@@thefreshvince879 and some of the content is almost always, unfortunately, lead acetate (yes, they used to use a lead-based sweetener, you can probably gather how that went)
@@Alamyst2011 depends on the wine. I drink everynight I drink 5% ABV seltzers and a bottler of 14% sake. I don't drink the sake cuz Im a weeb I just need a low cal wine in the 14% range to be able to sleep and it's super cheap.
That resulted in many fewer injuries than the time we made our own flint knives in class. (In archaeology, we dispensed with any attempt at drinking games, just went straight to getting wasted.) Also, probably a great way to get good reviews in “Rate my Professor”. Throughly wholesome.
I am at the moment travelling in northern Greece , reading your book and writing this from my sunbed next to the pool literally gazing at mount Olympus.....me and my travel buddy are trying to keep the drinking on an equilibrium with the ancients 😁
Have you heard of the practical joke goblets that were designed to spill the drink of a person who fills it up too high? Those were ingenious little ancient devices.
I love this channel so much. It feels like someone dug into my id and said "yep, we can do that." And then did -- with full scholarly attention to detail.
Never have I seen a box of Franzia consumed so intelligently! Loved this video -- had me chuckling all the way through, especially when it came time to substitute items with contemporary ones. Kottabos will never be the same at my house!
Heroic effort! 😂 I think the ratio was half water though. Crappy red wine will always taste better if decanted for an hour or so. All you were missing, was an already-toasted symposium crasher like Alcibiades, to liven things up. Sharing your couch, complaining about not getting enough attention from Socrates. All things Venus... I'm gonna laugh all day over this one 😂👋. New sub! After a decade of research on 415 bce, I have a few questions. I'm taking it up again after a long hiatus. It's going to be very exciting to see what I may have glossed over 25 yrs ago!
What’s your background in classics? Do you have a good reading list for classics? I’ve read SPQR by Mary beard, The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan, 1177 BC The Year Civilization Collapsed, and lives of Caesars by Suetonius but want to read more books about the classical period by contemporary and classical authors. Also I’ve been here since you had like 3k subscribers it’s great to see your channel growing so quick.
I'm a professional classicist by training (my PhD is in Greek and Roman history). For an extensive reading list - once you're done, of course, with my own book! - I recommend checking out the ancient section of the AskHistorians reading list, which I helped to assemble. Thanks for your commitment to my channel!
@@Sean-y1m I am a life long addict of Roman History. If you have not already listened to Mike Duncan's epic podcast The History of Roman Empire I would think that a very fitting place to start. Mike does an excellent job of mentioning historical authors. Personally I would recommend the Bibliotehca Historia. Diodorus Siculus was a counterpart of Scipio Africanus and he details a great, albeit embellished early history. Livy is a great source but so very much is missing. The Mediations by Emperor Aurelies are also interesting.
@@Sean-y1m its never too late to keep researching. School just prepares you for a life of scholarly pursuit. Lemme tell you mate you can have a wife or you can have science. Just be glad you have science if nothing else.
i honestly think if this channel had higher production quality, it would have more views, but that's not what it's about. its about information first and i cant get enough ancient history. i love stuff like this! keep it up!
"For sensible men, I prepare three kraters: one for health, the second for love and pleasure and the third for sleep. After the third one is drained, wise men go home. The Fourth krater is not mine any more -- it belongs to bad behavior; the fifth is for shouting; the sixth is for rudeness and insults; the seventh is for fights; the eighth is for breaking the furniture; the ninth is for depression; the tenth is for madness and unconsciousness." Dionysos in a play by Eubulus
Jovial times...haha. As for that mixing bowl; hope you will explore a little bit about what, besides water, they mixed into their wine; I refer to the recent explorations on that subject by your fellow classical researcher Brian Muraresku and his remarkable book "the Immortality Key".
Among all gathered for the drinking game, dog included, you Garrett are the Greekest of them all. That eyebrow at 2:27!!… Your much awaited book is supposed to arrive by post in 2 days. Can’t wait! Question: you had a gender-mixed society for your game, but in ancient Greece were women also supposed to attend these drinking games, or was it just for men?
@@toldinstone Thank you for answering, Garrett. So the attendance to the celebration was not as strict as for the Bona Dea in ancient Rome, with that famous incident and the drama concerning Julius Caesar’s wife - whom he divorced as a result… (because she should have been above any suspicion). Famous festivals in ancient Rome might be another interesting topic for a future video.
Man, I want to party with these guys! Planning a reunion for my high school Latin class friends, gives me ideas for some drinking games while we watch I Claudius...
I love the low budget nature of this, how jazzed everyone looks to be there, and also how this seems like a fantastic way to socialize while social distancing.
For the classical Greek period Athens symposium that this recreation draws from, I think that 2 parts water 1 part wine would be considered too undiluted, in my knowledge a 4 to 1 ratio was the norm. However if you have knowledge to the contrary, I'd love to learn.
There was always a range of opinion about the proper proportion (I seem to recall a lengthy discussion in Athenaeus to that effect), but most of the wine at symposia was probably between two-thirds and three-quarters water. I kept the wine at my party a little stronger, since Franzia does not dilute well...
HAHAHAHA! Man! I love this! I'm a fan, first saw your stuff on reddit. Love the stuff you put out there! I ordered your book, too. I'm in academia (sort of, clinical not traditional) myself. Would love if I could get my copy of your book signed. If you're cool with that and have a PO Box or University address, please DM me it. P.S. Costco has Kirkland boxed wine that is actually not terrible. Way better than Franzia.
Glad you enjoyed it! Unfortunately, I don't have a PO box for signing books (I've been encouraging people to buy signed copies from bookstores I've visited) - but I hope to do some sort of bona fide book tour next year. With any luck, I'll be coming to a city near you then!
@@toldinstone Gotcha. I pre-ordered a while back, so didn't follow about the signing. I'll keep an eye out for your tour. May I recommend South Orange County in CA as a stop? 😁
Ha ha, you guys are amazing. But your main problem was that you didn't have solid sediment in the wine, which is *actually* what they would hurl (the dregs) which had a little more weight to them, and therefore a more impact on the Krater. Thanks for all your hard work!
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I hope that wine was classed as a business expense. Purely academic.
Tax write off! 💰 💸
At least in the Athens upper crust
'Symposiums' are classy affairs.
Seeming “uncivilized” for not mixing the wine with water makes a lot more sense in a society where sipping isn’t a thing
they dont drink straight liquor, they gotta have their mixers. i imagine itd be like 65% liquor 35% mixer. straight cocktails
@@thefreshvince879 it's wine?
Wasnt there wine like 160 proof?
@@thefreshvince879 and some of the content is almost always, unfortunately, lead acetate (yes, they used to use a lead-based sweetener, you can probably gather how that went)
@@Alamyst2011 depends on the wine. I drink everynight I drink 5% ABV seltzers and a bottler of 14% sake. I don't drink the sake cuz Im a weeb I just need a low cal wine in the 14% range to be able to sleep and it's super cheap.
*_"OK. DRINK EVERY TIME YOU HEAR SOCRATES SAY SOMETHING WISE."_*
"If I took a shot for every time Diogenes showed up with that chicken of his..."
IT YOU!!!.......GREAT TO SEE A FANBUDDY!!!
Steaming.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol what do you mean that's clearly a human. it's a featherless biped, just like you said
That Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Her: "Where are you going?"
Me: "Why to the Symposium of course!"
Socrates is being interrogated by the police. He says to the detective:
"I'll ask the questions here."
😂😂😂
I see what you did there.
Purportedly, the Gauls would trade two slaves for one box of Franzia wine.
3 goats and a hen would also suffice
A bargain, even at twice that price!
This was a heroic endeavor, worthy of Homer's heroes. I wish I could have partaken.
They do say science is repeatable, and may I say I am feeling downright scientific tonight
That resulted in many fewer injuries than the time we made our own flint knives in class. (In archaeology, we dispensed with any attempt at drinking games, just went straight to getting wasted.) Also, probably a great way to get good reviews in “Rate my Professor”. Throughly wholesome.
I am at the moment travelling in northern Greece , reading your book and writing this from my
sunbed next to the pool literally gazing at mount Olympus.....me and my travel buddy are trying to keep the drinking on an equilibrium with the ancients 😁
I really enjoy watching this channel. It hits the mark perfectly with how humor and accurate historical information are put together.
So close to 100k now! I’m sure you’ll get the chance to improve your Kottabos skills when celebrating the milestone.
I'm not sure how you're able to make a description of pool floaties sound sophisticated but dammit, you do it
thanks for a great chuckle in the middle of the day!
Have you heard of the practical joke goblets that were designed to spill the drink of a person who fills it up too high? Those were ingenious little ancient devices.
The drunkards cup? I had heard that was just a design; have archeologists actually discovered drunkards cups from the period?
@@TOBAPNW_ I'm not sure if it's been found in any archaeological sites, but the Pythagoras Cup is what I'm thinking about.
@@gododoof
Also known as a greedy goblet.
@@carlosspeicywiener7018 like the pot of greed yu gi oh card?!
@@happytofu5 it lets you draw two cards
The dog looks very confused as to why you would waste perfectly good tasting puddle water.
Probably the best and most scholarly presentation on Rome I've ever seen. Well done sir! Thanks! Dave J
Look up the epic Mike Duncan podcast The History of Rome. Probably about 60 hours of pure Roman history told very well.
@@Alamyst2011 Thanks!
Just found your channel last month, keep killing it sir!
I love how much you love antiquity. Keep making the great vids.
This was absolutely brilliant. Got to love the commitment. 👏
I love this channel so much. It feels like someone dug into my id and said "yep, we can do that." And then did -- with full scholarly attention to detail.
A la fois très amusant et très savant. Bravo Garrett!
I love these videos. Your friends are really good sports.
I love your content Garrett, and this recreation you put together was awesome! You’re great, man.
This one''s a banger
How unexpectedly hilarious and as usual, informative! :-)
Just got the book! Can’t wait to read more about their debauchery lol
I am sufficiently delighted and edified.
Never have I seen a box of Franzia consumed so intelligently! Loved this video -- had me chuckling all the way through, especially when it came time to substitute items with contemporary ones. Kottabos will never be the same at my house!
Hands down my favourite chanel
I enjoy the light hearted tone of this one 👍
Now where else can you find information like this on the net ???? Huh ? Nowhere …………..love it
im glad you and your friends had a wonderful evening.
this was a dope learning experience thanks man
Heroic effort! 😂
I think the ratio was half water though. Crappy red wine will always taste better if decanted for an hour or so. All you were missing, was an already-toasted symposium crasher like Alcibiades, to liven things up. Sharing your couch, complaining about not getting enough attention from Socrates. All things Venus...
I'm gonna laugh all day over this one 😂👋.
New sub!
After a decade of research on 415 bce, I have a few questions.
I'm taking it up again after a long hiatus.
It's going to be very exciting to see what I may have glossed over 25 yrs ago!
I had a life in Ancient Greek class today and this was the subject of the day what a coincidence.
Even if it's historical accuracy is suspect, this was pretty wholesome, ngl. Really enjoyed the video!
What’s your background in classics? Do you have a good reading list for classics? I’ve read SPQR by Mary beard, The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan, 1177 BC The Year Civilization Collapsed, and lives of Caesars by Suetonius but want to read more books about the classical period by contemporary and classical authors. Also I’ve been here since you had like 3k subscribers it’s great to see your channel growing so quick.
I'm a professional classicist by training (my PhD is in Greek and Roman history). For an extensive reading list - once you're done, of course, with my own book! - I recommend checking out the ancient section of the AskHistorians reading list, which I helped to assemble.
Thanks for your commitment to my channel!
@@toldinstone thanks for making this great and engaging content! I just graduated college but now I wish I studied the classics.
@@Sean-y1m I am a life long addict of Roman History.
If you have not already listened to Mike Duncan's epic podcast The History of Roman Empire I would think that a very fitting place to start. Mike does an excellent job of mentioning historical authors.
Personally I would recommend the Bibliotehca Historia. Diodorus Siculus was a counterpart of Scipio Africanus and he details a great, albeit embellished early history.
Livy is a great source but so very much is missing.
The Mediations by Emperor Aurelies are also interesting.
@@Sean-y1m its never too late to keep researching. School just prepares you for a life of scholarly pursuit. Lemme tell you mate you can have a wife or you can have science. Just be glad you have science if nothing else.
@@toldinstone I just requested that my local library gets your book and they said they will! I’m excited to read it
Loving that wholesome "farmer tan" at 2:20 😎
This is such a wonderful channel
Yes
i honestly think if this channel had higher production quality, it would have more views, but that's not what it's about. its about information first and i cant get enough ancient history. i love stuff like this! keep it up!
Dude the picture at minute 1:39 is from a book that I remember from my childhood. One of my favourites. I think I still have it somewhere.
"For sensible men, I prepare three kraters: one for health, the second for love and pleasure and the third for sleep. After the third one is drained, wise men go home. The Fourth krater is not mine any more -- it belongs to bad behavior; the fifth is for shouting; the sixth is for rudeness and insults; the seventh is for fights; the eighth is for breaking the furniture; the ninth is for depression; the tenth is for madness and unconsciousness." Dionysos in a play by Eubulus
Use of over the top proper language made this video hilarious! Good show.
That looked like fun! I wanna try that with some friends some time
Been reading the book and enjoying every word!
Jovial times...haha. As for that mixing bowl; hope you will explore a little bit about what, besides water, they mixed into their wine; I refer to the recent explorations on that subject by your fellow classical researcher Brian Muraresku and his remarkable book "the Immortality Key".
Omg...this is hilarious..so glad i found ur channel
This video has such good vibes Gods bless 🙏🙏
Absolutely amazing
my favorite video has now been defined
I love this!
Great stuff
Among all gathered for the drinking game, dog included, you Garrett are the Greekest of them all. That eyebrow at 2:27!!… Your much awaited book is supposed to arrive by post in 2 days. Can’t wait! Question: you had a gender-mixed society for your game, but in ancient Greece were women also supposed to attend these drinking games, or was it just for men?
Very glad to hear it!
Greek symposia were all male, though female entertainers were often involved.
@@toldinstone Thank you for answering, Garrett. So the attendance to the celebration was not as strict as for the Bona Dea in ancient Rome, with that famous incident and the drama concerning Julius Caesar’s wife - whom he divorced as a result… (because she should have been above any suspicion). Famous festivals in ancient Rome might be another interesting topic for a future video.
Heteiras, a class of young courtesans and entertainers, sometimes attended symposia.
😄 Enjoyed that!
That symposium ratio could have been legendary
love this vid
Love this vid.
Epic Doc.
This is awesome
best. video. yet.
Fantasticly made,funny.
Well done👏🏾
I wish all symposia were at least a little more like this. Just me and the boys, some floutists, and watered down wine.
"Stay thirst my friends, for knowledge"
😂
Well...that looks like a lot of fun.
Got to love historical recreations :)
I came for the topic but stayed for the bedsheets
Loved the thumb nail!
This video is so academic i love it
Among everything I learned, I'm quite interested in the fact that I learned the origin of the word, Crater.
Man, I want to party with these guys!
Planning a reunion for my high school Latin class friends, gives me ideas for some drinking games while we watch I Claudius...
You are my favorite historian :)
Oh this is going to be interesting
I love the low budget nature of this, how jazzed everyone looks to be there, and also how this seems like a fantastic way to socialize while social distancing.
Please make a series about ancient Egyptian history :)
For the classical Greek period Athens symposium that this recreation draws from, I think that 2 parts water 1 part wine would be considered too undiluted, in my knowledge a 4 to 1 ratio was the norm. However if you have knowledge to the contrary, I'd love to learn.
There was always a range of opinion about the proper proportion (I seem to recall a lengthy discussion in Athenaeus to that effect), but most of the wine at symposia was probably between two-thirds and three-quarters water. I kept the wine at my party a little stronger, since Franzia does not dilute well...
HAHAHAHA! Man! I love this! I'm a fan, first saw your stuff on reddit. Love the stuff you put out there! I ordered your book, too. I'm in academia (sort of, clinical not traditional) myself. Would love if I could get my copy of your book signed. If you're cool with that and have a PO Box or University address, please DM me it. P.S. Costco has Kirkland boxed wine that is actually not terrible. Way better than Franzia.
Glad you enjoyed it! Unfortunately, I don't have a PO box for signing books (I've been encouraging people to buy signed copies from bookstores I've visited) - but I hope to do some sort of bona fide book tour next year. With any luck, I'll be coming to a city near you then!
@@toldinstone Gotcha. I pre-ordered a while back, so didn't follow about the signing. I'll keep an eye out for your tour. May I recommend South Orange County in CA as a stop? 😁
Ha ha, you guys are amazing. But your main problem was that you didn't have solid sediment in the wine, which is *actually* what they would hurl (the dregs) which had a little more weight to them, and therefore a more impact on the Krater. Thanks for all your hard work!
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I had to give the video a like 🤣
I laughed aloud multiple times throughout this video.
6:02 got a great laugh out of me! 😆
To speak as a priest of Dionysus, I will absolutely be doing this sort of thing
The exact recreation of the ancient wine box was spot on. Lol
Best video on RUclips! 😂
6:03 lmao we resorted to desperate measures
Im not sure what im watching here but was entertaining though thanks now I know some drinking games.
At first I wonder why they water down the wine, then they start throwing the wine.
This thumbnail could 100% be used as an album cover
I gotta say... That was a riot Alice!!
😂😀😭🥂🍷
OMG! I feel like I just went through Ancient Greece with my mouth open!
Drinking glasses of wine depending on how long the name of the host is sounds quite fun.
Ah yes, that best of all ancient Greek cuisine: pizza.
I second this; best thumbnail
all jokes aside, your hostas are lovely!!
Do they have trouble getting light? Or is your house on the south side?
I'm sure finding people willing to work for wine and pizza was pretty easy. Good times.
Now I can't wait for your bacchanalia video
I need to watch this later but lmao. I used to steal Franzia and sneak it into school in water bottles.
like a modern Theseus
My favorite part was the disclaimer AAAAAALLLLL the way at the end lol
Kottabos must've been invented by a wine merchant. 😉