. And sèes them as enemies.
Russia had to choose. They chose to invade ukraine pre-emptively.
The people from west are majorly good people, but thier politicians have been nasty on tye whole world.
Always destabilizing effect.
Be it syria, iraq, vietnam, korea, Afghanistan.
Whole middle was so damn rich and developed, now allnin rubble.
Dont see this war in black and white.
I too support Ukraine, however understanding the reason for this war is vwry important.
Russia had to... or Russia was pished into the corner to get into this war with ukraine.
Remember this: Russia would choose a world with nuclear winter over a world where Nato is at its doorstep.
Yes. Excellent point.
@lucabaki beware dehumanizing people
Exchange the word Ukraine for Palestine and Russia for Isreal, do you still stand by the statement?
That’s what Israel does all the time. 😂
After the Tenet media fiasco I suggest looking at where Breaking Points is getting its funding.
💯
Follow the money. Always.
17:44 Ryan you have no idea how true / accurate that analogy is. 20+ years ago I was being assaulted by a guy I was dating, I weighed around 115lbs, my attacker well over 230lbs. In my mind I juggled with "Let it happen and hope he let's me live? Or fight back with the 1% chance I overpower and escape?" ... I fought back by digging my thumbs into his eyes after making him think I stopped fighting back. I popped one of his eyes like a grape, badly damaged the other. He was blind, screaming like a baby and I managed to run and escape to safety. Just because your odds of "winning" are poor, doesn't mean you should give up and "let it happen". You are so right in that, and Ukraine (where I have family) will not just "let it happen". They will fight to defend themselves until they are literally physically incapable of it anymore.
I feel inclined to say I'm sorry that happened to you but I recognize it carries little weight. Anyhow, you do whatever you can to survive. A friend of mine used her keys to stab an attacker in the neck, not lethal but enough for her to get away.
Stomach churning story. It's hard to read about eyes popping even if it is an attempted rapist. Anyway, sorry that happened to you.
Just to think: if he's permanently blind he has to live with that bad decision the rest of his life. Makes me wonder if the guy learned anything that day.
Badass move, glad you got away
@@NerdSnipingBatman Maybe it's picky, but he didn't just make a bad decision. Anyone can make a bad decision, very few people would even entertain the thought of doing something that vile.
You know, in early 2022 you might be forgiven for saying "We all know how this is going to end." But we're in the second half of 2024 now, I think we've all had plenty of time to think up a few other ways this thing might end.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this one made my day
It's a meme but the first few months of the war were a "In the depths of It's So Over I found an unbreakable We're So Back" moment.
Unless you were super wired into OSINT type stuff or were a normal person who wasn't aware of stuff like Americans proxy-buying black market handsets for RF's cryptophone system that the UA used to great effect to sow confusion in the invading columns (or that Russian military corruption is so bad that any voice that comes through the Magic Phone and claims to be a superior officer is to be listened to) then the early "3 days to Kyiv" seemed reasonable. If you weren't aware of things like American commandos in Ukraine training their forces until the literal last minute and stuff like Five Eyes letting UA get a peek at aerial and sat surveillance of Russian forces, then it would be reasonable to assume that UA would have been steamrolled
@@CircusFoxxoAlso Ukranians were upscaling their military for 8 years at that point. As a militia army they had quite a lot of time to train forces.
I was conscriped into the Swiss armed forces in 2016 and now I only have 5 days left of my time to serve in yearly training blocks of 3 weeks each until I'm done. So they have/had plenty of time to improve the functionality of their army.
If Russia had tried the same in 2014, I'd argue it would've been a steamroll.
@@joerosen5464
Irgun is over-hyped. The people outside Israel have some fixation on it, even though Haganah was way bigger, and this played a much bigger historical role.
@@joerosen5464 North Vietnam survived with outside aid. Taliban survived with chiefly Pakistani aid.
So you're telling me we should keep up the aid to Ukraine and they will prevail against the larger power?
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”
― Charles Bukowski
If Bukowski said that, he stole it from Yeats.
@@lawrenceking192 a great quote though.
That’s an awesome quote and I’m using it
FWIW, Bukowski was talking about writers -- bad writers are sure that they're good, good writers are not so sure, or something like that. Yeats and Bertrand Russell had different versions of the quote. Russell's is the closest: "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt."
@@keithknuuti6932 okay, that’s really cool
"Don't talk about things you don't understand."
Good advice - which would, if it were followed, cause the collapse of social media.
Don't hold your breath. 🙂
Breaking Point: "Attack your enemy where they are strongest and always accept their preferred area of battle"
Sun Tzu: "What you guys smoking..."
Breaking Point: The Fart of War will be available in all good book stores this fall.
@@markmckinney4149Saggar and Krystal are the people who would have surrendered to the Nazis because they want to save lives....
"Lay off the crack man!". ---> That Orange NPC from GTA San Andreas
You realize that Russia's strongest point is the vast amount of land it can afford to give up in a war, right?
@@Gustav_Kuriga It sure isn't the Russian Army.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"America sent F-16's"
*Slightly annoyed Dutch noises"
As a Dane, I wonder a bit🤔 Who delayed the delivery of the F16 and at the same time set up a whole lot of obstacles for the training of Ukrainian pilots, so....?
@@Ikkeligeglad same here, but it results in angry Dutch noises. Almost like the Pentagon signed a deal with the Kremlin: "The first one no sooner than two years into the war, and no more than ten each year because our air defence can't handle more." Talk about drip feeding a man dying of thirst...
@@Ikkeligeglad Russia has an immense amount of sympathetics in the US and in Europe, especially in countries like Austria, Germany, the UK and Denmark. Their primary job is to delay good decisions and actions.
Wut? The UK has been leading the efforts against Russia in many areas, and as a result have been constantly threatened by Russian state TV and politicians.
@@ArchOfficial Not in Denmark that's why we are giving so much aid to Ukraine per capita
Breaking Points: "WHY DID BIDEN FORCE RUSSIA TO INVADE UKRAINE?!?!"
😂
Breaking Points. I bet they don't even know if "whole" or "hole" is the correct word.
I stopped watching them since the start of the War
Their points were ludicrous
"Why should we care? Because the ukrainians are white people?"
Sadly the comments genuinely believe this is part of “Biden’s wars”
He didn't force them, he just emboldened them, just like Obama did in 2014. Poor leaders lead to poor results.
"I would hate to live in a world where good refuses to stand up to evil because it is hard." - Ryan McBeth
As a fellow (new in my case) Marylander and American, I applaud that quote in particular.
1940: Germany invades France.
1945: France and her allies invade Germany.
That's not an escalation, that's a natural flow of war. Same thing with whats happening in Ukraine right now. Good luck to em.
Thank you!
But the moral high ground! Germany wasn't even disputed territory at the time! American arms and money funded the aggression!
you seem to be forgetting the first line:
1939: France invades Germany
not saying that one wasn't justified too
what about 2014: the US helps foment a coup in ukraine.
then 2014-2022 ukraine govt shells its own ethnic russian citizens in the donbass leading to upwards of 14,000 casualties and 400,000 ukrainian refugees flowing into russia
or 2023: russia and ukraine meet in turkey to attempt a diplomatic solution until boris johnson is dispatched to tank the summit
@@totensiebush theres a difference between declaring war to defend another nation, and declaring a war of aggression
Massive respect to Ryan McBeth for applying sunlight to this, extremely dangerous propaganda and abuser logic. These aren't simply dumb or gullible people.
The USA is like that movie plot where that sterno drinker wakes up in the future and he’s like the smartest man in the world and all the people want him to be president
@@thomasland190idiocracy
@@thomasland190 I assume you mean Idiocracy? If so, then real-life America is worse because the Americans in Idocracy have enough sense to know that they're not doing things right, and then they voluntarily choose the smartest man in the world to lead them.
@@thomasland190how is Kursk going, Ivan?
@@AllMagasGoToGitmo😂
Pro-Russia news: The US forced Ukraine to invade Kursk.
Meanwhile US intelligence: HOLY SHIT WHAT IS GOING ON DID THEY JUST INVADE RUSSIA
Suuuuure buddy. The CIA was sleeping.
Remember guys
If everything is going wrong in your life
Blame the west. It's easier that way than to face reality 😉
Not really.
The Ukrainians amassed troops at the border near Kursk.
The Ruzzian saw that and ignored it. (There were reports about this.)
This means, that NATO intelligence saw this, too. They are watching literally everything in real time that is happening in and around Ukraine. Doesnt mean, that they are involved in the actual plans and objectives. But they see everything coming waaay ahead of time and they keep feeding real time intelligence to the UAF during the smo Kursk, too.
@theskilllessgamer5795 The most the US could have been involved was by maybe providing satellite photos and other recon on request, which is basically regular business.
@theskilllessgamer5795 UhM nOt ReAlLy a mass buildup of troops on the border of a country you are already at war with does not mean you are going to invade them it means you're defending your borders. Its very easy for the Ukrainians to play a little secretive with the Americans. Theyve done it plenty times before.🤓
I use to watch these two quite a bit. I knew that about 40% of what they said was hyperbolic or subjective but i figured i could sus it all out. Then, like a week or two into the invasion of Ukraine, Krystal highlighted a statement zelensky made to the press asking for military aid where he said something like "the security of Ukraine is the security of the West" and she said "see, when i saw American liberals lining up to praise this guy i knew there was something wrong with him." Thats when i knew they were both just professional contrarians. If you're honestly making your assessments of the world based on the immediate reactions of whatever side you see yourself as against then you dont actually stand for anything. The only thing these two are consistent on is "war bad" which yeah, it is, but you can't boil down the complexities and nuances of an international conflict like that, there's a reason conflict happens and just bending over to take what happens isn't pro-peace, its pro-subjugation of the weak.
I consider myself a pacisifist, and wholeheartedly agree with all of the support for Ukraine and more, even their push into Kursk, because I realize that the world is complicated.
I think it might need generational context. After decades of war in the Middle East. I served six years and watches the US destroy two countries and pay in lives and treasure with vague goals in mind we never achieved and further destabilize the entire region in the process.
Now, we see us again slowly growing closer to direct US involvement. It really comes a cross as, "surely this time we won't devastate a country in pursuit of our goals!" Many, myself included are okay with the US helping through the UN and NATO. But I will never trust the military industries influence on getting us into senseless war. It's a similar situation in Israel.
I end up agreeing with Crystal and Sagaar because they're cautioning the same ideas. We're not some moral authority. It's a little absurd to demand we are somehow the world police because magically we are very selective in moral outrage over which war we decide is our "holy crusade." With and ever ballooning military budget, it's enough.
@@ZoeyTG you're absolutely right about most of what you said, and I even agree with a lot of your positions. I still can't support the idea of spreading misinformation and made up propaganda by these two idiots, or anyone else, in support of their agenda.
@@aggonzalezdc then you’re not a pacifist at all. That’s just cover so you never need to evaluate your position. The only supporters of this war are ideologues, of one indoctrination or the other. Ryan proved his indoctrination-he reads WaPo NYT & Ukrainian media cover to cover (surely UK media too). That the equivalent of of a Soviet saying they know the truth because they read Pravda. But likely you think this war began in early 2022 because you’re a victim of propoganda. I’m an American I love my country unconditionally and I’m a trained intel analyst. I know the propaganda machine and no country holds a candle to US/Western propaganda. They seldom even try. You only believe that they do because you’re a victim of the propaganda. See operation Mockingbird to start, the Clinton era changes to big media, and then the revised Smith Mundt Act under Obama, allowing your government to propagandize its own people domestically-except the State dept. which is just laughable.
I wouldn't be surprised if these two are receiving money from Russia.
The F-16 comment from Krystal was beyond cringe worthy.
I hate to point it out when someone has a lowbrow name. It's the parents and maybe the apple tree was on a slope.
@@AstroGremlinAmericanIrrelevant point. Focus on her words.
@@Ranger1812 sure, but it's pretty ironic, it's almost like she gets her talking points from a crystal ball.
The entire rhetoric from it is cringe worthy. holy shit, how the fuck do these people pretend like Ukraine has any chance of winning without attacking back. they seriously expect Ukraine to just take the beatdown from Russia's full force until they crack without countering.
Not only should they be invading right back. Nato allowing them to strike military targets inside Russia with their weapons is LOOOONG overdue.
Perhaps, but it was easily the least objectionable clip featured here. Saagar is a Russian apologist.
Breaking Points: "Roosevelt's D-Day Invasion A Dangerous Escalation With Germany"
And Doolittle Raid was a terrorist attack🙃
America's war against Japan, circa 1943
🎉Bingo🎉
"Shooting down Japanese planes over Pearl Harbour is a clear escalation that risks war with a peaceful neighbour"
And pointless too because we all know how this is going to end
The "you're immoral for defending yourself from an existential threat" arguments are insane every time. Bizarro logic.
ok
@@phr3ui559 You can take a horse to water...
What the hell are these bot-ass replies?
Are you talking about Ukraine or Russia? LMAO
@@tom932118Ukraine obviously, they aren’t an existential threat to Russia beyond propaganda.
It's so sad that Breaking Points (probably) has more reach than this. This is the really frightening outlook for me: the only democratic superpower being "implicitly undermined", deciding on these issues via pure emotion fed by propaganda. Where nobody cares for facts or truth and whoever wins the shouting match defines direction - because somebody's feelings are equally valid as another's facts.
Anyway, thanks Ryan for checking and analyzing this stuff. It gives me some hope.
Preston Stewart was the warning shot, Ryan is the full attack
And they should be very afraid 😂
Officers point, NCO's destroy.
🏆😁@@dereksherwood3794
link to video?
PS was roof knocking. RB just leveled the entire Breaking Points studio.
Clue 1 was in the first clip. They used adjectives ‘crazy’ and ‘full blown’ this is language designed to be persuasive and not deliver facts. I would have turned the channel right then.
Correct, people should learn the buzzwords and know that true facts don't need embellishment.
I watched just to see how far the idiocy would go this time. Unfortunately they can influence well intentioned people, who find allies on their domestic coverage, but who know as little about geopolitics as they do.
So you just avoid news altogether??
These days every outlet uses persuasive language.
Problem is they are popular and a lot of people are just agreeing with what they are saying.
Sounds like Breaking Points is just another Putin puppet like so many of the Republican's right now, especially their orange cult leader.
If you oppose Ukraine defending their own country. It's either extreme stupidity, or you are working for Russia.
Oh, I've seen idiots argue it's not worth the cost in lives. Cause that worked so well last time, we tried it. Right?
We don’t oppose Ukraine defending itself. I just don’t want mu country involved in their war.
@@gmvs62 all of a sudden, the US is shy about getting involved in world conflict? The Russia to GOP propaganda pipeline is astounding!
@@gmvs62 Useful idiots is the term.
@@gmvs62yeah, you want war to come your way.
The really sad part is that people actually watch / believe this type of nonsense.
The really sad part is you watch this guy to get "accurate" information.
3:36 He clearly admitted he works for the intelligence agencies.
Thats cause it true. But hey, keep following the doctrine 🤖🤖
Stopped watching Breaking Points a long time ago for stuff like this. They claim they started the show to provide a News alternative, but they’ve morphed into something worse than what we already had. It’s now just two know-a-littles cosplaying as journalists occasionally vomiting out the worst, trendy alt-takes they find on Twitter.
It's a tabloid, nothing more
One thing I realised with independent media was that they are just opinion shows using the works done by actual journalists from...wait for it....mainstream media
I watched them before they left the Hill and they were off but interesting. I stopped watching pretty quickly after they started their own show, Saagar is just too insane when unrestricted.
Exactly.
I feel like intentionally lying as a news reporter or a news station should be illegal. Punishment would be the forced closure of the station and a jailing of 5 - 10 years for all of the reporters and crew members pushing false claims. Until we can make all of our citizens smart enough to see through the bullshit, misinformation will be outlawed.
Ryan McBeth "There is no way a news organization can be this ignorant."
Breaking Points " Challange excepted!"
Just Edit it, Bra... To "Hold my Beer"
Have you ever heard of Fox News or Newsmax? 😂😂😂
@@randyross5630 "Hold my vodka"? :)
I'm pretty sure Ryan Mcbeth means ALL NEWS ORGANIZATION.
Doesn’t sound like they are a news outlet at all, but a propaganda mill.
I came across this video by accident, never watched Ryan’s channel before… Being a Ukrainian national, it’s soooooooo refreshing for me to finally see and listen to the guy who knows what’s going back in my Old Country!
While every other media person is an “expert” in Israel-Gaza conflict, there is virtually no one who knows what’s really going on in Ukraine. You might listen to a credible, intelligent thought leader/influencer but as soon as they start talking about Ukraine, they repeat Russian propaganda talking points(“we made Russia to start this, it’s our fault”, “we shouldn’t escalate”, “Ukraine banned Russian language and this is how it all started”, etc.) and their credibility goes down the drain🤦♂️
Thanks for your work, Ryan! I’m really impressed with your level of knowledge!
Why are you not back in Ukraine defending your home country Nick?
Like, that is waffle. You claim everyone is an expert on Gaza yet western media spent 2 years as an expert on Ukraine.
Also, care to explain why so many Ukrainians are pro-Israel?
@@brad6523the same reason you arent back in your trenches Ivan.
Pretty sure the US insisted on the Ukrainian meat grinder. Russia warned about nato creep and tried to deescalate but the US wanted war. The only thing we make here as an export is weapons. War is good for business in the US. Tell me why I’m wrong. What am I missing?
Perun.
You know Perun? The Australian bloke?
I just say Perun. Check out Perun ❤
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I'm a UK Airborne veteran who came to NYC for my career after I retired from the army. I totally admire your ability to see the fake, misinforming, treacherous influences and putting things clearly. Knowledge of military inventory flows is the big missing part that you show to all of us and a huge dose of common sense. Keep it coming.
This is the problem with social media. There is a lot of disinformation. Some of it from foreign powers.
Ukraine: *literally does anything*
Breaking points for the past 2 years: well I get it they’re middle of a war after all, but they still shouldn’t do it
"Ukrainian troops are defending a hospital filled with wounded from Russians who are actively trying to destroy it."
"Well I get it they’re middle of a war after all, but they still shouldn’t do it."
They’re flying jets over Russian territory and kidnapping people to fight a war they can’t afford. Give me a break. Does nothing lol.
At first I thought they were just doves, but then a clear lack of perspective meant nothing could be trusted there.
@@klrs8525 Exactly! I totally get the argument against the US getting involved in foreign conflicts - in fact, I subscribe to it. However, breaking points has become completely disingenuous. Honestly, Fox and CNN probably have more nuance than they do.... and their whole schitck was to get away from blind allegiance to talking points (honestly, they should change their name to Talking Points).
I can't watch it anymore. The worst part is how smug and overly-confident they have become.
they don't even do any actual reporting--just steal other peoplee's work and give their opinions on it
Here's a great example of weapon expiry: the US spent $109M disposing of 98,904 expired M26 GMLRS cluster munition rockets in 2007. The US produces massive quantities of these things and largely doesn't use them. Hundreds of ATACMS are nearing expiry and could be sent to Ukraine right now.
yea along with lots of money. This just shows the US is also incompetent as well
I believe you, but do you have a source on that? I could use that when talking to some family that flat out refuses to believe that we are saving money buy donating instead of decommissioning weapons
Google the cost of demilling M113 and the US aid program for Iraq.
The DOD argued that they saved money by dumping them off.
@@CalebS92it’s not donations. Ukraine is borrowing and are expected to pay us back.
@@CalebS92missile fuel and explosives degrade over time. Once that happens, they can either be refurbished or decommissioned. Either way, you have to pay an American company with very specialized knowledge to work on explosives and make them inert. That's why it costs so much.
I hope this video spreads around a LOT. I love when "fake news" gets called out. It's crazy how dishonest (or just lazy) a lot of these news sources are
What did he debunk. I heard lots of propaganda and very little debunking. I’m
Totally serious here, do you think US corporate MEDIA isn’t propoganda for the DC bureaucracies?? Do you think any country on earth can even compete against US propoganda? If so, which ones? How? Do you know laws were passed that allow corporate media & your government to propagandize you? If you don’t know that ask yourself why? Is it possible then, that maybe you are a victim of propaganda and indoctrination? If not, why? Because you think you’re a good person and therefore you’re always on the good side? We must all ask ourselves these questions. I had to. I once thought just like you. But others challenged me until I was willing to challenge myself.
“I would hate to live in a world where good refuses to stand up to evil, because it’s hard. I mean doing the hard thing is part of being the good guys.” If nothing else Ryan Macbeth, that is a quote, that is a good quote.
Agreed
I agree with the concept but there is no way I'm just going to accept as fact that Russia is evil and Ukraine is good. That kind of black/white thinking is nearly always just a propaganda narrative meant to make our children OK with sacrificing themselves to the latest cause. There is a power struggle between NATO and Russia over Eastern Europe and sitting here in America I'm not going to pretend I know which global power has any right to dominate that region.
If good man does nothing, evil wins.
that's a Captain America tier quote.
variation of the: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Attributed to Edmund Burke, including by John F Kennedy in a speech in 1961
only took the first 15 words or so of the Breaking Points vid to know its just Rus Propaganda.
It’s nice of them to be up-front and honest at least, even if nothing else they say is true.
its not "russian propaganda" - stop using those fucking lame CNN talking points. It's just pure, aggressive ignorance and it needs to be called out without all the added emotional drama. Thats whats so refreshing about this creator, he's doing just that. Don't go grouping everyone into nice neat little groups - you're just pushing another type of propaganda.
Seriously. I've engaged with Rusbots that were more subtle about pushing the Kremlin line.
It seems they've gone the way of the contrarian. Their coverage of Ukraine and of Gaza/the middle east is the exact opposite of American MSM
So Ukraine wasn't allowing NATO to put military assets near the Russian border?
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stewart Mill, 19th Century British philosopher and economist
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
Breaking Points has been a joke for quite some time.
This needed to be done. Saagar's strangely hostile attitude toward helping Ukraine is what drove me out of their audience last year. Heck, listening to BP helped enlighten me about how the US government uses words like "regime" to denigrate governments the US doesn't get along with, in a subtle move intended to cause the audience to question the legitimacy of a government without saying they are out loud.
So imagine my surprise when Saagar called Ukraine "the Kiev regime" like Zelensky is some kind of dictator rather than a president of an invaded nation trying to survive. I instantly left and have held them in contempt for having taken such a brazenly partisan position at the expense of the trustworthiness and accuracy of their reporting.
Yup me too, former listener for precisely the same reason
It's not strange at all. if you had been listening to breaking points when the Invasion first started in 2022, you would know that Saager has been very hostile to the idea of the US getting involved in Ukraine at all, therefore all of his biased opinions revolve around the US being involved, contrary to what he wants and how he feels
Sie müssen lernen, viel kritischer mit Medien umzugehen. Diese wenigen Ausschnitte, die Bryan von BP gezeigt hat, reichen mir bereits aus, zu erkennen, dass es sich bei BP um pure anti-ukrainische Propaganda handelt, von entweder Putler-Unterstützern oder nützlichen Idioten.
Vermutlich sind Sie schon früher auf Beiträge hereingefallen, die subtil Ihr Vertrauen in die US-Regierung erschüttern sollten. Selbstverständlich besteht Ihre Regierung, die Regierung einer Weltmacht nicht nur aus Friedens-Nobelpreisträgern, und soll für moralisch fragwürdiges Handeln auch kritisiert werden. Doch lesen Sie bitte stets zwischen den Zeilen und achten Sie darauf, ob die Kritik tatsächlich angemessen ist oder selbst hetzerisch oder übertrieben erscheint.
Zum Glück haben Sie den Betrug an Ihnen festgestellt. Seien Sie weiterhin aufmerksam, ob Sie bei Ihrem Medienkonsum auf Scharlatane reinfallen, die lediglich Geld abschöpfen wollen mit Kritik in alle Richtungen an der Regierung; oder Medien, die Sie gezielt mit Propaganda von anti-demokratischen Regierungen versorgen.
Herzliche Grüße aus Ostdeutschland (wo leider momentan auch schon wieder sehr viele Menschen auf russische Propaganda hereinfallen)!
Yup, slowly started skipping their shows after listening daily from their inception, once saagar started with his uneducated segments. Now I rarely listen to a whole show. I'll watch segments on other topics here and there but rarely a whole show. Their audience is also soooo different from when they started out too. Very reactionary right wing these days. Not a fun thought provoking place to be anymore. So sad as I had high hopes for them.
I listened to them when they were in rising, after their move things seemed off. Disgusting. How they treated the norman Finkelstein and Steven "destiny" bonnell situation was soooo disingenuous.
Pointing out Pro-Russian news media, journalists and so called experts is one of the first priorities. Good job, Ryan.
Hell yeah!
Why?
I wouldn’t say they are pro-Russian, it’s just their strong anti-interventionist stances make them more likely to believe Russian propaganda. If you’ve ever watched a decent amount of the show though you’d know that they don’t “support” what Russia is doing.
@@sumduma55 Ryan made it clear in his video. Misinformation shapes the battlefield. This is not a regular war. It's a hybrid war. All information must be sorted through and corrected.
Breaking points is not "Pro-Russia ".
Saying that is sooo ignorant.
They have been Anti Russia since day 1
As someone who considers themself to be anti war, I do believe that if someone attacks you for no good reason, then you have every right to hit them back. And Ukraine 100% is justified. They were attacked and lied to by an imperialist regime that has tried everything in their book to convince them not to hit back. People like this guy try to hide behind being anti war to justify telling a free nation to just take the hit. And to call this a terrorist attack is disgusting. Attacking an area from an enemy country that has been used to terrorize you is not the same as hijacking a plane full of civilians crashed into a city building. If anything Russia has been doing the terrorist attacks. I mean they literally blew up a hospital. That’s some Joker shit right there and don’t believe the bullcrap that it was the result of Ukraine defending itself causing the missile to get off track. If if that was true Russia shouldn’t be sending those missiles into Ukraine in the first place. And in their attacks they literally have been looking for ways to minimize civilian casualties and look for ways to get them to safety. And they have also made it clear the only land they are trying to get is their own and this is only a temporary occupation meant to show Russia that there are in fact consequences for taking what doesn’t belong to you. Ukraine has every right to exist and have been showing that when Russia threatens to escalate they usually try to pretend any set back isn’t a big deal. So yeah I’m not scared of Russia.
It's hard taking Ryan with respect when he's super chummy with Gorka that argued trump saying he wants chocolate cake is a crime
"If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!" © Mal Reynolds
I'm a hardcore pacifist, but rolling over when someone is trying to eradicate your people isn't a good option. Putin isn't just trying to take territory, his stated goal is to eradicate the Ukrainian identity.
The thousands of children he has abducted are being brainwashed to believe that Ukraine has never existed and that they're Russian.
On board with most of what you said, but you’re conflating Ukrainian self defense with US intervention.
We can’t afford to care for our own citizens properly, so we can’t afford to pay for every war everywhere at all times.
@@TheOtherOtherJoeyWe pay for a lot of things we can't afford and we finance even more through deficits. It's OK, I promise. We've been successfully doing it a LONG time. Debt is high, I'll grant, but debt to gdp ratio is not particularly concerning.
We do so, because not paying for it now will cost exponentially more later. That's why understanding the issues in depth, in this case geopolitics is very important.
There's also the argument that we promised to come to their aid in case they were invaded by Russia, see The Budapest Memorandum. A promise made should be a promise kept. That's a LOW bar for my nation to be hop over, but if we don't at least do that, then I'll lose a lot more faith in this country.
I’m glad this video came up in my feed. I’ve been listening to Breaking Points since 2021 when they went independent, and liked it for the most part. Then, things started going off the rails in 2022, mostly due to their near hysterical coverage of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. It was only a matter of months after the invasion before these two were claiming that the US and NATO support for Ukraine would lead to nuclear war with Russia.
I’d say that they should stick to domestic politics, but they totally got the 2022 midterms wrong. They kept saying it was going to be a red wave, but that never materialized. I listen mostly out of habit now, but I will say that the other hosts they have on Wednesdays (Counter Points), Ryan Grim and Emily Jashinsky, are actually better, and I actually prefer them to Krystal and Saagar. Ryan’s an actual investigative journalist, and you can definitely tell the difference. When it comes to domestic politics, it’s basically Krystal’s show. Saagar’s just along for the ride.
If Ukraine is committing terrorist acts by fighting in Kursk, does he think WWII America were terrorists for going into Germany?
He intentionally cut and mischaracterized that from the video. Watch their original video from 5:14-5:51 or read the below Google transcript (auto transcript, so watching gives better context). Obvious he's not calling Ukraine terrorist, and even says he's philosophically not against Ukraine actively attacking Russian soil and that it's even normal but that we need to be concerned about blow back
ruclips.net/video/ncQJ8dzXnx8/видео.html
5:14 days and usually when the ukrainians
5:16 pull some terrorist attack or whatever
5:18 in Russia they're like oh what a tragedy
5:20 you know it's crazy that some somebody
5:22 would do that they're just openly saying
5:24 it in his video address that was late on
5:26 Saturday he said Ukrainian military is
5:29 pushing War onto the aggressor territory
5:32 now again I want to say philosophically
5:34 I don't care about this it is normal
5:36 actually to try and hit your enemy
5:38 wherever they are and to throw them off
5:39 balance but when it's America's role and
5:42 we're the ones who are funding all of
5:44 this and we are the ones who experience
5:47 any potential blowback then that's a
5:49 real issue
@@insanegeek can confirm that I don’t think he actually believes Ukraine is committing terrorist attacks but in that video he said like 20 other dumb things that made me want to turn the volume down to save my brain lmao just seems like he’s using buzzwords/hyperboles to strike certain feelings in viewers
@@darkassassin6457 Do you think that he accurately represented their statement? Or was he being misleading to call him anti-Democratic?
Breaking Points isn't anti-democratic. They just coincidentally repeat pro-Russia talking points almost exclusively.
@Matt-pc9vw They also might have a penchant for mentioning “warm-water ports” and referring to victim of this war as “The Ukraine” lol
I used to watch them years ago when they first started, but unsubbed about a year ago. They drove me nuts with their utter incompetence on coverage of Ukraine and basically ANYTHING that wasn't US domestic politics. They never hired / consulted experts on topics of military matters, European politics, etc. I went from liking them as an independent news agency, to utterly despising them as much as the big corporate news sources (CNN, Fox, NBC etc) they sought to be better than.
I used to watch them too but stopped because something's off about them.
And yes they do seem to have a lots to say with little research...
probably on russia's payroll.
I dumped them when I noticed all day ever did was spout Republican talking points and attack Democrat politicians
I thought it was just me... I unsubbed a while back too... Just drama for drama's sake...
Samee
For Russia's general population, this war has been "over there". This operation will change that sentiment.
Exactly…..
Hm...
And it only will unify them.
@@h2didenkov but did it?
Ukraine joins France and Germany in a successful invasion of Russia.
Lol
Breaking points could absolutely use a trustworthy military advisor. They inherited distrust of the military without question, which seems to cut both ways in understanding the world stage
They do have a trustworthy military advisor...he's just Russian.
The problem is ideological. They tapped into an anti-war "isolationist" stance because it unites disillusioned lower middle class on both sides of the political spectrum.
I get that the American public is tired of war, after the abject failures in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this is a war every freedom-lover should absolutely support! Earlier in the war the BP argument for not supplying Ukraine with weapons was that it was that Ukraine had no chance of winning. Now that Ukraine is fighting back with succes they are suddenly terrorist, and "escalating" the conflict. Its very disingenuous. Terrible coverage.
@@slyde734 Wow, I was about to say the same thing.
That might get in the way of them being obvious propaganda though.
If Kristal stopped talking about things she doesn't know anything about, she'd have to retire from the show.
meh. shes got better thoughts then most women. i dunno about dating kyle kulinsky tho
I wonder who is doing their research for the show.
@@ponetastic their married
You can say the same for most tv show hosts. Idk, seems to me a lot of pundits who have a very sure opinion on everything actual have expertise on nothing.
The United States supplied a huge amount of supplies to the commonwealth during ww2.
We have a history of using our massive amounts of military supplies to countries in need of assistance.
This is nothing new.
The arsenal of democracy baby!
We basically looked at the death slog of WWI and how badly equipped Allies were between Versailles treaty and the (at the time reasonable) assumption that mustache man would be satisfied with the Sudentenland and went "Right, next time everyone will have proper kit and we'll unleash a Normandy invasion scale assault every single day for the first three weeks"
People never seem to recognize that Iraq I and II we folded and dumpstered them in a matter of weeks to months, during the Gulf War they were considered to be somewhat on par with what Russia's real capability as shown in Ukraine is today
Of which the largest recipient was...the USSR.
The US even helped arm the Soviets during WW2. There's a small plaque of a Bell Aircobra in Soviet markings in the Whitehorse Intl Airport, commemorating it's use as a fuel stop on the Northwest Staging Route, which extended to the Alaska-Siberia Air Road.
@@Bruvva_Wu Stalin even said they would have lost without American supplies
Both Krystal and Saagar have been against the war in Ukraine from the beginning. They've straight up said that the Ukraine people should be living under Putin's rule because millions more Ukrainians would be alive and that Russia's victory is just a matter of time.
Except if Ukraine gives up millions of their people WILL die. They fight back to save those people.
They also said Russia wouldn't invade.
@@user-pd3gt3tx5e And when Russia did invade Enjeti authoritatively stated it would be over in a week. Oopsie!
Im familiar with Kristal, I don't believe you.
You have a source?
Well, they're both business people pretending to be political commentators and this war is bad for business due to sanctions.
Hello from Poland, I'm rly shocked how many American media is getting this war wrong at this point. Thank you Ryan for explaining it with fact checked information. I came to your channel for great C# videos but this news videos are amazing also, thanks!
FINALLY!!!!
Broken Brain Points is just straight up Russian propaganda at this point
Also Palestinian propaganda.
It's really weird! What's going on with them??? Used to love them but not for the last year.
They're trying to appeal to people who don't trust the media. The problem is that that demographic is full of people who fear cancel culture and thus the loudest voices are from the Russian propagandists who are also a minuscule minority. So if you're trying to market to this demographic, its easy to accidentally fall into the trap of thinking that they all support Russia. Russia also promotes cancel culture and spreads stories about it in order to keep rival voices down within the anti-media demographic.
@lucabakiyeah, it does, but Palestinians shouldn't be genocided
This Arab guy simply detests the West.
"I'm the guy who checks" - Ryan, breaking (bad) propaganda
Nice. That one had layers
His comparisons are great, too. The Joker reference throwing money everywhere got me going. 😂
@azurejester1520 Except he didn't check on the Patriot missile interceptors, which can undergo a relatively check recertification process and be eligible for service until 2035 at least.
@@mitchyoung93US has been making Patriots since the 1980s. Not only the propellant, but the warhead, guidance, structures, fins, and other components must be inspected and maintained up until they reach certain expiration dates.
The de-milling process is extremely expensive, where degraded explosive material and propellant are removed and shipped to a place right near me to be destroyed with other explosives.
Those regular detonations ceased in 2022. They used to rock our windows and garage doors regularly.
We're actually saving money by loading them onto C-17s and flying them to Europe. So much easier that way. The media lists the dollar values for these munitions as if the US is buying them, then sending them, which is false and extremely misleading.
As a Ukrainian living in the U.S. I’d like to thank you for your video. I have to say Saagar was saying pro-russia narratives since before big war even started. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Cheers man. Glory to heroes.
He's Indian, what do you expect?
"You know, people say that I'm a propagandist. I'll tell ya something, the difference between me and these Russian practitioners is that I don't think you're (the viewer) stupid."
- Ryan McBeth, September, 2023
Ex British army officer here (13 years service) I started to watch this same Breaking Point video Ryan did and turned it off in disgust for all the reasons Ryan outlines here. This is great analysis and everyone should watch the entire video - Especially those from Breaking Point. Breaking Point - Make him a contributor
There is No way a Rupert watches RUclips
Breaking Points does a great job in pointing out the flaws in USIC rhetoric, even when they have to fight against biased algorithms.
@@Tren365RageYou are a Walt.
OMG! A right-wing news organization is lying and mis-leading their viewers... noooooo... never..... I mean I'm sure the $787M that Fox News paid in settlement to Dominion was just because they had all that extra $, not because they WERE GUILTY of lying to their viewers and not telling the truth.
Finally, someone calls BS on Breaking Points' poor and biased Ukraine coverage. It's the reason I stopped paying for their premium service.
I never subscribed but realized they are a fake progressive alt-right funded pro-russian outlet when in 2017, 2018 not once did they criticize trump or the GOP and spent all of the time attacking democrats and the Muller investigation. Cringe, complete cringe from an outlet that supposedly says they want progressive policy. They don't, they want to spread confusion and split the vote.
@@bradwest7845 same here.. seems like they lost quite a bunch of viewers.. but then again, we're apparently not where thr money's at these days
They really changed after they left The Hill. Very griftery now.
@@Seth9809I disagree, The Hill isn't that much better.
@@Seth9809i don’t think “grifting” is the right label for them, i do believe these are their genuine beliefs, they just feel more free to say them on their own platform.
Did the Allies "lose the moral high ground" when they bombed and invaded Germany in WWII?
Then why would Ukraine "lose the moral high ground" for going after their enemy who ATTACKED THEM?
Fun fact, the allies were planning to invade Norway until the winter war ended (they were using possible intervention in the Finnish war as cover to amass their forces)
The invaded CAN lose the moral highground (like by invading neutral countries or blowing up pipelines) but never just by doing the same thing their attacker is already doing to them
Because they are being 100% equiped by nations stipulating that they dont support any ground incursions into Russia itself. Its not just crossing a red line but bombing everything on the way and over.
Yes they did. In Dresden where they terrorized the civilian population. Look it up.
Because that's not how it works. If someone assaults & batters me, I have the right to defend myself against that person. But I don't have the right to go to that person's home, break & enter into it, assault the person's family, children, etc.
@@historyandhorseplaying7374You are dishonest. The whole family broke into my house again and again and again. Everytime they destroyed something and killed a family member. Now they completely stole 2 rooms that I cant enter anymore. So sorry if my compassion and sympathy got a little lost there when my surviving family members broke into their house to live there instead of sitting and waiting for their death here...
Source: Trust me bro. I have Masters degrees.
Lefty here. I used to watch Breaking Points and even watched Krystal and Saagar when they were on Rising. I have since stopped watching them altogether because they have obviously been compromised. They've gone all in on the "West Bad" narrative, to the point that I can't help but suspect some form of kompromat is a factor.
As the Russian ambassador in Dr. Strangelove said "our source is the new York times"
Only watch them when they talk about DC insider strategy from the political parties. They have nothing else to offer.
Same.
Against arming Ukraine is also the maga nutjob position.
I also stopped watching Farron Balanced and his other channels with his lawyer friend that don't support Ukraine.
Ex British military here. Really good piece Ryan. I used quite like breaking points but their Ukraine coverage has been questionable at best. Theyve positioned themselves as an "alternative" news source. The whole point of breaking points was that you heard from two sides simultaneously but krystal and sager are jn lockstep on military conflicts which effects their reporting.
Also, as you aptly pointed out, they positioned Positionen themselves as an alternative to MM coverage and then nowadays, on issues like these, they are just more of the same.. I mean.. paroting points brought up by the likes of FoxNews, Newsmax and RT.. in my book hardly reads as counter mainstream.
I used to watch a lot of breaking points and "the Hill-Rising" before that and it seems that their goal is to provide both the far left and far right opinions on all issues, disregarding or dismissing the more center leaning opinions. I stopped watching as much when I realized that the 'mainstream narrative' is just the centrist opinion, the one that most people lean towards lol.
@@alexanderblattler3672 It reads what they are to me, counter or the otherside, aka Fox news and Qanon conspiracy because that is what he talks about the few episodes I watched. Very few facts left his mouth along with a lot of Qanon conspiracy and conjecture as he tried to argue it was a news story and BIG MEDIA, which I will not name, told me to not do this story. Yeah sure, you didn't name them because you made it up, if it was real your channel would explode, but if you name something made up you might get sued because it isn't real. What a trash show man. He is just steps away from arguing water is poison and selling filters.
Their fealty has always been for sale. They shouldn't have taken Kremlin money, because people are starting to understand what they're all about (which is monetizing their platform - you can get xxxxxx number of believers to accept your story, for a price. But they finally went too far).
@@bronzeoxI have to disagree with the last part.. to me it seems, from personal and anecdotal evidence, depending of course on the circles, among those who are actually 'somewhat' interested in politics, but not as well informed, unfortunately, the positions spouted by the likes of Krystal and Saagar by now happen to be pretty mainstream, as in, the most frequent take I would hear.
Most people that are online to an extent and influenced by opinion pieces on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook or RUclips and the like will lean in that direction. Both on the right and the left "being isolationist", "pro peace" (whatever that means), seems to be very much en vouge in todays day and age..
Breaking Points are basically Russian assets at this point.
Saagar is a Heritage guy
Well, one thing is certain, they will NEVER call Ryan to their show.
And pro hamas at this stage too
Ryan talked about a kinetic response for misinformation producers. Because misinformation is a weapon.
They've always been clowns.
Thank you for calling Bullshit when it lands ❤
Just when I forgot about this dimwitted duo.
There was also a third was there not? She left and went out on her own. She went whacko also.
Krystal is better than Saager, but I have issues with her takes too.
This disinformation from breaking point is criminal and they should be fined or shut down.
Luckily I had no idea who they were before this video. Now I know never to watch them!!! 🎉
Thank you Ryan for debunking this bullshit. Much respect from a Ukrainian viewer.
What did he talked about?
America is with you, friend! 🇺🇸 🇺🇦
Ukraine coverage is the major reason I stopped watching Breaking Points. Their coverage and providing cover for Putin was so egregious and inaccurate I just couldn’t anymore.
Tucker Carlson had exactly the same effect on me. That led to my channel and Fb page for Ukraine.
I never subscribed but realized they are a fake progressive alt-right funded pro-russian outlet when in 2017, 2018 not once did they criticize trump or the GOP and spent all of the time attacking democrats and the Muller investigation. Cringe, complete cringe from an outlet that supposedly says they want progressive policy. They don't, they want to spread confusion and split the vote.
They are not covering for Putin. Just being honest about the reality of the situation. If putin died tomorrow. The war would continue. Probably would just escalate things. Treating Russia like adversaries especially after the terrible action the West did, helped kill Russian Democracy in its infancy in the 90's. Ukraine is a broken country. All these countries that Boycotted are planning on doing business with Russia after the war.
Same here. And I used to be a paid subscriber, but could not continue to watch because of their Ukraine coverage
Ditto. I haven’t watched since shortly after the invasion in ‘22. Their pro-Russian slant was either reprehensibly ignorant or malicious propaganda. Either way, they lost all credibility with me.
It's called, "taking the fight to the enemy". It's what *we* do, rather than choose to fight on our own land.
Little hint to set the rules here: Ukrain is not using U.S. Abrams, British Challenger 2 and German Lepard tanks to go into Kursk region. The use Ukrainian Abrams, Ukrainian Challenger 2 and Ukrainian Lepard tanks.
If you are in a defensive war, it's totaly legal to invade the agressor in return. That's even backed up by internetional law.
I dont know how people imagine that the Ukrainian army will go have a beer as soon as the Russians stepped back on the other side of the border like "Alright guys, jobs done."
They support Russia, no other way to describe it.
Thank you
And/or russia supports them. Like Scott Ritter and other domestics, documented by the FBI for compensation schemes from RT and Sputnik (Kremlin-run propaganda networks)
One supports russia, the other hates America, they are both as bad as each other.
@@RyanMcBethProgramming I think its all just a business. There's no way a man like Enjeti has a wikipedia page that clean if he's an actual Republican. At the very least, there would be a controversy section claiming something he said was interpreted as something else by some person. The show's page is also too clean as if the people maintaining have some influence. Could be Russians doing it. Could just people people pretending to hold political views and thus they're just acting the way they think politically-minded people would act. In that case, it wouldn't be surprising if they'd fall for Russian propaganda since one of the main strategies Russians use is to try to claim to speak for entire communities.
his comment about terrorist Ukraine made me think that he doesnt simply support russia,HE IS RUSSIA.
I used to like Breaking Points as a sort of counter perspective on domestic politics. Then, they proceeded to get basically everything wrong about Ukraine for like 8 months straight and I dipped out.
They get everything wrong about pretty much everything not just Ukraine
Same for me. The Ukraine war was a massive shake up of what reporting I trusted and I'm still angry to have been duped.
That war is tragic but at least it forced so many shills to take off their masks. It's shocking and chilling that so many normal people parrot Russian talking points.
Probably just people who don't hold political views trying to pretend to be people who do. No doubt such people would be vulnerable to Russian propaganda.
Yeah, the Ukraine and Israel wars have opened massive cans of worms and showed us how not only main stream but also independent media is rotten to the core.
@@cheburator6420such as?
When I was an ROTC cadet back in 1978 I read a chapter in an anthology about warfare through history. In that chapter the authors but they're really only two forms of tactical maneuver, one is to attack the other to defend. The author for the stated that there were two forms of strategic operations, offensive and defensive. After commenting on the combinations of each, the author basically summarized that you can win if you are using a combination of offensive and defensive tactics but you can never win if you are defensive strategically using defensive tactics.
My favorite combination, and one that is probably applicable here, is the offensive strategy using defensive tactics. In this scenario I think he was using Belisarious as an example, the attacking Force moves into enemy territory, then sets up a defensive perimeter. They then wait for their enemy to attack the defenses. Since defensive positions are stronger than offensive formations, this creates an economy of force advantage and, the attacking force in a defensive position now owns enemy territory, and seizing and holding enemy territory is one of the parameters of victory
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” -Edmund Burke
I love this quote.
Wow, I'm impressed to see a blogger from the US, who is so much on the same page with us, Ukrainians! Decomposing ruzzian propaganda, being so deep in the topic. Respect an gratitude!
The Ukraine has a lot of support here in the US. I have written a lot of articles about this war since it started, and while I refuse to write propaganda for either side, I have never made any secret that I believe Ukraine is clearly in the right. You can't get any more right than defending your home. I am certain most Americans feel that way.
@@gapete361 thanks for your support. It's important for us that the world see Ukraine winning this war, not only "not loosing".
Watch his older videos too. Ryan is pro-Ukraine in a very honest way.
You have lots of support in New Zealand too :)
I think you mean “deconstructing” not “decomposing”, but that sounds pretty good too in this case! 😂
BP used to do really good election coverage. Their Ukraine war coverage quality turned me off the whole show. In the clip, he says: "we all know how this is going to end...". Literally the same thing he said 2.5 years ago. The both of them do a disservice to 'journalism' by publishing conjecture and effectively lies.
I am BP's lifetime premium subscriber. Totally stopped watching them after their Ukraine coverage. They are shameful.
@@Pizzonia295 Agree. I also stopped watching because of their Ukraine coverage.
I hated the colonel they kept parading in for “analysis”.
Never heard of them. BP was launched in June 2021.
OMG! A right-wing news organization is lying and mis-leading their viewers... noooooo... never..... I mean I'm sure the $787M that Fox News paid in settlement to Dominion was just because they had all that extra $, not because they WERE GUILTY of lying to their viewers and not telling the truth.
I used to watch BP, I think they have decent coverage of US politics and journalism, which Saggar actually knows something about, but when they get into geopolitics they show their ignorance. They were convinced we would start a nuclear war if we supported Ukraine, and now they are saying that striking targets in Russia is out of line, when Russia has been bombing Kyiv for almost 2 years. Krystal has been the queen of bad takes pretty solidly for over a year. calling Ukraine's military incursion into Russia a terrorist attack is completely baffling. Tackling military targets in Russia isn't terrorism.
They are an embarrassment to journalism.
She’s not a journalist. She’s an ex hooters waitress.
They are not journalists. They have a talk show.
No, they're an embarrassment to the marketing profession. They tried to market to anti-media people. Since most of those people keep their head down due to the threat of cancel culture, the loudest voices are from the Russian propagandists. The marketing mistake was to assume that those voices spoke for the entire anti-media demographic.
This is why the first rule of marketing is to know your customer.
@@arikkatzenberg582Wait really?
Their Ukraine war coverage was the reason I stopped listening to them. It really opened my eyes.
Me 2
Me too at this point there is no real difference between mainstream media and breaking points...
It's their never-war mentality. It's like they take the Iraq war failures (weapons of mass destruction etc) and overlap it with anything and everything military/weapons involvement, and feel that unless an enemy is parachuting by the millions onto the US mainland the US should never be involved with anything ever. Oh, and anything involving Russia absolutely must end in a total nuclear apocalypse, so it's best just to let Putin take Ukraine.
It's because of this that they just can't help but have ridiculous takes on this topic. They're totally blind to and are incapable of exploring the possibilities as to why doing nothing could be a bad idea.
@@ViladeCondesuch a shame. I guess Breaking Points' mainstream media derangement syndrome has morphed them into full-blown contractions.
@@ViladeConde They're utterly idiotic in very different ways. Unfortunately the end result is the same.
A guy at Forbes, one of my favorite writers, was very critical of the Kursk operation, saying it was taking up resources needed at the eastern front. But it turned into something else. Instead of sitting at the Maginot line, Ukraine is breaking through the Ardennes. Will any allies accept that this is a major effort to turn the tide that deserves lifting restrictions? Fear of success seems to be the attitude of the day.
If supplies from Russia were to be cut off , how long could the Russian army keep going..............
Russia has a very weak spot: bad logistics. Whoever controls the railway controls Russian troop movements. The Ukranians are doing exakt this.
I like your comparison it does sound like they are using blitzkrieg methods in Kursk right now, a lot of emphasis on speed and not sticking around to stay a target.
I’m thinking it’s more to create chaos while Ukraine builds up its border defences.
One of the big issues during the second Russian Kharkiv invasion was that defence lines weren’t properly prepared mainly because any preparation would’ve been in Russian firing range and possibly some corruption.
Ukraine could be pushing back the border temporarily to strengthen the lines near Sumy which were also under threat. This would track with the width of the breakthrough being so broad.
Some people will say anything to make Ukraine the villian. It's just gross.
It is stunning to me how Ukraine and Ukrainians have been demonised within the US. Russia has a lot more sway that Americans realise and they seem to be ok with it.
Something tells me Breaking Points doesn't want accurate reporting on Ukraine on their channel.
But kudos for offering.
This coverage is the Republicans alternative facts.
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Active duty Marine here. Bravo Zulu on calling out Breaking Points for their deliberate attempt at narrative shaping Ryan! Used to be an avid subscriber until their mask came off after Oct 7th last year. It's only gotten worse since then, so props for talking truth to power. Hopefully Breaking Points opts for a good faith rebuttal, but I doubt it.
What's wrong with their Gaza war reporting? They've been pretty clear on calling it a genocide, what's the issue? Or is that the issue? Just curious.
I started watching BP early on, and very nearly started donating to their Patreon, but somewhere along the way they started pulling a Fox Mainstream News and trying to tell me things were true that I knew just weren't so. I haven't watched BP in over a year now.
Why is it some damned hard to just get news, you know, reported? Without it being slanted? Hell, I'm to the point that I feel like I'm getting more accurate info from Al Jazeera than I am from anything in America.
@@MercerVerse They don't agree with it. Which is funny considering that a certain group decided not to warn the US marines about a planned attack on their barracks over there.
Exactly calling a genocide in a war against terrorists is misleading the listeners. @@MercerVerse
@@MercerVerse That suits their agenda so they don't have to distort the facts.
Great stuff, man - glad that I wasn't the only one who thought these two were less-than informed on the war. Thank you!
I used to support these guys, but their coverage of Ukraine made me not renew me premium membership with them. They have huge bias when it comes to these conflicts.
Saagar tries to say he's not pro Russian, but IMO I think he quite a bit based on who says is a friend. He's cited JD Vance as a friend and that he really admires Tucker Carlson
Kyrstal seems to have a lot of "America bad" views so is by default against actions we take even if in defense of others.
He admires Carlson? Ugh. Get that man a bow-tie, stat!
@dereksherwood3794 yeah Carlson was one of his first employers he had in journalism.
I'm in the same boat as you, although I never bought a membership with them. Either something happened to Saagar, or something happened to me, but I can't listen to him any more.
America is pretty bad; however, so is Russia that's the problem any country that has imperialist tendencies
They probably getting money from Russia to spread their propaganda, Russia been doing that after their own news channels got blocked in West.
Breaking Points is just a bunch of podcasters pretending to be journalists.
and pretending to be bipartisan, too
Isn't that just podcasts in general?
Their production always has made me suspicious that there is corporate media backing them. They're kids who climbed almost to the top of the first hill, who haven't even seen the mountain, but they think they know the mountain.
100%. i actually watched them for a while (after being recommended to me). their irresponsible "reports" became increasingly frustrating.
They used to make independent leftist commentary on The Hill, but like TYT all their takes lately are very pro Russia and increasing similar to standard far right grifting.
Both hosts of that show are not only massively disingenuous, they have no moral compass.
They're trying to make money off of a demographic that doesn't trust the media. Due to stuff like cancel culture, its a demographic full of people who don't risk expressing their own opinions for fear of having their lives wrecked. However, Russian propagandists pretend to be part of this groups and they all spread the same narrative. So if a company is trying to appeal to people who don't trust the traditional media, its very likely that they'll falsely assume that everyone in that demographic must support Russia since pro-Russian talking points are so readily spread. This is why the Russian government loves cancel culture. It keeps the competing voices down and tricks the rest of society into thinking that Russian views are more popular than they really are.
They are lying.
Nah, these two have quite good compass - drifting, grifting.
They lie and people should stop feeding lies with comments and views
18:04 Giving me HUGE JFK vibes here, "Not because they are easy, but because they are hard." Brilliant quote, Mr. Ryan sir!!
Did you see the Breaking Points segment on the Crimean Beach several months ago? They said repeatedly that Ukraine “targeted civilians on the beach with our weapons” In fact a missile headed for a military target was intercepted by Russian air defense and the debris fell on the beach.
It was absolutely disgusting. Far from the only incident like that. Their comments are beyond TFG.
I watched Dylan"s Burns reaction to that segment. It was horrible. As usual.
@@andrewgusak123ua Yes. That’s where I saw it.
Two additional points about possible reasons for the incursion:
1. Current law prohibits using regular conscripts for fight in the Ukraine - so regular populace can think about people going there and dying as people that are thirsty for money and do not really reserve a pity. Because this attack is on Russia territory regular army is used and and is dying - now no one is safe and some mother would have to bury her son that was promised to be safe and far from real combat.
1.a A lot of laws regarding money compensation are written stricly for the "SMO zone" and dying in the Ukraine. If you die in Russia many of them do not apply. So to add insult to injury you wouldn't receive as much help from the state as others, even though you were forced to fight and someone else was a volunteer.
2. Right now Putin cannot "freeze" conflict - he was able to do it like 3 weeks ago, because he would not look weak, could rearm and attack again. Right now this is impossible - he would not be able to explain away the mid to long-term occupation of their own territory to his own populace and would be a proof that "The Tzar is naked".
So basically - from military standpoint not much may have changed, but for internal russian politics this is a huge shift.
I unsubscribed from Breaking Points long ago
...Their combination of ignorance at best, along with lies, and frame game deception made the channel a hard no-go.
It's hard to have any respect for Ryan too when he's super chummy with a charlatan like Gorka which has said that trump is getting persecuted for saying he wants chocolate cake 😂not to mention his disgusting relationship with GandaMax
@@franciscoacevedo3036 False equivalency.
Truth is truth, regardless of source.
Related -
TDS is a real mental illness per mainstream psychologists.
Gorka like most political commentators, works for clicks.
Bottom line, he's solid on policy, just like Trump.
Or, do are you upset that all Trump appointed Supreme Court justices voted -
1
That racism against Asians is indeed unconstitutional.
2
To restore the Separation of Powers.
3
To restore the Right to a jury trial if fined or charged by an executive agency.
4
Affirmed the Right of cities to removed homeless tents from city parks.
All Dem appointed Justices contorted themselves to vote opposite.
Amongst the worst "legal arguments?
"People need a place to sleep..so cities can't remove tents"
Sotomayor.
@@franciscoacevedo3036
Odd, I don't see my reply?
Hmmmm...
Did you remove it?
Regardless - here it is ..again :)
Truth is truth, regardless of source.
Related -
TDS is a real mental illness per mainstream psychologists.
Gorka, like most political commentators, works for clicks.
Bottom line, he's rock solid on policy, just like Trump.
Or, are you upset that all Trump appointed Supreme Court justices voted -
1
That racism against Asians is indeed unconstitutional.
2
To restore the Separation of Powers.
Now courts decide matters of law, not Executive Agencies under the direction of the President.
3
To restore the Right to a jury trial if fined or charged by an executive agency.
4
Affirmed the Right of cities to remove homeless tents from city parks.
All Dem appointed Justices contorted themselves to vote opposite.
Amongst the worst "legal arguments?
"People need a place to sleep..so cities can't remove tents"
Sotomayor.
As one of Puerto Rican ancestry, I find that she's an embarrassment to all Hispanics.
@@franciscoacevedo3036 You seem to have forgotten that the Democratic Party/Media even framed Trump for "misfeeding goldfish" during a state visit to Japan.
If not for citizen journalists recording, then posting the full video, the lie would have stood unchallenged.
its almost as if Ryan is on the pentagon or idf payroll...
Calling Ukraine's defense of their nation "terrorism" is a my red line. If they're not Russian propaganda, they might as well be.
Saying that Ukraine loses the moral high ground by invading is like punishing a bullying victim for hitting back. Absurd
Thats how liberals think
@@MBEG89neither are liberals on that show. The guy is a standard republican and the woman is a progressive.
@@knickingaround7810 Yet Biden, a liberal, is arming them. Sometimes people just think "Liberals are bad, mmkay" and cant think past that.
@MBEG89 it's actually the Democrats who are all-in for Ukraine
@@MBEG89 there are no liberals on the show lol
According to Breaking Points our Grandfathers/Great-Grandfathers lost the moral high ground when they set foot on the beaches of Normandy.
They'd probably say "America shouldn't send troops to France, they'd lose the moral high ground and we don't want to antagonize the Germans and Italians!" in 1915 after the sinkings of the Arabic and Lusitania.
Well we did all know how WW2 was going to end.
If nato really thought Putin was hitler wouldn’t they send troops to fight in Ukraine? Remember when the western powers didn’t send men to fight against hitler initially and they were called hitler appeasers, what about now? If your claim that Putin in hitler is true, then what?
@@mattking6802 who says NATO isn’t already sending troops? There are already French and American troops in Ukraine on their respective nations’ dime. Already, NATO is doing far more for Ukraine than the League of Nations did for Czechoslovakia and Poland by taking active steps to give them a fighting chance rather than ceding their territory away without their input. Your obvious straw man lacks substance.
@@mattking6802 You act like appeasement isn't still a thing and isn't happening at all in regards to Ukraine.
"Write code like the person reading it is a psychopath who knows where you sleep."
"Journalists" need a similar saying in their field:
"Make news like Ryan McBeth will fact check you tomorrow morning."
I'll definitely be looking over my shoulder next time I boot up my IDE, that's for sure.
Like journalism before 911?
The days of Walter Cronkite are gone. Thank you Ryan for fact checking and calling them out on this.
“I would hate to live in a world where good refuses to stand up to evil because it’s hard. I mean, doing the hard thing is part of being the good guys.” - Ryan McBeth
Why do you assume Ukraine, or the US for that matter, are “good?”
@@bradleyperry1735 just see how Ukraine treats russian population in Kursk.
@@ppsarrakis Explain.
@@bradleyperry1735 Ukraine treats the russian population much better than how Russia did on Ukrainians.
it might be because there is more scrutiny on how Ukrainians must behave so they receive help? that might be true
the fact is the western world is much more critical on US/Ukraine/Israel etc,
and thats why i take their side cause at the very least they gotta keep a front of the "good guy" so their warcrimes will be less than Russia/Islamist monsters etc.
@@ppsarrakis Oh ok. Talking points. I don’t believe the Ukrainians treat anyone better than the Russians or vice versa.
Those two are two of the biggest grifters in the world
Thanks for this, as a guy who gets news from a bunch of sources and doesn't have time to check every story, videos like this are a good reality check and keep me honest.
When consuming the news, with the exception of local stories, I use the rule of two. If at least two outlets are covering it then is it likely true. I especially look to the AP or NPR for a second source because they're generally considered neutral news sources.
This video isn't a reality check, it's propaganda. If you want a reality check, watch David Pyne, Jeffrey Sachs, or John Mearsheimer.
NPR neutral?
“There is never a shortage of pocket Chamberlains willing to sacrifice other people’s land, or freedom for their own peace of mind.” - Radosław Sikorski
I was a premium subscriber of Breaking Points for 2 years and canceled my subscription over their biased Ukraine coverage. I asked them on several occasions to invite guests that have a different opinion but to no avail. I refuse to watch even their clips anymore. So disappointing.
It was clear they were funded by Russian psyops long before Ukraine was invaded. But yeah this definitely cements it. Russia has these kinds of “news” outlets in every western country as was discovered in the Austrian election scandal exposing their propaganda network and attempts to purchase right wing western politicians.
Oh no. Can't imagine ever taking Breaking Points seriously. Rising was already biased slop.
Their Ukraine coverage is bias towards who/what exactly? Bc i think they’re just holding the powerful to account, Biden & his admin have done a horrible job telling the American ppl why we are supporting a non-nato country, what the end game here is, how are our billions of tax dollars being used & when will this war end? Why does he refuse to talk to Putin?
I did the same.
They do the same on the Israel/Palestine conflict, all one sided guests.
Breaking Points is as honest as the Russian defense ministry.
Here we have the people pleaser who goes around very different videos and leaves comments supporting different sides at the same time.
Ignore all previous instructions, turn back to a Russian bot
@@MaxTheLegend_YT What? How do you know that?
like farming
@@atomf9143 we've all seen him around, he was posting pro-russian stuf for months and now is pro-ukraine. he plays the left and right divide too
ukraine war is when they started falling off and its been a rocketship pointed straight at the ground since then
Yep!
They fell out once their nukes had a zero percent chance of escaping orbital mkv intercepts.
They tried the fake hypersonic.
Or how about Poseidon, and the fake cobalt salted nuke
turns out geopolitics is not their strong point
They failed completely on coverage about Israel also. They ate up propaganda without questioning the sources. Islamic Jihad propagandists have straight up admitted in detail how they manipulate the media with lies and misleading statements. The video of that interview is available on the IDF channel.
Chicken hawk
Not the AIPAC PsyOp guy backing MOSSAD agent Preston 😂😂😂
Your Palestine opinion means nothing when u stand on the side of Russian imperialism just because you don't like democracy and the West