Heated Debate Between Nelly And Stephen A Smith
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2013
- Artist Nelly joins First Take's Stephen A. and Skip Bayless to debate Kobe, Dwight Howard, and the future of the Lakers.
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“You think they gonna do nothin for the next 5 years and let Kobe limp into retirement?!”.... that’s exactly what happened.... Nelly bodied the whole cast💯💪🏿👑
That’s crazy. She shouldn’t said that
@Jelly Bean Besides Gasol, nobody wanted to be Kobe's beyotch that has no status. AD went to be LeBron's beyotch because he's a #2 disguised as a #1 and he could not lead a team to championship. Everybody saw how Bosh and Love was a Cris Carter level fallguy for LeBron.
@Jelly Bean Kobe in his mind and Laker fans felt he was bigger than the game at some point. Since he was one of the greatest and multiple time champion, nobody was good enough to share the court with him. He felt like Shaq and even Phil were beneath him. Only when he was dropping 81 and 65 in the quarters against the Mavericks and still not contending. He let Phil come back, embraced Gasol who was just glad to be on a contender and Bynum and a image damaged and humbled Ron Artest and won 2 more championships. Players with status don't want to be Bron's beyotch neither. Exchange AD for Gasol meaning with Kobe same thing both are #2s disguised as #1s just happy to be on a contender. Respect Kobe, but he did it to his self.
@Jelly Bean Agreed! RIP Kobe. Only one year older than me. Much too young to be gone.
😭😭😭 they tried it jus didn’t work and a lot of those players are great players now but I was thinking the same thing it was pretty accurate 😭
ironically...what nelly said aged well....cause Dwight came back to the lakers...with Lebron...and won a championship.
He also beat Lebron and loss to Kobe next
Dwight also admittedly regretted not re-signing to play with Kobe.
And Kobe limped into retirement and they sucked for the next 5/6 years
@@bbking8110 and who did Lebron have in that Cavs team? Mo Williams? LOL
Dwight had Turgkolu, Lewis, Nelson who were solid players and Magic had a better coach and bench.
@@mathewmichaels6598 y’all always talking like Lebron gotta do everything himself 😂😂 I swear to god that cavs team was some asscheeks. Nobody was winning a chip with that team
Nelly got to be doing Life in Prison for catching 3 bodies on live air.. I never seen Skip so quiet...
🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💯
😂😂😂 🎯💯 I swear I didn’t even realize he was on the show!! When he finally spoke…I was like “Oh snap…that’s Skip!” 😂
😂😂😂 mamas cooking
EXACTLY!!!!
Stephen A was shaking in his boots😭😭😭
“You think the Lakers are gonna just sit and chill for 5-6 years until Kobe retires?”
*Lakers chill for 5-6 years until Kobe retired*
😂😂😂
I laughed too hard because that’s exactly what tf happened she though she was onto something 😂
Facts!
Facts!
In her defense they chilled but it was against their will. They tried to get big name free agents to come there but truthfully nobody wanted to come play second fiddle to an injured and washed up Kobe
i was searching for this😭😭
Nelly stomped they asses in some Air Force Ones...
Lmao! This comment had me crying....thanks Ace!
Errrr Fowse Wunnz.
I rarely ever literally laughed out loud! This comment was was successful! 💯😂
" Big Boi " 🚨 🚨 🚨 (whoop!) " Big Boi " 🚨 🚨 🚨(whoop!). 😂😂💯
@UtoobeIsTrash . damn u beat me to it
They should come back and apologize to Nelly
👍
Facts. Nelly basically predicted the future
Yup but you know they're too proud to do that. Anybody who goes on First Take and drops truth like Nelly did are usually never invited back. He only came back like once since then 😆😆😆
As great as Kobe was, he was on point. No one wanted to play Kobe
M mom k. K
“You got five rings. You should be a coach on the floor “
That’s actually a valid point.
Agreed..I loved Kobe and idk his antics with his teammates but you gotta be a coach to these guys
Tim Duncan entered the chat
Actually I believe Kobe did coach but his style just didnt fit with the younger guys
Yes
They don’t GOTTA do shit. The rest of these dudes are in the NBA just as well. It’s not superstars problemthey aren’t as good
Damn nelly was 100% right
The silence after every nelly point proves that he just destroys them
He killed em
Totally
I mean destroyedddddddd them!!! Love it
Only thing he kept saying was Kobe.. this is y yu don’t see him on shows like this anymore
Kevin love became a better player when he left Minnesota to play with bron ? No
Bosh became a better player when he left Toronto to play with bron, no!
All three of them wrecked by nelly
Alright Nelly!!!! 💪💪💪💪 tell em'
He just faught three members of the go along get along gang. They tried to use sarcasm to distract him. Skip was the smartest of the three and said the least
Fse literally
Top comment worthy!!
Skip wanted no part of that.
@@prvncoll92 cause skip has a gimmick he plays and knows when to protect that lol
cus Skip lowkey agreed with Nelly about Kobe cus even Skip got on Kobe for signing a huge contract either in 2012 or 2013.
Nelly was speaking more facts than a person that has been in the major American sports business for years😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PREACH
100% wrong
Go back and look at that summer
All the top free agents resigned with their team
Dwight is the lone exception
And his career did a nose dive from that point on
He spewed a bunch of contextually ignorant nonsense
Did he really say Kobe should have been the coach on the floor, in response to the Lakers having a trash coach in D’Antoni?
@@lcceo22 for some reason kobe shouldve been a coach on the floor?? when no other superstar in the last 50 years has ever done that. nelly's an idiot
@@lcceo22 Yes, when you win that many rings you should know more than the coach and be able to act like one too. Look at Lebron, he's been the coach for practically every team he's been on. Tim Duncan was still a great coach on the floor while also having one of the greatest coaches of all time.
@@MrBacon-ou1kw whats your point
“People are taking pay cuts to go play with LeBron!!”
Bodied the whole convo.
Bodied what y'all LeBron fans are hilarious 😂
The question is can Shaq win without Kobe 😂 because the last time I checked Kobe won finals when Shaq fouled out
@@Artrail1000 shaq did win without Kobe in Miami. He did make the finals in Orlando by beating MJ
@@Artrail1000 ..fouled out. That’s your argument ? 🤣🤣
@@Imeanwellshit he did bring it home, and he won 2 without shaq or without a bonifide superstar. Shaq won 1 without Kobe and it was dwade at peak of his powers. Also don’t forget how good penny was
“You’re career stats are going down and if you don’t win before they blame him they’re gonna look at you” that was Nelly’s biggest point.
@@JBD915 it's going on with the Lakers... Westbrook and AD are the fall guys when LeBron is equally sucky...
Harden will be the fall guy when 6ers get bounced early too
Russell Westbrook right now bro wtf this dude was right
Every big that was faily decent got a ring with Kobe
@@frankystrings I agree with the main point, but Westbrook and AD are not playing on the same level as Lebron and they’ve got half the career mileage on them.
@@TheDoubleg3 LeBron plays 0 defense
I am 100 % with Nelly. She asked Nelly, ''you think they going to watch Kobe limp of in to the retiermant?'' That is exactly what they did :)
retirement *
She shouldn’t have a job
it was a different Laker team they 3 years removed from a cahmpionship they been top dog for years so Nelly really wasnt right but ti was entertainin
@@lilverson1333 Nelly was right. Nobody wanted to play with him and journalists did babying him.
Lol ya
Nelly did an excellent job considering he's a rapper & not a commentator for his profession
You don't have to be basketball player to know sports.
As a rapper, you're using words, as a commentator, they use the same thing.
@@tyronewills7935 you knew what he meant
Nelly tore up. Nobody wanna play with Kobe because Nobody loves greatness in their prime
Also Kobe has said homophobic slurs and well Howard is you know!
Nelly is a fan of the game. That’s why his perspective is far much factual than these pundits
@@timjones6662 🤣💔
wtf are u talking about
“You think the Lakers gonna let Kobe limp his way to the end of his career” umm is someone gonna tell her what happened???
Explain please?
@@Anthony-tw3oi that’s exactly what happened.
This had me crying lol
Facts
I know people believed kobe was gonna come back and still be good after the Achilles but realistically he was done and probably could have retired right after that and maybe a couple years before.
Nelly handled these fools with ease
8 years later, this debate is still good. Plus, it's great to see non-commentators debate and hold their own...better than most people give them credit for.
Well Nelly is exceptional in terms of non commentators they’re usually not this good at debating lol
Frfr
Anyone from the outside making debates like this today would automatically get SA’s “let me show you how this works” type business where his ego gets to his head and thinks his opinion is above all.
& it's been 5 yrs & the Lakers hv done nothing, Nelly was 100% right 😂😂😂
lakers haven't won a playoff game since 2012..that's crazy...
@grinder23 kobe has been retired for 4 years
It’s 2020 and they’re about to go for another chip😂
@@masonmclean2824 *2021
@@RobinXlone no shit we just won the chip tho
Nelly blew all 3 of them up because he didn't let them talk over him.
Skip looked lost on this show.....
Skip should’ve took an off day. He wasn’t needed. 😆
They couldn't answer none of his questions. All they did was try to change the subject
LET NELLY HAVE THAT SHOW HE MADE MORE SENSE AND HAD MORE VALID POINTS THAN ALL 3 OF THEM.
Nelly killed the entire panel. 👀 He made several valid points. Free smoke!!🔥🔥
That’s a casual comment Nelly hasn’t been back on espn since smh?
@@JamesBrown-pn1jw he said what he had to say no need to come back
Cuz a goofy
Nelly's a joke need to critique his sextape 😂
@@Artrail1000 get out your feelings bro he was telling the truth
NEVER BACK DOWN NELLY! 3 against 1 and they still couldn’t handle you, JOB WELL DONE!
nelly sounds like an idiot
Nelly was right about the Lakers not going to the playoffs anymore
Until recently
@@terencenelson1292 well Lebron came soooo lol
Lebron > Kobe. Kobe the better player Lebron the better teammate
@8BallLik damn I want to disagree but this is facts
@@damarimoland1613 we have to stop comparing different positions, let both be great.
Lmao, funny how the guy who doesn't make a living as a sports "analyst" was spot on about:
1) The reason Howard left and left guaranteed money on the table
2) The Lakers' inability to get free agents to play with Kobe.
3) The Lakers babying Kobe
4) The fans and media never allowing any criticism to go Kobe's way
5) Guys preferring to go play with LeBron.
Yupp he hit pretty much everything on the head that nigga nelly went up there and made them look like they were the guests
Lol. Nelly was right and spot on. I watched this on air
Who preferred to go play with Lebron? When does any superstar or star want to play with Lebron?
@@hueyfreeman7184 AD love wade bosh. Duh
@@hueyfreeman7184 drummond too
They never brought Nelly bck after this episode. This conversation was too big for skip 😂
Love it!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Especially Cari, with her devout Laker fan ass. She could not stand it when Nelly kept standing on the issue of Kobe’s leadership not being held accountable during this debate.
Debates are so fun when it’s full of drama and personal bias. 😂
😂😂😂👌
Damn
😂😂😂😂
Nelly: Quick give me starting 5
Stephen A. : Tio .. Tito .. her .. Hergaglue
Nelly: See you can’t even pronounce the man’s name right
😂😂😂😂😂😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s the funniest part of the whole clip lol
Nelly is 100% Correct
Yup
He’s not correct. Dwight Howard has since become a BUM and Kobe is a top 5, top 10 AT WORST player of all time. There are people who will argue he’s the goat.
@@cashknowles9558 Nelly is 100% correct! I love Kobe's game and his intensity. But, nobody wanted to play with Kobe and his contract made it hard to sign any significant players.
@@cashknowles9558 hush
@Cash Knowles no Dwight resurged his career last year
I remember this. Cari was hurt, Stephen A was countered and Skip was kinda just chillin lol. He HANDLED this panel😂😂😂
“i’m asking who was on orlando starting five… i’m ASKING”😂😂😂😂
2012: “you think we just gonna sit for the next 5, 6 years and chill”
2018: 6 years of sitting back and chilling they get lebron. 😂
still trash tho.....legm better start recruiting
@@kobeshaq1320 they got one more ring stop it
@@Karlog06 yea now that it's not a mickey mouse season what are they doing... LeBron trash but westbrook takes all the bullets
@@frankystrings Mickey mouse?? Bumass they were number one in the West throughout the season 😂😂😂
Fuck outta here 🤣🤣
🤣
Classic, Nelly destroyed them 😭😭😭
Lol he didn
@@melekelewis2945 he did
@@flex5752 he didnt
@@melekelewis2945 explain how he didn’t ?
Nelly should be a commentator how the hell you beat two World known commentators¿¿¿
Well, those two commentators are two of the most infamous morons in sports media
He is a rapper that specializes in putting words together in a rhyming fashion. He is in fact a defacto commentator.
Nelly bringing the Kwame Effect
Don't compare Nelly to that bust 😂
@@Lord2wiceAsReal stfu
@@celticsallday4718 SAS is the Bust because Nelly is doing a better job dealing with facts, have SAS looking like a fool today.
@@pampam2831 SAS is a zaddys boi
KAAAWAAAAMEH BROWN
Him asking Skip to name the Orlando starting five was hilarious
9:15 Kobe really did limp his way into retirement...
Yes
Nelly smashed that sport panel and proved his point to be clear!!!
2022 this is still a crazy segment 😂😂😂😂 Nelly was destroying these 3 fools
Nelly was absolutely correct about nobody holding Kobe accountable
The funny thing is that Dwight Howard returned to the Lakers when they added Lebron James and won a championship.
Everyone wanna play with Lebron because he’s a great leader and you’re an instant contender when you join him
BIG FACTS
Nelly knows what he was talking about
@@underoath257 How is the "instant" contender going? Missed the playins. lmfao
Weak ass championship but ok
Nelly was on point!! This take age well!
They owe him an apology. 😂😂
I look at these comments and laugh today….RIP Kobe
Whats funny about them. nobody wanted to play with kobe and the Lakers missed the playoffs because of it they overpaid him the last years of his contract
Nothing Nelly said was wrong.
Kobe dying changes nothing. He was still an a$$hole during his playing days, especially after Shaq was gone and the Lakers basically babied him the entire time.
Remember nobody blamed Kobe for getting handled in the 2008 Finals. They blamed Gasol. Then they win it back to back and Kobe gets the praise for turning Gasol into a tougher player. Gtfo.
As Nelly said, it's the Lakers, you've got Kobe who is supposedly an elite player...why were they not able to attract any free agents? Right, because nobody wanted to play with Kobe anymore. Guys wanted to go with LeBron and remember during these days, the Clippers were the best game in town also.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW why do people think just because someone passes away means we can only say good things about them 😂 makes no sense
@@jlnxn5374 becuz people feel like they gonna go to hell or something, not like they not going anyways
@@THE_BEAR_JEW and he still great.... sorry your mad..... accomplish something and you will feel better....
This hit hard considering Kobe passed before Dwight Howard got a ring with Lebrons Lakers, who beat the team he got his first ring with🤯🤯
9:20 that's literally exactly what they did hahaha
Daaaaaaamn good catch. "Just sit and chill for 5 years" lol
BigFacts💯😂😂
But R.I.P Kobe💜💛And R.I.P GiGi🖤🤍
DAAAAAMMMMNNNNN that’s crazy
Nelly was speaking straight facts
Lmao when SAS tries to pronounce Hedo Turkoglu at 11:17 still has me in tears till this day 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tito hurk a glue
@@-eternall 😂
It’s like watching fine wine. This aged very well.
Best part of this is how right he was about the lakers in general😂 after Kobe retired the lakers were nothing till lebron joined😂 and even now the pressure of laker culture has them in ruins. He stated facts about the whole of the laker organization and culture.
B4 they blame him (Kobe)they gonna blame U!!! Who wants that??? she changed subjects asap 😂🤣🤣
He shut everything down with that one🤣🤣🤣
Isn’t that the case with most superstars? Every time Lebron loses it’s because he had no help.
This shows you who Nelly really is, the Man is an effective communicator
Nelly killed them
Never saw this before but Thank you Nellie for telling it like it was about Kobe
Skip criticizing Nelly for looking at Howard’s gold medal as a significant part of his legacy is extremely ironic now with KD 🤣
The fact Nelly was right up until 2019 is tough! Lol
And the funny thing is that even then he’s still right because he made the argument that LeBron makes players better and they want to go play with him. Then all of a sudden LeBron goes to the Lakers then players followed lol
@@kingdre6397 nobody followed lebron 🤣
@@z-mane1438 what? Are you saying that AD, Russ, or these vets didn’t follow LeBron?!
@@pijaymcsaucin6014 follow? They got traded to the Lakers, not coming as free agent. Paul Geogre didnt go to Lakers, neither did Kawhi nor KD when they were FREE agent.
And now the Lakers team is stuck because they have ZERO future draft for the next 3-4 years, and will suck again the moment Lebron leave. Lakers simply mortgage their entire future to get a chance to win ONE ring. If Lakers got all the 1s and 2s picks and traded them all for a super-star during Kobe time, they could have won as well, but they didnt.
@@tigera6 they definitely followed LeBron. AD and clutch sports forced his way to the lakers and russ was handpicked by LeBron.. they could of have buddy heild don't forget.
“People are taking pay cuts to go play with lebron James!”
And they weren’t averaging the same when they came to play with bron so Nelly was wrong
Nelly's best point was when he said "they have to find players who are willing to come there and that player has to be willing to accept that your stats are going to decline, and that if you don't win, before the organization looks at Kobe, they gonna look at you! What player wants that!?" 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥😬😱💯
Wrong, Kobe was blamed when the Lakers lost every time. The only time Kobe wasnt criticized was in 2008 when Gasol played SOFT. Gasol redeemed himself in 2009 + 2010. But Gasol's fg% went up when playing with Kobe. Gasol also never won a single playoff game in 3 years going 0-12 before joining Kobe. Nelly argues like a bitch just shouting over everyone being emotional
But that’s same as lebron though
@@ssohpkpck .....AND!! Who said anything about Lebron!!??😩😩🤕🤕💯
@@christiannieto9827 naw, nelly was telling the truth
@@ssohpkpck yup crazy the narrative is the same with Lebron now lol
what nelly said is exactly what happen until they signed LBJ... Kobe limped into retirement with little to no success his last 5+ seasons
And now LBJ is about to the same thing with the remainder of his Career
@@Supercilious-ok8ic but won in 2020 when everyone said he went to LA to be actor bron is playing at A way higher level at this age at 37 Kobe was done wasn’t the same mainly due to injuries..
"You can't even pronounce the boys name" 😆
Dwight Howard was left off the Top 75 of all-time because of his beef with Kobe and Shaq. All politics man!!
Oh wow
Amazing points. This man was right
9:17 she predicted exactly what the lakers did, by accident 😂. And I LOVEEEE the Lakers and Kobe!
Nelly called it lolll
nelly said this and then his cardinals lost the 2013 world series and in 2016 after lebron won it for the cavs he called him the goat and then the cards arch rival cubs finally won it all..nelly needs to stfu..he curses himself when he speak
What did he call, exactly? He literally had no point in this debate. He was refuted each time with reasonable responses then resorted to yelling to attempt to prove his point. Tell me, who is a better all time player? Kobe or Dwight?
Trade Nelly with Stephen A
“Josh Smith went to Detroit for Pete’s sake” 😂 dis nelly herr
Looking back now in 2018 Nelly called it right
The sad thing is the Lakers did watch Kobe limp his way into retirement with no help sad R.I.P. Kobe Bryant 🕊️🙏🏾
Well thats not exactly true they tried with Howard and Nash, but that team just had no chemistry, and after 2014 Bryant clearly wasn't a high level player anymore and LA was in a rebuilding stage at that point
@@isaiaharmand8841 It is true because at that point Steve Nash was not Steve Nash anymore they stopped the CP3 trade & Dwight Howard didn't want to be a Laker from the jump so he didn't come in there with the mindset that he was ready to stay there
@@Lord2wiceAsReal Again it's really not true considering Nash was still a good player and Howard was easily the best Big in the league, and also I'm a fan of kobe's but his contract was a large part of them Not being as able to spend money on other players.
@@isaiaharmand8841 Again it is true because even Steve Nash said that he wasn't the same player for the Lakers so now you know Steve Nash better than he knows himself & lastly Dwight didn't even want to be there you're talking off your opinion I'm talking off facts
@@Lord2wiceAsReal LOL no it's not, Nash obviously wasn't in his prime but he was a serviceable point gaurd, Howard didn't want to be there because of Kobe and his Hard edged attitude but even with that Howard is still an all time talent, and they were Projecting to make a deep playoff run so obviously your just being a blind Kobe fan I like Kobe but you being delusional.
Nelly is bringing that momma's cooking
And Nelly is the one who was right lol
Nelly killed all 3 of em with complete ease
Nelly spoke more facts than SAS 🤣
Thank you Nelly for shutting Stephen A& the rest of the table down - its the truth some of the big name players have big egos & cant help elevate the team around him.
Ironic years down the line he wins a title with the Lakers with Lebron leading the team
These 3 guys gets paid to get destroy by 1 guy?
Lol & he's not an analyst
With two guys and one female
“Tedo.. hurk-of-glue” 😂😂😂😂
11:14 Nelly got the whole squad with that one. Spit the knowledge
*sharp inhale* ooou, I'm sorry Cari, that is EXACTLY what happens
“YOU CANT EVEN PRONOUCE THE MAN NAME” Lmaooooooooo
It is 2022 and the police is still looking to question Nelly for the dead bodies left on the set.
This man always finds a chance to go at kwame brown Stephen a is insecure with himself he jealous cause he didn’t make the pros
He aint got them mamas cookin
They hate when you show up on their platform and show them up
Lol. Nelle killed dey ass!
"I DON'T PLAY BASKETBALL" -NELLY
11:11 "Tedo Hurkolu..."you cant even pronounce the mans name!"
I'll never forget when they hired D'Antoni over Phil Jackson. I literally called to ask if Jim Buss was missing yet.
Hahaha how dumb do they sound now. Nelly made them eat there words! 😂😂
I've always wondered why Nelly wasn't invited back to the show 😆
He was literally on a few months after this??
Weird she called it. That how it happen to just like that till Kobe retire
“Quick who was on that Orlando team”
😂😂
“You unfollowed him too?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤷🏾♂️
Stephen A met a man's mouth bigger than his.😂
This is hilarious
SAS met his match 11:14🤣🤣😭😂😂
Cari really was being delusional and accidentally predicted the Lakers future right lmfaoooo
Country Grammar (Remix)
“they goin’ down down Bayliss, Steve A and lady boom boom baby……!”
The panel got hit with “mommas cooking” before we knew it was a term 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They literally chilled for the next 5 years 😂😂
Chris Paul wanted to play with Kobe, David Stern vetoed that
chris paul wanted out to whoever would take him, if he really cared about being a laker then why would he go to the clippers and resign when his deal was up
@@ripkobe496 idk bout that i wasn't there...all i know is he was trying to be a Laker, Kobe wanted him there and David Stern vetoed it his exact words "I don't like supersteams" the nba at that time owned the New Orleans Hornets...IMJ
@@bigfly_214 CP3 never said he wanted to be a Laker or play with Kobe so stop it… His boy is over there and he came out publicly and said he doesn’t want to play with the Lakers til this day lol…
@@bruceleroy2335 Wrong...go look it up, it might be before your time 🤷🏿♂️
@@bigfly_214 no it’s not.
This episode is a prime example of fans knowing more about basketball than “professional analysts”, I see fans give better takes & talk more sense than analysts every day😂
most of these analysts on tv just want to go with a narrative that fits ratings
Dam, this brother cooked the whole dam panel 😳 👏
They basically didn’t do anything for the next five years cari 😂😂😂