Just want to give Katie some props as a mother of 2 little kids (we had to plan out her time to call after dinner) for putting herself out there calling this one in and taking a shot at $5-10 after quickly moving up through the stakes.
From Katie (the caller) -- "Just wanted to say thanks for the props in the comments on RUclips after posting my call. Trying to take the comments in stride, not that anyone’s saying anything too terrible (yet). I want to learn, and since I’m already 38 I’m trying to learn as fast as possible and break out of the “weak tight” mold. Calling in to your show and seeing my play from your and other people’s perspective is definitely eye-opening so thanks for the opportunity. I didn’t want to post a thank you to you in the RUclips comments since my Google account includes my last name. All the best, Katie "
@@CrushlivePoker i do because the line makes no sense. What plays this way maybe a partial of AA, that’s one partial combo if villain has Ax. No one raises AK here so imo it’s a great merge spot. Some players may fold AK which is a chop, some may call with a worse ace.
I have played several sessions with Katie. She is a solid player + I always enjoy chatting poker strategy with her. It is inspiring to see her so committed to excelling her game with so much on her plate at home. I look forward to seeing her growth + playing some more hands with her.
I really appreciate her honestly and openness about taking her shot in higher stakes and how it effected her decisions. I’ve been thinking about jumping up this year but have been too chicken
Shouldn’t it be 435? Minus rake but they don’t consider rake when discussing the hand ever. 5 + 10 + 20 = 35. 200 + 200 + 35? Maybe I’m wrong but they both got the same number. Anyone care to explain?
@@seanm3189 it’s actually $425, which is what Bart shows on his graphic despite him saying $420 on the call. You’re double counting Hero’s blind by including it in her $200 3bet. That’s why you came up with $435.
Aww, I’ve never played with Katie. But I was at 2/5 while she was playing this game against a couple of regs from 2/5. She’s probably not the only one taking a shot on that table lol
It seems unlikely villain is turning JJ into a bluff trying to move hero off of a big ace. For thick value villain has boats quads and one combo of a6s and one combo of exactly athh. So 7 total combos. Villain has 6 combos of ak himself he could value bet so for that reason alone you need to call. He could also do this with aqs or ajs simply reasoning that hero would *always* bet an ace on the flop and is stubbornly holding on with KK or QQ or a garbage suited ace such as a7s. Once in a blue moon you will see a pure power play with a baby pair but those are the only bluffs that are close to natural, the guy is just praying she folds or he backs into a boat. He'd have to have giant balls to do this with kq and you would know he was loco by now I think playing with him for a few hours. I think the interesting part of this hand is if you should really check the flop. I think it's a mistake because you're checking to induce, which may work, but you may induce him to be tripling 10% of the time, whereas had you bet he might be bluffing 0% of the time. Unfortunately you're still now paying him off the 90% of times he triples off with value, whereas had you bet, you might be able to escape from your hand when you face a fat turn raise, because you have shown strength in the hand. Also if he does hold aqs, you are missing value because he is often going to pot control that holding at some point in the hand if you allow him to. If you're checking to induce, check with a worse ace because aj does just as well versus bullshit and can't extract value itself, but ak can.
Shouldn’t it be 435? Minus rake but they don’t consider rake when discussing the hand ever. 5 + 10 + 20 = 35. 200 + 200 + 35? Maybe I’m wrong but they both got the same number. Anyone care to explain?
Played a similar 3 bet pot 2 days ago except I thought I was freerolling diamonds but the villain happened to have the 1 combo of AA. I get setups from time to time, but rarely where I have no thoughts about pot control even if I decide against it. It's just something that happens. I don't think I should adjust anything.
personally i wouldnt be taking shots at this level if i was this scared to make this calls and call a raise with AK if im 3 better and c better.... this is the type of passive play i walk all over
We've *all* been in situations where we were nervous about the size of the game or the amount of money we had on the table. But making a smaller 3bet than she knows she should is just going put her in tough spots. If she makes it $250, maybe he folds. The stacks definitely get shorter. If you're nervous about playing a bloated pot OP in a big game, sure. So flat the AK and take your chances. But putting in a too-small 3bet only makes it worse.
@@pugsnhogz No a small 3bet is not better OOP because the IP villain is never going to fold to it. So ur playing a bloated pot where ur small 3bet accomplished nothing. Flatting is bad too, but not as bad because u can get away from the hand easily.
idk if he bets turn with pocket 6, pocket 5 or A6suited as he has board on lock, there are not many combos available assuming he called the 3 bet with those combos & most importantly the way she played hand makes her hand seem weaker than what it is. Idk that villain can have many hands that beat her & while her check on flop was unorthodox given she played it that way and the draws missed I think her play on turn and river was perfect. She was a great caller & one thing that wasn't mentioned was by her playing hand this way as a 3bet check call, check call, check call she has protected her range. If she's a bit nervous and playing up to take a shot it's good to send the message that she can check call with high value hands so the other players don't try to blow her off of every marginal made hand.
I was thinking AK from the turn on wards. Pretty much the only hand that makes sense for those sizings, and they are not 4 betting against a tight 3 bet range.
Stopped at 13:00. Snap call as played, snap call if he shoved, as played. Check raising the river would likely only be called when you chop or you are beat. Maybe AhQh will call a river check raise. I'd expect to see foe have AK here a high percentage of the time, and is trying to get value putting your on AQ, AJ. Actually, the more I think about it, the only foe hands that really make sense are AK, AA and TT. You block AA, there is only one combo, and you could have AA here a good deal of the time. Though you'd be giving great pot odds, a river check raise all in might get AK to fold. Your hand would look SO strong at that point, the bottom of your range would really be AK, and you could easily beat AK with AA or AT. Unless foe specifically has AhKh a river check raise all in would be a hard call for a good foe, because you could have AhTh and beat AK now, and you'd play your hand the way it was played.
I agree. I'm listening to this not understanding what exactly is in question other than calling it off. By checking the flop, she got exactly what she wanted by keeping all of his bluffs in and got three streets. Snap call. If he has it he has it shrugs
Why does having Ah matter? I don't really understand why you say maybe AhQh will call a river check-raise? Why would AhQh call but other AQ not call on the river? Can you please elaborate
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Yeah i understand that, i just want to hear the reasoning behind why having a bricked flush draw would make a river call whereas a same hand without a hearts would not
This is a standard call regardless of outcome. It sounds like shes scared $$ slightly in which it can throw off your whole game which u dont want. Stay @ your stakes.
I would really only be checking the flop to check-raise, but I would've 3bet bigger, about 3.5x-4.5x then my check-raise would've been small from BB. On a rainbow board like this it gives you a good chance to take the lead on the turn and either bluff the draw or charge villain for his possible improved draw.
Great caller, but we really need to know how she thinks she's perceived otherwise than being a woman. Does she think the guy thinks/knows she's scared money? I think that should move a lot of hesitant calls toward definite call. Also back a bunch of years people would often play the "sands hand" which was either 63 or 62, cant remember. So when she said the 6 paired I thought uh oh, not at Sands!
I kinda think the move here is to do a mergy jam to specifically try to fold AK off a chop. AK is just so often villains hand here, 55 is the only real other hand consistent with the line here.
I don't think it had anything to do with her being a woman; they could read she was nervous and uncomfortable about the stakes and that's why they would be extra aggressive when she checked.
Honestly not a whole lot to gain from this hand the check on the flop to induce/bluff catch down the line is solid as would be barrelling off no way we’re folding at any point here
Not commenting about the play here because that's not even a concern. Katie did not sound comfortable with the stake she was playing. In poker, you need to be ready to lose at least 2000bb or even more to survive the variance no matter how good you are. The more important advice would be to lower the stake to build larger bankroll, or getting staked.
@4:28 "As a woman I face a lot of aggression when I check the flop as the pre-flop aggressor". That's interesting, because very often when I check the flop after raising pre I face a bet and I always thought it's because I'm a man.
Gotta go $250+ pre here OOP. Wouldn’t have mattered in this specific scenario but 200 is going to get way too many speculative calls and makes it nearly impossible for you to have any bluffs. If you go 250 and he folds it’s not a bad outcome.
It's live poker in a 5/10 a lot if not most regs are playing with less than 15 buy ins. If he jams river, she is folding 100% of the time. I don't want to hear line talk. Is it exploitable? Yes but you don't do it vs recs and rich regs.
Yea I kind of agree with you too. The three bet sizing was kind of small. I feel like a lot of players would call in position with A10 suited. But on the other hand, A10 is unlikely to bet flop and turn when she calls after three betting from the big blind. Would more than likely be a check behind on at least one street, no?
AT suited probably definitely in opponent's range when calling the 3bet, but would they take this line when checked to on the flop? Feels like its too strong to turn into a bluff and we'd be looking to get to showdown as cheaply as possible rather than blasting off for three streets? Turning a NFD might change the line, but the flop bet wouldn't make too much sense.
@G G The only lesson gained is not to take a shot with money you can't afford or aren't confident playing with. Being honest about playing scared is fine, but you're kidding yourself if you think analysing play that's driven by the fear of losing your stack is helpful.
So do we "think she is a woman" or do we "think she will play tight because she is a woman"? These questions matter in today's game. We must first identify if the opponent is a woman or not
Big fan of the type of caller she was as well! To the point, explaining when necessary, asking questions, AND actually listening/absorbing the Information?! Perfecto 🤌
Just want to give Katie some props as a mother of 2 little kids (we had to plan out her time to call after dinner) for putting herself out there calling this one in and taking a shot at $5-10 after quickly moving up through the stakes.
She played it very well!
@@AT-bw4cm Where do you play where it's common to win $3k in a 1/3 game?
she bought in for 1.5k - 0:40
@@pokerbunny1729 😂 Poker Bunny coming in blazing hot, big-timing poor little Katie...🍿
@@AT-bw4cm thats a fake account
From Katie (the caller) -- "Just wanted to say thanks for the props in the comments on RUclips after posting my call. Trying to take the comments in stride, not that anyone’s saying anything too terrible (yet). I want to learn, and since I’m already 38 I’m trying to learn as fast as possible and break out of the “weak tight” mold. Calling in to your show and seeing my play from your and other people’s perspective is definitely eye-opening so thanks for the opportunity. I didn’t want to post a thank you to you in the RUclips comments since my Google account includes my last name.
All the best,
Katie "
To katie: I don’t know the results but you should down bet your whole range on this flop as the 3 bettor oop. As played check/jam all in on the river.
@@Stockhandle123 do you really think someone is taking this line and bet calling a river check raise as played with a worse hand?
@@CrushlivePoker i do because the line makes no sense. What plays this way maybe a partial of AA, that’s one partial combo if villain has Ax. No one raises AK here so imo it’s a great merge spot. Some players may fold AK which is a chop, some may call with a worse ace.
@@Stockhandle123 +!01
I have played several sessions with Katie. She is a solid player + I always enjoy chatting poker strategy with her. It is inspiring to see her so committed to excelling her game with so much on her plate at home. I look forward to seeing her growth + playing some more hands with her.
I really appreciate her honestly and openness about taking her shot in higher stakes and how it effected her decisions. I’ve been thinking about jumping up this year but have been too chicken
I love the tip about narrowing down the suited ace combos! Never thought about that
Anyone else notice the 420 dollar pot on 4/20 ?
I think it was pre recorded but I do think Bart smirked when he mentioned the pot size 😶🌫️😶🌫️
Shouldn’t it be 435? Minus rake but they don’t consider rake when discussing the hand ever. 5 + 10 + 20 = 35. 200 + 200 + 35? Maybe I’m wrong but they both got the same number. Anyone care to explain?
@@seanm3189 it’s actually $425, which is what Bart shows on his graphic despite him saying $420 on the call.
You’re double counting Hero’s blind by including it in her $200 3bet. That’s why you came up with $435.
@@seanm3189 Hush!
Love the continuous content! Thanks!
100% call the river. Almost every time. If he has 55. NH
Love this caller, hope she calls back sometime
Aww, I’ve never played with Katie. But I was at 2/5 while she was playing this game against a couple of regs from 2/5. She’s probably not the only one taking a shot on that table lol
It seems unlikely villain is turning JJ into a bluff trying to move hero off of a big ace. For thick value villain has boats quads and one combo of a6s and one combo of exactly athh. So 7 total combos. Villain has 6 combos of ak himself he could value bet so for that reason alone you need to call. He could also do this with aqs or ajs simply reasoning that hero would *always* bet an ace on the flop and is stubbornly holding on with KK or QQ or a garbage suited ace such as a7s. Once in a blue moon you will see a pure power play with a baby pair but those are the only bluffs that are close to natural, the guy is just praying she folds or he backs into a boat. He'd have to have giant balls to do this with kq and you would know he was loco by now I think playing with him for a few hours.
I think the interesting part of this hand is if you should really check the flop. I think it's a mistake because you're checking to induce, which may work, but you may induce him to be tripling 10% of the time, whereas had you bet he might be bluffing 0% of the time. Unfortunately you're still now paying him off the 90% of times he triples off with value, whereas had you bet, you might be able to escape from your hand when you face a fat turn raise, because you have shown strength in the hand.
Also if he does hold aqs, you are missing value because he is often going to pot control that holding at some point in the hand if you allow him to.
If you're checking to induce, check with a worse ace because aj does just as well versus bullshit and can't extract value itself, but ak can.
*0 combos of A6
Shouldn’t it be 435? Minus rake but they don’t consider rake when discussing the hand ever. 5 + 10 + 20 = 35. 200 + 200 + 35? Maybe I’m wrong but they both got the same number. Anyone care to explain?
Played a similar 3 bet pot 2 days ago except I thought I was freerolling diamonds but the villain happened to have the 1 combo of AA. I get setups from time to time, but rarely where I have no thoughts about pot control even if I decide against it. It's just something that happens. I don't think I should adjust anything.
personally i wouldnt be taking shots at this level if i was this scared to make this calls and call a raise with AK if im 3 better and c better.... this is the type of passive play i walk all over
We've *all* been in situations where we were nervous about the size of the game or the amount of money we had on the table. But making a smaller 3bet than she knows she should is just going put her in tough spots. If she makes it $250, maybe he folds. The stacks definitely get shorter.
If you're nervous about playing a bloated pot OP in a big game, sure. So flat the AK and take your chances. But putting in a too-small 3bet only makes it worse.
A somewhat small 3bet is still better than a bad flat in many situations. Flatting AK gets you in trouble often, too.
@@pugsnhogz No a small 3bet is not better OOP because the IP villain is never going to fold to it. So ur playing a bloated pot where ur small 3bet accomplished nothing. Flatting is bad too, but not as bad because u can get away from the hand easily.
idk if he bets turn with pocket 6, pocket 5 or A6suited as he has board on lock, there are not many combos available assuming he called the 3 bet with those combos & most importantly the way she played hand makes her hand seem weaker than what it is. Idk that villain can have many hands that beat her & while her check on flop was unorthodox given she played it that way and the draws missed I think her play on turn and river was perfect. She was a great caller & one thing that wasn't mentioned was by her playing hand this way as a 3bet check call, check call, check call she has protected her range. If she's a bit nervous and playing up to take a shot it's good to send the message that she can check call with high value hands so the other players don't try to blow her off of every marginal made hand.
I was thinking AK from the turn on wards. Pretty much the only hand that makes sense for those sizings, and they are not 4 betting against a tight 3 bet range.
Stopped at 13:00. Snap call as played, snap call if he shoved, as played. Check raising the river would likely only be called when you chop or you are beat. Maybe AhQh will call a river check raise. I'd expect to see foe have AK here a high percentage of the time, and is trying to get value putting your on AQ, AJ. Actually, the more I think about it, the only foe hands that really make sense are AK, AA and TT. You block AA, there is only one combo, and you could have AA here a good deal of the time. Though you'd be giving great pot odds, a river check raise all in might get AK to fold. Your hand would look SO strong at that point, the bottom of your range would really be AK, and you could easily beat AK with AA or AT. Unless foe specifically has AhKh a river check raise all in would be a hard call for a good foe, because you could have AhTh and beat AK now, and you'd play your hand the way it was played.
I agree. I'm listening to this not understanding what exactly is in question other than calling it off. By checking the flop, she got exactly what she wanted by keeping all of his bluffs in and got three streets. Snap call. If he has it he has it shrugs
Agreed
Why does having Ah matter? I don't really understand why you say maybe AhQh will call a river check-raise? Why would AhQh call but other AQ not call on the river? Can you please elaborate
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Yeah i understand that, i just want to hear the reasoning behind why having a bricked flush draw would make a river call whereas a same hand without a hearts would not
I started off at 1/2 1/3
“Oh wow”
Lol
This was a great scenario to go through!
I'm pretty sure I played with this caller on Saturday night (4/23) at Windcreek.
This is a standard call regardless of outcome. It sounds like shes scared $$ slightly in which it can throw off your whole game which u dont want. Stay @ your stakes.
Its normal to be slightly scared money when taking a shot. If she had ur mentality, she'd still be at 1/3.
Whooooo boy do I hate the flop play and thinking both.
When are you supposed to check raise the turn here?
Since your opponent keeps betting quite small…
never. mainly better calls
W/o knowing outcome I say villain has AK or AQ. 🤔 let’s see if I’m right
Yep
I would really only be checking the flop to check-raise, but I would've 3bet bigger, about 3.5x-4.5x then my check-raise would've been small from BB.
On a rainbow board like this it gives you a good chance to take the lead on the turn and either bluff the draw or charge villain for his possible improved draw.
Great caller, but we really need to know how she thinks she's perceived otherwise than being a woman. Does she think the guy thinks/knows she's scared money? I think that should move a lot of hesitant calls toward definite call.
Also back a bunch of years people would often play the "sands hand" which was either 63 or 62, cant remember. So when she said the 6 paired I thought uh oh, not at Sands!
I kinda think the move here is to do a mergy jam to specifically try to fold AK off a chop. AK is just so often villains hand here, 55 is the only real other hand consistent with the line here.
Im never folding AK here but im also not folding AQ here so a jam takes me to value town.
@@Stockhandle123 right. Some nitty players fold AK, some would call AQ. Would be a merge.
I don't think it had anything to do with her being a woman; they could read she was nervous and uncomfortable about the stakes and that's why they would be extra aggressive when she checked.
Honestly not a whole lot to gain from this hand the check on the flop to induce/bluff catch down the line is solid as would be barrelling off no way we’re folding at any point here
Not commenting about the play here because that's not even a concern. Katie did not sound comfortable with the stake she was playing. In poker, you need to be ready to lose at least 2000bb or even more to survive the variance no matter how good you are. The more important advice would be to lower the stake to build larger bankroll, or getting staked.
@4:28 "As a woman I face a lot of aggression when I check the flop as the pre-flop aggressor". That's interesting, because very often when I check the flop after raising pre I face a bet and I always thought it's because I'm a man.
whenever I check and someone bets I know its because I'm an immigrant
whenever i check and someone bets i know it's because i'm ugly. oh how i miss the masks.
Stay away from thickest stakes. She is not ready. Scared money is losing money
$420 pot on 4/20 ? It’s illegal in jersey
Just simply play this hand as bet bet bet after flop.
caller sounds like she could be ashley sleeth's mother
Gotta go $250+ pre here OOP. Wouldn’t have mattered in this specific scenario but 200 is going to get way too many speculative calls and makes it nearly impossible for you to have any bluffs. If you go 250 and he folds it’s not a bad outcome.
It's live poker in a 5/10 a lot if not most regs are playing with less than 15 buy ins. If he jams river, she is folding 100% of the time. I don't want to hear line talk. Is it exploitable? Yes but you don't do it vs recs and rich regs.
She played 1-2, 1-3, then 2-5 and never had more than 3K in her stack? 🤨
Wind creeeek
I'm pretty sure that this caller is Jesse Sylvia's wife/GF Ashley Sleeth who is a RUclips vlogger!
to all y'all saying the flop play is bad lol thank god there r "regs" who think like u guys
5:35 Bart says “In general I’m probably not going to be checking here a whole lot”. So he clearly thinks betting is a better line.
You will want to skip to this at a certain point to hear the end of the hand.
ruclips.net/video/0qSWm88441U/видео.html
check calling flop is so ugly. just bet 125.
Let's go!!!!!
Trytobeatblonde?
scared money
Bart why don’t you think he can have AT? ATs would definitely call a 3bet in position no?
Yea I kind of agree with you too. The three bet sizing was kind of small. I feel like a lot of players would call in position with A10 suited. But on the other hand, A10 is unlikely to bet flop and turn when she calls after three betting from the big blind. Would more than likely be a check behind on at least one street, no?
@@danielir yeah only two combos ATh and ATs but still!
Would keep barrelling AT on the flop and turn?? Knowing when the big blind is calling us we are value owning ourselves 99% of the time..
AT suited probably definitely in opponent's range when calling the 3bet, but would they take this line when checked to on the flop? Feels like its too strong to turn into a bluff and we'd be looking to get to showdown as cheaply as possible rather than blasting off for three streets? Turning a NFD might change the line, but the flop bet wouldn't make too much sense.
A5
Way too small of a 3bet lol
@G G No, it really doesn't. BB should just be 3-betting larger, especially when 150 BB deep.
There doesn't seem to be much point in analysing a hand that's playing with scared money. The entire thought process is influenced by that.
@G G The only lesson gained is not to take a shot with money you can't afford or aren't confident playing with. Being honest about playing scared is fine, but you're kidding yourself if you think analysing play that's driven by the fear of losing your stack is helpful.
Yelling in my car to go all in on the river for 1.6k more
This is so much fun. People analyzing a game of luck all serious
So do we "think she is a woman" or do we "think she will play tight because she is a woman"? These questions matter in today's game. We must first identify if the opponent is a woman or not
Big fan of the type of caller she was as well! To the point, explaining when necessary, asking questions, AND actually listening/absorbing the Information?! Perfecto 🤌