He should just take a page out of Tim Duncans book. They are more similar in some ways. Duncan was not the flashiest player and his domination was based on methodical movements, not any kind of agility reflex.
Easier said than done. Just because you are moving slowly and pacing your movements doesn't mean you aren't being reflexive. Those micro movements and the ability to mirror is WAY harder. Duncan's proprioception -- his ability to control his body and know where he is in space -- was other worldly. You're thinking of _old_ Tim Duncan but Tim at 22 was an insane athlete. SA literally played him at SF. Edey just can't move his body like that.
I hate these type of comments-....just a lot of wishful thinking. Tim Duncan wasn't fast but he was quick in his prime. Go back and look at some of his game during his prime years. Now if you're comparing his ability to move to Duncan's last year in the league I'll give you that but no way did he have or has ever had Duncan's IQ.
I think a lot of people, including yourself, just didn't see pre-injury Duncan in the 90s and very early 00s. Even prime Duncan was only playing on one-and-a-half knees, and while he wasn't a living highlight reel, he was still a very mobile and athletic player. Like there is a reason why he was considered a truly generational talent coming out of college, he could've gone in the 96 draft (an all-time draft, unlike 97 which was ass aside from Duncan) and STILL gone first overall over Iverson. In particular prime Duncan simply did not miss paint rotations and was always able to reposition after drop offs. That said, Duncan's floorbound style of rim protection probably is his best bet for protecting the rim, just using size, strength and length to contest shots and not even bothering jumping unless absolutely necessary. That will allow him to move around the paint far better, though still not as well as Duncan.
another thing to note is how quickly he is improving. only started playing basketball mid high school, went from practically not contributing first year of college to ending as one of the most dominant college players ever. I think he could take another jump again in the next 2-3 years
Bingo. Remember the clowning he got his freshman and sophomore year🤣he was so goofy. And then just like that he became a beast. He’s well worth the pick and ‘risk’ grizzlies took on him
Because teams wanted him due to his height. Purdue is a D1 Power 5 College that offered him a scholarship as a 3 star recruit. Not an opportunity the average person gets. Most people would improve quickly with that kind of scholarship.
I don’t think it is Wemby has that potential and Edey was undoubtedly a generational college player…these days players who could become that good in college go to the NBA early
@@stevenbresselsmith6906 ya because media wants to hype things up…I don’t think that takes away from either Wemby or Edey as being generational in their respective leagues last year…usually 7-4 guys are not as skilled coordinated or athletic..generally they are more like Boban
I could be wrong, but I feel like timing on shot blocking is less of an innate ability and more something you can practice just by playing and getting reps
I completely disagree, shot block timing can be practiced yes but there’s an innate ability some players have to track the ball on the floor which can translate to being a great shot blocker naturally
JJJ can definitely help him with that ability but he has to kinda figure that out. I’m sure he’ll get it down eventually, but there’s definitely gonna be a ceiling to it. With jjj tho I’m sure his length and frame will be more than enough to be of use to the grizz.
@@Grind2Excellence wait, isn't hakeem the all-time blocks leader? And he didn't even play basketball until highschool. He play soccer as a goalkeeper though
Best analysis of Edey that I've seen. Thanks for the good work. As far as Edey goes, one thing that everyone seems to miss is his trajectory of improvement. He is going to work on every aspect of his game and improve it, and fix those areas if you can go by what he's done every year for the last 6 years ( or whatever it is) since he started playing basketball. Plus it seems like he can be a genuine 3 pt threat. He'll start hitting a couple of them every game, if they get the ball to him. He's smart and he listens and he's got the raw ability. I expect to see him in the all star game either this year or next. We all just hope he stays healthy. He played a lot of minutes every night at Purdue, 30+ I believe, and he never missed a game for injury. He'll get more and more minutes as the season wears on. I expect a double double every night. We'll see, right?
@@jlui21I’m thinking Gobert-ish but can actually do something with the ball. Might not be that level of d but that archetype. And maybe I’m describing Shawn Bradley rn. Idk. A lil bit before my time.
He weights 305 7’4 if he has just enough skill which from watching he does he will be useful because his size and could even dominant certain teams based on Matchup opportunity
@@mrevilducky -- the hook shot so underrated. Kareem had the greatest shot: SKY HOOK. The hook is not sexy but damn, such a good shot to master. I feel like a 1960s plumber whenever I shot it.
I think there is a more growth coming in Eddy game. He only started playing in high school.... He is still learning the game. I think either the passing or shooting will develop in the next couple years. I think he will be a solid starter in the NBA for a long time.
About his defense, I do think guys like Chet and Wendy are better defenders by a lot. But against the few post juggernauts like Jokic and Embiid I think Edey will do better. Like I have no idea how Jokic will attack Edey in the post, of course Jokic has his ways so I’m not sure.
Jokic will play him like he does Wemby: he will use floaters to neutralize the height/length advantage. Jokic has great touch and if Wemby and Gobert can’t stop him no one really will
It's funny. Jokic likes to use his weight to play bully ball, but when he runs into one of the few physical defenders in the league, he doesn't like it. I can still remember what Dwight Howard did to him in the playoffs. Then again, Jokic can step out and shoot 3's on Edey all day long. He didn't really have a 3 point game in 2020 on the level that he does now.
I’m rooting for him I hate how nowadays we say “he’s a post player he won’t work out” like no, elite post scoring will ALWAYS have a place in basketball
I'm not worried about his defense. Rudy Gobert has similar mobility and nobody ever complains about it. I know that Rudy really makes up for it with his strengths, Edey's strengths are similar and he's a rookie. He'll learn. What I am concerned about is his offense. Zach Edey is fools gold. Can he set screens and get offense rebounds? Yes. But that's all he's going to give Memphis. I've watched him play 3 games and EVERY basket that he scored was from a drop pass into the dunker spot, or from a post up. None of his post ups shown here are with Ja Morant on the floor.Ja Morant was 4th in the league in usage rate before his suspension. This team is going to go through Ja for offense. That means Edey is not posting up, clogging up the lane for Morant. Edey will set screens and not get a whole lot of pick and roll touches (he's got a lot of growing to do as the roll man). Edey will also get drop passes and lobs in the dunker spot. He will get offensive rebound put backs. His post up game will not happen at all when Ja is on the floor. I expect him to be a Steven Adams 2.0 it's 2024, not 1994. Post up touches are not going to go to him in the regular season. Also, I'm going to reveal my age here a bit and tell a story. Coaches like to decide what a player is going to be and put them in a box. Players can either live in that box, or be so damn amazing that they don't listen to their coach, and get some back up from management to keep doing what they do, and then the coach gets fired and the player can thrive. Case in point: Kurt Thomas. He was another generational big man in college. He averaged 30 points per game in division one college. That's almost unheard of. Kareem Abdul Jabbar type of college numbers. He also fell in the draft. What's really crazy was that this was in the 90's when post play was big, but I digress. The Knicks got Thomas in the late first round. I watched every Knicks game that I could the following season, thinking that Thomas was going to be the steal of the draft. He never got into the game. Finally, one game late into the season, with Patrick Ewing out due to injuries and foul trouble (IIRC Someone else got injured mid game too) Jeff Van Gundy had to put Tomas in the game. Thomas goes straight to the block, posts up, and scores. Van Gundy glares at him. Next time down, Thomas on the block, posts up and shoots. Van Gundy is yelling at him. Thomas goes like 3 for 4 over the next 8 possessions or so. Van Gundy is pissed. He yanks Thomas from the game. Kurt Thomas played 20 years in the NBA. All that he ever did was rebound and shoot put backs on offensive boards. This is exactly what is going to happen to Zach Edey.
in Memphis and Ja defense, Ja didn't play a lot of preseason game maybe 3-4 games. Also Ja only played about 20 mins a piece give or take a minute. A lot of times Ja and Edey weren't on the court together either. Edey got a lot of play with Yuki and Jaylen Wells. Few runs with Desmond Bane as well. I have a few reason on why that was the case - but i think your overacting on preseason. First couple of games the Grizz admitted they needed to use Edey more. Notice in game 3 or 4 the ball was coming to him more and he had more post up. Keep in mind the last time this team had a big that can score (A center) was with Jonas V...That was like 5 years ago.. so they have to get use to having a big man threat in the paint to feed.
@@postsniper-7532 Gobert is the BEST PnR/help defender by every conceivable metric for the last decade. Not the worst. You realize we can actually track and measure this stuff, right? 🤦♂️ This is like saying Steph Curry is the worst shooter in the NBA Rudy's playoff issues are more about his offense because teams can go small which pulls him out of the paint on defense and he can't make them pay for it on offense. His one big weakness is horizontal mobility. He *cannot* be in two places at once like Draymond, AD, Mobley, Tatum, Giannis, Bam, Wemby, JJJ, etc where he can take away the three and still recover to challenge shots at the rim. So if you spread him out you severely limit his impact But Rudy was still 7th in playoff plus/minus in the playoffs last year and 2nd in on/off. And even in 20-21 (vs the Clippers) he added +1.53 wins in the playoffs (per inpredictable) So you can _say_ he's "unplayable" but the results say his teams are much better with him than without him even with all his flaws
He should try watching some old Yao Ming tapes, imo Yao is pretty much the text book for supersized post scorers. Baby hook over either shoulder, fadeaways, combination of footwork and mid range jays.
He's very promising. I seen a lot of things in his 1st game where he was out of place and felt like he was lost in where he should be hanging around the block like he does. So eventually in the highlights you saw he was taken out of the game for their other big who is less of a liability and who can shoot from the perimeter. With that said, I think he'll be okay by his 3rd year if he stays healthy. He needs to get in the reps of watching tape and dissecting each player for what he might face or contend with. He also needs to figure out a way to get his feet quicker at a minimum. He can't rely on his stride to get him there as it's the reason he struggles to recover and cheating on an elite offensive player will place him on a rope every time trying to keep up as they do counters on him. In other words he needs to go the Kobe route in order to get better if he wants to prove he has a place in this 3pt shooting league beyond being a journeyman. He needs to maximize his effort on the Mikan Drill to continue improve his put back ability when shots are missed. He needs to contact Hakeem to get his foot work better. He needs to contact Kareem on that Hook so he can get more versatile with his favorite shot selections beyond shooting from the front of the rim. He needs to contact Duncan on that Bank Shot so he can pull his Big ass out of the Block making him more an offensive asset between 7'- and 15' from the basket. This will also make the defense respect him giving hos teammates more look to pass to him or Ja to slip into the paint uncontested by a big more often. He needs to contact Shaq on that strong side sealing spin move so he can effectively scare his opponents into wanting to play straight up with him for fear of humiliation since he can jump higher than 3" off the ground. He needs to contact Ben Wallace for some shot blocking timing pointers. He needs to contact Rodman for some rebounding pointers. He needs to contact Stockton and Nash for some passing tips.
Most of the "good defensive possesions" are against rotational players. Is easier to defend Mathurin and Turner pick n roll, that Haliburton and turner for example or Olivier Maxence Prosper as a handler than Luka. He was not so great against starting fives even at preseason. And of course it's essential the handler not to be a good shooter, because "under" at screens is the only option for Edey
I think they can have a poor mans bucks defense with Lopez in drop and Giannis roaming. He should be decent enough on the drop and Jaren Jackson Jr is a great defender to help off of the offense certainty really helps his case regardless is an upgrade at the center position for the Grizzles. In a playoff setting I'm curious how much teams will switch hunt him in the pick n roll. Grizzles could certainly use a good defender on the wing to kind of round out the defense.
he has only been playing basketball for like what 6-7 years and is able to be a starter on a team that should be good if healthy, his timing will get better
I think everyone in the NBA is so offensively gifted that it i feel like people kind of forget how good players defense actually is. Hes always got a hand up. In the NBA thats all you really can hope to get no matter the height. And dudes still will hit it. So i feel like if he was in earlier years they would call him a goat just bc of his size. Hes had one of the best college runs of all time look at his stat line ups in college. He can also shoot free throws decently so unlike most bigs who are 7’4 he can actually get fouled and hit his free throws so he might not be as flashy but his points add up, his rebounds add up, his blocks add up, defensive pressure adds up. His screens add up.
High basketball IQ and skills will trump athleticism anyday. Just look at James Wiseman. Even a crappy Pistons team has moved on from him. Phoenix and Sacramento could have drafted Doncic, but didn't because they thought he wasn't athletic enough and drafted Ayton and draft bust Marvin Bagley. Nikola Jokic was drafted 41st in the second round. Timberwolves passed on Curry twice to draft 2 point guards that are not even in the league anymore.
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Edey is underrated imo. Which is insane considering his resume in college. I hope he gets more touches on offense because I could see him getting a lot of bigs in foul trouble as his game develops.
He's gonna have to use his intelligence, awareness and understanding to mitigate his weaknesses. He's also not a terrible free throw shooter of other players his stature which really helps.
In terms of a jumpshot I would rather see him take a page out of Jonas Valanciunas’ book and gain a mid range. A pick and roll but they drop really hard on Morant. So Edey stops at the foul line for a nearly uncontested able jumpshot. He’s already a solid free throw shooter. He doesn’t need to be a 3pt threat. But if he can hit some middys at an efficient rate, it could make life easier for the pick & roll ball handlers, and it could open up more passing lanes if the big has to be dragged out to the mid range.
Wow - you can really see the drop in weight if look at his legs and face. It will be interesting to see if he gets better at timing as a shot blocker or if he stays a hand in the shooters face guy. At least he is active, aware, and willing to learn.
I didn’t understand the major skepticisms for him on Memphis considering that is one of, if not the best situation for him right out the gate. Dam near every flaw he has can be covered up by his teammates. Sure he isn’t an elite prospect or top 3 but in the right situation he’s a net positive player for a team
He pulls defenders into the paint in an era when you want them at the 3pt line. So…no…he’s not in a good situation. He’s the opposite of what you want when your best player is Ja.
I see people say that him playing all four years in college as a negative as most stars are one and done. However for Edey, he didnt start playing basketball until high school. He needed that extra time to develop, and I think it will pay off.
Edey is a no-brainer. He takes up a lot of space in the paint and those long arms are enough to get a driver to think again. I think he has tremendous potential.
RUSTY BUCKETS WAS NOT! That man has been singing the praises for this man since he got drafted to Memphis and has been adamant on how he can be an immediate impact on the court.
For the most part, this staff has proven to be fairly patient, has been good developing guys and there's nobody else on the roster with his skillset. As long as he doesn't get hurt, he'lll be fine.
I don’t understand I watched people shit on Zack eddey for the past year but I never saw a problem with his game he looks great none stop it’s awesome to watch glad I didn’t write bro off
I mean people have taken much greater risks for mediocre talent in mediocre draft classes, not to mention overseas athletes’ hype over the last 5 years. Dude has one of the best collegiate performances ever and it’s a “risk?” Come on. Not to mention his steady improvement. This is like a Lamar Jackson, “just a running back” case with people failing to see the massive improvements from year to year. I think he will at the absolute minimum he as serviceable as Adams if he is given consistent opportunity to improve. Just mho tho.
bro if i was a 7'4 center the first move i would master would be the dream shake, then the hook shot. how do you go through high school and college and not learn these if you're that tall at that age.
The game has changed. Look at all the 7footers in the last 10 years. No one does it anymore because 1v1s on the paint is not efficient anymore and in this fast pace era, you don't want to spend 10 seconds on the paint to dream shake for 2 points when the opposing team can spend 5 to score a 3.
Why do we have to be so extreme all the time? Is he a generational talent, no. Is he a perinneal All-Star? Depends on the strength of the C position, his teammates, and record. He's not going to be a lock. Is he a starter in this league? Absolutely! I don't understand why that's not a great accomplishment. He's an upgrade from Steven Adams, who is an impactful starter on playoff teams. In a weak draft, why isn't that successful?
-- When I saw him last year (2023), I thought he was a G leaguer at best. But in these clips this year? He's gotten a lot better and looks like a decent starting Center. He'll be worth $20M/yr easy.
Edey will be fine in the league his rim protection is good, he will get exploited at times just because he is naturally slow footed but he will be good plus he’s gonna have triple J ready to swat a ball into the stands from the weak side.
03:39 he wont only struggle agaisnt the pick & pop, we will also struggle even getting back to the paint and boxout quicker rebounders. Size doesn't matter if you are behind the play
@@andrewb8074 To the pre-season? Not with serious intent. But moving like that he'd struggle to get a rebound even agaisnt the Josh Harts of the world which are greate at positioning themselves before the rebound. Specially when the opposition is playing at full pace as Edey was one of the very few players that tried his best at the pre-season.
I don’t think he will ever have Wemby’s talents. So he should forget the Finesse game, and go the brut force route. He should bulk up to 400 pounds and punish people like Shaq did back in the day
Lot of video of guys missing wide open shots. Not saying you're wrong, but Edey was at best an average defender in college. Don't quite buy it in the pros at this point, but I guess we'll see.
He should just take a page out of Tim Duncans book. They are more similar in some ways. Duncan was not the flashiest player and his domination was based on methodical movements, not any kind of agility reflex.
Easier said than done.
Just because you are moving slowly and pacing your movements doesn't mean you aren't being reflexive. Those micro movements and the ability to mirror is WAY harder.
Duncan's proprioception -- his ability to control his body and know where he is in space -- was other worldly.
You're thinking of _old_ Tim Duncan but Tim at 22 was an insane athlete. SA literally played him at SF.
Edey just can't move his body like that.
I hate these type of comments-....just a lot of wishful thinking. Tim Duncan wasn't fast but he was quick in his prime. Go back and look at some of his game during his prime years. Now if you're comparing his ability to move to Duncan's last year in the league I'll give you that but no way did he have or has ever had Duncan's IQ.
I think a lot of people, including yourself, just didn't see pre-injury Duncan in the 90s and very early 00s. Even prime Duncan was only playing on one-and-a-half knees, and while he wasn't a living highlight reel, he was still a very mobile and athletic player. Like there is a reason why he was considered a truly generational talent coming out of college, he could've gone in the 96 draft (an all-time draft, unlike 97 which was ass aside from Duncan) and STILL gone first overall over Iverson. In particular prime Duncan simply did not miss paint rotations and was always able to reposition after drop offs.
That said, Duncan's floorbound style of rim protection probably is his best bet for protecting the rim, just using size, strength and length to contest shots and not even bothering jumping unless absolutely necessary. That will allow him to move around the paint far better, though still not as well as Duncan.
another thing to note is how quickly he is improving. only started playing basketball mid high school, went from practically not contributing first year of college to ending as one of the most dominant college players ever. I think he could take another jump again in the next 2-3 years
Bingo. Remember the clowning he got his freshman and sophomore year🤣he was so goofy. And then just like that he became a beast. He’s well worth the pick and ‘risk’ grizzlies took on him
He worked hard to get better and hopefully he’ll continue
Because teams wanted him due to his height. Purdue is a D1 Power 5 College that offered him a scholarship as a 3 star recruit. Not an opportunity the average person gets. Most people would improve quickly with that kind of scholarship.
After some NBA-level conditioning, this guy is going to be a monster.
Would've figured he played before, his mom played and is a giant herself (the mythical Chinese giant genetics).
The word generational is thrown around way too freely
It was arguably one of the 5 greatest college basketball seasons ever. Idk how you define generational but that feels like an acceptable label to me.
@@HoopVenuegot his ass
I don’t think it is Wemby has that potential and Edey was undoubtedly a generational college player…these days players who could become that good in college go to the NBA early
Every year we hear it
@@stevenbresselsmith6906 ya because media wants to hype things up…I don’t think that takes away from either Wemby or Edey as being generational in their respective leagues last year…usually 7-4 guys are not as skilled coordinated or athletic..generally they are more like Boban
I could be wrong, but I feel like timing on shot blocking is less of an innate ability and more something you can practice just by playing and getting reps
I disagree
I completely disagree, shot block timing can be practiced yes but there’s an innate ability some players have to track the ball on the floor which can translate to being a great shot blocker naturally
JJJ can definitely help him with that ability but he has to kinda figure that out. I’m sure he’ll get it down eventually, but there’s definitely gonna be a ceiling to it. With jjj tho I’m sure his length and frame will be more than enough to be of use to the grizz.
Why does 6’4 Wade have the most blocks alll time? It’s not reps
@@Grind2Excellence wait, isn't hakeem the all-time blocks leader? And he didn't even play basketball until highschool. He play soccer as a goalkeeper though
Donovan Clingan is being overlooked (so far) in Portland.
It will be interesting to see these two match up again, this time in a pro setting.
Best analysis of Edey that I've seen. Thanks for the good work. As far as Edey goes, one thing that everyone seems to miss is his trajectory of improvement. He is going to work on every aspect of his game and improve it, and fix those areas if you can go by what he's done every year for the last 6 years ( or whatever it is) since he started playing basketball. Plus it seems like he can be a genuine 3 pt threat. He'll start hitting a couple of them every game, if they get the ball to him. He's smart and he listens and he's got the raw ability. I expect to see him in the all star game either this year or next. We all just hope he stays healthy. He played a lot of minutes every night at Purdue, 30+ I believe, and he never missed a game for injury. He'll get more and more minutes as the season wears on. I expect a double double every night. We'll see, right?
All star game in his first 2 years is a bit of a stretch. Not convinced he will be the starter in year 1 even.
People said similar things about Evan Mobley
Loved ur comment screw these haters
@@ProBoysOfficial11 Guess we'll find out about starter in a few days.
Edey is a baller
-- he'll be a better Shawn Bradley. Memphis will be exciting w/ Ja, JJJ, and biased Yuki.
@@jlui21I’m thinking Gobert-ish but can actually do something with the ball. Might not be that level of d but that archetype. And maybe I’m describing Shawn Bradley rn. Idk. A lil bit before my time.
With all your basketball knowledge and film breakdown you should make your perfect starting 5
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he is big, tall and move well for his size, he does not look awkward like other tall guys. He can be a solid center for years to come
keep an eye out for Yuki and Edey they’re the asian Kobe and Shaq
Shame we will never see the nets version of ben simmons and killian hayes
Edey is asian?
@@opiniononion Look at him bru
@@opiniononion His mother is Chinese.
Nah, more so like John Stockton and the mailman
25 and 12 last night. Even if he just gave you 10 boards a night, he’d be worth it as a back up. But the guy can score.
He weights 305 7’4 if he has just enough skill which from watching he does he will be useful because his size and could even dominant certain teams based on Matchup opportunity
If he learns and master the sky hook he going to dominate
I've been hearing comments like this for 30 years. It's never going to happen bud
@@mrevilduckyhe already has a very efficient hook shoot
@@mrevilducky”Joel Embiid at home:” type of template fr
He would dominate but he wouldn't be unstoppable. Wemby with a skyhook though....
@@mrevilducky -- the hook shot so underrated. Kareem had the greatest shot: SKY HOOK.
The hook is not sexy but damn, such a good shot to master. I feel like a 1960s plumber whenever I shot it.
All I heard last spring was that Edey would never amount to much in the NBA. I didn't accept that premise. But we're about to find out.
I think there is a more growth coming in Eddy game. He only started playing in high school.... He is still learning the game. I think either the passing or shooting will develop in the next couple years. I think he will be a solid starter in the NBA for a long time.
He’ll be a superstar if he develops a jump shot more of a Yao Ming type
nice analysis, SUBBED broski
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About his defense, I do think guys like Chet and Wendy are better defenders by a lot. But against the few post juggernauts like Jokic and Embiid I think Edey will do better. Like I have no idea how Jokic will attack Edey in the post, of course Jokic has his ways so I’m not sure.
Jokic is still gonna try and be physical and find a way because he’s one of best offensive players we’ve seen
@@WestCoastCheeseHeadi don’t think physically Jokic is gonna be able to dominate edey but who knows
Jokic will play him like he does Wemby: he will use floaters to neutralize the height/length advantage. Jokic has great touch and if Wemby and Gobert can’t stop him no one really will
It's funny. Jokic likes to use his weight to play bully ball, but when he runs into one of the few physical defenders in the league, he doesn't like it. I can still remember what Dwight Howard did to him in the playoffs. Then again, Jokic can step out and shoot 3's on Edey all day long. He didn't really have a 3 point game in 2020 on the level that he does now.
@@Davivd2 yeah I agree. How much does edey weight compare to Jokic?
Great video Papi Venue
I feel like you can get better and learn how to time blocks over time. Definitely a skill Edey will learn as he gets more reps.
I’m rooting for him I hate how nowadays we say “he’s a post player he won’t work out” like no, elite post scoring will ALWAYS have a place in basketball
Also worth reminding everyone that he's entering his 8th year of organized basketball. He's still learning and improving.
12:07 "I'm gonna pass it. I'll really pass! Ok pass."
Great overview
I'm not worried about his defense. Rudy Gobert has similar mobility and nobody ever complains about it. I know that Rudy really makes up for it with his strengths, Edey's strengths are similar and he's a rookie. He'll learn. What I am concerned about is his offense. Zach Edey is fools gold. Can he set screens and get offense rebounds? Yes. But that's all he's going to give Memphis. I've watched him play 3 games and EVERY basket that he scored was from a drop pass into the dunker spot, or from a post up. None of his post ups shown here are with Ja Morant on the floor.Ja Morant was 4th in the league in usage rate before his suspension. This team is going to go through Ja for offense. That means Edey is not posting up, clogging up the lane for Morant. Edey will set screens and not get a whole lot of pick and roll touches (he's got a lot of growing to do as the roll man). Edey will also get drop passes and lobs in the dunker spot. He will get offensive rebound put backs. His post up game will not happen at all when Ja is on the floor. I expect him to be a Steven Adams 2.0 it's 2024, not 1994. Post up touches are not going to go to him in the regular season.
Also, I'm going to reveal my age here a bit and tell a story. Coaches like to decide what a player is going to be and put them in a box. Players can either live in that box, or be so damn amazing that they don't listen to their coach, and get some back up from management to keep doing what they do, and then the coach gets fired and the player can thrive. Case in point: Kurt Thomas. He was another generational big man in college. He averaged 30 points per game in division one college. That's almost unheard of. Kareem Abdul Jabbar type of college numbers. He also fell in the draft. What's really crazy was that this was in the 90's when post play was big, but I digress. The Knicks got Thomas in the late first round. I watched every Knicks game that I could the following season, thinking that Thomas was going to be the steal of the draft. He never got into the game. Finally, one game late into the season, with Patrick Ewing out due to injuries and foul trouble (IIRC Someone else got injured mid game too) Jeff Van Gundy had to put Tomas in the game. Thomas goes straight to the block, posts up, and scores. Van Gundy glares at him. Next time down, Thomas on the block, posts up and shoots. Van Gundy is yelling at him. Thomas goes like 3 for 4 over the next 8 possessions or so. Van Gundy is pissed. He yanks Thomas from the game. Kurt Thomas played 20 years in the NBA. All that he ever did was rebound and shoot put backs on offensive boards. This is exactly what is going to happen to Zach Edey.
Youre worried about his offense but hes the 5th option anyway so who cares?
in Memphis and Ja defense, Ja didn't play a lot of preseason game maybe 3-4 games. Also Ja only played about 20 mins a piece give or take a minute. A lot of times Ja and Edey weren't on the court together either. Edey got a lot of play with Yuki and Jaylen Wells. Few runs with Desmond Bane as well. I have a few reason on why that was the case - but i think your overacting on preseason. First couple of games the Grizz admitted they needed to use Edey more. Notice in game 3 or 4 the ball was coming to him more and he had more post up. Keep in mind the last time this team had a big that can score (A center) was with Jonas V...That was like 5 years ago.. so they have to get use to having a big man threat in the paint to feed.
Gobert is literally the worst pnr/ help defender in the league it’s the reason he’s almost unplayable in the playoffs
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@@postsniper-7532 Gobert is the BEST PnR/help defender by every conceivable metric for the last decade. Not the worst. You realize we can actually track and measure this stuff, right? 🤦♂️
This is like saying Steph Curry is the worst shooter in the NBA
Rudy's playoff issues are more about his offense because teams can go small which pulls him out of the paint on defense and he can't make them pay for it on offense.
His one big weakness is horizontal mobility. He *cannot* be in two places at once like Draymond, AD, Mobley, Tatum, Giannis, Bam, Wemby, JJJ, etc where he can take away the three and still recover to challenge shots at the rim. So if you spread him out you severely limit his impact
But Rudy was still 7th in playoff plus/minus in the playoffs last year and 2nd in on/off. And even in 20-21 (vs the Clippers) he added +1.53 wins in the playoffs (per inpredictable)
So you can _say_ he's "unplayable" but the results say his teams are much better with him than without him even with all his flaws
He should try watching some old Yao Ming tapes, imo Yao is pretty much the text book for supersized post scorers. Baby hook over either shoulder, fadeaways, combination of footwork and mid range jays.
He's very promising. I seen a lot of things in his 1st game where he was out of place and felt like he was lost in where he should be hanging around the block like he does. So eventually in the highlights you saw he was taken out of the game for their other big who is less of a liability and who can shoot from the perimeter. With that said, I think he'll be okay by his 3rd year if he stays healthy. He needs to get in the reps of watching tape and dissecting each player for what he might face or contend with. He also needs to figure out a way to get his feet quicker at a minimum. He can't rely on his stride to get him there as it's the reason he struggles to recover and cheating on an elite offensive player will place him on a rope every time trying to keep up as they do counters on him.
In other words he needs to go the Kobe route in order to get better if he wants to prove he has a place in this 3pt shooting league beyond being a journeyman. He needs to maximize his effort on the Mikan Drill to continue improve his put back ability when shots are missed. He needs to contact Hakeem to get his foot work better. He needs to contact Kareem on that Hook so he can get more versatile with his favorite shot selections beyond shooting from the front of the rim. He needs to contact Duncan on that Bank Shot so he can pull his Big ass out of the Block making him more an offensive asset between 7'- and 15' from the basket. This will also make the defense respect him giving hos teammates more look to pass to him or Ja to slip into the paint uncontested by a big more often. He needs to contact Shaq on that strong side sealing spin move so he can effectively scare his opponents into wanting to play straight up with him for fear of humiliation since he can jump higher than 3" off the ground. He needs to contact Ben Wallace for some shot blocking timing pointers. He needs to contact Rodman for some rebounding pointers. He needs to contact Stockton and Nash for some passing tips.
in what world is timing not something you can improve on
Most of the "good defensive possesions" are against rotational players. Is easier to defend Mathurin and Turner pick n roll, that Haliburton and turner for example or Olivier Maxence Prosper as a handler than Luka. He was not so great against starting fives even at preseason. And of course it's essential the handler not to be a good shooter, because "under" at screens is the only option for Edey
I think they can have a poor mans bucks defense with Lopez in drop and Giannis roaming. He should be decent enough on the drop and Jaren Jackson Jr is a great defender to help off of the offense certainty really helps his case regardless is an upgrade at the center position for the Grizzles. In a playoff setting I'm curious how much teams will switch hunt him in the pick n roll. Grizzles could certainly use a good defender on the wing to kind of round out the defense.
We have second coming of Grit and Grind Grizzlies before GTA 6
Bigger Gobert with better scoring
he has only been playing basketball for like what 6-7 years and is able to be a starter on a team that should be good if healthy, his timing will get better
HV do you think you'd be able to reupoload your top 100 all time video series anytime soon
Great video I agree with everything you said
Great video HV, what do you think Edey’s ceiling Is, 5-6 years from now barring health?
Make a breakdown on Donovan Clingan please!!!!
I think everyone in the NBA is so offensively gifted that it i feel like people kind of forget how good players defense actually is. Hes always got a hand up. In the NBA thats all you really can hope to get no matter the height. And dudes still will hit it. So i feel like if he was in earlier years they would call him a goat just bc of his size. Hes had one of the best college runs of all time look at his stat line ups in college. He can also shoot free throws decently so unlike most bigs who are 7’4 he can actually get fouled and hit his free throws so he might not be as flashy but his points add up, his rebounds add up, his blocks add up, defensive pressure adds up. His screens add up.
High basketball IQ and skills will trump athleticism anyday. Just look at James Wiseman. Even a crappy Pistons team has moved on from him. Phoenix and Sacramento could have drafted Doncic, but didn't because they thought he wasn't athletic enough and drafted Ayton and draft bust Marvin Bagley. Nikola Jokic was drafted 41st in the second round. Timberwolves passed on Curry twice to draft 2 point guards that are not even in the league anymore.
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Edey will dominate the league soon he’ll be at a point he’s averaging 20 & 13
Edey is underrated imo. Which is insane considering his resume in college. I hope he gets more touches on offense because I could see him getting a lot of bigs in foul trouble as his game develops.
He'll be an all star in three years tops.
He's gonna have to use his intelligence, awareness and understanding to mitigate his weaknesses. He's also not a terrible free throw shooter of other players his stature which really helps.
@9:34 Edey was definitely throwing those elbows like the big man Shaq. Gafford got leveled 😂
Really reasonable takes compared to the usual Edey discourse. Enjoyed the video. Keep it up.
He is going to be just fine. he is smart and still learning. wait and see.
3:32 im sorry wtf did i just watch the ball handler get away with
In terms of a jumpshot I would rather see him take a page out of Jonas Valanciunas’ book and gain a mid range. A pick and roll but they drop really hard on Morant. So Edey stops at the foul line for a nearly uncontested able jumpshot. He’s already a solid free throw shooter. He doesn’t need to be a 3pt threat. But if he can hit some middys at an efficient rate, it could make life easier for the pick & roll ball handlers, and it could open up more passing lanes if the big has to be dragged out to the mid range.
Wow - you can really see the drop in weight if look at his legs and face. It will be interesting to see if he gets better at timing as a shot blocker or if he stays a hand in the shooters face guy. At least he is active, aware, and willing to learn.
I didn’t understand the major skepticisms for him on Memphis considering that is one of, if not the best situation for him right out the gate. Dam near every flaw he has can be covered up by his teammates. Sure he isn’t an elite prospect or top 3 but in the right situation he’s a net positive player for a team
He pulls defenders into the paint in an era when you want them at the 3pt line. So…no…he’s not in a good situation. He’s the opposite of what you want when your best player is Ja.
I see people say that him playing all four years in college as a negative as most stars are one and done. However for Edey, he didnt start playing basketball until high school. He needed that extra time to develop, and I think it will pay off.
Kareem, time to teach the skyhook to this man !
if he develops an actual post game i'mma start callin' this man Godzilla
Im so glad Memphis grabbed him. He was my mock pick for the Grizzlies
I hope he ends up as a more defensive/offensive capable steven Adams type player.
Zach Edey ROTY 💯
lane defence going up
Edey is a no-brainer. He takes up a lot of space in the paint and those long arms are enough to get a driver to think again. I think he has tremendous potential.
3:13 nah he just missed😔
Were they? 😮
15 minutes.... 6 fouls
Tough to score when you riding the bench for 33 minutes.
Only generational talent in NBA is Wemby stop overusing the term
Dont sleep on edey wemby is going to have a tough time trying to guard him
RUSTY BUCKETS WAS NOT! That man has been singing the praises for this man since he got drafted to Memphis and has been adamant on how he can be an immediate impact on the court.
The next Steven Adam
I believe that's his floor.
Dark horse for ROY
He will play 14-16 minutes a game unless he learns to shoot 3s. He’s not winning ROY.
@@kevinc8955 He is most likely gonna be Memphis' starting Center ? Also you can have one Non shooter in a Starting 5, usually it's the C
This guy is bigger and taller than Wemby.. kinda like Yao Ming type guy . Just saying
Defense is far more difficult to learn than offense, i just hope the Grizzlies coaching staff have enough patience to truly develop him
For the most part, this staff has proven to be fairly patient, has been good developing guys and there's nobody else on the roster with his skillset. As long as he doesn't get hurt, he'lll be fine.
I don’t understand I watched people shit on Zack eddey for the past year but I never saw a problem with his game he looks great none stop it’s awesome to watch glad I didn’t write bro off
Edey is a monster, only concern is injuries
Damn defensively he looks like prime Luka out there in the first few minutes of this video
Hopefully they'll make him what they SHOULDVE made Santi Aldama
Footwork and dropping another 10lbs would make a huge difference for him with the 10-15 he has already lost
I mean people have taken much greater risks for mediocre talent in mediocre draft classes, not to mention overseas athletes’ hype over the last 5 years.
Dude has one of the best collegiate performances ever and it’s a “risk?” Come on.
Not to mention his steady improvement. This is like a Lamar Jackson, “just a running back” case with people failing to see the massive improvements from year to year.
I think he will at the absolute minimum he as serviceable as Adams if he is given consistent opportunity to improve.
Just mho tho.
By the literal definition of the word, shouldn't we hear the world "generational" ... once a generation?
Edey vs Wemby vs Jokic vs Embiid vs Sengun... ooooh.
bro if i was a 7'4 center the first move i would master would be the dream shake, then the hook shot. how do you go through high school and college and not learn these if you're that tall at that age.
The game has changed. Look at all the 7footers in the last 10 years. No one does it anymore because 1v1s on the paint is not efficient anymore and in this fast pace era, you don't want to spend 10 seconds on the paint to dream shake for 2 points when the opposing team can spend 5 to score a 3.
Being fair, the Dream Shake is really, REALLY difficult to pull off. Hence why nobody since Dream has been able to truly replicate it.
Real bigs are making a comeback
I like his body. He will be a force in the future.
Why do we have to be so extreme all the time?
Is he a generational talent, no. Is he a perinneal All-Star? Depends on the strength of the C position, his teammates, and record. He's not going to be a lock.
Is he a starter in this league? Absolutely! I don't understand why that's not a great accomplishment.
He's an upgrade from Steven Adams, who is an impactful starter on playoff teams. In a weak draft, why isn't that successful?
Purdue fan here.
All we've heard the last five years is
HUuur Duur......
He's just tall!!!!
-- When I saw him last year (2023), I thought he was a G leaguer at best.
But in these clips this year? He's gotten a lot better and looks like a decent starting Center. He'll be worth $20M/yr easy.
Edey will be fine in the league his rim protection is good, he will get exploited at times just because he is naturally slow footed but he will be good plus he’s gonna have triple J ready to swat a ball into the stands from the weak side.
if he develops a 3 ball I can see him being extremely dominant
If he can stay healthy he eats
You content creators love preseason….
I love basketball.
I can't believe Edey can basketball and here's why!
03:39 he wont only struggle agaisnt the pick & pop, we will also struggle even getting back to the paint and boxout quicker rebounders. Size doesn't matter if you are behind the play
You haven't been paying attention.
@@andrewb8074 To the pre-season? Not with serious intent. But moving like that he'd struggle to get a rebound even agaisnt the Josh Harts of the world which are greate at positioning themselves before the rebound. Specially when the opposition is playing at full pace as Edey was one of the very few players that tried his best at the pre-season.
This guy's going to be better than wemby.
“They” are usually wrong.
If I were him, ALL the training would be about mobility.
I don’t think he will ever have Wemby’s talents. So he should forget the Finesse game, and go the brut force route. He should bulk up to 400 pounds and punish people like Shaq did back in the day
Literally was preseason
Well done. He will be a 20-10 guys in two years. Great draft pick in a weak draft
Lot of video of guys missing wide open shots. Not saying you're wrong, but Edey was at best an average defender in college. Don't quite buy it in the pros at this point, but I guess we'll see.
If the grizzlies just had Cam Spencer and Edey they would make the playoffs. Y’all gonna learn.
Looking at edey stiffness make me wonder how much of an rare alien wemby is
WE ?! who the hell is OUI ? are WE speaking french ?!
He greater than Wemby
Dude with JJJ next to him he will be just fine
The so caled experts were wrong. But i wasnt
Looks good to me