Forgotten American War Crime: The Laconia Incident
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- On September 12, 1942 the Cunard ocean liner RMS Laconia was torpedoed and sunk by a German submarine, U-156 commanded by captain Werner Hartenstein. He had attacked a legitimate target of war but what shocked to find it full of civilians and prisoners of war, sparking an epic tale of survival, tragedy and human compassion that captivates to this day. Why did Hartenstein try to help? What was the deadly chain of events that led to the rescue effort being attacked from the air? Join us today as we explore the tragic story of the sinking of RMS Laconia.
Oceanliner Designs explores the design, construction, engineering and operation of history’s greatest vessels- from Titanic to Queen Mary and from the Empress of Ireland to the Lusitania. Join maritime researcher and illustrator Michael Brady as he tells the stories behind some of history's most famous ocean liners and machines!
0:00 Intro
1:48 Laconia: Cunard's Gem
3:56 War at Sea
13:15 U-156
15:01 Laconia Torpedoed
23:30 Rescue Attempt
31:07 Aircraft Spotted
37:03 U-156 Attacked
40:51 Fight for Survival
45:26 Aftermath and Blame
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Watched this with Jack the animater my grandson last night Im very proud of him Mike you have an excellent team ,another exceptional piece of work well w
Thankyou so much! Your grandson is extremely talented and I am lucky to count him as a friend! Sending my best from Australia!
~Mike
Animation was off the charts this video!
28:27. The message was intercepted by the British intelligence service, who decided to ignore it.
This information was purposely withheld when the British gave the American bomber crew the coordinates for the U-Boat.
The British are equally to blame for this event.
The stories are great but to me I won't watch the video with just the story and the animation is simply awesome in these videos, Thank you
I was wondering who does the animations!
Now I know, and he does a excellent job!
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On October 15, 1940 the Italian submarine Cappellini (the same that under a different captain is mentioned in this wonderful video) sunk a Belgian freighter, the Kabalo. Capitano di Corvetta Salvatore Todaro decided to rig the boat with the survivors to its ship and proceeded to tow them to safety to the Azores. He would be severely criticized by his superiors for endangering his sub but famously answered that he did it because “I felt the weight of two thousand years of civilization on my shoulders”.
“I felt the weight of two thousand years of civilization on my shoulders”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Todaro_(naval_officer)
American says: we don,t have that, so boom.
Oh! This is a remarkable story, God bless the sweet hearted Capitano and crew. After beating each other to pieces, it seems that some men come to see enemy nationals as brother mother father and sister and probably his own self in another body.
@@kettle_of_chris yes, magnificent. This world would be poorer without the people of Italy.
initial set of events was a tragedy, but the fact that no one was held accountable for this afterwards is flat criminal.
if "just following orders": wasnt an excuse enough for the nazis, then it shouldn't have been for those that gave the order to attack the survivors.
this needs to be made into a film without any diversion from the facts so that the public knows the history
There is a movie online about it. Not the highest budget but worth a watch.
Exactly
@@moosifer3321 It tries to whitewash the Americans, by alleging that they bombed it by mistake and never knew there were rescued survivors on board.
The film would require 40+ minutes on the Holocaust.
@@karlgustov9648What does the Holocaust have to do with this story?
It's not often I get a reason to weep over the loss of a German officer that fought during WW2, and I'm not quite sure how to feel about the fact that I just did weep about 30 seconds before I started this comment. THIS is what we need more of in the world. Personal stories like this from multiple sides, not just "Germany bad, America good." This is peak RUclips and I can not thank you enough for bringing this content to me.
When confederate General Orry Main (Patrick Swayze) answered his cousin Captain Charles Main (Lewis Smith) in the 1986 ABC TV mini series "North & South Book ll", when Charles questioned him on the wisdom of mercy to their common prewar friend from the union side, General George Hazard (James Read), he said:
"Compassion always makes sense."
Sometimes the military commanders were much more honorable than High Command and especially the SS who were much more fanatical
So many American war crimes are unaccounted for.... the targeting of civilian populations in Europe and Japan with incendiaries for maximum civilian casualties.... in Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig, Tokyo, Nagasaki, Okinawa etc...
...and the US run Rhine Meadows PoW Death Camps and the genocide of over 1m German PoWs AFTER the wars end....
Step one: brainwash Americans to believe all people of one race, nation, or ideology are less than human.
Step two: brainwash Americans that a second people of a race, nation, or ideology are less than human.
Step three: continue as necessary.
If you can convince people that one group are inhuman, you can convince people that any number of humans are inhuman. It's how you manipulate populations into war, genocide, and oppression to begin with.
It's the high command and leaders of violent ideologies and nations that need to be held accountable, not those conscripted by force into their membership.
@@DaysofElijah317 Did you really see the video?
This rescue operation was led by the commander of the German submarine fleet Karl Dönitz. So your statement makes no sense at all.
No army of that time taught its soldiers higher moral values than the German one. And this happened in all ranks and especially in the SS. In the SS, for example, not even the personal cupboards were locked. This does not exist in any army to this day.
In the pay book, which every soldier had as his ID, there were “The 10 Commandments of the German Soldier” and everyone had to be able to recite them by heart.
"1. The German soldier fights gallantly for the victory of his people. Cruelties and useless destruction are unworthy of him.
3. No enemy who surrenders may be killed, not even the irregular and the spy. Thieves receive their just punishment through the courts.
4. Prisoners of war may not be mistreated or insulted. Weapons, plans and records must be removed. Nothing else may be taken from their belongings.
6. The red cross is inviolable. Wounded enemies must be treated humanely. Medical personnel and military chaplains may not be hindered in their medical or pastoral activities.
7. The civilian population is invulnerable. The soldier may not loot or vandalize. Historical monuments and buildings that serve worship, art, science or charity are to be given special respect. Natural resources and services from the population may only be claimed for compensation on the orders of superiors.
10. Violations of the above orders in official matters are punishable. Enemy violations of the principles listed under 1-8 must be reported. Retaliatory measures are only permissible on the orders of higher troop command."
You can choose the other points yourself. No army in the world had higher moral values than the German one.
Unfortunately, armies like the American one never adopted these morals and continue to shoot at civilians and bomb entire countries into rubble to this day.
"America defeated Hitler, with Hitler"
Mahatma Gandhi
It's sad what lies there are about the "Laconia Order" on Wikipedia. Disgusting historical falsification. But the lie will never win. Even now, when the last witnesses are dying, the truth lives in their children and grandchildren.
America is doing exactly that to this day and their friends the British and French are dutifully following along. It always takes a new "Hitler" to turn entire countries into ashes. Yesterday it was Binladen and Hussein, today it is Putin. Exporting suffering and misery into the world does not make you a better person. I hope that's enough to get them to direct more criticism at the living rather than the dead in the future.
Greetings from Germany. For a world without war🌄
It's about time this incident was recognised as a war crime. Well done.
Wouldnt have happened had the germans not been indiscriminately attacking ships. War is a war crime.
It wasn't a war crime. Sorry for you.
Anyone who fires on an obvious red cross visable from the air and civilians in lifeboats is comiting a war crime as stated in the geneva convention.Yanks are no exeption!@@wilsonpickett3881
@@wilsonpickett3881what decades of Zionist propaganda does to a Westerner
The Bengal famine of 1943 was an anthropogenic famine in the Bengal province of British India (present-day Bangladesh, West Bengal and eastern India) during World War II. An estimated 2.1-3 million people died,[A] in the Bengal region (present-day Bangladesh and West Bengal), from starvation, malaria and other diseases aggravated by malnutrition, population displacement, unsanitary conditions and lack of health care. Millions were impoverished as the crisis overwhelmed large segments of the economy and catastrophically disrupted the social fabric. Eventually, families disintegrated; men sold their small farms and left home to look for work or to join the British Indian Army, and women and children became homeless migrants, often travelling to Calcutta or other large cities in search of organised relief.
If Captain Hartenstein and fellow u-boat commanders who risked themselves to save crew, passengers, civilians and PoWs have actual memorial/grave at home I hope they are well tended to and receive flowers once in a while. People who show that level of compassion even risking themselves whilst at war deserve to be honored.
Captain Hartenstein and crew "still at sea".
Like the overwhelming percentage of German submariners in WWII, Hartensteins's grave is the hull of his sunken boat. U-156 was lost with its entire crew on 8 March 1943, sunk by an American PBY.
Well, meant if they ever made a memorial for him or anything like that. Sometimes people make graves even without the body afaik.
Since the crew of U-156 is still "on patrol" they're more than likely memorialized on the Möltenort U-Boat Memorial
As a german, i don´t know about any memorials here that honour an individual soldier or a crew, and i highly doubt there are any. What you´ll find here are bronze plates in cities and small communities (sometimes with a statue), that list all the dead soldiers from both world wars which were from that particular city or community.
There almost seems to be a collective desire to forget this story. As amazing as it is, it is one that I hear far less than other stories about ships. Being as appalling as it is amazing, it is no wonder why. (Not to mention it contradicts the desire to paint every last German back then as evil.)
Best ww2 quote is:
"When British dropped bombs, Axis hid.
When Germans dropped bombs, Allies hid.
When Americans dropped bombs, everyone hid"
World War II was portrayed in the immediate postwar years, as a perfectly moral war. This meant that a lot of bad or unfortunate things about the war were swept under the rug.
If you want a similar situation, look at reports of pillaging by American, British and Canadian soldiers in France and the Low Countries in 1944-1945, and in Germany following the end of the war. They were every bit as bad as the German soldiers who had occupied those areas previously. Castles, mansions and other 'high-value' residences were looted for jewelry, paintings and other valuable items that could be carried. In some cases, Allied soldiers even broke into crypts to steal jewels off corpses of people who died decades, if not centuries before the war.
@@AverageAlien My mother's family is from a town in Switzerland called Schaffhausen, which was mistakenly bombed by the American Air Force. But Roosevelt immediately apologized and paid reparations. This incident I think raises the question of whether or not the American Air Force is guilty of bad judgement or a war crime. Also, the British made a crucial mistake putting 1700 POWs on a ship with only a few hundred guards and crew. That inevitably led to paranoia and abuse. Painting Germans as uniquely evil I think prevents us from misunderstanding fascism. Any capitalist country in severe decline is at risk, including the USA in 2023.
@@stanleyrogouski Could not have put it better myself
We live in a world where acknowledging that the Nazis built good roads is a pro-holocaust opinion. And more and more, that sentiment isn't applied to just the Nazis.
A little historical trivia for you: At the Nuremberg trials, Chester Nimitz actually testified on Doenitz's behalf stating that he issued the same orders to his submariners as well at the very onset of the Pacific war ;-) It was this testimony that led to this comparative lenient sentence Doenitz received
The term lenient was also used in the video. Actually, the allied "warcrimes" trials were a sham. So many confessions obtained under duress and torture, so many of the "investigators" and prosecutors being ch€€wish (too bad we have to do this word mangling but after all, this is the world of RUclips). Justice Jackson himself even lamented their unfairness. Doenitz, Hess, Speer... these men and so many other did not deserve punishment whatsoever. By contrast, their allied counterparts were tainted with civilian blood particularly that taken from the air, again referred to in the video.
This makes me think of a phrase "Attack the weapons, not the people". Once the Laconia had been sunk, by all rights a weapon as she was carrying guns(and honestly should not have had civilians onboard while armed during war), the act of the U-Boat commander to then offer aid to the people who survived is to be commended.
He acted with honor in a time of war. This is something to be commended
They had Red cross flag raised,it's still an US war crime
Yes, they had guns ... not sure who could use them effectively. This was a cruise ship with hundreds of privileged folks that had money during WWII; Italian POWs, they would switch sides later for their own benefit. It was not carrying tons of munitions, like the Lusitania was (WWI). The unrestricted warfare imposed by Hitler killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. The German Captain was an ethical man, and was, of course, criticized by the Corporal Nazi painter (no offense to painters everywhere). Compare that with the millions of civilians intentionally killed by the Nazis. After the US sank U-156 (a military sub), what did they do? They attempted to pickup the survivors. That used to be called ethics.
Of course they tried to pick up survivors, probably had some machinegun practice and a few days of slacking off before reporting nothing found
@@John-ih2bxFun fact: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civilian population centers full of nothing but women and children. All of the fighting age men were off fighting a war and those cities were civilian, not military, targets.
Makes you wonder who the bad guys really were
Incredible jaw-dropping documentary about the Laconia, U-156, and this sadly forgotten part of history. Absolutely one of the best videos produced thus far!
Thankyou so much, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
There is no better a tribute to a lost ship, an act of wartime humanity, or act of immense bravery than to be documented in one of your videos. The animations are better than some 15 year old movies, the narration is well worded and relaxing, and the storytelling is superb. Respectful and informative, this channel has come to be my favourite maritime documentary source.
What high praise! Thanks so much!
Agreed 💯
@@OceanlinerDesigns Well deserved Mike, well deserved.
@@OceanlinerDesigns100% your the best channel out there on this topic.
And you even dress the part, I could see you being crew on a ship (if ships hired white folk that is)
I second this. Whenever his documentaries pop up, I can’t help but click.
I salute you Werner Hartenstein, his crew and others involved in the rescue. You showed there is light in darkness during your time.
This video is nothing short of superb. An excellent effort on all fronts, it left me with chills at the closing sequence.
Thank you for highlighting this almost forgotten part of our collective history
This and the sinking of the RMS Lancastria sinking have always fascinated me, weird how both were commanded under Rudolph Sharp.
The fact that up to 7000 people died in that first sinking and yet somehow the captain survived definitely had my eyes popping?! 😳 (Esp. in an era where the ethos of captain being last off a sinking ship was usually taken pretty seriously...?)
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Whilst Captain of the Lancastria, he was very fortunate to survive. Plenty of info out on this event but the basics is that the vessel was evacuating troops from France in 1940 and was stationary when hit. All ships leaving France were pretty well crammed with troops as "Normal" rules went out of the window. Lancastria sank quite quickly. Despite being quite close to shore the loss of life was immense.
@@timgray5231 Thanks; that makes sense. The sheer scale of the chaos, loss and horror of those mid-1940 evacuations from France (not only Dunkirk but also operations like Lancastria's) is something I find it difficult to get my head around... Just so extreme.
The way information became public (or didn't) was so disrupted at the time too, through war & censorship & people movements... Difficult for the crew's families to have to wait so long for official confirmation of what had happened.
Omg I’d never heard of Lancastria. I’ll check it out after I’m done with this docu!
Lancastria has a Government D notice attached. Runs out in 2040. Then the truth of how many people perished will be finally known. My uncle survived this tragedy.
My heart breaks at what the survivors had to endure, but the actions of U-156 are a reminder that even in war, we're all human. What a terrible situation that still somehow manages to encompass the humility of man. Top tier video, as always, Mike. May all those lost in the incident, as well as the crew of U-156 rest in peace.
@@snarkyliveWho sunk the ocean liner?
@@LynxStarAuto Bingo! You won the prize. The German Captain did his moral duty to pickup the people, after sinking a passenger ship, the bomber made a mistake. This video/channel is attempting to monetize on tragedy.
if you looked up what happened at the concentration camps, you'd know that Nazis aren't human.
nazis are not human. the US Merchant Marine lost about 12,000 sailors during the war, a higher percentage than the USCM. the captain failed his moral duty when he started sinking ships, "just following orders" is not a defense.
@@snarkyliveshit take
Words are difficult to convey how vividly and poignantly this heart-breaking story has been brought back to life for modern audiences to learn. The Laconia Incident is yet again another lesson in mankind's folly, where the villains become the heroes and the heroes become the villains. The fact that those responsible for bombing the German rescue mission were never held to account for War Crimes and even rewarded in later life is vile and beyond contempt. Equally tragic is the later abandonment and loss of the U-156 crew who, while responsible for the torpedoing of Laconia in the first place, made an effort to rescue and successfully save nearly half her complement of passengers and crew. Hartenstein and his crew demonstrate the complexities and forgotten voices of those on the "wrong side of a war." The whole story brings to mind the adage: "There are no real winners in war, just survivors." Oceanliner Designs has always produced outstanding, riveting content. This story of Laconia is the most moving and your finest. Thank you.
America was quietly corrupt then.
It's outwardly and proudly corrupt now. They have NO shame whatsoever
While i agree with much of what you say i would say “on the wrong side” is not the best way to describe nazi germany… there is a reason we consider the nazi’s a horrible evil regime, their high command is at times the closes thing you can get to pure evil. So it just makes the argument feel… off when you make it out that he may not have been fighting on the wrong side… but beyond that the fact that the b-24 crew got away with essentially murder is despicable and i do agree it is one of those times in war that it shows both sides have morally grey flaws and pluses.
@@titanicgaming1148the german civilians and the Kriegsmarine did not knoe about the holocaust
@@titanicgaming1148 So many American war crimes are unaccounted for.... the targeting of civilian populations in Europe and Japan with incendiaries for maximum civilian casualties.... in Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig, Tokyo, Nagasaki, Okinawa etc...
...and the US run Rhine Meadows PoW Death Camps and the genocide of over 1m German PoWs AFTER the wars end....
Hartenstein seemed an honourable man. He and his crew routinely showed the shining signs of humanities light. . . Despite being thrust into dark times. Its sad he didnt get to live to see an age of peace.
The Laconia incident was a blatant warcrime. The pilot of the bomber that dropped the depth charges should have been able to distinguish the lifeboats that the ship was towing behind it from the low attitude it was flying at, and should almost certainly have known that it was undertaking a rescue operation once those life baots were spotted, but the crew was new, wanted to prove themselves and what better way to prove yourself then killing a German U-boat during a period in the war where the U-boat fleet was very dangerous still.
save the U-boat at all costs!
Spoken like someone who has never had to make a hard choice i their life. Nice that you assume the worst of the aircrew.
@@jfranklinlewis Since the evidence is clear that they should have seen the sub red cross signals and the boats getting towed behind it, i have every reason to assume the worst. This has nothing to do with making hard choices and everything to do with terrible choices.
@@jfranklinlewislol. No justification is possible in this case
the body cam movement has change my opinion of most historical "facts" and the bias of peoples memory add to this propaganda efforts of all sides during and after events warcrime claims become difficult to prove
Cpt. Hartenstein's extended efforts to do the ethical thing despite the harsh context of war really have my admiration. See also his actions following the later sinking of the Quebec City too - this seems to have been his consistent character?
The fact that the US plane's illegal bombing action directly led to the "Laconia order" and ALL German uboats being forbidden to even try and rescue survivors of ship sinkings means that Harden's crew and commander share responsibility not just for those they directly killed by bombing the Laconia survivors, but who knows how many other civilian casualties who had to abandon ships subsequent to later submarine attacks, who would not be picked up for fear of retaliation.
The Allies tried to use the Laconia order against the Germans at Nuremberg trials but frankly, I feel like it is the Americans they should have been prosecuting on that one 😢 Thank you for telling this story, it must have been heartbreaking to research & recount, but I think it's super-important to memorialize.
They tried to use the Laconia order against Doenitz who issued it. This led the American Admiral Nimitz to testify on Doenitz's behalf at his trial.
If you're interested in this kind of thing I'd suggest looking up the "cap arcona."
It's the traditional Prussian military idea of honor. There were a lot of men across the Wehrmacht who still held to tradition in spite of Nazi ideology. Some of them because they had served under the Kaiser and refused to do any differently, others were raised with those ideals and were strong enough to stick to them. Hartenstein was clearly one such man
@@filmandfirearmsIndeed. There were even some high standing Wehrmacht officers like Rommel and Dönitz who kept some of that Prussian discipline. While Rommel was disgraced and forced to kill himself, Dönitz even succeeded Hitler as the leader of Germany for a few weeks. After all of that, the Allies couldn't even charge him for crimes against humanity. As such, instead of the usual death penalty, he only got 10 years in prison.
The Kriegsmarine was kind of the least Nazi of the three branches of the Wehrmacht. A quote I've heard a while ago is decently accurate. "There isn't much room for ideologies when the only thing surrounding you is salt and fish".
Not to say that Dönitz wasn't a hardcore Nazi, but the war could have gone significantly different had he acted like the other bandits that ran the country.
@@masterkamen371 Dönitz was indeed one of the 'true believers' in the NSDAP. The Kriegsmarine were afflicted with some leaders of questionable skill at their actual roles: Raeder was a bit of a sycophant, Dönitz was constantly making Bambi eyes at the party, Lütjens would have made an excellent man to train and command the entire destroyer arm but was promoted beyond his training to command groups of battleships, and the list goes on. Wilhelm Marschall was sacked for being aggressive, while other good surface commanders like Otto Ciliax and Theodor Krancke were promoted to shore positions instead of continuing to utilise their skill at sea.
Ruhe in frieden, Kapitänleutenant Hartenstein und U-Boot Besatzung 156. And another great video, Oceanliner Designs team. This is a story that needs to be told everywhere to remind us all that humanity is and should always be above politics.
The LACONIA Incident is s perhaps the saddest story of surviving a shipwreck that I have ever heard. TITANIC doesn't hold a candle to it
Cap Arcona
He said that he admired the U-boat captain dude. I felt that hit me hard, which shows you how much he got his respect despite his ship getting sunk by him!
"The forgotten American war crime" do you have the slightest idea of how little that narrows it down?
At first I somewhat understood the stress the crew of the bomber were feeling when making the decision to bomb it but coming back twice after that is just horrible
Average american crew tbh
They also straved potato farmers in germany with mashine guns woman and children and those were orders issued for entire air fleets
Also read about the Rheinwiesen camps
@@peterwolf8395 yanks are arrogant
You mentioned that Dönitz received light treatment at his war crimes trial, but failed to mention that Chester Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the US Pacific Fleet in WWII testified on his behalf at the trial, saying that the US submarines were under the same constraints not to risk themselves.
It should also be noted that the dreaded U-Boats started WWI strictly following the rules of cruiser warfare that required them to surface and board neutrals and allow crews of belligerent ships to abandon ship before sinking them. That ended when the British created Q Ships, heavily armed ships that appeared to be harmless freighters until a U-Boat surfaced. That quickly resulted in all ships being sunk on sight. With eight six-inch guns the Laconia was as heavily armed as many cruisers and a good example of why U-Boats would attack while submerged.
yep, the German navy is famously known for its courteous action. even after the Laconia incident many U-boats still give provisions and charts for the survivors (even if they don't do rescue efforts anymore). something that would hardly be ever done by other submarine forces during ww2.
I feel like not enough attention is given to the British contribution to the whole humanitarian mess surrounding submarines. Not that I intend to smear them unnecessarily, but it should not be ignored that their decisions played a large role in the merciless slaughter which followed. For the Brits, few actions were too severe to protect their merchant shipping and it forced German U-boats to undertake similar actions to ensure their own survival.
he definitely mentioned all this context at the beginning of the video
Heck, the Lusitania was a AMC at one time in ww1 which is why I suspect the U-20 made the choice it did given she was only recently returned to civilian service.
Although, given the importance of sealanes, the natural advantages od submarines and Germanys shit situation (thinking Britian would be stupid to do a close blockade when it would do a distant). Submarines were probably always going to go to underwater sinkings with no warning.
Thinking war should have rules is naive at best
@@SudrianTales war at sea did have surprisingly strict rules, at the age of sails at least. But then in ww1 there's no way they could keep the old rules enforced, except for the German. German Navy for some reason keep this rules despite the change in warfare nature. One famous example is the German surface raiders seeadler. This is a Windjammer (steel hulled full rigged ship) converted into commerce raider and despite capturing and sinking dozens of merchant vessels, they manage to do it with almost no casualties. Or another example in ww2 where German pilot escort stricken allied bombers out of the war zone. It's something almost uniquely reserved to the German people, because I haven't heard about allied or other axis power (the Japanese becoming notorious examples) do the same unless for a very rare occasions.
Wow! A story that can bring tears to the eyes. What a man Captain Werner Hartenstein was. He deserves to be remembered.
I have an unstarted 1/144 Type 7 U-boat kit here. When I get around to building it I'll build it as U-156.
This is a nice gesture,but I am sorry to tell you, U156 was a( bigger) Typ IX
@@theonlymadmac4771 THANKYOU! I also have a Type IX kit and will use it instead.
@@sirridesalot6652 Display it proudly as a memorial, her Captain and crew have the right to be remembered.
@@sirridesalot6652 You could even assemble a diorama, plenty of tutorial videos if it isn't your thing, with the lifeboats in tow and the red cross flying. Would be quite a work of art 🙂 (Please make a vid if you do so!)
FWIW I believe Capt. Hartenstein ordered the red cross flag to be draped over the deck gun, covering it, not flown from a mast.
Captain Sharps First Officer was Commodore Harry Grattidge who covers the sinking in his autobiography. He was also one of the last captains of Aquitania, and technical advisor on A NIGHT TO REMEMBER, along with former Titanic Officer Joseph Boxhall
My second cousin, three times removed was one of the casualties on board the Laconia. Cyril I. Pyror - 1st Class RN Stoker. He died of exposure (although more likely his injuries or being attacked by sharks) while in lifeboat 2.
I also had a family member who was, I now realize, on the Laconia. My father told me that his brother was on a ship sailing back to England from South Africa when they were torpedoed by a German submarine. He explained that the submarine stayed with them and fed them until help arrived. My uncle became a POW until released by the Americans when they invaded north Africa.
This all falls into place from what is now known as the Laconian affair. I am interested on how you found out that your cousin was in a particular lifeboat and unfortunately died from exposure, as I would like learn more about my uncle.
It's interesting to note that the same italian submarine that took part in the rescue mission did a similar thing a few years before, after sinking a belgian freighter the italians rescued the survivors and sailed for an epic voyage to a neutral harbor to release the survivors
After towing the lifeboats, which started sinking a few days after, he brought them on board to a safe harbour.
What amazes me most is the difference in the behavior of the British-Polish crew on the one hand and the Germans on the other. The former trapped the Italians in a sinking ship until every person of their own was safe, stabbing and shooting the desperate men and even hacking their hands with axes as they tried to escape the sharks into lifeboats, while the latter indiscriminately rescued anyone they could find, Italian allies, British enemies and even the Polish guards, although they knew how those had acted towards the Italians.
The Allied side is atrociously white washed, and the Axis is buried under black legend. Over all, the Germans were the best behaved of all the powers involved, and this runs contrary to the black legend the Allied order needs to uphold to maintain power.
What’s the ship name?
almost like the winning side set up a narrative, not only did the allies committed most of the friendly fire incidents, they committed warcrimes left and right too
Those German submariners behaved humanely, but it must be remembered that their comrades on land were far more brutal; the German occupation of Poland killed millions.
@@revanofkorriban1505 You're comparing the crews of a few dozen with the actions of military groups that collectively numbered multiple millions. There was innumerable squads, platoons, and battalions of Germán foot troops who where decent people - and overshadowed by the divisions and political paramilitary elements whos actions disgraced the rest.
My great uncle was an officer on a Dutch merchant ship during the 2nd world war. He was at sea when the Netherlands were occupied and by consequence Liverpool became his new home port. He also sailed on the infamous route to Murmansk, and lost quite some friends and classmates from his Nautical College to German submarines. But despite all that, he held the Germans in high regard and was always referring to them as "decent people". Guess that someone with his experience was entitled to say such a thing.
@arnoudagr. Yeah, those SS guys were real Boy Scouts, weren't they?
My grand-uncle was second-in-command on a German U-Boat. He was send on a suicide mission and knew that he'd likely not return. He told my grandfather "If I make it back, I'll become an Admiral". He died at age 21. I still have the correspondence between my grandfather and the British Admiralty.
I have never heard this story before.
It just reinforces the lesson that war makes monsters of the humans who fight them.
You tell important stories.
Thank you, I will remember this lesson and pass it on.
Mike finnaaallllyyyy I knew you’d cover this eventually and I’m so glad to see this story find a spot on your channel, truly both a fascinating and tragic story made up of so many key moments- It isn’t well known enough.
Thankyou for documenting it in a way only you can ❤
Yes. I've been telling people about this for years. Some people say I'm lying and this story is "Nazi propaganda". I am happy someone on RUclips finally did a proper video about this incident.
It's not a tragic story, but rather one of humanity's best during the worst of times...
It just goes to show how history is written by the winners. Had the roles been reversed the pilots and the base commander would have definitely faced war crimes charges.
True
Propaganda
@@madsquabbles2016 How so?
Not true, a LOT of Germans never faced any criminal charges (including SS). But hey write your own little story lmao
Something I learned from an old history teacher of mine is that “it’s not a war crime as long as your side wins the war.” Something that is unfortunately demonstrated here.
So well done (as Oceanliner Designs always does). This one brought me something I didn't expect.....many, many tears. Thank you for sharing this devastating occurrence in military and maritime history.
My Father was in the crew of the liner SS Washington on September 7, 1939, when the rescued the crew of the Olivegrove after she’d been sunk by the U-33. The U-33 had sent a distress call and stood by for 11 hours to protect the crew until the Washington arrived.
The entire crew of Olivegrove (including the parakeet) survived.
Thank you for yet another wonderful vid Mike . This time on the Laconia tragedy . Your attention to detail is astounding Mike and very much appreciated . So very proud of you and your channel. You were born to do this .
Definitely agree - this is a heartbreaking and frustrating story and I can only commend your strength in tackling it, and your sensitivity in the way you told it! Remembering these types of complex and dubious incidents is so important IMO to counter the over-simplified narratives which still prevail around the history of conflict, & which often continue to shape our attitudes to this day?
does miek do al the animating?
Among German sailors, U-Boot commanders and crew have a special aura around them to this day. Those among them who were lucky enough to survive the war, were an incredibly close-knit group.
Maybe it is because of what they went through on their long patrols in their cramped and gloomy steel coffins, the odds they faced for their survival, or what dramatic effect they could achieve with a single successful shot.
I only know for sure that the steel that made up their nerves was stronger than that in the hull around them.
Great work Mike, what an incredible story. Thank you Oceanliner Designs for shedding light on this. I really hope the Laconia's wreck is found someday.
The introduction of this video already broke my heart a little bit. Great video. Thank you for making it.
that was a war crime. There is nothing controversial regarding that. Just say it as it is. If it had been carried out by Germany, it is a war crime, but because it was carried out by the allies, it was controversial.
History is written by the victors, so it’s always makes them seen in more of a positive light than they should be while demonizing the losing side. Adds the the lie that the so called “good guys” conveniently always win.
You know the saying it's only a war crime when you lose
Agreed every Nation did War Crimes some more some less but it's not Black and white...
And I hate that many Nations still try to hide and downplay what they did... Manly the Japanese, Americans and I would say to a lesser degree the UK @@RS-nk7bd
Video: calls the act a war crime in the title and thumbnail
You: CaLl It A wAr CrImE
@@angusgritz3506 because he change the name.
WWII U-boat commanders are a weird bunch. Some of them are despicable, terrible, awful excuses for a person. Others are shining beacons of humanity.
That's humanity in a nutshell.
In WW2, some Allied commanders, soldiers etc. were more monstrous than the Axis commanders, soldiers etc. It's not a simple, automatically good or evil situation.
Most U-boat commanders were not bad people, I would say that some were great people, like Hartenstein, and others were just average soldiers, politics aside. Only 1 U-boat commander was ever charged with war crimes during the entire war. All in all they have a pretty clean reputation.
@@beefboss1149 Well, most of them didn't make it out of the war to face any charges in the first place. Like 75% of U-boats were destroyed during the war.
@@TheTonyMcD that’s true, I forgot to take that into account. But even still there are few documented cases of crimes taking place and also after torpedoing ships, which were for the most part in convoys, they would not be able to carry out any crimes. But you’re right there were likely undocumented cases that commanders took to their Atlantic graves. It’s just my personal opinion that most commanders were not horrendous people.
The german navy was the branch of the military that was least infested with Nazis.
They committed a war crime by attacking the U-boats during an active rescue operation. They not only killed the 100 survivors they bombed but also the ones who died of wounds and exposure after U 157 was forced to abandon them as well as anyone killed in Sinkings after the Order was given not to risk U-boats in Rescue Missions. The only reason they weren't punished is because we won the war. The fact this hasn't been turned into a movie says alot.
Holywood is the propaganda machine for American exceptionalism!
If there's any stroy that proves there's no such thing as a "good soldier," it's this story. "Just following orders" is a coward defence!
It was not a war crime. Axis u-boats had attacked hospital ships numerous times at that point, as well as civilian vessels, so they lost any protections. The Allies had orders for all troops that no Axis u-boat crews were allowed to live, and any u-boats found were to be sunk no matter what.
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sinking enemy ships regardles of circumstance is in itself a warcrime.
the allies committed warcrimes constantly but all of that was pushed under the rug because we cant have the "good guys" look bad to the public.
if this had been a british or american sub and a german bomber youd be crying in outrage over the despicable act but because its a german sub youre fine with the murdering of civilians.
realy wearing your hipocricy with pride there.
@@uteriel282 Are your parents brother and sister? Because what you wrote takes a special kind of lunacy to believer.
When governments sink each other’s ships, that’s war. Not a war crime. Seriously, you wrote the dumbest thing I have ever read.
@@adamr9215seriously? Even if so Americans just killed their own people. Massive success
Succinct, compelling, and totally distressing. As others have said "there almost seems to be a collective desire to forget this story"
It is as though there are too many stories here all together that are so harrowing; for a film maker they would be overwhelmed, yet your commentary of such a tragedy demonstrating the insanity of war is worthy of an award.
Who needs Hollywood when we have amazing creators such as yourself. Your best work so far. Thank you.
So generous and kind of you, thanks so much!
Yes, Hollywood. How was this a WAR CRIME? This was a CF ... by quite a few people.
@@OceanlinerDesigns Yes, Hollywood. How was this a WAR CRIME? This was a CF ... by quite a few people.
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Because we all know who OWNs Hollywood !!!!!
My grandma used to say "worse things happen at sea" even though her two of her three sons were in the army and the other one was in the air force flying transport planes and my family lived inland. Just goes to show doesn't it?
Mike, your little hobby has surely blossomed here into what should be award winning presentations.... Very few could ever hope to do as good a job as you continue to do here.
Once again Mike great video. Thanks for your attention to these untold stories. I was one of your first subscribers and I'm proud of you. Thanks man!
7:09 my grandmother was a farmer's daughter during WWII And she had several Italian P,O,Ws working her farm, she said that most of them HATED Mussolini (one of them even said "Fu@K Mussolini" more than once) and were very good farm workers, with the war in effect being over for them they seemed to enjoy the relative peace of a farm and one of them even taught her to speak Italian.
They say that shit because they are literally POWs and want to not be supporting of someone that could literally get them killed
Many remained in Britain after WWII and their descendants still farm in the Vale of Evesham.
@@moosifer3321some italian POWs were sent all the way to australia, and apparently about 1 in 5 of them came back afterwards - one of them was my grandfather. returned to italy in 1946, was back by 1949, brought his wife and their baby out by 1950
Thank you for sharing
You can't exactly take to heart the word of a forced slave laborer on enemy's land while he's in captivity. That's what the angloids expected him to say so he said it to survive.
For multiple reasons, Capt. Richardson was a poor officer. One who was properly trained and competent in his job would also give more consideration to the observations of his subordinates who were directly on the scene, rather than 'follow the book.' Poor communication does not provide an excuse for violating established international maritime law, which protected vessels - even enemy combatants, and even submarines - engaged in actions to rescue the survivors of lost ships. Lt. Harden shares some of his superior's guilt by not refusing to carry out a prima facie unlawful order.
Well done on mentioning the Mallison article in the 1993 International Law Studies publication by the Naval War College! It and the rest Vol.65 are available online as a PDF for anyone interested in the legal minutiae of that and other cases of war conducted against merchant shipping.
A tragedy on so many levels. The story is both poignant and inspirational. Superbly presented, as always. 👍
I didn't see this as I was away but now i got the chance to see this I'm absolutely breath taken at the quality, good job oceanliner designs team!
Men with moral courage are a rare find at any time. God bless this man who had a true heart and did his duty at the same time.
I recognized the name "Laconia," so I wrongly assumed I had heard the story of its sinking before; I was completely wrong. Thank you for taking the time to explain the whole story, even the rather mundane bits at the beginning and end. As an American, I am well aware that we are generally not the "good guys" in any past or present conflict, but this story was genuinely shocking. I can honestly understand the American bomber firing upon the German U-Boat (as horrific, unnecessary, ridiculous, and inexcusable as it was), but the part that made me lose my mind was the fact that there was no investigation into the situation afterward, and no one was held accountable! The airmen should have been stripped of the award they received for allegedly sinking a u-boat, at least (because the u-boat didn't actually sink!). The reason this is so frustrating is that we see the same thing continue to happen today. People in positions of leadership are not held accountable for breaking their own rules--but enforce them on others. If American commanders aren't going to be punished for ordering the killing of civilians, then German commanders shouldn't be punished, either. If we stoop to the same level of our enemies, then we are even more evil than they.
There was another Laconia sunk in 1917 (fortunately, just 12 lives were lost).
That's the advantage of being on the winning side. In the words of Winston Churchill: "History will be kind to me, for I shall write it."
Self-loathing Americans are a plague.
Sorry but why do you see the initial attack on the submarine as justified
@@MaticTheProto I didn't say it was justified; I said it was understandable. The fog of war, the low fuel, the lack of communication, the confusing situation unfolding below, etc., all contributed to the bomber crew making a bad decision. Doesn't mean it was a complete accident, nor does it mean they should have gotten off Scott-free. The point I was making was that it is far more terrifying that no one investigated the incident afterwards than the fact that the incident happened in the first place, because that indicates a breakdown of the moral fabric of the entire military, not just a single bomber crew.
Such hi-class documentaries like yours, which are nicely narrated, thoroughly researched, well put together, are pure pleasure to watch. Thanks again.
Just stumbled across this channel. Absolutely FANTASTIC!!!! Some people just don't have that voice to narrate but this man has totally got it. Its made my day finding this channel. Keep it coming, SUBSCRIBED!!!!!!
Thanks so much and welcome aboard!
I seriously can’t imagine how much effort was put into the animation, research, and over all making of this video. Huge respect mike👏🏻👏🏻
As an American citizen, I am beyond ashamed, disgusted, and embarrassed watching this. I’m literally nauseous and shocked at the actions of that bomber crew. That’s a friggin war crime! How could you possibly not see lifeboats packed FULL of human beings?! Then on top of that, they bombed THEM?!
This video is produced with awesome production quality and I absolutely love this channel. Best content in this category and well deserved of all the support that can be given. One day soon I’ll be able to become a patreon contributor when I finally start making enough money to survive, myself.
Thank you for your expertise Mike! You’re the best!
I'm right there with ya leebee1100 - especially w/becoming a patreon contributor. You're not alone there.
I can see how you and probably many others think and feel. And whilst I agree that it is a war crime I see it with a bit more nuance. The aircrew is still pretty much fresh out of training on their very first real combat sortie. They posses very limited amount of information from the actual situation. They only know that their job is to prevent any potential German submarines from striking at British merchant vessels attempting an rescue operation. They do not know that this submarine is actually part of said humanitarian mission. They requested their senior command to provide instructions. It doesn't appear that they mentioned that the u-boat was hauling lifeboats. Nor that it had people on deck. From what I understood, they only reported that they saw a surfaced u-boat with a red cross flag. And the CO made the decision to attack. He gambled that attacking the vessel could potentially save several thousand people and maybe half a dozen of ships. With the fog of war being as dense as it was. This is a tragic incident. And it does highlight that there are certain flags and symbols that must be respected by all sides regardless of nationality, ethnicity or anything else. And even when some would disregard the importance of symbols like those relating to humanitarian rescue and aid. We, the rest, ought to persecute those that disregard this whilst doing our utmost in respecting the symbols and flags meant for help and aid.
I find this story to be one of those that must be told over and over again. We simply can't afford to forget these incidents.
You have to remember, U-Boats were concerned with sinking shipping, not taking lives per se. They would allow rescue boats from other ships in a convoy to abandon a sinking ship. If you want to be embarrassed as an American, look to the Indianapolis. She was overdue by 5 days and the sailors responsible for tracking this were drunk or simply inattentive.. when no one heard from her they “assumed” she made her destination and didn’t chase it down. But the Navy was quick to court-martial the captain and find him guilty even after the testimony of the Japanese sub commander that sunk her said that zig-zag’ing would not have made a difference. The captain committed suicide in the 1960’s after almost 20 years of cards from parents of those killed reminding him that it was his fault. It took the actions of a 12 year old boy to finally bring the case to light and exonerate him.
if you think this is bad don't start to dig on the sinking of MS Rigel...
almost 2250 Soviet, Polish and Yugoslavian PoW's tucked into the all to small MS Rigel with some few hundred German guards on the way down the Norwegian coast when HMS Implacable on direct order from London carried out an airstrike even if they had received direct information that this was a PoW ship and not a troop-ship but the ministry in London gave false information to Implacable.
as the PoW's was escaping into the water the RAF went down and opened full fire on the survivors.
2838 people was onboard, short time after the RAF came there was only 267 survivors.... even if the ship was run aground.
after this the end result was that the Implacable and the crew was awarded given medals for "act of heroism" and when the war was over a direct order from London to the Norwegian government was to ban all investigation of the cause of the attack.
These comments show a lack of understanding of thr reality of war. War is brutal and unfair. Do you honestly believe the bomber crew knew what was going on? Have you ever flown over water in a bomber traveling at 300+ mph? I have. Are you aware that the Germans moved troops and military supplies in transports marked with red cross markings? They did. Frequently. Given the same situation, not sure I wouldn't do the same. War is not a video game. Grow up.
Thank you, Mike! I know about Laconia Incident, but this is beautiful coverage! Keep up the excellent work!
A wonderful piece you've put together here. Laughs, cries and that horrible feeling of War.
Absolutely love the documentary length videos for the OD team 😁❤ thank you all as always for thr amazing work
I always wondered if there was going to be a great documentary about the tragedy… so glad you’ve been able to done it. Great job on it and thank you Mike!
I did not make this, but I finally found a copy and uploaded it a few months ago. Laconia: Survivor's Stories. ruclips.net/video/2QBsPNrmWLE/видео.html
Sadness upon sadness. A very moving true story that made me speechless about the fog of war and the ambiguity of humanity. The animation and the commentary are very well done and creatively crafted.
A truly heartbreaking story . . . so superbly told, well done Sir.
What an incredibly sad and moving story.
I wasn't planning on crying today, but here we are.
Incredible video as always, Mike.
Oops, sorry 😁
Same!
This is the best telling of this story.
That I have heard. Great detail. Thank you.
What a wonderful job you do with these videos. Showing respect and sharing their stories.
Job well done! Your usage of both real and computer generated footage is very well done, and tasteful. It's not over the top and in your face. You have such a classy channel.
Thank you very much!
Thank you, Mike! As a ww2 historian, this is a very interesting and tragic story to hear 😢
Have you written a book? A dissertation? Anything to justify your claim of being an "ww2 historian"?
@@Kaarna5 2:1 Bachelor of Arts degree in History. My dissertation titled “On the Road to Victory: The Female Narrative of the Second World War in the Womens Auxiliary Air Force, Air Transport Service, Women’s Royal Naval Service” graduated from University of Southampton in 2017
What sort of WW2 historian hasn't heard of the Laconia Incident and the HUGE fallout from it as well as it's impact in legal proceedings in post war trials?
Ah, no then.
@@laratheplanespotter So many American war crimes are unaccounted for.... the targeting of civilian populations in Europe and Japan with incendiaries for maximum civilian casualties.... in Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig, Tokyo, Nagasaki, Okinawa etc...
...and the US run Rhine Meadows PoW Death Camps and the genocide of over 1m German PoWs AFTER the wars end....
Incredible story! I’ve never heard of this event before. Thank you for the incredible portrayal!
MIke, i've become a massive fan of your channel. This story has been told with much grace and sensitivity.
A video on the Cap Arcona would be a great companion piece to this one.
This video is a remarkable achievement honoring a story that needs to be widely heard and remembered.
1:55 Epic intro. I've seen some pretty great content from this channel, but this one takes it. Best video yet...in fact, I'd say closer to a high budget doc then a YT video. Well done, mate. 🥂
Another excellent production. This is truly some great work!
Ever since I first heard about this story I'ver maintained that Hartenstein and his men were damn heroes. Also good job in the German pronounciation :P
Amazing documentary - well done! Despite the opinion that every German was a ruthless Nazi, this video shows that there WERE men of honour and compassion, and that they were simply doing their job. Just brilliant!
Yeah, nuance seems to be one of the first victims of war, alas? 😢 And past propaganda seems to constantly continue to skew our understanding of what happened in the past, esp. around conflicts!
The way that skewed understanding of the past colours political decisions now & affects whether the public supports or opposes them is fascinating to me, and often very worrying too. I feel like historians have a huge ethical obligation... Always appreciate educator channels like this who do more indepth dives and highlight some of the more "inconvenient truths" of history. Not without viewer kickback either, I imagine!
Sailors tend to have a sense of chivalry towards other sailors because they're all aware of what the sea can do. The German Navy was probably the least Nazified service, on the opposite end of the spectrum from the Waffen SS.
Yes. I originally began uploading videos about this incident after an argument I got into online with a guy who said all Germans deserved to get killed simply because they were German. It was in the comment section in a documentary about the firebombing of Hamburg. The woman being interviewed was 6 at the time of the bombing. A guy said she deserved to die for what Germany did. I said she was a 6 year old girl and had nothing to do with Nazi atrocities. He said all the Germans were part of it and evil. I argued most Germans were regular people. Most soldiers were regular soldiers. And a lot of Germans were good people. I asked him "Do American women and children deserve to be raped or burned to death because of what Bush did in Iraq? Because of Abu Ghraib and other crimes?" At one point he started repeating the wartime propaganda lies about how all the uboat crews always would machine gun any survivors. I said that was not true. That never happened. They were only ever accused of that once, and it was unlikely it occurred. But a lot of people said the uboats would assist them with food, water, and directions to the nearest land, plus on several occasions would tow them toward shore. He said that was Nazi propaganda. So I looked up this incident, but found no videos on RUclips. So I ended up having to find videos and upload them myself.
Since then I have been messaging creators on RUclips suggesting they make videos about this subject. A couple have mentioned this subject or done short videos about this. But this is the first proper in depth full length documentary about the Laconia Incident anybody has made. Oceanliner Designs is now on my top five favorite RUclips creators.
i appreciate your intelligent post! you might read, as well. Das Boot, by Lothar Gunther Bucheim, and Iron Coffins by Herbert Warner, or Werner. i find inaccuracies in recently written books about history, so i look for older ones. Band Of Brothers is, of course, excellent. getting away from the ones upon which movies are based is where the learning begins, of course.
In truth, very few of the officer corps of the u boat service were Nazis. Likewise it wasn't common to find many fanatical die-for-hitler types in the common crews of the Kriegsmarine. They were mostly men given a difficult job to do which they took no real pleasure in. But they had to do it anyway.
3D modelling has always been a little hobby of mine, I always awe at seeing others excellent work and appreciate the time & patience that went into it.
Excellent piece of work. So much can be taken from this piece of history
brilliantly narrated. Brought me to tears, yet again.
Another sensitive and reflective presentation, thank you, Mike, and crew. The script didn't have an unnecessary word and the 3D visuals were breathtaking. Lovely rendering of the B-24 too. Thank you, your work is of tertiary educational quality.
It was indeed a war crime, the fog of war is basically impossible to claim in this instance. It's uncomfortable when war crimes are committed by 'our guys', but the stories need to be told, the lessons learned, and steps taken.
No crime was committed. You can't carry out an act of war and then hide behind a red cross to keep from being attacked yourself.
It wasn't a warcrime. A U-boat doesn't get protections under international law unless it takes some pretty drastic action to disarm itself, which was not done here.
@1993Crag 🙄 You clearly didn't watch the vid.
@@Michael-zf1ko So what crime was committed?
@@Michael-zf1ko i did thanks
Wow, beautiful animation, well told story and brave men
Thank you for telling this story and from both side without bias
I may or may not have cried while watching this masterpiece
Thank you for making this video and telling this story!
G'day Mike, Yes, this certainly was one of the most 'out of character' incidents of the entire 'Battle of the Atlantic'. Many years ago when I began my journey to become a military historian, I'd read several books and archival documents that referred to 'The Laconia Order'. I did, finally come across a dry, emotionless accounts of the incidents surrounding the loss of the Laconia and did some further reading. I quickly sensed that those who had penned the 'official' reports had displayed a strange need to avoid minute details or to apportion blame at any level.
Nothing I knew about this incident, before today, had any great impact upon me except, of course, for the tragic loss of life.
You and your team's outstanding efforts to bring the Laconia sinking saga to life, via the amazing images you've created, have totally driven home the extreme tragedy; the sense of foreboding, then the suffering of the crews of both vessels plus the luckless, Laconia passengers. The tiny proportion of survivors of the Laconia tragedy were fortunate indeed.
Like all of your visual depictions of the grand era of commercial seafaring, your images are stunningly beautiful and have that unmistakable feeling of historical accuracy; even though shipping of that period is not one of my specialist areas of study... till now.
Throughout the history of WW2 there are, from all sides, isolated tales of remarkable humanity; that sense of this genuinely worldwide conflict did bring out the worst and best of what it means to be human.
The Laconia saga is, perhaps, the story that best illustrates these mixed, conflicting emotions that came from the complex, overall story of the second world war.
No matter what your story content might be in the future, please continue to stick to the truly 'high bar' you've set for yourself and your team mates.
You've truly taken the illustration of historic RUclips videos to much higher level.
Thank you and cheers, Bill H.
It only appears "out of character" because you grew up on a steady diet of allied postwar propaganda, about vile nazis acting despicable and valiant allies acting chivalrous. This whole incident is far more truthful in displaying the characteristics of the factions involved.
@@InternetStudiesGuy disobeying orders, not from Nixon , Bush,. Or Churchill....
But Disobeying Direct Orders from Adolf Hitler MEANT A SUREFIRE TORTUROUS DEATH!
I knew of this incident from very young because my Grandmother's brother was one of the survivors. He died in 1993 but left a series of 1963 Sunday Express articles with personal notes about how this war crime was covered up when it was exposed at the Nuremberg trials as part of Admiral Donitz's defence
@InternetStudiesGuy, allied post-war propaganda? What a funny way you chose of describing the truth.
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if by describing the truth you mean pretending like allies never did anything bad then youre just as much brainwashed as many others that think the nazis were the only bad guys during the greates (read: most aweful) war in human history.
I love this channel, bringing back these beautiful ship back to life and giving them their own personalities. We all appreciate the amount of research and efforts you put in all your vids❤❤❤
Wow. Fantastic story of WW-II told in such a fantastic way..... !!! Many many thanks to you & your team for bring such life into this bit of history. Well done indeed !
Your videos are the very best. Thank you for all the awesome work
This is just utterly despicable, shame on those American pilots. There is NO excuse for these types of actions! It's a war crime, nothing less.
This is normal behaviour for American armed forces. They shoot at everything that moves. Including their own side. Especially their own side.
It's interesting that we often tend to think of targeting aid workers, journalists & civilians (war crimes all) as being a fairly new phenomenon ... and yet it's been around forever, more or less as long as armed conflict has? And sadly even the supposed "good guys" in various wars have done far too much of it! 😭
Hence the need for things like the Geneva conventions & the UDHR, and the ongoing problems with whether/how they're enforceable. Esp. if major nations try to undermine the work of the International Court and other global human rights enforcement bodies...
All these judgements are written by children that have never been in war or even close to it.
No clue on what they are commenting on.
I mean to be fair to them they weren’t aware of the Laconias sinking and of the ongoing rescue effort. Their goals was to sink the sub and unfortunately they hit the life boat but they didn’t purposely try to hit the survivors. Just an all around shitty situation.
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They needed their eyes tested.
A fascinating story told so well, yet again. Oceanliner Designs is guaranteed to produce quality documentary content. Mike’s dedication to research and the spirit of true journalism - explaining historic events in a way any layperson can understand, enjoy, and appreciate. I’ve had a career in writing and sub-editing for 35 years, and the scripts are always beautifully crafted works I’d be proud to have produced. Plus Mike’s an excellent presenter who is measured but also natural and genuine. And so wonderful to hear an Aussie voice! It’s also nice to see the partnerships he has with people like the Titanic Honour and Glory guys. No competition, just people with a shared passion enjoying themselves. I’m really enthusiastic about Mike’s work and wish him every success.
Best video in my opinion so far!
Excellent, and extremely sad story
Once again another great video from you Mike.
This is such a touching story!
I am blown away in your story telling and the visuals, I was almost brought to tears from what these people went through...
It really illustrates how terrible war can be and all sides where the victims of such tragedy...
I love this video so much this deserves some kind of award!!!
Thank you for covering this story Mike!!
Mr. Brady, I thank you 10,000x and win you the Internet for a week.
The story about the Laconia comes out of one of your great books in your Famous Library. Absolutely.. flat out on point! You sir... are THEE reason.. why I have begun to open up my spread of knowledge of Steamers past the 4 funneled favorites.
My hat is off to you sir, absolutely out did yourself!!!
I always look forward to seeing your videos. You have become one of he best channels on RUclips.
Another interesting sub rescue story is the SS Rakuyō Maru. She was an infamous "Hell Ship" full of Australian and British POWs sunk by the USS Pampanito who coordinated a rescue attempt of the survivors. There is a video interviewing her crew on YT and a reunion in the 90s with crew and POWs, it's interesting and tragic.
And the sinking of that Japanese transport was just one, there were others. To have suffered internment in a Japanese POW camp only to die by friendly fire on a 'hellship' is tragic.
Very well done, Mike. An excellent treatise on a little-known and not well understood tragedy of WWII. I was considering doing a post on my blog about the Laconia incident, but I believe you have done a far better coverage of this event than I could have done. Hats off to you, my friend!
Kindest regards,
Kerry McCoy
Ships of State Studio
The way you tell a story is nice! Keep up the videos and I’ll keep smashing the thumbs up 👍
An amazing video, right there. Thank you, dude !