BOLTR - La BOMBA! Red Lion water chooch'r is engineered to FAIL!
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2015
- TL;DW skip to 18:45 for failed part
Bored of lame tool reviews? Here's a long term lookee-loo at a high quality pump that would last forever if it wasn't engineered to fail!
I'll show you how to check motor windings with a megger high voltage tester. Then we'll tear into the guts of the pump to discover a not so subtle omission that reduces the life of the pump considerably.
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So you speak English to your RUclips audience, Spanish to your tools, and French to your daughter? You truly are a multilinguist.
German to the camera
You call that english?
Speak Latin to God, Italian to women, French when you're pissed, Irish when your drunk, German to your horse, and if you're hungry Chinese to your dog.
I, too, almost speak one language (English).
And I think he speaks German to his machinery as well
I can't stop watching your vids man... Potato milling brought me here
+david porter same thing brought me here
+david porter Yeah, that potato milling vid showed up on my RUclips recommended vids a few weeks back, and I watched it, and then I offended my lesbian friends by asking them how they hang pictures in their house, and then I visited a friend and saw the same vid recommended to him. I think our robot overlords want us all to say "chooch", and so they're systematically feeding us this guy's vids. Totally worth it, these are great edutainment. I can't understand half of what he says because it's too technical, and the other half is some kind of Canadian gibberish, so it's like a kaleidoscope of language.
I always have another tab open to look up terms and idioms. It's like reading Chaucer over here. Love it.
Same! these videos are great background noise (not to sound disrespectful)
could be reading Ulysses, I don't know what half, probably more of this means, but it sounds good
looks good as well
and I can pretend I'm learning
same
hahahahaha
what
*looks up potato milling*
also, 'a kaleidoscope of language' is the choochiest thing I've read all day
That engineering has helped job shops like mine earn a pay check. Can't tell you how many shafts I have repaired because of the same exact problems. Even big names like Baldor, they build them the same way..carbon steel shafts. Great jobs for the metalizing!
Say what ya want, I always enjoyed owning there grinders. My carbide grinder is much better than the china made version we used to own. I think Keith Fenner knows what mean.
Hey, regardless, I always enjoy your videos. Always informative and entertaining.
***** yes ...if they make them strong then all you need is a pack of bearings and it will keep on going " induction motor)
take my three phase induction motor for example which failed out of the box .for my smaller lathe.didnt even turn a fan (thought there was somthing wrong with variable frequency driver)
they replaced the whole thing only to fail after 3 mounths...wow..engineering at its best...
i mean if they made with there shoes it would have performed better lol
thats why no more china for me......
made in USA/Germany/UK/japan heck even Czech republic motors are premium compared to Chinese stuff
***** yeah even the cheaper german stuff is good,,,
but the Chinese ....are trying to get away from the well known fact that their stuff sucks....
so they are slowly improving....but that is increasing the price...and there is no escaping it so eventauly shipping stuff from china will prove unfeasible/unrealistic ....and with shipping cost going up...that as well may speed up the return of industries to its home land
It's a shame that we need to engineer products to fail, in order to keep the economy functioning. But then again people needs jobs to eat... but then again it means more environmental degradation... that we rely on to make our jobs...
mofo syne
yes when you look at these factors...
if you know how to fabricate stuff ...and that is fittings , castings , home made tools, pulleys then get your self a mini or medsize lathe + mill machine and make your own stuff....that's the only way i see it to get good quality stuff...
that way if it fails...your the one to blame...and your gona go back to research board lol and remake a better one...next thing you know people will come TO YOU...to solve problems...
try also machining / purposing left over salvaged parts that cuts down cost and time
i sometimes build it entirely new or fabricate the components that they cheaped out when the manufacture was making it and you will end up with a better product...
I was once forced to engeneer crap like this. The stainless sleeve on the mild steel shaft to protect the seeling was not allowed by my boss back then. Too expensive he said. I'm glad, they never built it, at least as far as I know. I left after a few weeks.
"Like shearing a pig... lots of squealing, not a lot of wool." that's some gold there.
I've also noticed many submersible pumps are oil-filled. Keeps things lubricated, helps cool the motor, and also minimizes the chance of water/moisture ingress.
This setup for capacitors is what is commonly called a "Hard Start Kit". As the capacitor charges during the initial startup it delays voltage/current phase to the second winding effectively creating 2 phases. It then usually switches off after a couple of milliseconds. It's common on a lot of compressors for refrigerators etc. etc. for single phase non-shaded pole motors.
+atomgonuclear
Thanks for that.
I’m 7 years late, but you’re wrong. There’s no start assist here. It’s simply a permanent split motor with a run capacitor.
I know that this is an old video but I just watched it and wanted to share my "Engineered To Fail" story. I used to own a car, from a certain manufacturer that shall remain nameless, and from the factory, they used lithium grease in the wheel bearings. Now...I ain't no genus but I shur as heckums know that lithium grease is petroleum based and WILL dissolve rubber. Sure enough, it did. I had to go back to the manufacturer and get a new set of wheel bearings. I packed and installed them myself with proper bearing grease so that wouldn't happen again. The car is 33 years old now and the bearings are still spinning strong. There doesn't seem to be any other explanation other than engineered to fail, that's just too big of a "mistake" for a big name car company to make "by accident". Just thought I'd share. Keep on choochin!
Subaru?
I'm an auto tech of 25 years. Wheel bearings? LOL I sure do replace a lot of wheel bearings on Generation Motorists.
My Cracura TL eats wheel bearings like skittles. They are press in too so it ain't easy. Fackkin junk.
I'm grateful my car's bearings have lasted. 200k so far.
@jason9022 the lithium grease destroyed the rubber seal that keeps the grease in the bearing. When the seal was gone, the bearing was starved of grease, because it exited stage left through that seal. A wheel bearing with no lubrication is an unhappy thing.
Not like anyone cares, but I'll say it anyhow... Princess Auto. Started in Winterpeg. Was an auto wrecker. They were on Princess street. Hence the name. "Now you know". :D
Also - be careful of ramming too many electrons down the pipe there. You'll just over-do the voltage rating of the wiring, fire holes through it, then it'll really be toast, when before maybe it wasn't. Unless you're testing plug wires. Then go nuts.
I just got into this channel and really love the videos. I used to build PCs in a small shop and saw batches of motherboards go bad because of the same capacitors for 2 years straight. I think we had replaced every one we sold. Later I heard that the company had stolen the formula in an act of corporate espionage, but the formula wasn't finished. The company who was stolen from said it was still in testing. Joke's on the consumer, I guess.
At my scandinavian electrician highschool thingy we used to shock each others with the megger. Fun as fuck
They have in fact got it to a fine science, while I was working in an electronics store within five days I had no less than nine Bose radios fail due to faulty power supplies, they were less than a week out of warranty.
Unfortunately it happens on a very frequent basis, greed runs this world
Gotta say that dismantling was so beautifully described, amazing. Real depth of knowledge, I don't think you missed much! And of course so entertaining - as usual. Unique.
"I can't afford to buy harbor freight c batteries"... Uses Energizer lithiums 😂😂😂
That's exactly what he meant.
I feel like I have to clear up a couple things about Cambodian/Canadian Tire. It is not a weirdly named hardware store. It started as purely automotive, hence the name. Now it has three basic categories, Automotive, both parts and service, Recreational/seasonal bullshit, and hardware/housewares; which is why it's a little confusing that you can get sump pumps at a tire store. In Canada if you ask someone where to get camping gear you'll probably end up being sent to Canadian Tire, many first bikes were bought there, same for basic tools, or an oil filter. Now you might say; that sounds like a weird hardware store but even though you can buy paint at Canadian Tire you can't buy wood, screws, or tile there. So if you are actually doing home renos you are going to go to a Home Depot.
GT snow racer=Canadian Tire, Carton o'Smokes=Costco or a buddy on the res, Coleman Stove= Canadian Tire, Dishwasher= Home Depot, K&N Air Filter= Canadian Tire, 72 inch wide screen TV = London Drugs (well probably not but they have 'em).
No I don't work there, I just really like big box stores. My favourite part is waiting 30 minutes for some 16 year old to get off his break and open the fucking locked sliding glass cases which guard the socket sets and bullets. Yes you can buy bullets from Canadian Tire. Pretty clear now, right?
You forgot the Guns and YES you can buy electrical fixtures and wood and machine screws there too.
Sounds like our old Western Auto stores in the states.
For me it goes Can tire
Thanks for clearing that up for his UK (England) Viewers,We don't get Guns,Bullets or anything like that our DIY stores
Don’t forget CTC is also a large retailer of hockey equipment.
It like a journey back in time. This was the first AvE video of yours I watched and I've been a fan ever since.
Another great review. Thanks!
If the winding wasn't burned, I would have turned that shaft down and installed a sleeve. Also, even in spite of the mild steel shaft - had the motor been filled with oil, the shaft corrosion, bearing seizure, and winding damage may have taken many years longer. The older Zoeller pumps had only one shaft seal and with an oil filled motor, they lasted 10s of years.
I would love to hear their "Excuse" for not replacing it. That has to be a load of BS!!!
Might not be nefarious or cost cutting measure. It could be that the original engineer designed it right and then someone else didn't understand what the SS sleeve was for. Another option is that it was designed by an engineer who knows how to pick the very best powder coat, the very best power cable, the very best (and oversized) bearings, the most expensive gaskets, etc but doesn't have an understanding of common failure modes. Perhaps their prototypes were tested continuously--never stopped and started. "Based on our testing and typical user usage rates, this pump will last forever. We should guarantee it for life!"
snower13 Probably tested in nice clean distilled water in the lab, instead of pond muck that a pump like that would see in a real world scenario.
snower13
I'm surprised they kept the made in Germany bearings as usually when the bean counters decide to cost reduce something they start cutting corners everywhere.
They probably know removal of the sleeve would impact the life span under certain conditions but assumed most people would loose the box and receipt.
Serious accusations, someone could actually die from this 'ginger beered to fail'. If the electrical system is not set up to trip, you could end up frying your cobbly bits offs if you come in contact with the water.
Man I gotta give it to you, youre a damn pro. Excellent mechanical engineer and damn outstanding in electronics. Been watching your vids for 2 days and already thinking of donating. Keep it up dude.
Always pick up some useful information while watching this channel. Love the videos, great work.
i would love to see you take some of these products that you have found problems and post hacks to fix them when bought new ! love your posts
years ago I had my automatic transmission rebuilt at a well known chain repair shop. they asked if I wanted to buy an extended lifetime warranty for an additional fee. I said ok. I go pick my car up and tell the clerk that I no longer wanted the warranty. he told that once I accepted it is couldn't back out. I said that if I drove out and came back in would agree. short version, hour later with managers and corporate calls, they relented. why such fuss over paperwork besides extra money. friend of mine worked there and told me that they use vastly superior components in the rebuild when they have the extended warranty. no warranty junk parts, knowing you will get maybe 3 yrs use. with warranty... best parts are used. problem is that they lied to me that day and said warranty or not, they us only the best parts for rebuild. but drove out there paying for only the rebuild, but was told when it breaks don't come back. didn't need to come back car ran great for 6 yrs and sold it
Nicely done.
I listen to your channel while taking things apart in my shed
Love your videos even if half the time they are way over my head. Keep up the good work.
Too cheap to get C-Cells, uses 4 lithium AA batteries instead...
still cheaper than even zinc C batteries.
It is a very annoying trend these days, with pretty much everything, from premium car manufacturers, that mill timing chain sprockets right on to their diesel engine cranks (single part), then use cheap steel to make the timing chain itself, couple that to long life engine oil, and you have an engine that sometimes even fails under warranty, and it is pretty certain to fail sometime soon after that, other car manufacturer decided that lock keys on the crank bearings is no longer a necessity, so they remove them from design, long life oil again, that gets too thin to maintain a film when the engine sits for a few days, and when it is started up, crank just so slightly pulls the bearing insert with itself for a tiny bit, tiny bit by tiny bit, and few tens of thousands km later the oil passage hole in the bearing insert does no longer align with the oil passage in the bearing seat - no oil gets to the crank - engine kaput shortly after, then there are top end brake parts manufacturer that is doing hard anodizing on their racing aluminum parts, you think - hard anodizing much more durable than regular (harder and thicker), will make the part last longer... wrong... I made the same exact part, same exact dimensions, do regular anodizing on it (thinner and softer) and the parts suddenly last up to 2000km (racing application) instead of the originals 1000km - aluminum part is near a very hot steel part - anodizing is flaking off of the aluminum (that will just happen, no way around it), so the hard/thick layer, when it flakes off, immediately creates nearly 0,1mm clearance - which is enough slop for the steel part to start hammer on the aluminum and few braking sessions later than clearance is already 0,2mm and at 0,5 the aluminum part is garbage - this doesn't happen not nearly as fast with the regular/thin/soft anodizing on it... but hey - capitalism moves the world right, only what direction?
that aluminum part I was talking about, cost about as much as 3 of these pumps
perfect sense at the amount of sump pumps we go through at my work now. Thanks for sharing.
Ave, thanks so much for making this video. I had a sump pump which ran beautifully, but exhibited these symptoms. Now I have a good idea why.
I wound up replacing the pump with one from a different manufacturer, and taking the bad pump to the scrap yard along with other scrap metal.
I had to pause when you said Princess Auto so I could look it up, I thought it was a joke...
+AvE I am over here pissin myself. Princess Auto Power Fist 22 in. Impact Resistant Portable Tool Box. LOL
+AvE Lmao POWER FIST! I buy the 5 inch electric grinders when they're on sale for $25 just to see the boys in the shop burn'em up! Get them choochin real nice. If you ever have a chance check out "King Canada" electric grinders from TSC......... I had one for 2 hours before that POS was shooting sparks and smoke before she blew the breaker. Love the the vids!
Started on princess street in Winnipeg .
+AvE Only good if you need something to work once and you need it cheap lol.
+Brandon Sutton
Bought one of them fancy auto-dimming welding helmets about a decade ago at one in Toronto somewhere when I was 18... fuck eh?
LOL, @4:13 "I ain't Dave Jones"
I love how you have an eye for these things... is why I subscribed.
He so much calmer in this earlier videos. I think I like calm AVE more than I like Excited AVE. Maybe even a hybrid with the humour.
Selling pumps with engineered failure with lifetime warranty is not the best strategy for the store.
You believe a lifetime warrenty claim? Call me, i have xome great investment oppertunities for you.
you just stop selling it after a year. just like princess auto did.
Well he wasn't able to return it though, was he?
@Deon Denis "Slippage," is what they call it, according to AvE. Pure profit for the corporations, they figure most people will lose their receipts, forget to send in their registrations, etc.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716
I certainly don't believe you have any grasp of proper spelling.
"Not to worry, I've got a permit"..... 6:41 best part.
Great video. I love working on stuff like this.
+AvE - the stuff on the motor windings is called varnish, the string I have always known as just string, or lacing cord/tape - it's made of nylon or polyester, which is what does the shrinking you mentioned that holds everything in nice and tight. The one you have there looks like it's been coated in lacquer too.
I have worked for many manufacturing and engineering company's during the last 25+ yes and I can honestly say I've never heard of anyone designing a part or assembly to fail.
Sure it often seems like that but the reality is that most equipment have dozens and sometimes even hundred or thousands of components and each component has multiple possible failure modes. Sooner or later one of those dozens/hundreds/thousands of components are going to fail while other components night still have many years of service life remaining.
The fact they used 3 seals instead of 1 or 2 most likely indicates they knew that was the weakest link of the chain and tried to beaf it up, sure they could have changed to a as shaft or even just a ss sleeve, but that might not have been as easy as just using 3 seals, since the as shaft motor might not have been available from their supplier etc.
That's a bunch of bullshit. I have tools and instruments that are over 100 years old working like new but somehow a 12 year old skill saw is completely worn out. Everything is engineered to fail or there are just plain piss poor engineers.
@@TempoDrift1480 you have every single one of those thousands of instruments that were manufactured 100yrs ago and every single one is in perfect condition? Or you have one of the limited few remaining that survived while the other 99% have long since failed and been discarded by others?
My Makita circular saw purchased in 1994 is still going strong 26yrs later. As are every one of my power tools purchased in the mid 90, they've all seen plenty of work and still going strong. The only exception was a cordless drill (NiCad) which when the batteries finally died, it was cheaper to get the new cordless drill with the better Lithium battery technology.
@@russhellmy Just shut up. What do you "engineer" anyway? Plastic baggies to put your toe nails in for later?
@@TempoDrift1480 I have engineered Aerospace components and systems, Automotive components & systems, automation systems, Industrial Processes, Structural Constructions, etc etc. When you've got time to come up out of your Mama's basement I'd be glad to show you.
I watch these videos for your verbal idiosyncrasies.
He is honestly brilliant. Would love to shake this man's hand
He's a genious who got stuck in a shop talking about cocks all day
You could say he is a Cunning Linguist!!
Love the vids man started watching because I am a garage for guy and needed to learn more about pixies and how they work but I am also a welder and metal worker at heart keep up the good work
garage door guy I mean
I never knew what a megger did. Thanks for the tutorial.
Also, funny about Princess Auto, you were exclaiming their wonderful warranty but then got shot down
You don't want to go much above the running voltage with a megger as it could break down the insulation in a good motor.
Jeff Pinter good point. Here motors designed for 240v get tested at 500vdc
Wiring systems on the other hand with tougher insulation get 1000v
***** A distinction between balanced input voltage and voltage to ground should be made. The latter always used to be tested with 2kV here with 230V nominal.
zwz • zdenek Yes, true. Appliances used to get a 2500v to earth 'flash test' (which isn't really checking for insulation resistance, it's checking for clearance distances, although of course poor insulation resistance will cause it to fail that too).
Can't do that really any more, because so many appliances have filters that include capacitors to the earth terminal from the line... they'd be fried
Jeff Pinter If I remember correctly, the standard megger test is done at approx 2x the rated voltage of the device. We have a 480VAC system where I work and motors and such are tested at 1kV.
+Jeff Pinter yeah I thought that was pretty weird; insulation won't be rated that high and you can get arcing through it
I've had Princess Auto explain to me that their official return policy is whatever you can convince the clerk is reasonable. As the customer service is usually staffed by younger females dealing with rude and impatient men all day, I find this greatly to my advantage. Conversations starting with "Hi, you look like you're in a good mood/you've had a rough day, how's your shift going? I like that tattoo/colored hair/piercing/dead look of a wasted youth in your eyes/etc" instead of "The fuckin' garbage I buy here always breaks, empty the goddamn till into my rucksack or I'm going to shit on the counter again" that the poor girlies hear all day seems to be the optimal strategy. Also, clean your junk before you return it. If you so much as sprinkle mud on it it gives the impression it was used as arena flooring at a monster truck rally. No need to keep receipts, it's all on file, and they'll even return things that are so old they don't even have the UPC for it in their system, long as they can tell it's a Superfister product.
I've heard Harbor Freight's return policy ain't actually all that shabby either, but, yeah. Princess Auto is Harbor Freight of the north, with everything double the price for the same quality.
I don't quite understand what's going on in the UberOhm meter. Wouldn't typical enamel or other insulation fail under 10,000v? Wouldn't you be creating punctures that would then continue to be failure points later?
Going to 2x Volts on a typical AC motor is fine for an insulation test so your 500 Volt test was more than enough!
I know, if a little is good, more is better....at some point however Cisco, you actually cause an insulation brakedown! Love your fervor and dedication to your "craft"! You know, in a loose kinda way!
Just found your channel... Am loving it.
Interesting fact about them bearings -- There's a Chinese bearing company called "GERMANY" -- Usually when you see a Chinese domestic manufacturer advertising "GERMANY BEARINGS" in their widgets, they're bearings made by the Chinese "GERMANY" -- Not actually imported from der vaterland.
I don't believe you said how many rippems the shaft will spin at... one of my favorite parts
"I ain't Dave Jones"
That statement made my day.
AvE, you are a jewel in the caustically Canadian crown (royal?).... Please continue.
"Keep your stick on the ice" Got to love The Red & Green Show!
Cambodian Tire? Sounds reliable.
I believe it's actually called Canadian Tyre. It's funny because it's essentially a hardware store but called a tyre store.
RoboticsNShenanigans it's a joke about the fact that Cambodia is a major producer if rubber and and most tyres in the Canadian tyre store are from SE Asia
and the cut rate tool depot is called Princess Auto, Canada has odd naming conventions.
jokkerb no every country has had weird named companys but it's funny that they are successful ha.
Eric Tucker are those parts stores?
You should be a teacher. Really in a sense you are since every time I watch when your videos I learn a ton!!
I remember the "meggers" in the good old days, that were powered by hand-cranked generators.
OMG...if you did this with high end audio equipment which is fraught with snake oil BS, you'd be famous...and hated...and probably targeted...but wow...how much fun that would be, don't get me wrong...love current reviews.
+Chris Popp High end audio stuff reminds me of those fancy monster HDMI cables that are like 50$ and no better than the 3$ plain jane ones they sell in the dollar store
Take a look at my post about an expensive guitar amplifier my son had. NO circuit protection.
EEVblog is your man
@@taon707 There's quality caps and there's audiophile caps.
A wonderful grand review if I do say so myself. Keep the pressure on these bastids. I don't know where you got that federation money but it is a feral offense in the frozen north to posses it. I sure am glad I don't have a basement or I would probably need a ton of those pumps. We are in the land of shallow water table here and I bet I couldn't keep it pumped out. When I was building the fence around the back yard I had to hurry and get the concrete and the post in the hole or it would fill up with water. Thanks for the video.
Love the vidjas man. Very well informed and explained.
Dude, you are obsessed with vocabulary, and I love it!
That's actually brilliant, you didn't think a free replacement warranty came without strings?
Hey Cris, I'd like to have the reveal, meaning a ton of the Lament subs like me would luv for you to tell us all what you do for a living on a the daily that is, let alone a shop tour when you get the H MILL up.
A recent mug shot would be appreciated 🇨🇦
I respect that big time🇨🇦
+StoneGarage LOL, You just described a USAF Machinist. Always coming up with ways to fix very expensive stuff with what we have on hand. Adapting the machinery and tools or making tooling to repair, manufacture or modify parts to keep the aircraft flying, safely. It's a never ending story with the citizens expecting to be protected and the liberals always cutting military budgets to pay for social programs and freebies to those that just want to sit on their Ass.
+EIBBOR2654 you mean the same us military budget that as of 2012 was such a high amount (~$600-650 billion) it surpassed the next 15 highest military spenders combined? im all for having a strong defense force and effective and efficient national security but you have got to be kidding if you think there is no wiggle room in the American military budget.
+EIBBOR2654 Thats bullshit. If its not specifically made or up to spec for that aircraft its not allowed on it. Any aircraft mechanic KNOWS that, and will get fired and probably prosecuted for attempted manslaughter if they put in something that "looks like it". A lot of the accidents happen because of mistakes with airplane parts.
An example: A mechanic was replacing the cockpit window on a commercial airplane. The bolts coming out of it where no longer usable, so he looked through the bolts in stock. He finds bolts that look a lot like it by the eye, and uses those to replace the bolts around the window with those.
Once flying 3 trips further, the window pops out, and the pilot is hanging by his legs in the plane, the copilot calls in the steward who is then trying to hang on to the pilot by his legs. Once landed, the pilot turns out dead.
The bolts? A tiny bit shorter with a slightly different threading... the part-number was like 1 digit different from the original....
So don't come with that kind of remarks when you don't know any about airplane regulations. Same goes for USAF, you think those fighter pilots would want a airplane with iffy parts? They have to depend on it to perform to the full capacity of it, to be able to be combat ready and actually fight out there.
I remember when I worked for a machine shop that made parts for F16's back in 1989, and one of the voids had a piece to be kept in, just barely holding by the surrounding the material there for a final material test to be done on it before acceptance of these parts. So on those parts the material was per piece tested before being allowed to put on.
I remember milling some of those, and a small strip came loose, which was due the folding by the metal (outside shell cast being enclosed into the metal), the part had to be discarded, but it had to be reported, and after that sonar tests had to be done on those parts.... to ensure none of the other ones had the same problem etc. Was a number to produce, and about 5 had to be replaced. From that point on that test was standard.
+DataStorm If you're referring to British Airways flight 5390 the pilot didn't die.
I had a $90 USD Lowe's house brand cast iron housing pump like this that was America made from the late 1990's that lasted about 12 or 13 years before it failed. The problem ended up being the float switch finally corroded inside from swinging in a wet sump basin (the pump was actually tied to a rope and not sitting on the basins bottom). Lowe's at the time sold replacement float switches that only cost $10 or so. By the time that I needed a new switch there were none to be found. Ended up taking the motor apart and all the oil inside was still clean with no water present.
As part of an engineering course I did many years ago, we actually did built in failure strategies for both mechanical and electro/electronic systems. It amazes me that this sort of thing wasn't stopped years ago, but its got to be such a precise science, if frightening how precise they can be with the failure of the products they sell. So it's screw the environment and make sure you keep coming back for a new product as soon as possible.
Dude you should do stand up ,I`d pay :)
Great teardown, loved the vid! But what about the "Lifetime warranty" what happened?
Glad to see intelligence on RUclips most of the time I know exactly what your talking about! The rest of the time I'm laughing so hard I can't pay attention! Love your vids!
i've sold sump/utility pumps for 16 years and only had switch failures and impeller failures. also the submersible pumps [flotec/pentair etc] are all oil filled/cooled. still. good video, thanks
Thought you would have had an old-school, hand-cranked Megger Meter!
Where would he get carbon for the brushes?
Oh - from "C" batteries ...
Germany is half gone... :/
y am I laughing at this
Well sure, after the rape of germany post-ww2 by the russians. Most germans living there today are not german. Most real germans today live in the US because of their ancestors who fled europe to america to escape the war.
Oh GODDAMNIT.
+aslan burnley nope not even remotely true.
Blackbird It is true. How can germany be german if their women were mass-raped by communist victors? Liar...
Ever since seeing your video on battery-less devices, now I know how to make my own plug in bat packs. I am trying to figure out a way to make an adapter for situations like that. I always loved a plug in battery replacer ever since I was a little tike with a gameboy color and they had a bigger battery/plug in accessory to it.
This guy has everything! I want tools now!
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Fry my wife? i dont even have a wife ahhahahaha jokes on yBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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My son, a rock musician, had a large amplifier for his stage work. One day, during a practice session the amp went poof and let the blue smoke out. So I put the head on my electronics bench and broke it down to see if it was repairable. It was a solid state amp with no tubes. What had happened was an insect had made its way onto the circuitboard and got itself wedged into the ac/dc leads of the voltage rectifier and shorted it. Normally this would entail replacing the rectifier and fuse and you'd be good to go. The problem with this particular amp was it had no fuse and no circuit protection whatsoever so the electricities just kept pumping along and set the board on fire. This was a well known amp brand name that cost over $1000.
Love the batteries you chooched in. Max skookum meets max el cheap. $25 worth of lithium batteries with $0.25 of Costco and one router power supply later it’s alive. Lol. Love it! Keep up the good work
I'd take that back to the store and DEMAND they replace it. It's so blatantly obvious it counts as 'unfit for purpose'
Shops only provide a limited warranty, usually the first 30 days or "Out of Box faults". In this case he would have to contact the manufacturer directly. There was probably a lifetime warranty card in the box that has to be filled in and sent to the manufacturer within a month of purchase to make the lifetime warranty valid. Then when the fault arises you have to pack up the unit and ship it back to the manufacturer at your own cost. They assess the fault and determine if it was user error or a genuine fault and then maybe they will send you a replacement.
The cost of the original unit @ 99 Canadian pesos minus the cost of return shipping and the hassle makes these "Lifetime Warranty's" pretty much useless.
oOMonkeyMagicOo Didn't realize that canada follows the US's system of 'screw the customer hard' :(
***** Not speaking as a Canadian or an American or specific to each territories consumer protection laws. Just in general relation to retail outlets that don't have the facilities to take back faulty equipment, and manufacturers practices that make the consumer jump through so many hoops that they are bound to slip up and invalidate the lifetime warranty.
But ultimately all manufacturers and retail outlets are out to get as much moola from a customer as possible and they don't care if you lube up first.
oOMonkeyMagicOo
Just used to the system here in the UK I guess: You buy an item from a retailer, therefore you have a contract ONLY with that retailer. And limitations of warranty are not permitted. The US system was a total shock to me, after a hard drive died after less than 2 months, and the retailer told me to 'take it up with the manufacturer'. I almost called the cops on them
Just as well you didn't, you could have ended up shot or at least tazared and beaten for resisting, unless you have a good murican accent.
yeah it happens in the electronics industry.
EEPROM memory, that's magnetic toroidal memory that comes on little chips and holds up to 1kb for ICs to use as registers, has a working cycle of around 100,000 writes.
It's commonly roumored that through software they can precisely make a component fail by writing to this way more than they need to, like every cycle. When I was first playing with arduino, I made a plotting thermometer that wrote to EEPROM every cycle because I didn't know you could wear it out so easily, the thing died in a week.
But if you happen to just store user input values , you can get away with just reading the value and write on change.. :-)..
"…that's magnetic toroidal memory"
Hm... magnetic toroidal memory is that old time core memory. EEPROM is a completely different technology using floating-gate transistors. They do have a very real lifetime as the insulator degrades with every write/erase cycle.
This is why an ATmega168 (typical chip in an arduino) has a mix of SRAM, Flash, and EEPROM.
yeah, nonvolatile but with destructive readout, cool stuff though :-) I'm going to need to store parameter data on an arduino platform, I'm thinking sdcard or battery backed sram, because there is like 512bytes times 1000 or something like that.. any ideas?..
Johan Strandberg ah yes, I stand corrected, thanks!
***** you can write to the eeprom just fine, a couple thousand cycles if written to once an hour will last years. i was writing several hundred times a second!
But that only stores about 1-2kb. if you want to store more you might want to use a sd card reader or if you get a nodemcu wifi dev board, you can even store your data on a cloud service like thingspeak.com :D
Good detective work. Most likely SAE 1020 or other mild or low-carbon steel, closest to ideal "iron core" for rotation, torque and cheapest, so customer is forced to re-purchase ...
(Super minor root mean square detail: 1000V x sin45 = 707V, 600V is close enough now)
I used to process field returns among other things at a manufacturing facility for food waste disposers. This vajeo brought back memories.
I find it hard to believe a pump that well designed could have had something deliberately designed to failed, why go to the bother of making everything else so bulletproof, but then how'd they miss it? Probably an intern or rookie designer didn't know and whacked it in, or someone at purchasing decided the few cent for a stainless steel sleeve by 1 million wasn't worth it.
+Joshua Nicoll
Eh maybe, the other possibility is the rest is designed not to fail because it has a lifetime warranty.
They want to be certain it doesn't fail until such time as it's unlikely to be returned. If they didn't make other parts good those parts might fail prematurely.
The next possibility is upgrade models. They might have a "super deluxe" model that isn't engineered to fail, pumps a little more water maybe and so it is made better and everything. But they want to be able to make both at the same factory and order the same parts for each as much as possible.
If that housing is also used in a really good pump, it makes sense it might itself be really good.
+Joshua Nicoll - The team lead in a company decided to save 30 cents on an electrical connector ($10,000 product). I recommended against using a connector that was only 20% over-rated, but the young team lead ignored me. There was some concern when they got several back with toasted connectors. Then one burst into flames in some customers office !! They had to do a recall. Poor young guy took it in the shorts for that one.
+Joshua Nicoll perhaps the same company makes more than 1 model, or they revised the design of an existing model, and it was cheaper to keep using the same high quality parts/design everywhere except for the 1 place they engineered for failure
Nah! More like the tolerances were opened up to allow the use of Chinesium parts. I've seen it myself, 2% percent return rate goes upward to 33% due to the Chinese overtaking the market.
So, you going to buy another and sleeve the end, or just buy a better pump?
New pump, the motor and bearings are goosed
viperz888 I think he was asking if he was going to go with another brand/model pump, or get the same one and just fix the part engineered to fail immediately. He will probably just get another model pump, but the other is actually a good idea, you never know what the problem will be with the next, until it fails.
+Big_Adam_2050 the coil is fucked
@@alan-sk7ky I like that one lol
That capacitor circuit allows for reversing rotation too. It is seen in ceiling fans and rotation is determined by which coil gets the capacitor. In this case it gives good starting torque and assures the motor turns in the desired direction...
Thanks for the upload!
Man, knowing that it is designed to fail, it would be a fantastic idea to buy that warranty that they (at least in the states) keep hawking to me every time I try and buy a left-hand turn pipe dethreader. Like I have done with the 12v tire inflator that I have replaced at least 10 times.
I have a similar hatred for the '12v accessory' socket as you do for threaded connections for fluids. Nobody is calling it a cigarette lighter anymore. So why keep the shape when it SUCKS SO BAD for what it does now?
Did you type that on a Dvorak keyboard while watching a movie on Betamax? Compatibility and ubiquity usually trump technical superiority.
***** It already has a lifetime warranty
Yeah? How come AvE couldn't return it?
***** Did he attempt to? I was confused where it cut out with him going to return it and then not doing so.
Yeah, he attempted to return it before he took it apart to see what all went cattywampus with it.
Sorry about your pump! I disagree on what you said about the megger, you shouldn't test more than double the rms voltage with a Megger. Here in NZ we have a 230/400v single/3 phase system. So as everything is only 230 above earth a 500v megger will test it to our wiring standards. 1kv is handy for phase to phase problems but higher than that and you are creating more problems than solving by putting a higher than rated voltage across the insulation.
***** There is a problem in your enamel dielectric strength. Not only do enamel thicknesses vary on overall wire diameter, but windings are also arranged such that the turns near the start and near to the end of a coil never touch. And when they do, like in the Chinese transformers, it becomes an engineered mode of failure!!
I actually came across this same engineered obsolescence in a hot tub pump. Shaft rusted, seal leaks. No sleeve. Divorced pump body and horizontal mounting meant that no water made it into the motor. The fact that the only way of purchasing the $500 water pump is with a free motor (go figure) means I have a perfectly good(ish) 240v 2 speed 5hp motor, with that coveted (by obsolescence engineers and bean counters) service factor of "special", waiting for a home in a future project that will work with a rusty shaft.
too bad that we in canada could 't have a watch dog like this guy that would need to check all equipment out and would tell you when something is engineered to faultier.thank you ...can't stop watching ,your like some good crank....lol
Aboot how much is an "arm and a dick" in US dollars
We talking like black dick, white dick, or tiny Chinese dick?
***** I see... so for the same dick i can get 30% more in Canada... I like those odds ;)
pdoggy10inch there are freaks and liars in every population. Which one are you?
+stizan24 he meant 10 inches around
A lot more bc we dont have Canadian healthcare.
When guessing between incompetence and malicious engineering to fail,
I would pick incompetence - maybe they just didn't predict this failure would happen.
***** Sounds like it. Looks like they took an existing design, cheapened it up a bit, and thats what you get.
In the UK we have these gadgets called "Portable Appliance Testers" that do all the stuff like insulation tests on wall-power stuff. Very handy and only a few hundred squids.
I used to help my friend fixing '80s Fisher & Paykell washing machines for a living. They put a guard in to stop drips from the seal at the bottom of the drum falling into the motor. The drip guard was at exact same height as the control spring for the mechanical emergency brake/stop system, so that the drips would fly onto the spring and start corroding it. Eventually the spring would rust out and snap, usually while the thing was spinning at full chooch, dropping the brake in instantly (its designed to be a gradual process), blowing the fark out of the gearbox, and tearing up the mounts. What could have been solved by a new seal and cleaning up the motor was now an un-salvageable pile of junk.
Their other weak point was contact fouling on the clockwork timer mechanisms. Originally, we could take these apart and clean them up, but then they started making them out of a super brittle fiberglass material, and riveting them together, so that it was EXTREMELY difficult to get one apart without breaking it, let alone cleaning it up and getting back together again.
I know this is a comment on a pretty old video, but engineering to fail just makes me so gosh darned mad, that I had to smash some letter-buttons.
Yep, we do that on purpose, life duty cycle are calculated. The vast majority of people won't try to find the issue because it has a warranty, or simply because ''hell it was 90$'' I won't disclose for which company I work, but in this day and age we need to do this to keep the supply and demand rolling. Its a questionable business model, but in 2015 you can't make money of the parts of your product to repair afterward, hell we don't even sell them since its all outsourced somewhere else. People don't want to pay for a quality product anymore so the answer to that is obviously lower prices at the expense of reliability, trouble is, even then, the profit margin is not huge and not really viable. So if we can sell more units by having the old one broke with no replacement parts readily available, we'll sell another unit. The way we usually do it is design the product as a whole and when we have all the parts completed for prototyping we pick a ''link in the chain'' that we will make weak on purpose, something like a ever so slightly thin seal so it'll leak, but its in the middle f the assembly so impossible to get to, a metal part that will break by fatigue, a wire or connection that will burn up after a said time. I earn my paycheck designing those flaw so yeah... Kinda funny and weird seeing that.
warracer03 it's a shame for those of us that like user serviceable items that the market has gone this way. but it keeps folk in a job so yeah..
Why would they engineer something to fail but give it a lifetime warranty? Does that help them somehow?
The thing about "Lifetime Warranty" is it covers you against manufactures defects. SO basically once you turn it on and use it, as long as the unit operates properly, they have fulfilled their side of the bargain. They also like to throw loop holes in to their policy, like having the original receipt. I have been shopping the Home Depot a lot more often now myself, due to their company wide policy of keeping your shopping receipts in their system for you. It has help me out many times now with returns. I have gotten to the point now that when a store does not offer this sort of "feature" I will shop else where. I am not saying the Home Depot is the best place out there or that what they carry is better then any other place. I just like the convenience and customer service they offer (at least in my local area).
Now I am sure if AVE makes enough "noise" over it, the manufacture would honor their lifetime warranty and replace the unit. However sometimes it is not worth the hassle.
Another approach can be found in the Craftsman tool model. The profit margin is so high that you paid for three already. "Oh, it broke, here's another no trouble" no trouble for them anyway.
Lost Evesy they didn't honor the warranty, so yes it did help as he needed to buy a new pump.
Whenever I'm looking at one of those, I'm already having a bad day.
Live long and pumpster.
Dishwasher's I've fixed same like this design. But luckily heard the bearing fail before the water got to the motor. Used a nice Japan made sealed bearing and cleaned it up. Hope to get another 5 years then replace.
I just always wonder? .. Does anyone else watch AvE's videos for a sense of comfortable, intelligent influence after a day of working with stupid factory fuckheads? ... I do all the time and he restores my faith in humanity.
Me too, but it doesn't restore my faith in «all» of humanity, just most of it.
Yep you right. Now that you mentioned it, a very small portion of humanity actually. Beer takes care of the rest lol.
alcohol can pretty much solve most of your problems considering a random shitstain walks up to you and asks you to chooch into a reverse vaper while your drunk
You don't know how much I learn, laugh and am in ore of you, that should I ever find myself in your neck of the woods... man
your wife and mine will be best of buds'! I know I'll end up in the dog house for the rest of eternety, after she kills me, and that's before we start Uniforcation drinking of said "Canack - 'Stralain" brotherhood goodwill homerligde' ... as for you my fine learnard friend, keep doing what you do. Shmucks like me, Dyslexic to boot and are made to fell that way, well, I'll just say... "Your a F___ing Oresom dude!"
16:23 the name you couldn't remember is eelnaminaled wire, as I guessing you might call it. Love the channel!
Literally lol'ed when you said "that sounded less creepy in my head" lolol
Could you help me with my Megger? Just hold these terminals while I turn the handle.
Viola; "Jolt" Cola ...
I have disassembled a competing pump (Little Giant) and was VERY surprised when about 2 cups of oily liquid came out when I opened it up. (workbench was slathered) After some research, I realized this was special "dielectric" oil which is expensive and hard to source. They fill the inside of the pump-housing to allow thermal transfer to the water being pumped. It also eliminates water-intrusion. ('cuz the housing is already full of liquid)
That was hilarious! I like the old double As trick!!!
Good video had two of those pumps do the exact same thing, got the first warrantied and a no go on the second. so peavey mart got the big F U and i went down to the cambodian tire and bought a mastercrap one and its going on year 2 no problems guessing it has a stainless steel sleeve.