Maybe this will be like with TheDude killed on few years.. even now we not have a TheDudeSetup.exe . Maybe MLAG will be working in 2years but a stacking in next 10y and wifi7 after next 5y.. ?
I cannot wait to deploy these bad boys in our core stack. Will have to look up the overall specs, but a bit more grunty than the CRS317's we currently have at the edge.
This is amazing! Hardware wise unbeatable BUT, we still can't call it a datacenter or enterprise switch until MikroTik decides to implement features on RouterOS/SwitchOS which are datacenter/enterprise features. For example, native VXLAN and RDMA (RoCE). So far, this, and many other MikroTik products are awesome bang for the buck specially on the 100G space, but it only has "brute force", nothing else unfortunately.
Well, you guys are certainly bringing interesting things to market. I have 2 of your CRS309 10 gigabit switches in my facility, one is on my lab, the other is a "top of rack" switch from my XCP-NG system and NAS to run it. Pretty basic uses compared to the features, but works fine for me.
WOW, Mikrotik it's impressive, but someone can say that there are bigger devices on marker that exist (like for ex.: FS N8560-64C) - but they have one but BIG "Minus" they have no ROS in it! So just imagine how many possibilities with ROS this switch has! So Mikrotik I congratulate you on your bigger "Plus", your advantage is ROS! Thanks!
@@mikrotik Agree! Roughly speaking the price is: CRS520-4XS-16XQ-RM (US$ 2795.00 / 16 ports = ~175 US$ per port); But for FS N8560-64C (US$ 14,199.00 / 64 ports = ~222 US$ per port), this is not just "big difference" this is Big Advantage!
The last missing feature in Mikrotik switch is SPB (802.11aq), this will guarantee extreme performance in switching (even compared to OSPF), load sharing between link, almost instantaneous failover and rearranging of path, with almost no setup from the user.
it's 802.1aq. i dont see any benefit in that since you can already offload ospf and bfd is now functional as well. would rather they focus on new things like fixing mlag to work well and with L3 offload and vxlan/gre offload.
@@BattousaiHBr 802.1aq will be a huge improvement, i guess. OSPF is not Layer2 Routing-Protocol, 802.1aq is. Also VXLAN offload is one of the most important stuff, since MARVELL Switch-Chip is VxLAN-Aware, so only the internal programming interface has to be done.
@@michaelrackrsmconnect6848 yeah i've checked the specs of the chip and it supports vxlan and GRE offload, and at our ISP we would be able to greatly benefit from these. i believe they want to add support for that but idk where it's in their priority list, last time i checked they said they wanted to finish ipv6 stuff but it's already been a while since then.
Colleagues, in the end, what do we have (compared to others) the first plus is the routerOS, the second plus is stable hardware and the third plus is the price, so we can say that Mikrotik's products have three plus devices! Functionality (Software), Stability/Reliability (Hardware), moreover, everything is out of competition (Price), congratulations Mikrotik, you have closed another gestalt, in the end, we have three-plus devices!
how many routes can fit in the ASIC's memory? the chip is still not listed in your l3hw help docs/sheet. something that could hold a full bgp feed would be insane value for ISPs all around.
Please do a 10GbE version.. CRS*-48XG-RM !!! We want replace 1GbE Ethernet Base-T to 10GbE version in our customers networks ! and add a STACKING POSSIBILITY ? How many we must wait for that ?
Hi, when you said bgp machine, Is that design for global Internet (which has more than 1.1 million routing table entries, * multiply uplink peers)? what's the amount of routing table entries can be hardware offload? (as i remember, there are some limit in pervious routerboard), and v4 & v6?
This has a refined look, appears like a proper piece of datacenter kit. With Nvidia pushing people to cumulus and hp eating up juniper and ubiquiti overextending themselves trying to do a lil datacenter stuff, theres a lot of "interesting" spots in the market.
This is great but it does feel like you're missing products one tier below this, which makes this a tricky purchase. If you made a switch with 2 100G ports and 24ish 10G ports at a good price then I could bring 10G everywhere.
I don't think they've got that yet. I've got to imagine that it's one of the nebolous "we're working on it" things as the Switch Chip almost certainly has support for VXLAN.
@@mikrotik Yeah i have to make pics of my Mikrotik Setup when I finally order my cable mess. :-) But at least I can show you on a diagram what I do (and wanna do in future). Still I miss Mikrotik Infiniband Switches still! ;-)
@mikrotik in the video, the presenter makes remarks such as "this is a real OSPF and BGP machine" and "enough juice for BGP", on top of the fact that BGP is the primary internet routing protocol to me indicates that I should be able to take at least two full tables, regardless of whether it is marketed as a router or switch. RouterOS is already 64-bit and can support 8GB, I highly doubt the cost difference between 4GB and 8GB is much.
QSFP28 is just four SFP28 in a single connector. There are adapters to adapt QSFP28 down to SFP28 and there are direct attached fanout cables to connect up to four SFP28 ports into a single QSFP28 port. Not sure it makes a lot of sense for Mikrotik to have a seperate device for the time beeing.
Just need to update the CRS516's with quad qsfp28's and together with this you've got a mean little leaf and spine setup. Would have been nice last year when I redid the DC rack 😭
It would things certainly make much more easy for the typical Usecase as an Switch, VLAN konfiguration in SwOS is so much more comfortable and easy, in ROS a PITA. MY switches do switching, if i want routing things or VPN done, I use the CCR with the proper CPU. I mean there is nothing wrong with a switch of being capable of doing DHCP Server, but I'd really prefer SWoS as a default on CRS-Devices just because basically no one needs a switch doing things which just maxes the CPU out.
Depends, how silent are we talking? Both CCR and CRS units are pretty quiet in general, but this one has 4 fans, so it depends on the airflow and the load.
hey, THIS IS PATRICK FROM STH and THIS IS THE NEW MIKROTIK!
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Congratulations, your comment made it into the article about the announcement and even disrupted the originally planned schedule. 😂
@@pearcomputers2542 haha, I've just had a look at the article
Anyone know roughly how much this would cost?
@@jugheadjed If you go on their spec page for this, the RRP is listed there- $2995 IIRC.
Please do not advertise MLAG in marketing videos and new product releases at a time when the feature is hopelessly broken compared to other vendors 😢
Maybe this will be like with TheDude killed on few years.. even now we not have a TheDudeSetup.exe . Maybe MLAG will be working in 2years but a stacking in next 10y and wifi7 after next 5y.. ?
Really is it? Oh man! I was supposed to start MLAG on my new 100G Links, to gain redundancy and speed. So MLAG is not ready or production use yet?
My lab CRS309 pair is doing MLAG fine on a single link.
@@washboardman7435 works fine until a link fails.
Hello future Viktors that is a fat switch, soooo many uses in the core or DC. More of this please!!!
Better if always get patch priority it will be good for enterprise
When can we expect functional MLAG? Also, what about ROCE/RDMA , PFC etc?
You can się rdma over iwrap
I cannot wait to deploy these bad boys in our core stack. Will have to look up the overall specs, but a bit more grunty than the CRS317's we currently have at the edge.
finally a proper L3 multilayer switch from Mikrotik. I'd like to try it for VXLAN spine leaf topologies
This is amazing! Hardware wise unbeatable BUT, we still can't call it a datacenter or enterprise switch until MikroTik decides to implement features on RouterOS/SwitchOS which are datacenter/enterprise features. For example, native VXLAN and RDMA (RoCE). So far, this, and many other MikroTik products are awesome bang for the buck specially on the 100G space, but it only has "brute force", nothing else unfortunately.
FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
More advanced switches like this with high throughput please!
MikroTik never ceases to amaze me..
Well, you guys are certainly bringing interesting things to market. I have 2 of your CRS309 10 gigabit switches in my facility, one is on my lab, the other is a "top of rack" switch from my XCP-NG system and NAS to run it. Pretty basic uses compared to the features, but works fine for me.
WOW, Mikrotik it's impressive, but someone can say that there are bigger devices on marker that exist (like for ex.: FS N8560-64C) - but they have one but BIG "Minus" they have no ROS in it! So just imagine how many possibilities with ROS this switch has! So Mikrotik I congratulate you on your bigger "Plus", your advantage is ROS! Thanks!
The other big difference is price
@@mikrotik Agree! Roughly speaking the price is: CRS520-4XS-16XQ-RM (US$ 2795.00 / 16 ports = ~175 US$ per port); But for FS N8560-64C (US$ 14,199.00 / 64 ports = ~222 US$ per port), this is not just "big difference" this is Big Advantage!
CPU is not enough for this throughput routing
@@mikrotik Thank you!
Where is support for RoCE2 or RDMA!?
good news, it seems the chip supports it.
bad news, i dont think think is something mikrotik would prioritize developing.
Yes, awesome if it now supported EVPN, I'd be all over it 🎉🎉
This presenter deserves an oscar. Great switch btw, it will be a killer proposal.
The last missing feature in Mikrotik switch is SPB (802.11aq), this will guarantee extreme performance in switching (even compared to OSPF), load sharing between link, almost instantaneous failover and rearranging of path, with almost no setup from the user.
it's 802.1aq.
i dont see any benefit in that since you can already offload ospf and bfd is now functional as well. would rather they focus on new things like fixing mlag to work well and with L3 offload and vxlan/gre offload.
@@BattousaiHBr 802.1aq will be a huge improvement, i guess. OSPF is not Layer2 Routing-Protocol, 802.1aq is.
Also VXLAN offload is one of the most important stuff, since MARVELL Switch-Chip is VxLAN-Aware, so only the internal programming interface has to be done.
@@michaelrackrsmconnect6848 yeah i've checked the specs of the chip and it supports vxlan and GRE offload, and at our ISP we would be able to greatly benefit from these. i believe they want to add support for that but idk where it's in their priority list, last time i checked they said they wanted to finish ipv6 stuff but it's already been a while since then.
Awesome switch, hopefully the software gets updated to support Hardware VRF's, MPLS push/pop, VPLS and VXLAN.
And here I thought I was going to have to buy 100x 4 port 100Gbps switches
I have almost zero need for such monster in my home rack.. but I WANT IT. hehe..
I have no need and I dont want it
This is the way.
how much LPM on this beast? I guess with the clever partial offloading tricks this thing could even handle full tables?
I came here to ask this question. I couldn't find that information about the asic, I might be googling the wrong terms though
@@JamesHarr it's not just you. There is no documentation on this ASIC anywhere
@Mikrotik: Please end our suffering! Hardware offloaded VXLAN will be coming soon now? ;)
Hi, I am a humble SOHO user. I can't wait to buy this to support my 56k dial-up connection
This is the way.
Great !!! l2vpn EVPN family please. Getting closer to spine leaf design. Thank you.
Colleagues, in the end, what do we have (compared to others) the first plus is the routerOS, the second plus is stable hardware and the third plus is the price, so we can say that Mikrotik's products have three plus devices! Functionality (Software), Stability/Reliability (Hardware), moreover, everything is out of competition (Price), congratulations Mikrotik, you have closed another gestalt, in the end, we have three-plus devices!
This switch is looking amazing, but do you have plans to release a 48-Port version of the CSS326-24G-2S+RM / CRS326-24G-2S+RM too? :)
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+RM
@@gsi87 I am aware of this switch, but I don’t need 4x 10G SFP+ and 2x 40G QSFP+, nor would I like to pay 4-5x for 2x the RJ45 ports. :/
how many routes can fit in the ASIC's memory? the chip is still not listed in your l3hw help docs/sheet.
something that could hold a full bgp feed would be insane value for ISPs all around.
Please do a 10GbE version.. CRS*-48XG-RM !!! We want replace 1GbE Ethernet Base-T to 10GbE version in our customers networks ! and add a STACKING POSSIBILITY ? How many we must wait for that ?
Hi, when you said bgp machine, Is that design for global Internet (which has more than 1.1 million routing table entries, * multiply uplink peers)?
what's the amount of routing table entries can be hardware offload? (as i remember, there are some limit in pervious routerboard), and v4 & v6?
This has a refined look, appears like a proper piece of datacenter kit.
With Nvidia pushing people to cumulus and hp eating up juniper and ubiquiti overextending themselves trying to do a lil datacenter stuff, theres a lot of "interesting" spots in the market.
This is great but it does feel like you're missing products one tier below this, which makes this a tricky purchase. If you made a switch with 2 100G ports and 24ish 10G ports at a good price then I could bring 10G everywhere.
Since it's 100G, does it fully support RoCE / Infiniband, like DCB / PFC / ECN / NPCC / PKey Partation?
It slices, it dices, it cures world hunger! I love it.
This dude is talking like he’s from the future: I love this
Can it hardware offload vxlan?
I don't think they've got that yet. I've got to imagine that it's one of the nebolous "we're working on it" things as the Switch Chip almost certainly has support for VXLAN.
@@pearcomputers2542i remember people o forums saying the chip does support vxlan and GRE so would be a matter of waiting.
I can't even figure out how to saturate my 10Gb and I still kinda want this. 🤔
I think ceph can help with that :)
I have to hurry to write some comment, before present becomes the past
Aaah, too late
There's still time!
So it is a layer 3 switch (router and switch in one)..🤫?
Yes it is
This one looks cool for my AI Testsystem. I gonna get it.
Sounds interesting, consider sending something for the Spotted in the Wild show for a MikroTik merch coupon someday? :)
@@mikrotik Yeah i have to make pics of my Mikrotik Setup when I finally order my cable mess. :-)
But at least I can show you on a diagram what I do (and wanna do in future). Still I miss Mikrotik Infiniband Switches still! ;-)
🔥
4GB is nowhere near enough to comfortably load full tables from two different upstreams plus 2 x IXPs. Should have been a minimum 8GB.
It’s a switch, not a router
@mikrotik in the video, the presenter makes remarks such as "this is a real OSPF and BGP machine" and "enough juice for BGP", on top of the fact that BGP is the primary internet routing protocol to me indicates that I should be able to take at least two full tables, regardless of whether it is marketed as a router or switch. RouterOS is already 64-bit and can support 8GB, I highly doubt the cost difference between 4GB and 8GB is much.
Love it ❤
Yessssss!!!!!🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🎊🎊🎊
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS SWITCH🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
Agreed, been waiting a while for this to drop. I imagine lower port density switches will arrive later this year too.
Another of this monster but 25 Gbps !!! And don't tell me to use the existing ones as they have crappy amount of memory and storage!
QSFP28 is just four SFP28 in a single connector. There are adapters to adapt QSFP28 down to SFP28 and there are direct attached fanout cables to connect up to four SFP28 ports into a single QSFP28 port. Not sure it makes a lot of sense for Mikrotik to have a seperate device for the time beeing.
Will it support 1588?
No time to leave a comment, have to go back to the future XD.
Just need to update the CRS516's with quad qsfp28's and together with this you've got a mean little leaf and spine setup. Would have been nice last year when I redid the DC rack 😭
Vienen Cosas Grandiosas es solo el comienzo !!!
mikrotik ... company that always did balls to the walls stuff ... just because they can ;)
I only want it if it can run SWoS !
It would things certainly make much more easy for the typical Usecase as an Switch, VLAN konfiguration in SwOS is so much more comfortable and easy, in ROS a PITA. MY switches do switching, if i want routing things or VPN done, I use the CCR with the proper CPU.
I mean there is nothing wrong with a switch of being capable of doing DHCP Server, but I'd really prefer SWoS as a default on CRS-Devices just because basically no one needs a switch doing things which just maxes the CPU out.
Nice switch you got there
Will it be silent enough to put it next to my desk?
Depends, how silent are we talking? Both CCR and CRS units are pretty quiet in general, but this one has 4 fans, so it depends on the airflow and the load.
@@mikrotik I’d consider my CRS328-24P-4S+RM quiet under load. I guess this one will be louder than that?
Definitely louder, but we feel it's worth it.
Hey neat! Wanna send me one?
No PTP?
should have it, they probably just didn't mention.
dunno how good their implementation is though as I've never used and is quite niche.
The time has come
from now Mikrotik will stop doing routers, they are going to build switches the correct way.
Don't make us choose, we love routers too! 😭
$2795
Hey @MikroTik we need the block diagram
My new Core switch for our server rooms ♟
OMG what a beast. It is like Formula 1 can I win it somehow?
2460,80€ is fair
It's actually less now, we've managed to drive the price down to $2195.00, that's around 2040 euros.