Who Are the Bishops of the Old Faith? - Cult of the Lamb Lore
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What's going on Newborn Nation, Newbornkilik here welcoming you to Who Are the Bishops? - Cult of the Lamb Lore Today we will be looking at the lore in Cult of the Lamn, specifically the bishops and asking where they actually come from. Note that we will only cover Leshy, Heket, Kallamar, and Shamura. We will not be talking much about The One Who Waits, to avoid spoilers.
#cultofthelamb #theory #lore
2:33 well that aged poorly
Yup
Indeed
Precisely
sex
I want to wrote a comment like "Not anymore". XD
interesting lore, its weird out all of them leshy is the chaotic one who is neutral and just leaves your followers alone. interesting
And if there were kids and leshy took all of them, what would he have done with them?
Because Leshy is the Horseman of Chaos officially. He’s the only force that’s neutral unlike Famine, Disease and War which are all directly evil and destructive.
I mean he is my favorite bishop and I knew it had a reason
If you take him in you'll see he's gullible too
The chaotic one is the one that is different from the others, coincidence ? Tbf I dont think it's intentional
Heket is a girl... Leshy says, "Yes, my sister." When Heket tells him to take care of the lamb.
hear me out
@@Macrouck3426WHHAAA
On that note, Shamura is non-binary.
He referred to her in she/her pronouns.
Yeah, when I noticed I was like the one line in the lorax movie, "That's a woman?"
as far as I know, the only reason Leshy doesn't target your followers is because 1. he doesn't have a mechanic directly tied to him that he could inflict, as he is the bishop of chaos (and rebelling cult members is inflicted by Shamura) and 2. he is the first, meaning he would be fought earlier, meaning less followers, meaning that he needs to be more forgiving so the player can progress smoothly
He could probably cause followers to dissent,"sow chaos"
People also think it's because he is chaos what can be annoying it's not something we see as bad like famine, illnesses and war.
Other theory is that Narinder and Leshy don't completely hate eachother, like Leshy doesn't really talk bad about his big brother only that the lamb shouldn't fully trust him. And when the lamb kills Leshy, Narinder is like good job now go kill my other siblings, like no insult for Leshy not info about why he hates his baby brother. He calls Heket cruel and overconfidence (and later toxiclike the musrooms in her realm), says Kallamar a coward and ask the lamb if Shamura cried during the fight (probably because they want to know if they eldest sibling still cares about him) say he kinda pitty them that once they were the smartest of them all but now barely a shadow of themselves. Like besides Shamura, Leshy is the only one he doesn't really talk bad about. When he becomes a follower he just says Leshy is always chaotic like darkwood i want to know if the flowers still bloom now he is gone.
@juliaboskamp9666 That's a fun idea! Unrelated, but I think the cult of the lamb community is one of the most chill communities, able to present differing viewpoints and their own theories without being super snooty. Cheers!
i also thought that due to him being the youngest, he simply wasnt strong enough to afflict followers with a blight like his elder sibling could. also ties in to your 2nd point
I personally like to think that Kallamar is so difficult is because he's so 'desperate' to live, he is so afraid of death and so afraid of The One who Waits, especially referencing when he says "don't send me to him", that he fights twice as hard as the others, doing everything in his power to slay you, delay you, keep you away for another day or 2. The other 3 bishops were either overly confident or very determined, (Leshy/Heket) that they didn't think defeat was possible.
Leshy was youngest and thus inexperienced, so he acted rashly and boldly, thinking he could take you alone for the most part, Heket was older and probably more experienced and so probably learned from Leshy's mistakes. Heket constantly sends in a stream of followers to tie you up, distract you, and even calls in mini bosses to try and aid them.
Shamura, she probably had 'accepted' that there were only 'two' options by the time you face her, either she maintains the chain keeping The One who Waits and keeps on defeating you, or she had to 'hope' that you would defeat The One who Waits, in reference to her line (Five becomes four becomes three becomes two becomes one becomes nothing) as she knew that once you had defeated 'them', having tasted life again, tasted the power of the crown, you might consider turning on The One who Waits since you did all of the work with 'his' powers that he had to 'willingly' give you, as he can't just take them back at any time.
But kalamar, so desperate and terrified, acted like a cornered animal, and a cornered animal with 'nothing' to lose and everything to gain would fight all the harder. He teleports around to use ranged attacks, he viciously and 'religiously' summons minions to attack you, he spams ranged attacks whenever possible, only striking at you in melee if he must, and generally makes the battle as difficult as he can, because again, he's 'desperate' to live, to survive. It's not about keeping him chained, it's about keeping himself from being sent to The One who Waits
Why do you keep writing like 'this' it is very distracting.
you make a good point, but I do want to note Shamura is genderless.
Shamura isn’t a girl, they’re non binary
shamura is canonically nb/has no gender, they arent a she!
He's literally and metaphorically spineless as an invertebrate.
I think leshy leaves your cult alone because back before you killed him I think the bishops thought you were just another vessel and not one made it past leshy so after you kill leshy the bishops get serious
Leshy is Chaos not Conquest. It’s pretty subtle in the game itself although there are clues. The big giveaway though is that beating all the bishops gives you a trophy that is the opposite of what the bishop stands for. Leshy’s trophy is Order proving that he is the Bishop of Chaos. Your point about the other bishops being evil and Leshy isn’t is also a good point as Chaos is neither good nor evil. It simply is. Famine, Disease and War are more outwardly evil things that cause actual harm.
The bird guy that spits out lore from time to time mentions chaos, famine, pestilence, and war.
doesn't someone straight up say "He of Chaos, He of Blight, She of Hunger, They of Might"?
Fun fact when I first saw Kalamar I thought his name was kalamari so I called him that until I got to his temple 🦧🦧💀
lol
they became kalamari
Fun fact: when shamura makes you fight your own followers you can escape lead them to the top left corner of the room and ROLL to the bottom right corner and use your escape abilty you will have just enough time to escape and not mrder your followers
assuming you didn't save the escape power for last.
Bishop info
Leshy:he/him earth worm???
Heket:she/her frog
Kallamar:he/him squid
Shamura:they/them spider
Narinder:he/him kitty cat
Tarded info.
Lack of supportive male figure behavior.
@@The_Menendezyou...you...y-you huwt my feewings!
@@OrangEStan Of course you play gaycha life, also why so salty?
S.A.R.C.A.S.M. sarcasm 😀
Wait Kallamar was supposed to be difficult? I wrecked the shit out of him first try. It made me really *_feel_* the divine power of the game. It also filled me with existential dread about my own inevitable demise. I thought he was supposed to be easy to make you feel strong.
Edit: I feel the need to clarify that this was back at launch, when the game's combat consisted of "get dagger, spam x" and I had the golden fleece.
for me he was the most difficult bishop
Mopped the floor with him with all of my upgraded power ups and a lot of determination for me on my first time in Anchordeep
Nah, I curbstomped him too. Helps that I had TONS of sermon points, so my weapons and curses were disproportionately high level.
Same, i first try all bishop except hekket and died from all those mini frogs, i hate them
Maybe shamura is based on arachne and athena? athena cursed arachne to be a spider and athena is a god of war and wisdom like shamura. So maybe that what shamura is based on. Idk just a theory
Not to mention Athena was born from Zeus' BARE BRAIN, there has to be a connection with it
Holy shit l did not think of that part
That's what I thought too!
A GAME THEORY
i always asked why when we killed the one who waits he become cute but when we killed the bishops they just dont
Their crowns were most likely the source of their eldritch esc boss fight forms and they didn't turn normal again because they were still in direct possession of each of their crowns and were likely still drawing from their power when they died
With the one who waits though he blessed / loaned us his crown to do his bidding and free him so when it comes time fight and kill him he can still call on his own boss fight form but its tied to his own energy levels instead of the red crowns so when he's beaten he cant maintain that form anymore and thus turns into a shell of what he once was aka cute woodland creature cultist Narinder
don't worry we are getting them as cultists in the latest update
don't worry, we can now have them as eternal slaves!
I have them all I find it funny how out out all of them leshy is just the only positive one out of them all... He gullible
Speak for yourself leshy is adorable
Leah’s is supposed to represent the supposed 5th horse men that’s only sparsely mentioned, the bishop of chaos, cause when you no hit him, the achievement you get is order
2:36 Which given the Sins of the Flesh and apparent “Sex Update” per their twitter, that might change.
I think its the way of Heket causing famine while being named after a fertility goddess is fitting
many times within mythology you see those who give things take it away
Demeter goddess of harvest, takes that away in her fury and sorrow
Apollo being a god of healing while also being a bringer of plague as seen in the Odyssey within the Greek camps
Kaali Ma (Hindus tend to call her Kaali Ma as Ma means mother or mother-like) works well as an opposite to Kalimer because Kaali Ma was fearless. She went on rampages slaughtering an incomprendable amount of demons to the point where in indian films its incredibly common for a woman to emulate her traditional facial pose to signify female rage
I M A R R I E D A L L 5 O F T H E M
What-
@@Goobers_United R E P O P U L A T E T H E
L A M B S
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@@Skiizophrenia >:3
You lucky bastard.
We don’t talk about the _fifth_ bishop…
It’s cool how because there’s 5 bishops instead of only giving 4
4 horsemen roles they use plague and conquest. And they make the one who waits represent death because you meet him after you die. And his boss fight takes place in a place that looks like some sort of underworld
why is the lore of the 4 bishops more interesting than anything else in this game? The whole concept of tarot cards is great but nothing beats analyzing these 4 crazy heretics.
Maybe because it's the main lore????
"There are no children in Cult of The Lamb"
Sins of The Flesh update: Hello there.
4:09 and when you get Heket as a follower, she is starved and will ask for food.
I assumed Narinder (The One Who Waits) was a sheep like the player character, he's just shaved of wool as symbol of his imprisonment/defeat by the other bishops/deities, and thus explaining why the one who defeats the other bishops (and frees Narinder) had to be a sheep. When I heard you can recruit him after defeat, I assumed his follower form would get his wool back (maybe brown or black wool), but a cat bishop is good too, so that's 4 important characters that are cats in the game.
Hmm... interesting. It that were the case that may give them closet ties to the lamb as well?
One aspect of things why is narinder the only mammal they could all be groups of animals if you stretch to get Leeshy to be part bird somehow and heket to represent lizards as well but it's a stretch
Maybe they also represent elemental as well
7:05 my theory is he used to be more cocky maybe even the strongest of the 4, but didnt take getting beaten by narinder that well, and is now more cowardly
He is very strong for how cautious he is. I kind of like to think that he's genuinely fighting for his life, much like a cornered animal. They're extremely dangerous
when my wife named Poppy dyed for the second time one of my followers crapped on her LOL
(no children in the game): sins of the flesh allow me to introduce myself
"There are no children"
There are now 👍
Some detail that made me love this game is the fact the developers combined the aspects of a cult and cute fluffy animals. Not going to lie if it was a different art style the bishops would absolutely terrifying and that's what I love about this game.
I subscribed because of the mustache.
went the bown ting on top for Bishops head and some times the body
“No children in the game…
Well that didn’t age well lol
when i hear kallamar, i for some reason think of calamari (aka my favourite food)
Feel like they missed a huge opportunity to make Kallamar into something from Norse or finnic myth. Ocean and water are really influentual in the old tales and myth from that period and area like the Näkki, Kraken, Sjörå and the gods and goddesses from those religions.
Honestly I should play this game for the lore I actually got a crossover with sonic in mind where this was what happened in early agricultural age mobias, the bishops are actually Chips and dark Gaias children/spawn,knuckles tribe wiped out the lambs cult and lamby comes after knuckles both for revenge or demand what they did with Narinder also chip would have mixed feelings not sure about Dark Gaia she I presume has not been socialising much.
I don't know about all countries, but in Ukrainian mythology I think Leshy wasn't a god, but a spirit
Don't know about other countries, maybe it can be different
You have to look at Klu Klux Clan folklore or Fable 2, if not California had Jackie Chan adventures confirmed from Red Lobster area that it’s stupid but it’s real. New York sucks on that doctrine. If King Mickey or Ike in the Pures of Fire emblem are mentioned it gets pissed. It also gets weird in urban talk of RuneScape about Guthix and Qui gon Jin of Star Wars. Guthix is called in some circles the Force but mainly in Bleach communities on poverty area. You have to have a talk with the Equestria of Pure paths called Roy in time travel to see anything real. The blade he had is the sword of Aeons. People love to greed into it. Tensa Zangetsu is too much sought after to theft, if anybody interests in Blade of evils bane they talk to Dwarves or Legolas or Uchiha Madara. Indra will not reveal it in the new life. Tupac might have something revealed at Minimum a level of Soul Caliber hand crafted himself, he owns the NRA, he is Barret in Final Fantasy 7 or Martin Luther King Jr. his Son has a RUclips I believe it’s Platinum Equinox, I’m fighting for their identity in Court, Misa in Death note screams at the Vatican at Band Pop or skull and Bones. George Bush is stupid and Alex Jones is her only solution. Couldn’t do anything about Alex Jones, Found everything correct except supplements, that’s the only error he had. Hard topic still of Aladdin when wishes are stolen. It needs to be shot with a Solar crossbow, Ascensions will get it. Nayru cannot debit this, on Manna only, it’s Din which is Nex Angel of Death which can do this or her witness definitely on power this time. Last time it was not able to. Hylia says something is in the greed to me. Water comforts me about it. I know my folklores inside and out, halfway in games, RuneScape is the most difficult. If you get Dungeoneering cape, too much shit in darkness approaches, Arceus is another one that approaches in time of time strife.
Wow, this was a trip to read.
The only god I can think of for Shamura is Athena, being a knowledgeable god of war. That might be a bit of a reach though. There was also a myth about Arachne involving Athena, but I doubt that has anything to do with Shamura being a spider.
I think Shamura's parallel is the minotaur from greek mythology. Both will kill people for no reason; The minotaur will do ANYTHING to kill people that reach the end of the maze because it's a wild beast while Shamura will force you to murder your own followers simply because she doesn't like you. (BTW having no followers results in a game over. The only exception is the start of the game as your cult hasn't properly formed.)
I always thought they were based of Athena with the god of war and wisdom, them having a head injury and Athena being born from her dad's head and Athena had a story were she turned some woman into a spider
@@juliaboskamp9666 For some reason I feel like you're thinking of Medusa
@@Flypp-k5b there are more victims of Athena the one i was talking abou was Arcanen
Your mustache is beautiful
2:55 the Aztec empire would like to disagree
But what would leshy have done to those kids I wanna know
he is hungry, feed him, feed him now.
Feed him his favorite snack to keep him at bay
@@Frank_Wood this doesn't answer my question
@@Hope23466 he would eat them
@@Frank_Wood I hoping he would take care of them like that Leshy he's based off
the one who waits is cat
Was this game REALLY controversial? Where?
Mostly in some religious groups. Not widely.
i heard you call heket a male prepare for battle
Ahh heck-et
i can see why people might think she's male because her voice is so deep but still prepare
@@SkylarKCtown it's kinda funny that she as the only female sibling and she had the lowest voice of all of them (we don't know Shamura is male or female only that they use they/them pronouns and that their siblings call them Shamura or eldest sibling) Narinder is a close second but Heket's voice is far lower and deeper than his
@@juliaboskamp9666 the reason i think her voice is so deep is because of her throat being slit as it most likely damaged her vocal cords
the red is ♀ Female
Why would it be "weird" sacrificing children? You know its a video game right? They are all pixels, they dont suffer anything.
Wait don’t forget sins of the flesh they Added children
No no no kalamari
Quick thing frog bishop is female
AHAHAHA, you've got 6-6-6 LIKES!
Isn’t Kolamar a female?
Kallamar is male heket is female as show by leshys response with"as you command,dear sister."
@@OrangEStan oh sorry, I have a problem with identifying characters genders.
@@OrangEStan apparently shimora is a they. The cult of the lamb update revealed all the bishops genders
@@mariohoehlein8011 ye...there was once a whole debate over what there gender is
@@OrangEStan I know, I was one of the confused ones. At least we all knew that Leshy was male. And Heket was female.
Henry is a she
Heket
3:10 okay so this is actually described in Shamura's poem:
"He of havoc, he of blight; she of hunger, they of might"
Blight, hunger, and might represent pestilence, famine, and war respectively. I'm pretty sure MassiveMonster just "invented" a new horseman: Chaos. As you mentioned, Leshy is a very chaotic being, and since the standard 4 were already taken, and Conquest is a bit of an iffy one because Pestilence usually *is* Conquest, they made a new one.
Just my interpretation though.
In the new "relics of the old faith" update it was revealed that shamura also was the one who send aym and baal to narinder as they didn't want him to be alone
Huh interesting😊
It's cute, but I also feel bad for the mother of both kittens.
@@YunuelYAHR true
@@YunuelYAHR yeah, especialy because forneus is such a lovely cat.
Spoiler:
You can bring them back to her but that is another hard choice for me since you can't keep them if you do and I like them both.
Forneus seems like the nice lady at the grocery store that calls you honey or sugar.
Those people are the best
what you missed:
nah leshy's horseman is chaos cuz you said "chaos"
heket the only female
kallamar's name was like a seafood of calamares
shamura the only they/them/nonbinary
[do spoil alert] the one who waits chained up because hes greedy and want more power. But attempt failed and injured the bishops before he died to the heaven with two guards known as baal and aym
Is there a horseman of chaos? I thought it was only war, pestilence, famine, and death. Maybe conquest depending on what your going by
@@hadenbarts there is a horseman of chaos (well according to wikipedia)
@@Galaxaria_The_Playzer bruh that’s not from a wiki about the actual horsemen from the Bible, it’s a wiki about a book
@@hadenbarts but some say its a horseman of chaos
@@Galaxaria_The_Playzer dude there is never a hoarse man of chaos referenced in any religious text, now I don’t believe in any religion but for this instance I’m going to call the Bible nonfiction, the book that the wiki is deriving this information from is fictional, and not a part of the Christian canon
Knowing Hekat is a woman makes me worried.
The internet is somehow gonna find a way to make porn of the satanic throatless monster frog.
Edit: also, fun fact, Shamura is non-binary! I actually thought they were referred to as a male by the other Bishops, but no, Shamura is reffered to with They/Them pronouns in the post-game quest added in the "relics of the old faith update".
Also, Apparently, Kallamar is apparently Turkish (originating from Greek) for "Squid", and of course it sounds like "Callimari".
I like how Leshy and Heket have connections to gods in their names, meanwhile Kallamar is just eternally in torment for his name being a play on calamari
About heket I dont wanna know but your probably right this is why I want an apocalypse
You mean the one with a hole in the head is confused about gender? I’m soooooo surprised.
@zerotodona1495 hey dude
That's not cool to be transphobic towards the purple spider 😁 it's cringe
The only proper way to refer to shamura is "That fucker"
Leshy is represented by see no evil and caos hecet is represented by say no evil and famine Kalamar is hear no evil and descocion smaora is think no evil the one who waits is do no evil and death
speak no evil*
8:44 They were also the one who gave Narinder Aym and Baal to keep him company.
Don't yell at me but...
for the longest time I thought leshy was a girl. I have been proved wrong.
And I thought heket was a boy. SHE IS A GIRL.
WHY AM I SO BAD AT TELLING GENDER?
Man can’t believe I have these guys as cult followers now since the new update let me do that
I wouldn't say Heket is an opposite of fertility, with a great population number comes less food for everyone sooo.. I don't know, it could work.
Spoilers to the new update, but this is a bit to reinforce your theory of three of the bishops being the horsemen of the apocalypse
In the new update you're able to kill the gods again and get them as followers, when you get them they are affected by the same effects they affected you with
Heket - Starved, again as famine
Kallamar - Sick, again as sickness/pestilence
Shamura - repents against the cult, again as war
And while getting narinder is in the base game there is a thing that could show his thing being death, as the two that were with him (baal and aym) you can get by doing something then sacrificing a certain follower, which could be death
6:32 but what would he have done to them? And true adding kids would be a good idea but it's up to the developers to decide
No offense but Heket is a she
Heck
@@newbornkilik LOL
Heket is a female actually, and Leshy represents Chaos also Shamura doesnt have a gender
Back here a year later
You said theres no children in the game right?
*There is gonna be children soon in the new update*
Ohh
Sex update means kids wr now in the game
And all bishops other than heket and shumara + maybe kalimar are boys
That thumbnail is crazy
leshy sounds like russian "леший" who is a local spirit of woods
Algorithm aid
Thank you
shamura, while their name bears no similarity, is likely inspired by the ashanti god anansi. anansi doesn’t represent war like shamura does, but he often uses his intelligence and trickery to complete tasks (which connects to shamura’s “think no evil” injury).
btw, i study Slavik mythology and you cannot look directly into Leshis eyes or you will die, whislt other magical creatures turn into stone
3:35 uninstall 'life'? Data associated with this app will be removed from this device.
Old fart here. Quest for Glory 4 also had a Leshy, but this one was a prankish but friendly little forest imp. I say little, but he was mutable; as you chatted, he'd warp around the clearng he lived in, and sometimes he was bigger than you; other times, small as a child.
Unrelated note: Your beard is god tier.
So you know that black cat that gives you followers skins and other stuff i found her one time and she was talking about how she had two kits and that they went away with a god they never came back and she was hoping that they were having fun soooo maybe leshy does abduct kids 🙂
The kids she refers to are actually baal and aym from the one who waits boss fight
his mustache is beautiful
sins of the flesh kids have been ad
I sacrifice and subscribe button, And now I am unable to subscribe. What can I do ?
Actually subscribed. Just felt the joke was needed
I didn't think that one through lol
Leshy = chaos
Heket = famine
Kallamar = sickness
Shamura = war/knowledge
Narinder = death
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There is Actully children in the new 2 player update
Wait don’t forget sins of the flesh they Added children
"Narinder's Game"(ender's game)
Heket isn't a boy though
I already saw the ending on Twitch and you said at the start of the video there might be spoilers. I thought you would go all the way with that.
the fist boss is Bagworm the blue is Squid the other one is Spider last red is Frog