Carol Vorderman Is Fuming With Labour Over Natalie Elphicke's Defection!
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- Natalie Elphicke's defection hasn't gone down well with both Labour members but also non. Political commentator Carol Vorderman is fuming with Labour for accepting her in, but is she right?
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I'm with Carol on this one. There's being a broad church and all that, but then there's accepting an objectively immoral and corrupt person into your party.
Nah, this whole thing is daft. Elphicke is in the party for 6 months, she's not running as an MP at the next election. It's a 2 vote swing to Labour in Parliament right now, which could prove important as the government gets weaker. Painting this as a Labour mistake is Tory spin and it's a shame that Carol and the media in general have allowed Tory spin to make out that a Conservative MP walking on her own government to join Labour, is anything but a nail in the Conservative Party coffin. If she stayed on as a Labour candidate, then we'd have something to complain about but that's not happening.
Is she only fuming though? Not FUMING?
Labs isn't a broad church anymore, hasn't been since KidStarver took over.
@@Nameless.HermitOk then let’s have another 14 years of the tories, I don’t like it but it sends out the message that even if you’re a complete ar@#hole it’s ok to vote labour and that’s what’s needed to regain power.
Thank you for encapsulating why the Tories are the party of government and Labour are usually whining about it. Being "right" and in opposition is childish nonsense: the western allies welcomed the Soviets to their side after June 22nd 1941 and yet the day before the Soviets were supplying the Nazi with raw materials and intelligence on Aliied shipping. Anything that undermines your opponents is sound strategy and nothing undermines a parliamentary party like floor crossings.
We're now having to listen to Labour MPs defending and apologising for Elphicke. Shame on Starmer. (Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas 😢)
It’s not the individual MPs fault it’s Starmer’s and his advisors. They have to toe the line and not go off message until the GE. Infighting now will just play into Tory hands
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
And yet they say getting rid of Labour Muslim voters is shaking off fleas. It's absolutely disgusting.
@@brianferguson7840 And Starmer was not the head of Labour party then either. He is a lying snake who has ditched everything he said. He will not be getting my vote. Mr no moral compass.
All the Labour voters I know are criticising Starmer for this.Bringing in one of the WORST Tories imaginable.Elphicke was slagging off Starmer and Labour only a few months ago,and he welcomes her into the party like this! What also annoyed me was the likes of Jonathan Ashworth,Annalise Dodds and Lisa Nandy agreeing with Starmer about Elphicke being welcomed into the party and accepting her apologies.Yet when Nandy was questioned about this on QUESTION TIME by Grace Blakeney and also would the Labour Party welcome back Diane Abbott,Nandy seemed hesitant with her answer.I don’t know if this a big two fingered salute to Sunak or Starmer committing Political suicide!
Yes. A bad mistake to let her in. Much better to have turned her down, but made public that she had tried to join Labour. Hard on her, but she’s such a right-wing monster that no indignity would be too severe.
Elphicke is a Trojan Horse, and should have joined her spiritual home Reform.
Elphicke is a Trojan Horse and should have joined her spiritual home Reform.
I have to agree.
She is vile Labour would have been better to reject her defection.
It allowed Starmer to abandon the Rwanda policy with political cover and give Sunak the mother of all kickings on what would be the Tories main election platform
It was completely shamless and ruthless
No it didnt@@SlowhandGreg
@@SlowhandGreg And that is the epitome of the UK's politics.
Labour is vile, you got that right.
Can't really pick n choose which voters you want to attract when the task of winning a majority is so tough, idealism won't get the job done. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but I can see the reasoning behind it, hopefully she just fades away into the background now and she isn't standing at the next election which is good.
Well said Carol. She won’t give up her integrity just to get rid of the Tories.
she'll still vote labour i bet
Remains always better than vote for Tories....@@ANDY1985UK2011
@@ANDY1985UK2011get off your high horse you clown
Yes, obviously Vorderman is correct
Love Carol Vorderman ❤
A broad church? Yeah unless you're name is Corbyn or Abbott. Labour disgust me. Carol is spot on.
You don't like Starmer's utter ruthless or shamless streak that got canning Rwanda past the Tory msm?
The red tory insult has never been so true. Our 2 party system is just awful!
Carol is a hero to many not afraid to tell it as it is ❤
When is she going to say a left wing labour party would lose?
She was a Tory supporter all the way up to loser Johnson being in charge.
Labour are saying that they'll win most of the MP seats in Scotland, dream on as us Scots see the Labour Party for what they are.
Polls predict Labour to take 25-30 seats of the SNP...maybe more now after the recent SNP toys out the pram episodes...
Carole is 100% correct.
Labour has shown itself to be weak and lacking confidence/principles. It could easily have rejected her application on the basis of her extremist and dangerous views. Reform would have been glad to accept her.
I have an almost endless list of reasons to vote AGAINST the Tories. It's a shame that I don't have an equally long list of reasons to vote FOR Labour. And her defection to Labour has shortened that list considerably.
Starmer will abandon the Rwanda policy, all the political show last week was to give the Tories the mother of all kickings
I think it also stops them replacing Sunak and hastens a GE, migration was the rights last roll of the dice
It’s how a lot of people feel about Starmer right now.Currygate,Sue Gray,Natalie Elphicke,U Turning on Green issues,No mention of scrapping the bedroom tax.He just doesn’t do himself any favours and you can see why people don’t trust him.😾
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv feel strongly enough to give him a 4 point bump I the polls do you mean?
@@SlowhandGregI want the Tories out.I’m not happy with what Starmer’s doing.NO LABOUR supporter is happy with the appointment of Natalie Elphicke.They say ,’KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE,YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER’.Elphicke is one enemy I don’t want in the Labour Party.She’s poison.
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv yeah I wasn't too chuffed either Fridays speech and press conference changed my mind given the reaction of the Tory Msm and all thier Pearl clutching
Its clear there would have been a lot of pressure put on Labour to not ditch Rwanda, they've been bigging up stories about migrants fleeing to Ireland etc.
The broader question is Starmer is on for a bullet proof majority given the shameless and ruthless way he acted what will he do with it?
In terms of Joe Public though this really hammers Sunak will that affect the polls.
Labour lets in far right but not Diane Abbott ect ect shows where Labour is going
Labour wants to show itself to be a broadchurch... Unless you're to left, then you can just get the hell out.
@@DemonDethchase Labour lets in rightwing nut jobs shows it all
@@DemonDethchaseyes, a broad church increasingly empty on one side of the aisle!
My biggest problem with the Labour Party welcoming Nancy Elphicke in is while it might appear to be a dig in the eye for the Tories today, she clearly doesn’t support much of what the Labour Party stand for and could easily flip again, making Starmer look like a bad judge of character.
It’s also hypocritical because Diane Abbott, the most bullied woman in politics and a true socialist, has been left out in the cold.
I know it’s politics and this tawdry episode will be forgotten soon, but I feel the fallout from this may not go the way Starmer expects it to.
Spot on on Diane Abbott +1.
I don't think it's good for the general public either. The phrases "cut from the same cloth", "All as bad as each other", & "the lesser of two evils" are things the casual voter says. This action confirms what people already think.
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
IMO this is a big mistake made by Labour.
Maybe people will understand now why in Scotland we call them the red Tories
Starmer has normalized toxic xenophobia mand cronyism
Politics needs to cleaned up We need that pledge from Labour ❤
Maybe Natalie's new brush will now sweep everything clean... 😵💫
Another pledge for them to break? Why go through the motions...
More than a pledge is required. Action from Labour in the form of really beneficial policies that benefit everyone in the middle class on down to the unemployed is necessary.
Starmer's pledges mean nothing. See the trail of broken pledges to his path to become leader of the party. The man will do and say anything for power for the sake of power.
@@donttrip8282Well said. My thoughts exactly.
Thanks, Keir, I’ve been waiting for an anti worker, anti immigration, police state advocate Labour Party for years….🤬🤬🤬
Me too 🤪
Carol Vorderman is quite right. Starmer is a total disgrace for allowing Elphicke to join.
I was considering voting Labour tactically, but they're no better than the Tories. I shall vote Lib Dem now, as are many of my friends.
I am voting Green because I genuinely oppose Tory MP's and policies.
And you are the problem by not voting Labour…
@@iandavidson1Why ? I won't be voting Labour either. I have never voted Labour. I have only ever voted Green , SSP and SNP, but mostly SNP am I part of the problem? Because I see sheep voting Labour after this shite as part of the problem.
You need to vote tactically if you really want the tories out. I will be voting tactically and it's certainly not a vote for my preferred party
If you vote for the green party, you guarantee concervative will have another 5yrs on power.
@@iandavidson1 that sort of stupid rhetoric to brow beat people into voting for as little change as possible will be little comfort when we are still living under austerity, oops, I mean Reeves' fiscal rules. When real change doesn't come it won't be the fault of people who voted for that, it will be the fault of those that didn't. What a silly argument under content talking about Labour absorbing yet another Tory MP.
Carol Voderman is so much better than triple R ( Rachel Riley. )
Do you mean Rachel I don't like Muslim's person?
Do you mean Rachel I-won't-support-Manchester-United-if-they-bring-back-the-unconvicted-Mason-Greenwood?
Blue Tories and Red Tories! It makes no difference to Scotland!
Keir Starmer thinks he's playing 3D chess.
Labour stand for nothing.
He refuses to play the Tory game. They want a left wing Labour Party who looses on their left wing principles. So do you by the sounds of it.
He stands for power at any cost
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
@@judithmatthews8460. Isn’t that better than labour loosing……again?
*4D chess. She's standing down at the election, so there's a clear time element.
Starmer just needs a few more, then Rishi will be so exposed his only option will be to call the election 👍
I agree with Carol. What a travesty.
Sickening to listen to James O'Brien describe Starmer accepting this woman into the Labour Party as "genius". He really is hopeless.
i no longer listen to James because of his contribution to the Sangita Myska situation. I hope more comes out about LBC soon. In their midst, they have (in Ferrari) someone who makes Keunnsberg look like an angel!
@@starmersbarber I listened to O Brien religiously, but his stance on Gaza made me turn away. Can I ask, what is his position on Myska? I only heard him defend LBC once concrrning her, saying she was let go because of her ratings.....
@@starmersbarber what did he say about her? Oh lord, I had assumed he'd be on her side
Yes listened to that, he was obnoxious
And you wonder why so many people are undecided about Starmer or just don’t trust him with decisions like this.🤔
I have to agree, the simple answer should have been "We don't feel you are the right fit for our party".
I'm am 100% with Carol on this... politics should not be a team sport .. it should be about putting your point of view across and trying to persuade people that your ideas are what's best for the country..
What difference does it make,she has gone from one Tory party to another
Labour far too right wing to make changes that will improve the economy enough to stop the Tories from returning in 5 years time.
Max on a previous video I congratulated you for condemning Labour for taking Elphike. Now you’ve back peddled. So I withdraw that. This isn’t whether this benefits Labour or it doesn’t. It’s about integrity. For Carol and for me. For those who discard that and say it isn’t it’s about “politics”. They are the sort who have no issue looking the other way over things like “weapons of mass destruction”. I despise them
He wants to cook this topic for all viewers.... Today is condemning tomorrow finding an excuse ....
As long as the klicks are kicking it's okay.....
This is now a pro Labour channel, something has gone wrong
I feel the same. As much as the tories are two faced, corrupt and inept we shouldn't accept the other parties accept the worst elements of the tories. We can let the monster raving reform party do that!
I don't agree Max. The people that I speak to about politics, say that they are all the same. The response that you get to Labour's open arm approach to Elphicke is, 'see I told you they are all the same', and others coming to believe that.
The Tories gaslight their own MPs when they gaslight the public.. she knows Dover is in chaos just by looking out of the window.
There always has been only a marginal difference between Labour and the Tories. There is nothing 'new' about that and if people really thought differently then it's time they woke up. It hasn't been that way for 10s of years, maybe even back to the 60s. Could even be earlier. But these people are not up for election in the next elections. So all the distress is for nothing and only shows how you got into Brexit, by concentrating on side issues instead of the main one.
It’s what I hear.’THEY’RE ALL THE SAME’.’’STARMER’S A TORY IN DISGUISE’. And bringing Elphicke into the Labour Party? And you wonder why people are so unsure about Starmer.
Max is drinking Phil's coolaid. Sad to see this channel become partisan.
@@notorio526 . This division was always lurking. New Labour types who want to win. And purest of the far left….who don’t mind loosing.
I'm with Carol.
It would have been better and easier for the Knight of the Realm to join the Tory party along with Ashworth, Lammy, Kendal , Streeting Reeves to name just a few , there's a party waiting there for them
There's a lot of serious facepalming going on over elphicke, it was a bad move knowing what she did with regard to her then-husband and the victims of his abuse, there needs to be some serious vetting of any future defections, because this is not a good look for labour at all, even if it was an exercise to embarrass the tories, and in the process of their attempt at smearing, the tories have shone a light on their party's criminal behaviour, it's still not a good look to take on someone who should have ended up in contempt of court had she not been protected by the tory party...
So she should be. So should anyone with principles and a conscience.
Starmer's election slogan is:
Vote Labour - because we're all Tories now.
It's working in England, with the home owning, white middle class. Which is all he needs it to do.
Btw, I wonder how Carol feels about being gagged, by LBC, on the Sangita Myska issue?
Starmer should suspend her pending an investigation, would be so funny.
Actually that would be brilliant!
She is right. They don't need a divisive person .
Should have backed Corbyn then, only honest politician amongst them all.
Starmer showing why people are right who say he has no spine. He's as slimy as anyone. His answer when she wanted to defect should have been him saying that he disagrees with everything she stands for. He's just fortunate that most people hate the tories.
Starmer's PR exercise at PMQs but she'll never be a Labour MP
Once a Tory, always a Tory.
Labour always go wrong when they try to be 'too clever'
Brilliant Carol I couldn't agree more. We have to stamp out Corruption at every Level in Politics, I know most Political Parties are broad Churches but there are limits and this goes beyond the acceptable.
Nothing good will happen with Mandelson pulling the strings. He comes across as a slime ball just like Gove.
Completely agree
Labour is becoming as contemptible as the Tories
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
@@brianferguson7840You left out mass murder in Iraq, odd no?
@@notorio526 Hundreds of thousands of brown people thousands of miles away don't count. Apparently.
Max the part you forget is that the difference to normies about defecting to labour or standing down is zero.
Starmer is inept.
I'm not sure Starmer is inept, but he's certainly playing the toxic games. His treatment (along with Hoyle) of the SNP about the SNP ceasefire motion was far from gentlemanly and noble. Some (of course) will regard his playing the toxic games as a 'vote winner', but I'm probably too old-fashioned to endorse that.
Removing a dissenting/disharmonious voice from the opposition, opening yourself up to criticism and recieving absolutely nothing in return is not a political masterstroke.
It's inept, the signaling to the hard right that their welcome in labour is pointless because they'll go to reform anyway and your centerist base aren't pro-life, anti-immigration nutjobs to begin with.
Starmer has gained nothing with this move.
Removing an unhappy member from the opposition, opening yourself up to criticism and receiving nothing of value in return is no political masterstroke.
Starmer is inept.
Starmer showing his political ineptitude again.
Why would you remove an unpopular opponent and insert them within your own ranks when they have literally nothing of value to offer.
Starmer has managed to open yourself up to criticism and his planned "be less tribal" centerist drivel was absolutely dead on arrival.
He's still too eagar to punch left when his opponents are to the right, on the ropes, struggling and waiting to be put out of their misery.
Why would labour change a system that their members will benefit from? They listen more to big businesses than ordinary people, proving to me labour are in their pocket already.
It was and is both stupid and shameful on Labour's part. Also careless and unprofessional. It really shows they haven't an ethical bone in their body, there's nothing but opportunism from top to bottom.
she shares the views of would be Labour voters - this decision is digraceful
Lets hope this does not bite the Labour Party in the butt. Carol is quite right we need a serious cleaning of house.
*Labour under Keir Starmer **_will not_** heed your advice Max* 😠😡🤬
I am with Carol on this; and what a voice she has become. I am Labour all my life as a late 50's bloke. I am appalled by this. When this far right headbanger crossed the floor, every Labour MP, should have told her to go back. Starmer, smiling and shaking her hand. I will vote Labour. But this is appalling.
I'm 57 and always voted Labour but I won't vote for Starmer's version, they're all wrapped, tied and tangled in his love affair with Israel and I'll have no part of that.
I'm 48 and totally politically homeless..
I'm seriously thinking of writing in "Popular People's Front of Judea" on my ballot and spoiling it that way...
(reform activists take note, I'm not interested. Don't tell me to vote reform)
Starmer has spectacularly misjudged the integrity of core Labour voters, perhaps because he no longer has any integrity.
Don't vote Labour. Your vote condones this sort of crap
@@Rachel_M_look at other 3rd parties
I would accept the broad church argument if keir accepts Jeremy back in.
Yep, a massive own goal there. Labour always put their feet in it with stuff like this.
Well said, Carol. Keep up the highlighting. You're doing a fantastic job.
No tories in the Labour party - kick her out now.
Great way for the Labour Party to regain a bit of trust and push back against the red tory argument would have been to tell Elphicke to go away.
She really shouldn't be surprised.
This decision is as much about Keir’s personality and clumsy political acumen as much as anything.
i agree
why do this
1) I'd love to hear her and James O'Brien argue this out because he's very much on the side of "This is great for Labour" to the point of shouting down anyone who disagrees. And 2) Labour isn't a broad church, Labour has proven time and time again since Starmers takeover that anyone left wing is not welcome, full stop, its a broad church between the right and the center-right.
No, Max, not "to a certain extent" Labour should not be seeking to accept all new comers. Elphicke is a blight on (UK) politics and the sooner she has no career the better. By accepting her in, Starmer has given the impression that they (Labour) want to walk all over the Tories at any cost to their reputation. He should have told her to "no way" and in a press release announced his rejection of her along with his party's reasons.
Agree fully. Totally misjudged. A party has to have a core set of values. Just trying to get more and more votes at the one end will lose them at the other. Instead of accepting her he should have gone public and explained why on principle she was not acceptable. But principle is Starmers problem.
According to the usual Starmer sycophants it's a brilliant move , genius, 5d chess...when it absolutely isnt
Max is entirely correct in his analysis. IMO allowing a neo-fascist into the Labour Party is big mistake. *But this is merely a symptom of Labour morphing into something similar to Cameron's Tory Party 2.0* - and of Labour once more embracing right-wing Neoliberal Economics. This, rather than seeking to move back to the Mixed Economy model once adhered to by both main political parties prior to the arrival of Mrs Thatcher.
The stated policies which Starmer & Co are proposing to implement once in power will do little to solve or to mitigate the major problems facing our nation, to wit:
* Sky-high cost of living
* Low wages
* Gross inequality
* Massive deterioration in the rights of workers
* Massive deterioration in the rights of citizens
* Sky-high property values
* UK's inability to export goods and services easily or profitably due to the hard Tory Brexit
* Crumbling hospital buildings, school buildings, court buildings and prisons
* Severe lack of affordable housing to buy or to let
* Crumbling infrastructure (roads replete with pot holes, leaking water pipes, etc)
* Grossly underfunded and largely privatised NHS with long waiting lists
* An economy stalling thanks to Brexit and a severe shortage of skilled and unskilled workers
* The undermining of democracy and democratic accountability thanks to profoundly undemocratic legislation forced through Parliament since 2019 by Patel, Braverman and Cleverly
In order to properly address all these issues there are only two realistic solutions, namely:
1) To join the EU once more (of course this is not possible at the present time - not the fault of the Labour Party).
2) To ompose FAR higher taxation on large and multinational companies. That is the ONLY way to fund the re-building of Britain and to address most of the above issues.
But Starmer, Reeves and Streeting have made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they are NOT willing to increase taxation on large and multinational companies.
Of course, Blair's 'New Labour' also embraced Neoliberalism, and Tony Blair strongly believed in the (now widely debunked) theory of 'Trickle-Down Economics' - one of the main pillars of Neoliberal ideology.
Nowadays, anyone proposing a move back the Mixed Economy model is labelled a 'Far Left Extremist' by such figures as Peter Mandelson, Wes Streeting or Rachel Reeves. This is absurd, of course, but it is what's happening.
Totally agree with Carol on this, If they dont get rid of Elphicke before the GE ill be voting green
You mean voting so the Tories win..
If you thing Green represents you better than new Labour MP Ms Elphicke, why not vote Green anyway rather that go along with this obnoxious Conservative Il garbage?
@@johnrussell3961If Tories win ask yourself why would that be ? Because of this shite stunt move .
Has Carol, or any other broadcaster on LBC, mentioned the sacking of Sangita Myska? Great to see the brilliant Marsh family members have a song about the issue on RUclips.
Why this surprises anyone is strange. We have a Tory leading the Labour Party.
I love Carol, but if you found this surprising, then you haven't been paying attention, in particular to Starmer. It isn't going to be the progressive change some of you are still inexplicably trying to convince yourself it will be.
This move from Labour will harm the party both in the short and the long term.
Broad church? And getting broader to the right. So ashamed of Labour now, not the party I have voted for at every opportunity, where do they think they are going? I don’t think it’s in my direction.
There's no major difference between the two main parties. Gave up on Labour the moment Kier was elected leader. Looking forward, it's important Labour do not get the majority vote. We & Socialist movements should be working hard for independent candidates and even the Green party otherwise am afraid, people's disillusionment with Labour in office will lead to the rise of far right/ fascist opportunists. Let's face it we are not short of them 😅
What? Starmers replica of Ken Clarkes Tories is nothing like what the Tories have become.
That’s why he is winning over moderate centrist Tories.
Isn’t giving what most people want….Democracy?
@@johnrussell3961but you know full well that no party for nearly a century has given the majority of voters what they want. Blair's landslide win was on about 40% of the votes , ditto for Johnson
I kinda agree that we need to take people with us, but her past comments have been deplorable.
It was shamless and ruthless political opertunism by Starmer
The MSM were melting down over it all week and weekend absolutely priceless especially on the back of the yougov survey
You can say it's unprincipled but I thought it was totally brutal, one of Sunak's worst weeks
Whilst I detest the idea of Elphick sitting on the Labour benches, I can only assume Starmer considered it acceptable because she isn't standing at the next election, ergo, a tactical and publicity minded move. Still stinks though.
Carol should realize that the last two defections from the Tories to Labour stop running for Parliament.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. This demonstrates (to me at least) that they're probably both scumbags and don't give a flying fig about Labour. At least Christian Wakeford (the first defection) has fully committed himself.
Indeed. It's a non issue and only shows how the UK got itself into Brexit by concentrating on side issues instead of the main one. There really is no hope for the UK, seeing these reactions.
Politics is about perception. If people think Labour have shot themselves in the foot, then Labour have shot themselves in the foot.
'Broad Church' is such a sinister, gaslighting term.
she is always fuming. thats her thing.
I'm of the opinion that letting any member of the current tory party into the Labour Party is a bad idea. They bring their shameful records with them.
The one consolation is that, so far, both defectors are standing down at the next election.
What I would have liked to see is Labour MPs actually being honest about Elphicke's defection, not just simply spouting that she's "a good fit" or whatever other garbage they've been saying.
It won't matter in the grand scheme of things. Labour will get a landslide victory in the coming election, but it would be nice to see them distance themselves from the government instead of accepting particularly awful members of it into their own ranks.
I suppose at least it stopped a defection to Reform, which would have given them something to shout about.
Its a show for gammons. Labour need to win at all costs.
It seems the far left prefer losing! 😂
Winning at ANY cost is never a good idea
@@keithparker1346 . When has loosing been a good idea?.
@@johnrussell3961 pyrrhic victories are silly..just like Labour supporters
@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn . Democracy under FPTP is about choosing if you want the Tories or labour running the country. Something you dont seem to get.
Don't see Labour doing any of that.
If Starmer hadn't kicked out members for voicing opinion or meeting with film makers, he might have got away with this but he will have sewn the seeds of massive division.
It's about time, has she just realised they're not Labour anymore ?.
It’s about time you and her realised , the majority of seats in England are not labour!
The Tory marginals are flipping to Starmers Labour because they are nearer to a Tory centre right party they prefer.
The left just seem to think it’s a coincidence they flip when Wilson, Blair or Starmer are in charge of labour.
@@johnrussell3961 Isn't that just what I said ?.
I'm 100% in agreement with Carol Vorderman. Though accepted with caution, I had my reservations with the last defector who worked as an NHS doctor; but that 'broad church' notion doesn't stretch to me sharing a pew with far right politicians who are disgruntled at the chaos created by far right policies!
Natalie Elphicke was simply a human 'prop' used by Starmer to create a little drama in the PMQ pantomine show. It was a laugh on the Tories, I could have done without...
So what will labour do when this defective MP causes a scandal about some hard right topic? Is she the MP that voted for Fire and Rehire?
Analysis spot on. One must appreciate someone who reminds the public of essentially the same things day in, day out.
It’s a show that Rishis government is falling apart. She isn’t standing in the election. So it’s a short term gain.
‘I want a fundamental switch to decent people & decent politics’.
Sort of out of luck there Carol!
Never a truer word said Carol.
I'm with Carol all the way.
The Labour 'Broad Church' Party that is actually a right-of-center party.
Thank you.
No amount of excuses will make this move by The SIr acceptable.
He fell into the Tory trap, severely questioning his judgement. Very disappointing to say the least but she is only short term!
She is just looking after her job. The way things are going for the Tories, she knows she has a better chance of being elected as Labour. Under Starmer she has joined another Tory party.
She's not standing at the next election...Keep up...
Not standing for Dover, but does that mean not standing at all?
I love how much of a broad church Labour has become. It truly feels like they can accept anyone into their party, provided a set of common ideals such as socialism being evil.