I think Kieran is the most tragic character in the whole game. YES, even more tragic than Arthur. Arthur had lots of good times, true friends he could count on such as Sadie, John, Charles and Hosea, and even though his life went to shit, he still made the best of it and had his really happy moments. Kieran on the other hand...he got nothing. He was forced to ride with the O'Driscolls or die, he didn't wanna be a part of it and he hated it. When he got captured, nobody believed him and everybody hated him. He never had anybody, didn't have friends, nobody trusted him or truly cared for him (except maybe Mary Beth to an extent, but not nearly as much as others cared for Arthur). Then, he died a horrible death getting brutally tortured without ever truly experiencing life or doing what he loves to do, caring for horses. He was just an extremely unfortunate kid who always winded up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Poor guy.
100% agree. Honestly his death hurt a bit more that Arthur. Like Arthur was sad, but his death felt somewhat triumphant helping John escape and causing Dutch to abandon Micha. Kierans felt meaningless, just a poor kid killed in an atrocious act of violence.
He saved Arthur’s life so if he lived & if Dutch never lost his mind maybe eventually he would’ve been able to further prove himself by doing a job or something.
Y'know what I was thinking? Kieran's death was SO unnecessary. He had such a huge potential in terms of character development. I still don't think he should be openly accepted into the gang, but at the very least, he could have escaped with Uncle and the other girls, and at the epilogue, he reunites with Sadie, assisting her with the bounty hunting. He doesn't even need to become a badass gunslinger, but at least he'd be doing something other than tending to horses. That would've been an interesting turn of events, considering how Sadie treated Kieran at the very beginning. Heck, if they still want to keep his fondness for horses, he could've been working at the Pronghorn Ranch and be the one who vouches for John and his family. It was such a waste of good character, IMO.
I think that by the end of Chapter 3 and the beginning of 4, Kieran is actually someone appreciated in the camp. Nothing like being friends with anyone, but Arthur used to call him "O'Driscoll Boy" and other names to fuck with him. By Chapter 3, I realized that Arthur would call Kieran by his name a lot more and he even asked if Kieran was doing well. I like to imagine an alternate universe where Micah collects Downe's debt and gets TB, where Kieran grows into an actual member of the gang and where Arthur finds happiness (though unlikely sadly)
Kieran knew his role and place and it was beneficial for them. He knew horses and full time was their care taker.. that's backed up by his request for Burdock Root, when he says the horses have been through a lot. His death was shocking and sad.
If you notice Dutch did have Kieran buried, which is and odd thing to do for someone thought of as a traitor. He could have had him dumped to the gators. But no, Dutch had him buried like any other fallen gang member. I don’t think he told the O'Driscolls where to find the gang. He got snatched by them so they had to have been close anyway. He was certainly tortured for other information.
I fully agree with this. I mean they burned Molly (we know why) but Kieran was by chapter 4 appreciated even by most off the gang, accepted he was by chapter 2 imo. Arthur thanks him in chapter 2 too when he says I saw some off Colm's boys riding around. Then Arthur says thanks for letting me know Kieran,... and body thanks.. for saving my life I mean.
I always thought the story he told at the campfire where the people around him always died and he was left hinted that he would make it out and find a real life. I think in the gang, he could have given tips to Arthur about O'Driscoll hideouts. Maybe even a mission with him and Sadie with her realizing he was never really a part of Colm's gang. Definitely would have made me maybe start to like her character.
This. I'm still surprised that Sadie never really interacted with Kieran/realized he wasn't really an O'Driscoll. Her seeing past her rage to see who Kieran really was and Kieran gaining some true friends would have been some good character development for the both of them. I don't think Sadie even reacted to Kieran's death at all.
I feel like he would’ve been. Arthur was warming up to him and Mary-Beth seemed to really like him. And everyone at camp is really shook up after his death if you talk to them.
Look what the have done to my boy :c Kieran is one of the characters I love the most, he was so human, just wanted to survive but still such a noble soul...
I think Kieran had so much potential as a character. Just like Sadie went from a grieving widow in Chapters 1 and 2 to becoming one of Arthur's most loyal allies, I think he had the same potential to prove himself and help Arthur in the last chapter. He probably wouldn't have made such a huge difference, but he could at least have helped the women escape. Maybe by the prologue he could have married Mary-Beth and John could meet them and their child, it would have been such a cute ending
Honestly one of the most tragic characters in the series. He seemed like a genuinely good man, wish he could have survived and escaped with Mary-Beth towards the end.
Arthur is usually hostile to Kieran when your interacting with him in the gang. That changes at the party after Jacks return. Arthur stops insulting him and is more cordial to him. Sadly most miss it as you need actually wait a bit I think till next morning. I believe based on that interaction that If Kieran lived longer, Arthur would probably warm up to him.
Kieran is probably the worst outlaw recruit because he isn’t a brute. He isn’t a bad guy. He is a gentle soul as Mary Beth says. He is definitely a more supportive defense character which explains why he is left behind to protect the camp and do support tasks. I don’t think the he is a coward by any means as he does save Arthur’s life. It’s not that he’s useless in a fight but he needs very clear moral high ground reasons to kill another. He only kills in defense of another he wants to protect. He doesn’t proactively go out to hurt people. This makes him a bad outlaw but a good person. He’s like a lost little puppy that keeps on getting kicked around by bigger dogs around him. I do not think he is a traitor. He always stayed close to camp and didn’t go out on runs like the others. The only time I saw him go out was the fishing trip and he had Arthur’s protection. So the O Driscolls found the camp already and they snatched Kieran after the party. I don’t think he sold them out because they already knew where the camp was. Wish we could have had more time with him. Although Dutch does mention him again when Cole gets hanged.
People who are like kiernan have the need to be something somehow . And this need leeds to people pleasing . A people pleaser ends up a scapegoad . Just watch how people act around a person who is too kind . They talk down or act out with them . I have seen this time and again .
Yeah, I always thought kerian was getting onto or chewing him out about something, cause you see him point back at the horses a few times, as if he's telling colm they need more food, (or better shelter more likely) which could easilly explain why colm starts smacking him around. He also later tells dutch, while tied up, actively being interrogated by him, that he hates colm even more than him.
The gang saying things like "I was just starting to like him" but hind sight is 20/20. Its likely they would say that no matter when he died and it would've been a while longer before he lived down the bullying.
8:50 Do we know for sure if Kieran revealed the location of the camp to the O'Driscolls or not? I always felt like it could've been the O'Driscolls knew the location from when they kidnapped Kieran or just Kieran's horse finding its way back home again.
One thing you passed over was during the ride to Braithwaite Manor. When Dutch is barking orders out, he orders Kieran (and Micah) to stay with the camp and protect it. Something happened to where Kieran actually became more or less a valued member of the gang despite the crap Bill and Sadie put him through.
I think Kieran's association with the O'Driscoll gang would have ended shortly after Colm died and his gang dissipated. It isn't really a question of whether or not the gang accepts him. It is more up to Kieran to earn their acceptance. It isn't him vs. the gang, it's him vs. each gang member. Some of them will accept him sooner and easier than others. So, if he did enough to earn it then I think they'd eventually accept him. Would he be capable of earning it? That's another question. But I think it is possible. Although he does not strike me as a particularly effective outlaw. It also depends what you mean by "accepted". Micah is there with the gang. Seems to be a permanent fixture. Do you suggest the gang "accepts" him? Near as I can tell everyone except Dutch and maybe Javier hates Micah. Even the dog. I think Kieran would have no problem whatsoever becoming "accepted" more than Micah is. I'd say he probably achieved that before he died despite never doing any jobs with the gang or being permitted any real opportunities at all to prove himself.
I doubt they would have bothered hunting for him. Maybe if he got unlucky and bumped into O'Driscolls that knew him, but I don't think they would have actively looked for him.
I think your off with this one. Kiran said himself that he was as good as dead on his own and it was Kirans choice to stay. Anyone could have left on their own free will if they wanted to and if he wasn't accepted by the gang they would have set him off on his own regardless if he saved Arthur or not. I think those facts alone negate your argument.
Even Bill grew a soft spot for him. But he'd have run off after the failed bank heist if he wasn't captured by the O'Driscolls. He wasn't cut out for the gang, or really any gang. Just trying to survive.
Same I completely forgotten about him when his corpse showed up during my first playthrough Mary Beth screams and yells "IT'S KIERAN!" I said "aw wait who?" 🤣 Honestly during my first playthrough I didn't give a damn about any of the characters that died Not even Lenny and Arthur 😂 I was more concerned about Charles and Sadie Whenever Charles was involved and after seeing others die I kept hoping he wouldn't die and thankfully he lives throughout
Most off the gang accepted him by mid chapter 3. And go to camp more often Arthur says O'driscoll boy but it's more a joke imo, and he thanks Kieran for saving his life. Go to camp and if Kieran says to Arthur that he saw some off Colm's guys riding about, he says thanks for letting me know Kieran.., and boah thanks for saving my life.,. He was allready accepted by most off the gang, and I would even say appreciated by end chapter 3, beginning off chapter 4. They bury him too like someone here pointed out. So yeah.. I believe they saw him as one off there own. But offcourse they joked around with him a lot in the beginning. I mean even Bill gets still laughed about.. Kieran wasn't maybe a gunman, but he pulled his weight by attending to the horses imo. Edit I see you had the camp interaction.
No Dutch’s gang was doomed after the ferry job. The entire gang was operating as a shell of its former self. There was simply no place for a man like Kieran to be accepted while the gang was falling apart
Y'know what I was thinking? Kieran's death was SO unnecessary. He had such a huge potential in terms of character development. I still don't think he should be openly accepted into the gang, but at the very least, he could have escaped with Uncle and the other girls, and at the epilogue, he reunites with Sadie, assisting her with the bounty hunting. He doesn't even need to become a badass gunslinger, but at least he'd be doing something other than tending to horses. That would've been an interesting turn of events, considering how Sadie treated Kieran at the very beginning. Heck, if they still want to keep his fondness for horses, he could've been working at the Pronghorn Ranch and be the one who vouches for John and his family. It was such a waste of good character, IMO.
You can't just say that and not provide evidence, you can hear himself screaming in the woods during the party at shady Belle I imagine he was killed before he could even think about ratting
@@johnnysatanseed4770 There are two possibilities, Odriscolls already know where the camp is, which is highly unlikely, since the gang’s survival depends on it and everyone makes sure they are not followed. Two, Odriscolls lured Kieran out and captured him since he was a traitor, and someone threatened him to gauge his eyes out just like Bill did with his balls. The difference is the Odriscolls killed him anyway since he was a rat after finding out where the camp is. You be the judge, I’m going with the second since it makes way more sense.
@@kaydens6964thank you, the 2nd option is the most likely but something tells me from what is shown in rdr2 Kieran wanted to be a trusted Vanderlinde member, but I can see him being beaten to talk as he has a very weak will.
@@kaydens6964 Wait. I'm confused. So they didn't know where the camp was but they waited outside camp to lure him out? I don't think he would leave camp since he wouldn't even go fishing by himself.
@@november_victor9693 letters do reach camp members. Like I said, either they already knew where the camp is and snatched him without anyone noticing, or they captured him elsewhere. I’m going with the second option, as it is the most logical and inline with his character.
I think Kieran is the most tragic character in the whole game. YES, even more tragic than Arthur. Arthur had lots of good times, true friends he could count on such as Sadie, John, Charles and Hosea, and even though his life went to shit, he still made the best of it and had his really happy moments.
Kieran on the other hand...he got nothing. He was forced to ride with the O'Driscolls or die, he didn't wanna be a part of it and he hated it. When he got captured, nobody believed him and everybody hated him. He never had anybody, didn't have friends, nobody trusted him or truly cared for him (except maybe Mary Beth to an extent, but not nearly as much as others cared for Arthur). Then, he died a horrible death getting brutally tortured without ever truly experiencing life or doing what he loves to do, caring for horses.
He was just an extremely unfortunate kid who always winded up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Poor guy.
I’m always nice to Keiran I loved when the gang gets to Rhodes Arthur gets an option to go fishing with him & it’s actually a good time.
100% agree. Honestly his death hurt a bit more that Arthur. Like Arthur was sad, but his death felt somewhat triumphant helping John escape and causing Dutch to abandon Micha. Kierans felt meaningless, just a poor kid killed in an atrocious act of violence.
@@rainyday9174 damn O’Driscols
@@rainyday9174I wouldn’t say it was random. They got him because he “betrayed” them.
@@Sebastian62608 aye. That is true
Honestly he was being accepted before being killed so yes. Love you Kieran ❤.
He saved Arthur’s life so if he lived & if Dutch never lost his mind maybe eventually he would’ve been able to further prove himself by doing a job or something.
By everyone EXCEPT dutch or Micha
@@iceluvndiva21nah Dutch allowed him
Pretty sad what happened to him
I always hate how everyone treats him. Kerin probably the best natured person in the gang
I wish more had been done with Kieran. He really was such a good character.
He should've come on the mission where you steal the Braithwaite horses as that was always his interest.
Y'know what I was thinking? Kieran's death was SO unnecessary. He had such a huge potential in terms of character development. I still don't think he should be openly accepted into the gang, but at the very least, he could have escaped with Uncle and the other girls, and at the epilogue, he reunites with Sadie, assisting her with the bounty hunting. He doesn't even need to become a badass gunslinger, but at least he'd be doing something other than tending to horses. That would've been an interesting turn of events, considering how Sadie treated Kieran at the very beginning.
Heck, if they still want to keep his fondness for horses, he could've been working at the Pronghorn Ranch and be the one who vouches for John and his family. It was such a waste of good character, IMO.
Wish Kieran would of lived and been a interaction you can have in the epilogue. But now he is married and has a family.
yeah he could have married Mary-Beth and have a family with her
I was kinda hoping him and Mary-Beth would get together. They had good chemistry and seemed to really like each other’s company.
I think that by the end of Chapter 3 and the beginning of 4, Kieran is actually someone appreciated in the camp. Nothing like being friends with anyone, but Arthur used to call him "O'Driscoll Boy" and other names to fuck with him. By Chapter 3, I realized that Arthur would call Kieran by his name a lot more and he even asked if Kieran was doing well. I like to imagine an alternate universe where Micah collects Downe's debt and gets TB, where Kieran grows into an actual member of the gang and where Arthur finds happiness (though unlikely sadly)
Kieran knew his role and place and it was beneficial for them. He knew horses and full time was their care taker.. that's backed up by his request for Burdock Root, when he says the horses have been through a lot. His death was shocking and sad.
He was a useless character, too few mission with him, complete pushover, bring nothing to the gang appart for brushing the horse
If you notice Dutch did have Kieran buried, which is and odd thing to do for someone thought of as a traitor. He could have had him dumped to the gators. But no, Dutch had him buried like any other fallen gang member.
I don’t think he told the O'Driscolls where to find the gang. He got snatched by them so they had to have been close anyway. He was certainly tortured for other information.
I fully agree with this. I mean they burned Molly (we know why) but Kieran was by chapter 4 appreciated even by most off the gang, accepted he was by chapter 2 imo. Arthur thanks him in chapter 2 too when he says I saw some off Colm's boys riding around. Then Arthur says thanks for letting me know Kieran,... and body thanks.. for saving my life I mean.
After Lenny, Kieran's death is the one that hit me the hardest
They’re sad because they’re meaningless
Kieran deserved better he stood with the gang when Pinkertons showed up to the camp unlike micah leaving the camp
Kieran was such a underrated character
I always thought the story he told at the campfire where the people around him always died and he was left hinted that he would make it out and find a real life.
I think in the gang, he could have given tips to Arthur about O'Driscoll hideouts. Maybe even a mission with him and Sadie with her realizing he was never really a part of Colm's gang. Definitely would have made me maybe start to like her character.
This. I'm still surprised that Sadie never really interacted with Kieran/realized he wasn't really an O'Driscoll. Her seeing past her rage to see who Kieran really was and Kieran gaining some true friends would have been some good character development for the both of them. I don't think Sadie even reacted to Kieran's death at all.
I feel like he would’ve been. Arthur was warming up to him and Mary-Beth seemed to really like him. And everyone at camp is really shook up after his death if you talk to them.
Look what the have done to my boy :c Kieran is one of the characters I love the most, he was so human, just wanted to survive but still such a noble soul...
I think Kieran had so much potential as a character. Just like Sadie went from a grieving widow in Chapters 1 and 2 to becoming one of Arthur's most loyal allies, I think he had the same potential to prove himself and help Arthur in the last chapter. He probably wouldn't have made such a huge difference, but he could at least have helped the women escape. Maybe by the prologue he could have married Mary-Beth and John could meet them and their child, it would have been such a cute ending
Honestly one of the most tragic characters in the series. He seemed like a genuinely good man, wish he could have survived and escaped with Mary-Beth towards the end.
Arthur is usually hostile to Kieran when your interacting with him in the gang. That changes at the party after Jacks return. Arthur stops insulting him and is more cordial to him. Sadly most miss it as you need actually wait a bit I think till next morning. I believe based on that interaction that If Kieran lived longer, Arthur would probably warm up to him.
Kieran is probably the worst outlaw recruit because he isn’t a brute. He isn’t a bad guy. He is a gentle soul as Mary Beth says. He is definitely a more supportive defense character which explains why he is left behind to protect the camp and do support tasks. I don’t think the he is a coward by any means as he does save Arthur’s life. It’s not that he’s useless in a fight but he needs very clear moral high ground reasons to kill another. He only kills in defense of another he wants to protect. He doesn’t proactively go out to hurt people.
This makes him a bad outlaw but a good person.
He’s like a lost little puppy that keeps on getting kicked around by bigger dogs around him.
I do not think he is a traitor. He always stayed close to camp and didn’t go out on runs like the others. The only time I saw him go out was the fishing trip and he had Arthur’s protection. So the O Driscolls found the camp already and they snatched Kieran after the party. I don’t think he sold them out because they already knew where the camp was. Wish we could have had more time with him.
Although Dutch does mention him again when Cole gets hanged.
kierans death was one of the worst for me
i really liked him, and when he died i have to say the game got a bit grayer for me
Great video, we need more Kieran appreciation
Kieran Duffy a character you definitely feel sorry for on the game.
I think Kieran should had stuck more in the game with character development
People who are like kiernan have the need to be something somehow . And this need leeds to people pleasing . A people pleaser ends up a scapegoad . Just watch how people act around a person who is too kind . They talk down or act out with them . I have seen this time and again .
No Kieran would have died so much faster on his own before he died he had a friend in Arthur and some of the ladies in the gang
Hey, at least mary-beth accepted him
I didnt know Kieran was the one getting smacked around by Colm in that mission. It does make sense.
The details in this game are crazy
Yeah, I always thought kerian was getting onto or chewing him out about something, cause you see him point back at the horses a few times, as if he's telling colm they need more food, (or better shelter more likely) which could easilly explain why colm starts smacking him around.
He also later tells dutch, while tied up, actively being interrogated by him, that he hates colm even more than him.
The gang saying things like "I was just starting to like him" but hind sight is 20/20. Its likely they would say that no matter when he died and it would've been a while longer before he lived down the bullying.
Kieran deserved to have Marry Beth and own his own stable
8:50 Do we know for sure if Kieran revealed the location of the camp to the O'Driscolls or not? I always felt like it could've been the O'Driscolls knew the location from when they kidnapped Kieran or just Kieran's horse finding its way back home again.
@jasper7714 Oh, huh! Never heard that myself, didn't let those camps talk too long after I found them post-Kieran's death. It was on sight after that.
One thing you passed over was during the ride to Braithwaite Manor. When Dutch is barking orders out, he orders Kieran (and Micah) to stay with the camp and protect it. Something happened to where Kieran actually became more or less a valued member of the gang despite the crap Bill and Sadie put him through.
I think Kieran's association with the O'Driscoll gang would have ended shortly after Colm died and his gang dissipated. It isn't really a question of whether or not the gang accepts him. It is more up to Kieran to earn their acceptance. It isn't him vs. the gang, it's him vs. each gang member. Some of them will accept him sooner and easier than others. So, if he did enough to earn it then I think they'd eventually accept him. Would he be capable of earning it? That's another question. But I think it is possible. Although he does not strike me as a particularly effective outlaw.
It also depends what you mean by "accepted". Micah is there with the gang. Seems to be a permanent fixture. Do you suggest the gang "accepts" him? Near as I can tell everyone except Dutch and maybe Javier hates Micah. Even the dog. I think Kieran would have no problem whatsoever becoming "accepted" more than Micah is. I'd say he probably achieved that before he died despite never doing any jobs with the gang or being permitted any real opportunities at all to prove himself.
he was right on ther cusp of being accepted, they would never let up the jokes but he became one of them right at the end of his life.
I loved him so much. 😭
I dunno if the O'Driscolls would have killed him if he had gone off on his own or not.
I doubt they would have bothered hunting for him. Maybe if he got unlucky and bumped into O'Driscolls that knew him, but I don't think they would have actively looked for him.
I think your off with this one. Kiran said himself that he was as good as dead on his own and it was Kirans choice to stay. Anyone could have left on their own free will if they wanted to and if he wasn't accepted by the gang they would have set him off on his own regardless if he saved Arthur or not. I think those facts alone negate your argument.
Even Bill grew a soft spot for him. But he'd have run off after the failed bank heist if he wasn't captured by the O'Driscolls. He wasn't cut out for the gang, or really any gang. Just trying to survive.
Sadie was going to kill Lazlow in the early of chapter
Same I completely forgotten about him when his corpse showed up during my first playthrough
Mary Beth screams and yells "IT'S KIERAN!"
I said "aw wait who?" 🤣
Honestly during my first playthrough I didn't give a damn about any of the characters that died
Not even Lenny and Arthur 😂
I was more concerned about Charles and Sadie
Whenever Charles was involved and after seeing others die I kept hoping he wouldn't die and thankfully he lives throughout
My brother and I call him Chris D'Elia because he's Chris D'Elia.
Most off the gang accepted him by mid chapter 3. And go to camp more often Arthur says O'driscoll boy but it's more a joke imo, and he thanks Kieran for saving his life. Go to camp and if Kieran says to Arthur that he saw some off Colm's guys riding about, he says thanks for letting me know Kieran.., and boah thanks for saving my life.,. He was allready accepted by most off the gang, and I would even say appreciated by end chapter 3, beginning off chapter 4. They bury him too like someone here pointed out. So yeah.. I believe they saw him as one off there own. But offcourse they joked around with him a lot in the beginning. I mean even Bill gets still laughed about..
Kieran wasn't maybe a gunman, but he pulled his weight by attending to the horses imo.
Edit I see you had the camp interaction.
Lol the one time he went off alone he lost his head so idk about being better off alone
He never went off by himself. He was drunk during Jack's return party, passed out somewhere, and got kidnapped by the O'Driscolls.
No Dutch’s gang was doomed after the ferry job. The entire gang was operating as a shell of its former self. There was simply no place for a man like Kieran to be accepted while the gang was falling apart
Y'know what I was thinking? Kieran's death was SO unnecessary. He had such a huge potential in terms of character development. I still don't think he should be openly accepted into the gang, but at the very least, he could have escaped with Uncle and the other girls, and at the epilogue, he reunites with Sadie, assisting her with the bounty hunting. He doesn't even need to become a badass gunslinger, but at least he'd be doing something other than tending to horses. That would've been an interesting turn of events, considering how Sadie treated Kieran at the very beginning.
Heck, if they still want to keep his fondness for horses, he could've been working at the Pronghorn Ranch and be the one who vouches for John and his family. It was such a waste of good character, IMO.
OhHhHhH iTs JuSt oNe OfF tHeM tHiNgS hahaha.
Kieran was my guy
48th
Ps: Rip Kieran
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No, he was a rat, he even ratted out on the Van der linde camp location when he was kidnapped by Odriscolls.
You can't just say that and not provide evidence, you can hear himself screaming in the woods during the party at shady Belle I imagine he was killed before he could even think about ratting
@@johnnysatanseed4770 There are two possibilities,
Odriscolls already know where the camp is, which is highly unlikely, since the gang’s survival depends on it and everyone makes sure they are not followed.
Two, Odriscolls lured Kieran out and captured him since he was a traitor, and someone threatened him to gauge his eyes out just like Bill did with his balls. The difference is the Odriscolls killed him anyway since he was a rat after finding out where the camp is.
You be the judge, I’m going with the second since it makes way more sense.
@@kaydens6964thank you, the 2nd option is the most likely but something tells me from what is shown in rdr2 Kieran wanted to be a trusted Vanderlinde member, but I can see him being beaten to talk as he has a very weak will.
@@kaydens6964 Wait. I'm confused. So they didn't know where the camp was but they waited outside camp to lure him out? I don't think he would leave camp since he wouldn't even go fishing by himself.
@@november_victor9693 letters do reach camp members. Like I said, either they already knew where the camp is and snatched him without anyone noticing, or they captured him elsewhere. I’m going with the second option, as it is the most logical and inline with his character.